Scheduling

we are attempting to use job scheduling and have run into a problem. The operation time to complete the operation is 200 hrs. This does not fit in the overall time frame for the job. Correct the problem, we indicate that two machines (people) will be used for the operation. we expected to see the schedule reflect this by cutting the elapsed operation time by half. we saw no affect?

Is our logic wrong or ????
Thanks
Bob


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Did you change crew size or # of machines?. Changing the number of machines
from 1 to 2 should cut your hours in half. Changing crew size will not.


we are attempting to use job scheduling and have run into a problem. The
operation time to complete the operation is 200 hrs. This does not fit in
the overall time frame for the job. Correct the problem, we indicate that
two machines (people) will be used for the operation. we expected to see the
schedule reflect this by cutting the elapsed operation time by half. we saw
no affect?

Is our logic wrong or ????
Thanks
Bob
We have just switched from a two shift system toonly one
shift .
This has halfed the hours and therefore doubled the no.
of days required to produce a job.
I will need to reschedule all open jobs in order to get
the correct job start date and Material required date.
Is there a way to reschedule all jobs together or will I
need to deal with each one individually?
Sophie
Jill,

You can global finite schedule, but if you are not using finite
scheduling, you can make more of a mess using finite scheduling. I
would bite the bullet and do it one job at a time.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Jill Seath [SMTP:JillSeath@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 6:45 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] Scheduling

We have just switched from a two shift system
toonly one
shift .
This has halfed the hours and therefore doubled
the no.
of days required to produce a job.
I will need to reschedule all open jobs in order
to get
the correct job start date and Material required date.
Is there a way to reschedule all jobs together
or will I
need to deal with each one individually?
Sophie




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Actually, global finite scheduling should work great. This option will
actually globally infinite schedule everything. It will only finite
schedule workcenters that are designated "finite". Try it on your test
database.
Greg Clauser
Lakin General Corporation
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Jill,

You can global finite schedule, but if you are not using finite
scheduling, you can make more of a mess using finite scheduling. I
would bite the bullet and do it one job at a time.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Jill Seath [SMTP:JillSeath@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 6:45 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] Scheduling

We have just switched from a two shift system
toonly one
shift .
This has halfed the hours and therefore doubled
the no.
of days required to produce a job.
I will need to reschedule all open jobs in order
to get
the correct job start date and Material required date.
Is there a way to reschedule all jobs together
or will I
need to deal with each one individually?
Sophie
It should work great, but when we eliminated our partial second shift
our president tried global finite scheduling one Sunday afternoon after
our Epicor consultant told us not to do it. It was a disaster. We
realized that the lead times, queue times, move times we entered in Job
Entry were not conducive to finite scheduling. Since we were not using
finite scheduling we never used the job priority levels since they don't
work unless you are finite scheduling. We did not understand how
certain work centers and operations settings would affect the outcome.
We should have planned and scheduled longer single shift days and some
Saturday overtime on our shop calendar to allow us meet our delivery
commitments until we better understood the total impact of our decision
to eliminate the second shift. We were advised by our consultant and
the former lead Epicor scheduling instructor that a company should
probably not go to finite scheduling during their first two years on the
system. We ended up rescheduling each job and have since been fine
tuning the system so that some day when we go to finite scheduling we
shouldn't have the problems based upon need dates and priorities,
leaving

I agree with Greg that doing it on a test or backup database should be
done first. If you decide to go ahead, do the scheduling on a Thursday
evening so that you can analyze the impact on Friday and be prepared to
work the weekend to work the bugs out before the shop comes back in on
Monday.

Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Clauser [SMTP:gclauser@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 9:09 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Scheduling

Actually, global finite scheduling should work great. This
option will
actually globally infinite schedule everything. It will only
finite
schedule workcenters that are designated "finite". Try it on
your test
database.
Greg Clauser
Lakin General Corporation
gclauser@... <mailto:gclauser@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Wirtz [mailto:SWirtz@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 7:54 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Scheduling


Jill,

You can global finite schedule, but if you are not using finite
scheduling, you can make more of a mess using finite scheduling.
I
would bite the bullet and do it one job at a time.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Jill Seath [SMTP:JillSeath@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 6:45 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] Scheduling

We have just switched from a two shift system
toonly one
shift .
This has halfed the hours and therefore
doubled
the no.
of days required to produce a job.
I will need to reschedule all open jobs in
order
to get
the correct job start date and Material required date.
Is there a way to reschedule all jobs together
or will I
need to deal with each one individually?
Sophie



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I have a big job with with multiple quantities. How do I set the
relationship between 2 successive operations with start-to-start
relationship such that 1 can start 8 hrs after the other. I am
reluctant to use move time because it can be different for different
jobs, and because on some jobs which have finish-to-finsih
relationship there is no move time at all. So i really donot want to
go to workcenter maintenance everytime and keep changing my move
time. Also I am not sure how the system will react when i move a job
using visual scheduling and perform load leveling.Does it calculate
based on what the current setting for the workcente is.

Any suggestions.

Thanks
Venky
Are there any job shop, make-to-order users that are successfully using
Vantage scheduling, that would be willing to give us some opinions off-line?
Please email me at mlooker@....
Thanks,
Mike Looker
Taylor-Pohlman, Inc.
Has anyone successfully used Vantage Scheduling for work centers that can
run multiple parts at the same time? For example, we have a molding line
that can run two jobs at the same time.
Mike,

Vantage schedules jobs on top of each other on work centers with two or more machines. Try adding a 2nd machine to that work center. You may have to 'fool' Vantage somewhat, but it should work. Just make sure your route times are good. Meaning, if your scheduler can keep track of the start and finish time of each job it can be done. Vantage allows you to schedule jobs simultaneously, if you desire. It just makes more work for your planner/ scheduler.

Jim Selinger
formerly of Walco Tool - Lockport, IL



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From: Mike Looker
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:31 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] Scheduling


Has anyone successfully used Vantage Scheduling for work centers that can
run multiple parts at the same time? For example, we have a molding line
that can run two jobs at the same time.



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Can Vantage Scheduling automatically split an order into several future
production runs (to suit customer delivery requests) or do you have to
manually create several jobs?
You have to manually create the separate jobs - annoying, isn't it...
We are in the process of starting the use of the Scheduling module in
Vantage. We are a custom fabrication shop and have a very vague idea of how
it works. Is there any documentation other than the tutorial to help us in
the understanding of how this module works. If anyone uses this module how
well does it work for you and do you have any tips or tricks to help in the
setup/use of this module.

Thanks

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MIS
SteelCraft Industries
519-271-4750



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Hello Gary,
Here are a few things that are not explained clearly.

1) If all Work Centers are infinite and all jobs are Normal priority
(backward schedule) and you run the global scheduler it will not schedule
into the past. It appears to backward schedule all jobs that do not need to
go into the past, it then forward schedules any jobs that would go into the
past. These forward scheduled jobs are then highlighted as late. This is a
good thing! This differs from scheduling a Job from job entry where any job
scheduled backwards will go into the past if it needs to.

2)We have had cases where a Job marked complete still showed up on the
schedule. Closing it removed it from the schedule.

3)On the Job Management Configuration screen "Global Reschedule Started
Operations" indicates whether operations that have been started should be
rescheduled by the global finite scheduling function. This check box also
does a lot more. We had entire jobs that would not reschedule with global
finite scheduling and this checked yes made the problem go away. This had
something to do with the last operation on the job. We also had problems
with the schedule hanging when we ran global finite and with short duration
operations being scheduled longer than required, sometimes ten fold. These
problems also went away when we checked this box.

4)There is no way to finite schedule a single job. Unless you lock all
other jobs and then run the global finite schedule. When you schedule a
single job Vantage treats it like the the only job you have making all
resources available.(infinite scheduled)

5)If your job travelers are document controlled you might want to remove the
date fields. Each time you run the global finite it will reschedule all
jobs unless you have them locked, this will change the date information that
appears on the travelers.

