Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05

system · October 21, 2010, 1:27pm

Good DayNick:

APM - Advanced Print Module - best if on 32-bit. There waa
talk of a fix in 601A, but may be buggy.

Some people say Web-Portal, but most say it is OK on 64-bit.

len.hartka@...

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robinson, Nick
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:04 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05

What modules still require 32 bit? Has to be the application server?

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Len Hartka
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05

Good Day:

Sun Is on M2K 7.0 SP 5 (Informix) but,
Going to: Epicor 9, 9.05.601A SQL (go live date is 12/1/10)

Below is what we used. 55-65 users - we think it will handle 75-80.
there were some minor changes.
Servers were Dell with two Nehalem Quad processors - faster then four
Quad of other type.
Even with all that, system is slow, but the problem is not the core
speed, but the Interface to the Workstation and the 'configuration' of
pages. MRP = 6 or 12 hours depending on if run with 3 MRP-Processes,
45-60 seconds for programs to open ( the first time each day), etc.

I wanted SSD's, but 18 months ago they did cost $50,000, but now I would
believe $4,000 to 8,000.
BUT, SSD's are only really fast I one direction ( read?) - the speed
differential is no where near the same for write.
To test, play with a USB ( same technology) - write much slower then
read. By the way, there are USB's that are 30% faster then most.

Spindles, Spindles, spindles - that is all we heard from everyone and
yes it is not for storage but for speed since each spindle can be
processing at once.

Watch out for 32 vs 64 bit - some modules still must be 32.
Also, watch out for OS - can limit how much memory you can USE ( no fit,
but use).

len.hartka@... <mailto:len.hartka%40sunautomation.com>
<mailto:len.hartka%40sunautomation.com>

*************************************************
Apps Server - (2-146) RAID1-OS, OS
24G ( 2 -146) RAID1 , Epicor 9 Application
(1-146) hot spare

SQL - (2-73GB) Raid1, OS and SQL app
48G (4-73GB) Raid 10 Temp-db
(1-73) hot spare

Disc Array - (10-73GB) RAID10, Data-MDF
(12-73GB) RAID10, Log-LDF
(2-73GB) hot Spare

Misc app\Virtualized: (3 -300GB) RAID 5 1. Web Server w/4 cores, 8 gig
memory win 2008 64bit Enterprise
24G (1-300GB) hot spare 2. Crystal reports, APM, Mgnt Reporter w/2 cores
4 gig mem win 2003 32 bit Std ( Add SQL std??)
3. E Portal w/2 cores 4 gig mem win 2008 64 bit Enterprise ( Add SQL
std??)

Redundant Server: (3-300GB)- RAID5
24G (1-300GB) hot Spare
*************************************************************

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Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05

Thanks for making my point but where do you get your more money
equivalency? One of the fastest SSD's available is from Crucial and a
128 GB drive is $469. In your proposed 4 drive array the cost would be
$1876. Then there are the savings from reduced chassis, power supply,
thermal management, etc. In practical application you can build a 1U
server with a handful of SSD's for under $4000 that will absolutely blow
the doors off of a $15,000 mega chassis multi spindle monster.

Regards,

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Jose Gomez wrote:

> I would respectfully disagree with Michael, the reason for 16 drives
> is not about storage its all about performance. RAID 10 with 16 drives

> would give you the best performance for you database unless u want to
> spend more money and get SSD's which would provide a huge performance
boost.
>
> Here is an example
>
> 16 SCSI Drive Raid 10: 1200-1600 IO/S
> 4 SSD Drives Raid 10: 50,000+ IO/S
>
> There is your performance ;-)
>
> Sincerely
> Jose C Gomez
>
> http://www.josecgomez.com
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Michael Barry <mbarry@...
<mailto:mbarry%40aspacia.com>
<mailto:mbarry%40aspacia.com> > wrote:
>
> > There are only two scenario where this recommendation isn't pure
lunacy.
> > First, your database would have to be absolutely enormous - on the
> > order of hundreds of gigabytes to require that much physical
> > storage. Second would be attempting to improve application
> > performance by striping the I/O across multiple spindles and/or
> > controllers. If you are really the former then you are talking way
> > beyond the average PC/server market and would need to be looking at
> > enterprise class hardware from IBM/SUN/HP/Fujitsu, etc because
> > sixteen drives worth of throughput will absolutely overwhelm a
> > typical PC/Server backplane. If it is for performance, then a
handful of strategically arrayed SSD's will blow the flotilla of
magnetic drives away.
> >
> > Either way, your goofy appraisal seems spot on....
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > Michael Barry
> > Aspacia Systems Inc
> > 866.566.9600
> > 312.803.0730 fax
> > http://www.aspacia.com/
> >
> > On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PLAMAN, DICK wrote:
> >
> > > My "hardware requirements" documents specifies that the server
> > > should
> > have 16 SIXTEEN drives??
> > > This seems a little goofy to me.
> > > Is this correct? We have between 50 - 60 full users.
> > > thanks
> > >
> > >
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system · October 19, 2010, 10:42am

