Scheduling question

Hi, Jim,
It's just an ideal. The one real machine can be seperated
created as two machines in one work center. For example, CNC(Day
shift) and CNC(Night shift). Hope it's helpful for you!

Marc

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Selinger" <jim@...> wrote:
>
> I need some help on this one. We have two machines which can have
two or more jobs setup at a time. For the most part, we will run
one job on days and one job on nights. I want to be able to
schedule the machines where one job runs on days, while another job
runs at night. Can I do this without adding a workcenter? For lack
of a better term, I want to be able to 'split' the machine.
>
> Please help me out. Thank you all very much.
>
> We are running version 6.10.521.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
We are currently on 5.1 and are beginning to look at using Vantage's
visual scheduling. We currently have about 2 times as many work centers
as employees. My understanding is that this means that Vantage will
allow for scheduling twice the hours that we have available, if we allow
for the same time on all work centers. We would like to keep all work
centers open to max capacity and move people to where they would be
needed throughout the week. Some weeks we use 1 work center and another
week we have no need for it. Is there a way to limit the total hours for
the entire plant? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in
advance

-Dave Schnorr
Minnesota Electric Technology
This all depends how you have your shop setup. Machine shops typically
setup Work Centers as the machines they have available (CNC press,
lather, etc...) and then note the # of machine in the work center. I
run an assembly shop, the only "mahcines" we have are the employees
doing the assembly. Therefore I have a generic Assembly" work center
setup with the # of machine = to the # of employees.

As far as limiting the hours on the work center...you can set that inthe
Scheduling part of Work Center Maintenance (Hrs / Machine / Day).

Hope this helps

Dan Tisone
IS / IT Consultant
dan.tisone@...
(949) 440-3685 x148
Cel (714) 227-4173




-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Schnorr [mailto:daves@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 7:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Scheduling question


We are currently on 5.1 and are beginning to look at using Vantage's
visual scheduling. We currently have about 2 times as many work centers
as employees. My understanding is that this means that Vantage will
allow for scheduling twice the hours that we have available, if we allow
for the same time on all work centers. We would like to keep all work
centers open to max capacity and move people to where they would be
needed throughout the week. Some weeks we use 1 work center and another
week we have no need for it. Is there a way to limit the total hours for
the entire plant? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in
advance

-Dave Schnorr
Minnesota Electric Technology


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Greetings All,

Does anyone on this list utilize the Load Leveling function in Vantage? We're on 5.1 and whenever we use the Load Leveling function it doesn't seem to work as we would expect. Operations are still overlapping or there are time gaps between operations. Just wondering if there are any issues with this function or if perhaps we are not using this feature correctly.

Thanks,

Mike Lowe
Corporate I.S. Manager
Connor Manufacturing Services
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P: (949) 713-3328
Mike,

I am leery of it. I even called Vantage to ask them about it and if it can
be undone if you are not happy with it, to which they replied that they are
unsure. I just end up load leveling myself - manually. Tons of fun, it is.

We are on 5.2.

Regards,

Jim Selinger
Kocsis Bros. Machine Co.
11755 S. Austin Avenue / 4321 Railroad Avenue
Alsip, IL 60803 / East Chicago, IN 46312

Phone: (708) 597-8110
Fax: (708) 389-0792



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Lowe [mailto:MLowe@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:53 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Scheduling question



Greetings All,

Does anyone on this list utilize the Load Leveling function in Vantage?
We're on 5.1 and whenever we use the Load Leveling function it doesn't seem
to work as we would expect. Operations are still overlapping or there are
time gaps between operations. Just wondering if there are any issues with
this function or if perhaps we are not using this feature correctly.

Thanks,

Mike Lowe
Corporate I.S. Manager
Connor Manufacturing Services
MLowe@...
P: (949) 713-3328




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Hi Mike,

If I recall correctly (we are on 6.1) I think it was 6.0- maybe 5.2
that fixed this. I still occasionally have things not come out exactly how
I think it should when load leveling but it is much better. I was not
really able to use it at all in 5.1.

Thanks,

Judy Stauduhar

Production Control Manager

Synovis Interventional Solutions

jstauduhar@... <mailto:jstauduhar@...>





From: Mike Lowe [mailto:MLowe@... <mailto:MLowe@...> ]

Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:53 PM

To: vantage@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Vantage] Scheduling question







Greetings All,



Does anyone on this list utilize the Load Leveling function in Vantage?

We're on 5.1 and whenever we use the Load Leveling function it doesn't seem

to work as we would expect. Operations are still overlapping or there are

time gaps between operations. Just wondering if there are any issues with

this function or if perhaps we are not using this feature correctly.



Thanks,



Mike Lowe

Corporate I.S. Manager

Connor Manufacturing Services

MLowe@...

P: (949) 713-3328





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I need some help on this one. We have two machines which can have two or more jobs setup at a time. For the most part, we will run one job on days and one job on nights. I want to be able to schedule the machines where one job runs on days, while another job runs at night. Can I do this without adding a workcenter? For lack of a better term, I want to be able to 'split' the machine.

Please help me out. Thank you all very much.

We are running version 6.10.521.

Thanks,

Jim


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Anyone have any ideas?