6)Make sure only one person is doing the scheduling!

These are the things that I can remember.

Mark Dupuis

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Wassing [mailto:gwassing@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 2:09 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] Scheduling


We are in the process of starting the use of the Scheduling module in
Vantage. We are a custom fabrication shop and have a very vague idea of
how
it works. Is there any documentation other than the tutorial to help us
in
the understanding of how this module works. If anyone uses this module
how
well does it work for you and do you have any tips or tricks to help in
the
setup/use of this module.

Thanks

--
Gary Wassing
MIS
SteelCraft Industries
519-271-4750



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We attended Epicors Visual Scheduling Class. It was well worth it.

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Wassing [mailto:gwassing@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:09 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] Scheduling


We are in the process of starting the use of the Scheduling module in
Vantage. We are a custom fabrication shop and have a very vague idea of how
it works. Is there any documentation other than the tutorial to help us in
the understanding of how this module works. If anyone uses this module how
well does it work for you and do you have any tips or tricks to help in the
setup/use of this module.

Thanks

--
Gary Wassing
MIS
SteelCraft Industries
519-271-4750



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Does anyone out there use the scheduling module? Have you had any
success with it?
Thanks,
Frank Penksa
Testing the scheduling Module and it appears great. Will attend the
Scheduling Module Class
March 11 & 12th in Chicago.
Ron

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Does anyone out there use the scheduling module? Have you had any
success with it?
Thanks,
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Yes and Yes, anything in particular your concerned about? We went live on it
in 1997 and replaced a magnetic schedule board along with some paper
bulletin board style scheduling boards. Now we schedule with the scheduling
board exclusively and monitor with shop load reports.

Patrick Winter


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Subject: [Vantage] Scheduling

Does anyone out there use the scheduling module? Have you had any success
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Because I am going to this scheduling Class March 11-12....and
because I am not
Live yet....what would you recommend I do to ensure I get the most
from the Class?
Ron

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Yes and Yes, anything in particular your concerned about? We went live on it
in 1997 and replaced a magnetic schedule board along with some paper
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board exclusively and monitor with shop load reports.

Patrick Winter


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Subject: [Vantage] Scheduling

Does anyone out there use the scheduling module? Have you had any success
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Thanks,
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I'm not sure exactly how you want to use and setup vantage but some of the
choices are:

To make every piece of equipment a workcenter or use machines and work
centers or both.
Create Jobs from the part file or directly from quotes or both.
What operation rates are you going to use fixed hours, pieces per hour,
etc....
What are the work center settings such as number of machines, Hrs per day,
machines per operation, move and queue times?

Example:
In a training database, Before your class try to create a part in the part
file, add some operations, keep it simple such as using 8 setup hours and 8
fixed run hours per operation. Set the work centers for 1 machine, 8 hours,
and 1 machine per operation. Create a job then copy the part routing to it.
Back schedule and look at the results in job tracker and on the schedule
board for each work center. Next add in MOVE and QUEUE times on the work
centers of 16 hours and 32 hours. Back schedule and review again. Change the
crew size for production or setup then do the process again. This is the
basic mechanics for scheduling, from this base calculation you will simply
add more calculations such and changing from fixed hours to pieces per hour,
scrap, etc...

From there you will look at rearranging the schedule with finite scheduling,
load leveling, what if scheduling or advanced scheduling. Also the fields
for costing for jobs and quotes but save that for the costing class.

If you grasp the basic calculations for forward and backward scheduling you
should be well ahead of the curve for your class.


Patrick Winter


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Because I am going to this scheduling Class March 11-12....and
because I am not
Live yet....what would you recommend I do to ensure I get the most
from the Class?
Ron

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Patrick Winter


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Subject: [Vantage] Scheduling

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Thanks,
Frank Penksa



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