My "hardware requirements" documents specifies that the server should have 16 SIXTEEN drives??
This seems a little goofy to me.
Is this correct? We have between 50 - 60 full users.
thanks

system · October 19, 2010, 12:55pm

There are only two scenario where this recommendation isn't pure lunacy. First, your database would have to be absolutely enormous - on the order of hundreds of gigabytes to require that much physical storage. Second would be attempting to improve application performance by striping the I/O across multiple spindles and/or controllers. If you are really the former then you are talking way beyond the average PC/server market and would need to be looking at enterprise class hardware from IBM/SUN/HP/Fujitsu, etc because sixteen drives worth of throughput will absolutely overwhelm a typical PC/Server backplane. If it is for performance, then a handful of strategically arrayed SSD's will blow the flotilla of magnetic drives away.

Either way, your goofy appraisal seems spot on....

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PLAMAN, DICK wrote:

> My "hardware requirements" documents specifies that the server should have 16 SIXTEEN drives??
> This seems a little goofy to me.
> Is this correct? We have between 50 - 60 full users.
> thanks
>
>

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system · October 19, 2010, 2:17pm

I would respectfully disagree with Michael, the reason for 16 drives is not
about storage its all about performance. RAID 10 with 16 drives would give
you the best performance for you database unless u want to spend more money
and get SSD's which would provide a huge performance boost.

Here is an example

16 SCSI Drive Raid 10: 1200-1600 IO/S
4 SSD Drives Raid 10: 50,000+ IO/S

There is your performance ;-)

Sincerely
Jose C Gomez

http://www.josecgomez.com

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Michael Barry <mbarry@...> wrote:

> There are only two scenario where this recommendation isn't pure lunacy.
> First, your database would have to be absolutely enormous - on the order of
> hundreds of gigabytes to require that much physical storage. Second would
> be attempting to improve application performance by striping the I/O across
> multiple spindles and/or controllers. If you are really the former then you
> are talking way beyond the average PC/server market and would need to be
> looking at enterprise class hardware from IBM/SUN/HP/Fujitsu, etc because
> sixteen drives worth of throughput will absolutely overwhelm a typical
> PC/Server backplane. If it is for performance, then a handful of
> strategically arrayed SSD's will blow the flotilla of magnetic drives away.
>
> Either way, your goofy appraisal seems spot on....
>
> Michael
>
> Michael Barry
> Aspacia Systems Inc
> 866.566.9600
> 312.803.0730 fax
> http://www.aspacia.com/
>
> On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PLAMAN, DICK wrote:
>
> > My "hardware requirements" documents specifies that the server should
> have 16 SIXTEEN drives??
> > This seems a little goofy to me.
> > Is this correct? We have between 50 - 60 full users.
> > thanks
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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system · October 19, 2010, 3:37pm

Thanks for making my point but where do you get your more money equivalency? One of the fastest SSD's available is from Crucial and a 128 GB drive is $469. In your proposed 4 drive array the cost would be $1876. Then there are the savings from reduced chassis, power supply, thermal management, etc. In practical application you can build a 1U server with a handful of SSD's for under $4000 that will absolutely blow the doors off of a $15,000 mega chassis multi spindle monster.

Regards,

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Jose Gomez wrote:

> I would respectfully disagree with Michael, the reason for 16 drives is not
> about storage its all about performance. RAID 10 with 16 drives would give
> you the best performance for you database unless u want to spend more money
> and get SSD's which would provide a huge performance boost.
>
> Here is an example
>
> 16 SCSI Drive Raid 10: 1200-1600 IO/S
> 4 SSD Drives Raid 10: 50,000+ IO/S
>
> There is your performance ;-)
>
> Sincerely
> Jose C Gomez
>
> http://www.josecgomez.com
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Michael Barry <mbarry@...> wrote:
>
> > There are only two scenario where this recommendation isn't pure lunacy.
> > First, your database would have to be absolutely enormous - on the order of
> > hundreds of gigabytes to require that much physical storage. Second would
> > be attempting to improve application performance by striping the I/O across
> > multiple spindles and/or controllers. If you are really the former then you
> > are talking way beyond the average PC/server market and would need to be
> > looking at enterprise class hardware from IBM/SUN/HP/Fujitsu, etc because
> > sixteen drives worth of throughput will absolutely overwhelm a typical
> > PC/Server backplane. If it is for performance, then a handful of
> > strategically arrayed SSD's will blow the flotilla of magnetic drives away.
> >
> > Either way, your goofy appraisal seems spot on....
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > Michael Barry
> > Aspacia Systems Inc
> > 866.566.9600
> > 312.803.0730 fax
> > http://www.aspacia.com/
> >
> > On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PLAMAN, DICK wrote:
> >
> > > My "hardware requirements" documents specifies that the server should
> > have 16 SIXTEEN drives??
> > > This seems a little goofy to me.
> > > Is this correct? We have between 50 - 60 full users.
> > > thanks
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
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> > already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> > Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> > (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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system · October 19, 2010, 4:40pm

Good Day:

Sun Is on M2K 7.0 SP 5 (Informix) but,
Going to: Epicor 9, 9.05.601A SQL (go live date is 12/1/10)

Below is what we used. 55-65 users - we think it will handle 75-80. there were some minor changes.
Servers were Dell with two Nehalem Quad processors - faster then four Quad of other type.
Even with all that, system is slow, but the problem is not the core speed, but the Interface to the Workstation and the 'configuration' of pages. MRP = 6 or 12 hours depending on if run with 3 MRP-Processes, 45-60 seconds for programs to open ( the first time each day), etc.

