We had WIN-NT SBS 4.5 prior to implementing Vantage but added a second
server running straight NT for Vantage. A lot depends on the size of your
organization and number of clients. SBS, as of last year, now allows a
maximum of 50 users. It also restricts you to one NT domain with the SBS
machine as the primary domain controller. But there are significant cost
benefits for small companies especially for MS-Exchange Server. Speaking of
"server" I would inquire deeply at Epicor about the SBS version of SQL
server being able to handle Vantage in the future running on SQL server
instead of Progress. At the moment I like being able to have Exchange on
one server and devote the other (Netfinity 5500, RAID-mirroring, hot swap
drives, dual power supply) to Vantage. But I can see the day coming where
company growth will force us over 50 users and I am not sure how bad
switching from SBS to NT (probably Win-2000 by then) will be. I suspect I
will need to add a seperate domain for our engineering department to
segregate their CAD traffic on the network and give them their own server.
I am extremely happy with the Netfinity server and will very likely upgrade
to another when we move off of SBS. Another thought - SBS is cheaper up
front but I wonder if there is any migration or upgrade pricing to regular
NT. If you can't get credit for the SBS costs then in the long run it will
be a lot more expensive.
The 486 PCs will have to be upgraded for Vantage. I am having a lot of
trouble with Pentium-75s not allowing Progress Client to be installed. On
some it works and some it does not. The ones with 64MB RAM seem to work
more often so memory may be the key more than CPU but I am sure 486s will
not work. The P-75 systems are agonizingly slow so I bought a bunch of
Celeron 566 systems for $480 each (incl. Win-98 but no monitor or CD) from a
local components supplier to replace our old PCs.
I run several other Aps on the SBS server including the database for ADP PC
Payroll for Windows and sharing several Access .MDB databases. Also Norton
Antivirus Corporate Edition and Veritas BackupExec (SBS version though). So
I don't think the SBS version is very restrictive of other software. Deep
down it is just NT with a license limit. The book from Microsoft Press
"Running BackOffice Small Business Server" states "you'll have a fully
operation NT network" which indicates to me there are no restrictions other
than number of users. Because of the overhead of all the SBS server
products (Exchange, Proxy, SQL, etc...) if you try to run Vantage too I
would get LOTS of extra memory. Our dedicated Vantage server has 512MB so
on a SBS system I would not go with less than 768MB or maybe two 512MB
modules and limp by if one ever fails.
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
From: D. Enderle [mailto:denderle@...
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 6:56 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Small Business Server 4.5 Delimna
My name is Dorothy and I work for a small spring manufacturing job
shop with about 40 nodes. At present, we are still running Classic on
a Novell server. Many of our machines are 486 DOS based PCs. The rest
of them are running Win 95 or 98.
We are in the process of migrating to Vantage 4.0 and in the final
stages of selecting our server. I have almost lived here in the
Vantage E-groups while researching all the possible ways to do this
migration by reading what you have all posted on topics such as RAID
5, yes or no. Windows 2000, yes or no. What we have decided to do is
to go with NT 4 and mirroring, as Epicor does not
currently "formally" support either Windows 2000 or RAID 5.
Now that we are down to the wire in the selection process, another
obstacle has come up and I could use some input from anyone who can
Since the decision to stay with NT 4 has been made, another
alternative for us has come up that I need some input on... whether
or not to go with Microsoft Small Business Server 4.5. It seems to
have many of the features we need both now and within the next few
years for our type of operation.
Does the Vantage software have any problems with MS Small Business
Server? I have had one PC support place not even let me get SBS 4.5
out of my mouth before telling me that I am heading in the wrong
direction and another service center who takes the postion that it
will run fine.
Does purchasing SBS mean that it has to be a server of its own? Can
other apps be installed on the SBS other than MS Office (i.e. 3rd
I can use any tips and suggestions anybody can provide :-)
Mid-West Spring Mfg.
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