Otherwise, I will have to 'fool' Vantage into thinking one machine is two, by creating another work center. I want to avoid that if I can and am wondering if anyone else has a fix or a thought on this?

Thanks.


Best Regards,

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Jim Selinger

Production Scheduler

Kocsis Bros. Machine Co.

11755 S. Austin Ave.

Alsip, IL 60803

Phone: (708) 597-8110

Fax: (708) 389-0792

jim@...







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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jim Selinger
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:01 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Scheduling question
Importance: High



I need some help on this one. We have two machines which can have two or more jobs setup at a time. For the most part, we will run one job on days and one job on nights. I want to be able to schedule the machines where one job runs on days, while another job runs at night. Can I do this without adding a workcenter? For lack of a better term, I want to be able to 'split' the machine.

Please help me out. Thank you all very much.

We are running version 6.10.521.

Thanks,

Jim

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Jim,
Since no one else has thrown out any ideas, I will suggest one. However, I have never worked on v6, just v8 (with APS).
This might be what you are thinking about (considering the nomenclature differences between 6 and 8) but perhaps consider the same machine as two separate resources, and apply different operating schedules to each. One that works during day hours and one that works night hours.

I wish I had something better.
Carey


To: vantage@yahoogroups.comFrom: jim@...: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:52:13 -0500Subject: RE: [Vantage] Scheduling question




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Try creating a Resource Group (A) to represent your machine that has a two shift calendar capacity defined.

Then create two Resources (A1 & A2) underneath it that have single shift calendar capacities defined (one day, one night).

Make sure you have "number of concurrent operations" set to one.

All that is left to do is to modify your Standard Operation to call for the Resource Group (A) instead of the specific day or night shift Resource.

The Global Rescheduler should then schedule any Engineered Jobs that call for the Standard OP (referencing the Resource Group) into which ever Resource (day shift or night shift) is available.

Because you have "number of concurrent operations" set to one, it should do so without breaking either the day or night shift set up of the machine.

This should work as long as your Jobs are lot sized to consume a single shift's capacity - or if the day/night changeover time is inconsequential and not indicated as a single set up in the MoM OP details.

If you occasionally have Jobs that must run across both day and night shift, the model required to support both conditions starts to get much more complex.

To enable the scheduler to handle the occasional exception of this condition, you will have to create two more resource groups (B & C). The first (B) will be identical to the group (A). The second (C) will be nearly identical to the group (A) described above except you will indicate 2 concurrent Operations are possible.

Under each, create a single Resource (B1 & C1) with 2 shift calendar capacities defined. The difference is, because C & C1 have 2 concurrent Operations enabled, their calendar will have to be set up to represent only 1/2 the true hours of each shift.

One of these Resources (C1) will act as a total capacity limiter and serves no other purpose.

You will now need to modify the Standard OP described above to not only require your original Resource Group (A), but to also require the Resource you have chosen to act as the total capacity (2 shift) limiter (C1).

Continue to use this Standard OP in any MoMs that are for Parts that are always lot sized to complete in a single shift.

Now create a second Standard OP that requires resource group (B) and resource (C1). Use this standard OP in any Part MoMs that are lot sized to run across multiple shifts.

Frankly, all of this complexity would be entirely unnecessary if Vantage simply supported finite Resource Groups (that could then act as overall capacity limiters) and allowed the the number of concurrent OPs to be over-ridden at the MoM level.

This 'design gap', combined with its useless support of forward scheduling (not even up to 1970's standards) makes it one of the weakest finite model schedulers I've seen in 20 years. The level of complexity of the capacity models you need to create (and maintain - forever) in order to trick it into handling what are simple 'real world' finite scheduling conditions is absurd.

But it will work.

Rob Brown
Versa Products



Jim Selinger <jim@...> wrote: Anyone have any ideas?

Otherwise, I will have to 'fool' Vantage into thinking one machine is two, by creating another work center. I want to avoid that if I can and am wondering if anyone else has a fix or a thought on this?

Thanks.


Best Regards,

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

Jim Selinger

Production Scheduler

Kocsis Bros. Machine Co.

11755 S. Austin Ave.

Alsip, IL 60803

Phone: (708) 597-8110

Fax: (708) 389-0792

jim@...

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jim Selinger
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:01 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Scheduling question
Importance: High

I need some help on this one. We have two machines which can have two or more jobs setup at a time. For the most part, we will run one job on days and one job on nights. I want to be able to schedule the machines where one job runs on days, while another job runs at night. Can I do this without adding a workcenter? For lack of a better term, I want to be able to 'split' the machine.

Please help me out. Thank you all very much.

We are running version 6.10.521.

Thanks,

Jim

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Hi,

I don't believe this is possible in Standard v6.1. It maybe possible
through the APS module. As mentioned earlier, v8 standard and APS
will move to a better solution but not perfect.

Sorry, not much help.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Selinger" <jim@...> wrote:
>
> I need some help on this one. We have two machines which can have
two or more jobs setup at a time. For the most part, we will run one
job on days and one job on nights. I want to be able to schedule the
machines where one job runs on days, while another job runs at
night. Can I do this without adding a workcenter? For lack of a
better term, I want to be able to 'split' the machine.
>
> Please help me out. Thank you all very much.
>
> We are running version 6.10.521.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>