I wanted SSD's, but 18 months ago they did cost $50,000, but now I would believe $4,000 to 8,000.
BUT, SSD's are only really fast I one direction ( read?) - the speed differential is no where near the same for write.
To test, play with a USB ( same technology) - write much slower then read. By the way, there are USB's that are 30% faster then most.

Spindles, Spindles, spindles - that is all we heard from everyone and yes it is not for storage but for speed since each spindle can be processing at once.

Watch out for 32 vs 64 bit - some modules still must be 32.
Also, watch out for OS - can limit how much memory you can USE ( no fit, but use).

len.hartka@...

*************************************************
Apps Server - (2-146) RAID1-OS, OS
24G ( 2 -146) RAID1 , Epicor 9 Application
(1-146) hot spare

SQL - (2-73GB) Raid1, OS and SQL app
48G (4-73GB) Raid 10 Temp-db
(1-73) hot spare

Disc Array - (10-73GB) RAID10, Data-MDF
(12-73GB) RAID10, Log-LDF
(2-73GB) hot Spare

Misc app\Virtualized: (3 -300GB) RAID 5 1. Web Server w/4 cores, 8 gig memory win 2008 64bit Enterprise
24G (1-300GB) hot spare 2. Crystal reports, APM, Mgnt Reporter w/2 cores 4 gig mem win 2003 32 bit Std ( Add SQL std??)
3. E Portal w/2 cores 4 gig mem win 2008 64 bit Enterprise ( Add SQL std??)

Redundant Server: (3-300GB)- RAID5
24G (1-300GB) hot Spare
*************************************************************

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:30 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05

Thanks for making my point but where do you get your more money equivalency? One of the fastest SSD's available is from Crucial and a 128 GB drive is $469. In your proposed 4 drive array the cost would be $1876. Then there are the savings from reduced chassis, power supply, thermal management, etc. In practical application you can build a 1U server with a handful of SSD's for under $4000 that will absolutely blow the doors off of a $15,000 mega chassis multi spindle monster.

Regards,

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Jose Gomez wrote:

> I would respectfully disagree with Michael, the reason for 16 drives
> is not about storage its all about performance. RAID 10 with 16 drives
> would give you the best performance for you database unless u want to
> spend more money and get SSD's which would provide a huge performance boost.
>
> Here is an example
>
> 16 SCSI Drive Raid 10: 1200-1600 IO/S
> 4 SSD Drives Raid 10: 50,000+ IO/S
>
> There is your performance ;-)
>
> Sincerely
> Jose C Gomez
>
> http://www.josecgomez.com
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Michael Barry <mbarry@...> wrote:
>
> > There are only two scenario where this recommendation isn't pure lunacy.
> > First, your database would have to be absolutely enormous - on the
> > order of hundreds of gigabytes to require that much physical
> > storage. Second would be attempting to improve application
> > performance by striping the I/O across multiple spindles and/or
> > controllers. If you are really the former then you are talking way
> > beyond the average PC/server market and would need to be looking at
> > enterprise class hardware from IBM/SUN/HP/Fujitsu, etc because
> > sixteen drives worth of throughput will absolutely overwhelm a
> > typical PC/Server backplane. If it is for performance, then a handful of strategically arrayed SSD's will blow the flotilla of magnetic drives away.
> >
> > Either way, your goofy appraisal seems spot on....
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > Michael Barry
> > Aspacia Systems Inc
> > 866.566.9600
> > 312.803.0730 fax
> > http://www.aspacia.com/
> >
> > On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PLAMAN, DICK wrote:
> >
> > > My "hardware requirements" documents specifies that the server
> > > should
> > have 16 SIXTEEN drives??
> > > This seems a little goofy to me.
> > > Is this correct? We have between 50 - 60 full users.
> > > thanks
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
> > must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
> > access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
> > Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> > (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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system · October 19, 2010, 4:56pm

The 'limitations' of SSD write speed are mostly nullified by the nature of a
database workload. Although traditional drives can keep up (and occasionally
surpass) SSD in sequential write performance, databases loads are almost
exclusively composed of random read/write requests. Because of this, the
massive advantage in seek time causes the SSDs to provide far better
'real-world' performance. Also, the difference in read/write on modern SSDs
in nowhere near as dramatic as what you see in a common USB thumb drive. The
reasons are a bit beyond me, but I believe it has a lot to do with caching,
write leveling and more sophisticated firmware.

This is quickly becoming a moot point though, as the newer SSD are quickly
approaching (if they haven't already) the same sequential write performance
you see in high-end SCSI drives.

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Len Hartka <len.hartka@...>wrote:

>
>
> Good Day:
>
> Sun Is on M2K 7.0 SP 5 (Informix) but,
> Going to: Epicor 9, 9.05.601A SQL (go live date is 12/1/10)
>
> Below is what we used. 55-65 users - we think it will handle 75-80. there
> were some minor changes.
> Servers were Dell with two Nehalem Quad processors - faster then four Quad
> of other type.
> Even with all that, system is slow, but the problem is not the core speed,
> but the Interface to the Workstation and the 'configuration' of pages. MRP =
> 6 or 12 hours depending on if run with 3 MRP-Processes, 45-60 seconds for
> programs to open ( the first time each day), etc.
>
> I wanted SSD's, but 18 months ago they did cost $50,000, but now I would
> believe $4,000 to 8,000.
> BUT, SSD's are only really fast I one direction ( read?) - the speed
> differential is no where near the same for write.
> To test, play with a USB ( same technology) - write much slower then read.
> By the way, there are USB's that are 30% faster then most.
>
> Spindles, Spindles, spindles - that is all we heard from everyone and yes
> it is not for storage but for speed since each spindle can be processing at
> once.
>
> Watch out for 32 vs 64 bit - some modules still must be 32.
> Also, watch out for OS - can limit how much memory you can USE ( no fit,
> but use).
>
> len.hartka@... <len.hartka%40sunautomation.com>
>
>
>
> *************************************************
> Apps Server - (2-146) RAID1-OS, OS
> 24G ( 2 -146) RAID1 , Epicor 9 Application
> (1-146) hot spare
>
> SQL - (2-73GB) Raid1, OS and SQL app
> 48G (4-73GB) Raid 10 Temp-db
> (1-73) hot spare
>
> Disc Array - (10-73GB) RAID10, Data-MDF
> (12-73GB) RAID10, Log-LDF
> (2-73GB) hot Spare
>
> Misc app\Virtualized: (3 -300GB) RAID 5 1. Web Server w/4 cores, 8 gig
> memory win 2008 64bit Enterprise
> 24G (1-300GB) hot spare 2. Crystal reports, APM, Mgnt Reporter w/2 cores 4
> gig mem win 2003 32 bit Std ( Add SQL std??)
> 3. E Portal w/2 cores 4 gig mem win 2008 64 bit Enterprise ( Add SQL std??)
>
> Redundant Server: (3-300GB)- RAID5
> 24G (1-300GB) hot Spare
> *************************************************************
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Michael
> Barry
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:30 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05
>
> Thanks for making my point but where do you get your more money
> equivalency? One of the fastest SSD's available is from Crucial and a 128 GB
> drive is $469. In your proposed 4 drive array the cost would be $1876. Then
> there are the savings from reduced chassis, power supply, thermal
> management, etc. In practical application you can build a 1U server with a
> handful of SSD's for under $4000 that will absolutely blow the doors off of
> a $15,000 mega chassis multi spindle monster.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael
>
> Michael Barry
> Aspacia Systems Inc
> 866.566.9600
> 312.803.0730 fax
> http://www.aspacia.com/
>
> On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Jose Gomez wrote:
>
> > I would respectfully disagree with Michael, the reason for 16 drives
> > is not about storage its all about performance. RAID 10 with 16 drives
> > would give you the best performance for you database unless u want to
> > spend more money and get SSD's which would provide a huge performance
> boost.
> >
> > Here is an example
> >
> > 16 SCSI Drive Raid 10: 1200-1600 IO/S
> > 4 SSD Drives Raid 10: 50,000+ IO/S
> >
> > There is your performance ;-)
> >
> > Sincerely
> > Jose C Gomez
> >
> > http://www.josecgomez.com
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Michael Barry <mbarry@...<mbarry%40aspacia.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > > There are only two scenario where this recommendation isn't pure
> lunacy.
> > > First, your database would have to be absolutely enormous - on the
> > > order of hundreds of gigabytes to require that much physical
> > > storage. Second would be attempting to improve application
> > > performance by striping the I/O across multiple spindles and/or
> > > controllers. If you are really the former then you are talking way
> > > beyond the average PC/server market and would need to be looking at
> > > enterprise class hardware from IBM/SUN/HP/Fujitsu, etc because
> > > sixteen drives worth of throughput will absolutely overwhelm a
> > > typical PC/Server backplane. If it is for performance, then a handful
> of strategically arrayed SSD's will blow the flotilla of magnetic drives
> away.
> > >
> > > Either way, your goofy appraisal seems spot on....
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > Michael Barry
> > > Aspacia Systems Inc
> > > 866.566.9600
> > > 312.803.0730 fax
> > > http://www.aspacia.com/
> > >
> > > On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PLAMAN, DICK wrote:
> > >
> > > > My "hardware requirements" documents specifies that the server
> > > > should
> > > have 16 SIXTEEN drives??
> > > > This seems a little goofy to me.
> > > > Is this correct? We have between 50 - 60 full users.
> > > > thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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system · October 21, 2010, 9:01am

What modules still require 32 bit? Has to be the application server?

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Len Hartka
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05

Good Day:

Sun Is on M2K 7.0 SP 5 (Informix) but,
Going to: Epicor 9, 9.05.601A SQL (go live date is 12/1/10)

Below is what we used. 55-65 users - we think it will handle 75-80.
there were some minor changes.
Servers were Dell with two Nehalem Quad processors - faster then four
Quad of other type.
Even with all that, system is slow, but the problem is not the core
speed, but the Interface to the Workstation and the 'configuration' of
pages. MRP = 6 or 12 hours depending on if run with 3 MRP-Processes,
45-60 seconds for programs to open ( the first time each day), etc.

I wanted SSD's, but 18 months ago they did cost $50,000, but now I would
believe $4,000 to 8,000.
BUT, SSD's are only really fast I one direction ( read?) - the speed
differential is no where near the same for write.
To test, play with a USB ( same technology) - write much slower then
read. By the way, there are USB's that are 30% faster then most.

Spindles, Spindles, spindles - that is all we heard from everyone and
yes it is not for storage but for speed since each spindle can be
processing at once.

Watch out for 32 vs 64 bit - some modules still must be 32.
Also, watch out for OS - can limit how much memory you can USE ( no fit,
but use).

len.hartka@... <mailto:len.hartka%40sunautomation.com>

*************************************************
Apps Server - (2-146) RAID1-OS, OS
24G ( 2 -146) RAID1 , Epicor 9 Application
(1-146) hot spare

SQL - (2-73GB) Raid1, OS and SQL app
48G (4-73GB) Raid 10 Temp-db
(1-73) hot spare

Disc Array - (10-73GB) RAID10, Data-MDF
(12-73GB) RAID10, Log-LDF
(2-73GB) hot Spare

Misc app\Virtualized: (3 -300GB) RAID 5 1. Web Server w/4 cores, 8 gig
memory win 2008 64bit Enterprise
24G (1-300GB) hot spare 2. Crystal reports, APM, Mgnt Reporter w/2 cores
4 gig mem win 2003 32 bit Std ( Add SQL std??)
3. E Portal w/2 cores 4 gig mem win 2008 64 bit Enterprise ( Add SQL
std??)

Redundant Server: (3-300GB)- RAID5
24G (1-300GB) hot Spare
*************************************************************

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:30 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05

Thanks for making my point but where do you get your more money
equivalency? One of the fastest SSD's available is from Crucial and a
128 GB drive is $469. In your proposed 4 drive array the cost would be
$1876. Then there are the savings from reduced chassis, power supply,
thermal management, etc. In practical application you can build a 1U
server with a handful of SSD's for under $4000 that will absolutely blow
the doors off of a $15,000 mega chassis multi spindle monster.

Regards,

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Jose Gomez wrote:

> I would respectfully disagree with Michael, the reason for 16 drives
> is not about storage its all about performance. RAID 10 with 16 drives

> would give you the best performance for you database unless u want to
> spend more money and get SSD's which would provide a huge performance
boost.
>
> Here is an example
>
> 16 SCSI Drive Raid 10: 1200-1600 IO/S
> 4 SSD Drives Raid 10: 50,000+ IO/S
>
> There is your performance ;-)
>
> Sincerely
> Jose C Gomez
>
> http://www.josecgomez.com
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Michael Barry <mbarry@...
<mailto:mbarry%40aspacia.com> > wrote:
>
> > There are only two scenario where this recommendation isn't pure
lunacy.
> > First, your database would have to be absolutely enormous - on the
> > order of hundreds of gigabytes to require that much physical
> > storage. Second would be attempting to improve application
> > performance by striping the I/O across multiple spindles and/or
> > controllers. If you are really the former then you are talking way
> > beyond the average PC/server market and would need to be looking at
> > enterprise class hardware from IBM/SUN/HP/Fujitsu, etc because
> > sixteen drives worth of throughput will absolutely overwhelm a
> > typical PC/Server backplane. If it is for performance, then a
handful of strategically arrayed SSD's will blow the flotilla of
magnetic drives away.
> >
> > Either way, your goofy appraisal seems spot on....
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > Michael Barry
> > Aspacia Systems Inc
> > 866.566.9600
> > 312.803.0730 fax
> > http://www.aspacia.com/
> >
> > On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PLAMAN, DICK wrote:
> >
> > > My "hardware requirements" documents specifies that the server
> > > should
> > have 16 SIXTEEN drives??
> > > This seems a little goofy to me.
> > > Is this correct? We have between 50 - 60 full users.
> > > thanks
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
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> > must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
> > access. )
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> > Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
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system · October 21, 2010, 9:35am

To the best of my knowledge, none of the 'core' modules require 32-bit.
The documentation mentions an administrative console that requires 32-bit,
but I'm not sure what it is. I know both the 'Epicor Admin Console' and the
'Open Edge Explorer' function fine in 64-bit environments.

Perhaps some of the 3rd party software?

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Robinson, Nick <
nick.robinson@...> wrote:

>
>
> What modules still require 32 bit? Has to be the application server?
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> Of Len Hartka
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05
>
>
> Good Day:
>
> Sun Is on M2K 7.0 SP 5 (Informix) but,
> Going to: Epicor 9, 9.05.601A SQL (go live date is 12/1/10)
>
> Below is what we used. 55-65 users - we think it will handle 75-80.
> there were some minor changes.
> Servers were Dell with two Nehalem Quad processors - faster then four
> Quad of other type.
> Even with all that, system is slow, but the problem is not the core
> speed, but the Interface to the Workstation and the 'configuration' of
> pages. MRP = 6 or 12 hours depending on if run with 3 MRP-Processes,
> 45-60 seconds for programs to open ( the first time each day), etc.
>
> I wanted SSD's, but 18 months ago they did cost $50,000, but now I would
> believe $4,000 to 8,000.
> BUT, SSD's are only really fast I one direction ( read?) - the speed
> differential is no where near the same for write.
> To test, play with a USB ( same technology) - write much slower then
> read. By the way, there are USB's that are 30% faster then most.
>
> Spindles, Spindles, spindles - that is all we heard from everyone and
> yes it is not for storage but for speed since each spindle can be
> processing at once.
>
> Watch out for 32 vs 64 bit - some modules still must be 32.
> Also, watch out for OS - can limit how much memory you can USE ( no fit,
> but use).
>
> len.hartka@... <len.hartka%40sunautomation.com> <mailto:
> len.hartka%40sunautomation.com <len.hartka%2540sunautomation.com>>
>
> *************************************************
> Apps Server - (2-146) RAID1-OS, OS
> 24G ( 2 -146) RAID1 , Epicor 9 Application
> (1-146) hot spare
>
> SQL - (2-73GB) Raid1, OS and SQL app
> 48G (4-73GB) Raid 10 Temp-db
> (1-73) hot spare
>
> Disc Array - (10-73GB) RAID10, Data-MDF
> (12-73GB) RAID10, Log-LDF
> (2-73GB) hot Spare
>
> Misc app\Virtualized: (3 -300GB) RAID 5 1. Web Server w/4 cores, 8 gig
> memory win 2008 64bit Enterprise
> 24G (1-300GB) hot spare 2. Crystal reports, APM, Mgnt Reporter w/2 cores
> 4 gig mem win 2003 32 bit Std ( Add SQL std??)
> 3. E Portal w/2 cores 4 gig mem win 2008 64 bit Enterprise ( Add SQL
> std??)
>
> Redundant Server: (3-300GB)- RAID5
> 24G (1-300GB) hot Spare
> *************************************************************
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>> ] On
> Behalf Of Michael Barry
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:30 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05
>
> Thanks for making my point but where do you get your more money
> equivalency? One of the fastest SSD's available is from Crucial and a
> 128 GB drive is $469. In your proposed 4 drive array the cost would be
> $1876. Then there are the savings from reduced chassis, power supply,
> thermal management, etc. In practical application you can build a 1U
> server with a handful of SSD's for under $4000 that will absolutely blow
> the doors off of a $15,000 mega chassis multi spindle monster.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael
>
> Michael Barry
> Aspacia Systems Inc
> 866.566.9600
> 312.803.0730 fax
> http://www.aspacia.com/
>
> On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Jose Gomez wrote:
>
> > I would respectfully disagree with Michael, the reason for 16 drives
> > is not about storage its all about performance. RAID 10 with 16 drives
>
> > would give you the best performance for you database unless u want to
> > spend more money and get SSD's which would provide a huge performance
> boost.
> >
> > Here is an example
> >
> > 16 SCSI Drive Raid 10: 1200-1600 IO/S
> > 4 SSD Drives Raid 10: 50,000+ IO/S
> >
> > There is your performance ;-)
> >
> > Sincerely
> > Jose C Gomez
> >
> > http://www.josecgomez.com
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Michael Barry <mbarry@...<mbarry%40aspacia.com>
> <mailto:mbarry%40aspacia.com <mbarry%2540aspacia.com>> > wrote:
> >
> > > There are only two scenario where this recommendation isn't pure
> lunacy.
> > > First, your database would have to be absolutely enormous - on the
> > > order of hundreds of gigabytes to require that much physical
> > > storage. Second would be attempting to improve application
> > > performance by striping the I/O across multiple spindles and/or
> > > controllers. If you are really the former then you are talking way
> > > beyond the average PC/server market and would need to be looking at
> > > enterprise class hardware from IBM/SUN/HP/Fujitsu, etc because
> > > sixteen drives worth of throughput will absolutely overwhelm a
> > > typical PC/Server backplane. If it is for performance, then a
> handful of strategically arrayed SSD's will blow the flotilla of
> magnetic drives away.
> > >
> > > Either way, your goofy appraisal seems spot on....
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > Michael Barry
> > > Aspacia Systems Inc
> > > 866.566.9600
> > > 312.803.0730 fax
> > > http://www.aspacia.com/
> > >
> > > On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PLAMAN, DICK wrote:
> > >
> > > > My "hardware requirements" documents specifies that the server
> > > > should
> > > have 16 SIXTEEN drives??
> > > > This seems a little goofy to me.
> > > > Is this correct? We have between 50 - 60 full users.
> > > > thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
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system · October 21, 2010, 9:48am

Progress Explorer doesn't work in 64 Bit...or Vista/2008 and higher I
believe.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Waffqle Driggers
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:36 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05

To the best of my knowledge, none of the 'core' modules require 32-bit.
The documentation mentions an administrative console that requires
32-bit, but I'm not sure what it is. I know both the 'Epicor Admin
Console' and the 'Open Edge Explorer' function fine in 64-bit
environments.

Perhaps some of the 3rd party software?

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Robinson, Nick <
nick.robinson@...> wrote:

>
>
> What modules still require 32 bit? Has to be the application server?
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Len
> Hartka
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05
>
>
> Good Day:
>
> Sun Is on M2K 7.0 SP 5 (Informix) but, Going to: Epicor 9, 9.05.601A
> SQL (go live date is 12/1/10)
>
> Below is what we used. 55-65 users - we think it will handle 75-80.
> there were some minor changes.
> Servers were Dell with two Nehalem Quad processors - faster then four
> Quad of other type.
> Even with all that, system is slow, but the problem is not the core
> speed, but the Interface to the Workstation and the 'configuration' of

> pages. MRP = 6 or 12 hours depending on if run with 3 MRP-Processes,
> 45-60 seconds for programs to open ( the first time each day), etc.
>
> I wanted SSD's, but 18 months ago they did cost $50,000, but now I
> would believe $4,000 to 8,000.
> BUT, SSD's are only really fast I one direction ( read?) - the speed
> differential is no where near the same for write.
> To test, play with a USB ( same technology) - write much slower then
> read. By the way, there are USB's that are 30% faster then most.
>
> Spindles, Spindles, spindles - that is all we heard from everyone and
> yes it is not for storage but for speed since each spindle can be
> processing at once.
>
> Watch out for 32 vs 64 bit - some modules still must be 32.
> Also, watch out for OS - can limit how much memory you can USE ( no
> fit, but use).
>
> len.hartka@... <len.hartka%40sunautomation.com> <mailto:
> len.hartka%40sunautomation.com <len.hartka%2540sunautomation.com>>
>
> *************************************************
> Apps Server - (2-146) RAID1-OS, OS
> 24G ( 2 -146) RAID1 , Epicor 9 Application
> (1-146) hot spare
>
> SQL - (2-73GB) Raid1, OS and SQL app
> 48G (4-73GB) Raid 10 Temp-db
> (1-73) hot spare
>
> Disc Array - (10-73GB) RAID10, Data-MDF
> (12-73GB) RAID10, Log-LDF
> (2-73GB) hot Spare
>
> Misc app\Virtualized: (3 -300GB) RAID 5 1. Web Server w/4 cores, 8 gig

> memory win 2008 64bit Enterprise 24G (1-300GB) hot spare 2. Crystal
> reports, APM, Mgnt Reporter w/2 cores
> 4 gig mem win 2003 32 bit Std ( Add SQL std??) 3. E Portal w/2 cores 4

> gig mem win 2008 64 bit Enterprise ( Add SQL
> std??)
>
> Redundant Server: (3-300GB)- RAID5
> 24G (1-300GB) hot Spare
> *************************************************************
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>> ] On Behalf
> Of Michael Barry
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:30 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05
>
> Thanks for making my point but where do you get your more money
> equivalency? One of the fastest SSD's available is from Crucial and a
> 128 GB drive is $469. In your proposed 4 drive array the cost would be

> $1876. Then there are the savings from reduced chassis, power supply,
> thermal management, etc. In practical application you can build a 1U
> server with a handful of SSD's for under $4000 that will absolutely
> blow the doors off of a $15,000 mega chassis multi spindle monster.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael
>
> Michael Barry
> Aspacia Systems Inc
> 866.566.9600
> 312.803.0730 fax
> http://www.aspacia.com/
>
> On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Jose Gomez wrote:
>
> > I would respectfully disagree with Michael, the reason for 16 drives

> > is not about storage its all about performance. RAID 10 with 16
> > drives
>
> > would give you the best performance for you database unless u want
> > to spend more money and get SSD's which would provide a huge
> > performance
> boost.
> >
> > Here is an example
> >
> > 16 SCSI Drive Raid 10: 1200-1600 IO/S
> > 4 SSD Drives Raid 10: 50,000+ IO/S
> >
> > There is your performance ;-)
> >
> > Sincerely
> > Jose C Gomez
> >
> > http://www.josecgomez.com
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Michael Barry
> > <mbarry@...<mbarry%40aspacia.com>
> <mailto:mbarry%40aspacia.com <mbarry%2540aspacia.com>> > wrote:
> >
> > > There are only two scenario where this recommendation isn't pure
> lunacy.
> > > First, your database would have to be absolutely enormous - on the

> > > order of hundreds of gigabytes to require that much physical
> > > storage. Second would be attempting to improve application
> > > performance by striping the I/O across multiple spindles and/or
> > > controllers. If you are really the former then you are talking way

> > > beyond the average PC/server market and would need to be looking
> > > at enterprise class hardware from IBM/SUN/HP/Fujitsu, etc because
> > > sixteen drives worth of throughput will absolutely overwhelm a
> > > typical PC/Server backplane. If it is for performance, then a
> handful of strategically arrayed SSD's will blow the flotilla of
> magnetic drives away.
> > >
> > > Either way, your goofy appraisal seems spot on....
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > Michael Barry
> > > Aspacia Systems Inc
> > > 866.566.9600
> > > 312.803.0730 fax
> > > http://www.aspacia.com/
> > >
> > > On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PLAMAN, DICK wrote:
> > >
> > > > My "hardware requirements" documents specifies that the server
> > > > should
> > > have 16 SIXTEEN drives??
> > > > This seems a little goofy to me.
> > > > Is this correct? We have between 50 - 60 full users.
> > > > thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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system · October 21, 2010, 9:54am

Epicor has a registry edit that will get PE to work on 64-bit 2008 servers.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Joe Rojas <jrojas@...> wrote:
>
> Progress Explorer doesn't work in 64 Bit...or Vista/2008 and higher I
> believe.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Rojas | Director of Information Technology | Mats Inc
> dir: 781-573-0291 | cell: 781-408-9278 | fax: 781-232-5191
> jrojas@... | www.matsinc.com Ask us about our clean, green and beautiful matting and flooring
>
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Waffqle Driggers
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:36 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05
>
> To the best of my knowledge, none of the 'core' modules require 32-bit.
> The documentation mentions an administrative console that requires
> 32-bit, but I'm not sure what it is. I know both the 'Epicor Admin
> Console' and the 'Open Edge Explorer' function fine in 64-bit
> environments.
>
> Perhaps some of the 3rd party software?
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Robinson, Nick <
> nick.robinson@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > What modules still require 32 bit? Has to be the application server?
> >
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> > vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Len
> > Hartka
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05
> >
> >
> > Good Day:
> >
> > Sun Is on M2K 7.0 SP 5 (Informix) but, Going to: Epicor 9, 9.05.601A
> > SQL (go live date is 12/1/10)
> >
> > Below is what we used. 55-65 users - we think it will handle 75-80.
> > there were some minor changes.
> > Servers were Dell with two Nehalem Quad processors - faster then four
> > Quad of other type.
> > Even with all that, system is slow, but the problem is not the core
> > speed, but the Interface to the Workstation and the 'configuration' of
>
> > pages. MRP = 6 or 12 hours depending on if run with 3 MRP-Processes,
> > 45-60 seconds for programs to open ( the first time each day), etc.
> >
> > I wanted SSD's, but 18 months ago they did cost $50,000, but now I
> > would believe $4,000 to 8,000.
> > BUT, SSD's are only really fast I one direction ( read?) - the speed
> > differential is no where near the same for write.
> > To test, play with a USB ( same technology) - write much slower then
> > read. By the way, there are USB's that are 30% faster then most.
> >
> > Spindles, Spindles, spindles - that is all we heard from everyone and
> > yes it is not for storage but for speed since each spindle can be
> > processing at once.
> >
> > Watch out for 32 vs 64 bit - some modules still must be 32.
> > Also, watch out for OS - can limit how much memory you can USE ( no
> > fit, but use).
> >
> > len.hartka@... <len.hartka%40sunautomation.com> <mailto:
> > len.hartka%40sunautomation.com <len.hartka%2540sunautomation.com>>
> >
> > *************************************************
> > Apps Server - (2-146) RAID1-OS, OS
> > 24G ( 2 -146) RAID1 , Epicor 9 Application
> > (1-146) hot spare
> >
> > SQL - (2-73GB) Raid1, OS and SQL app
> > 48G (4-73GB) Raid 10 Temp-db
> > (1-73) hot spare
> >
> > Disc Array - (10-73GB) RAID10, Data-MDF
> > (12-73GB) RAID10, Log-LDF
> > (2-73GB) hot Spare
> >
> > Misc app\Virtualized: (3 -300GB) RAID 5 1. Web Server w/4 cores, 8 gig
>
> > memory win 2008 64bit Enterprise 24G (1-300GB) hot spare 2. Crystal
> > reports, APM, Mgnt Reporter w/2 cores
> > 4 gig mem win 2003 32 bit Std ( Add SQL std??) 3. E Portal w/2 cores 4
>
> > gig mem win 2008 64 bit Enterprise ( Add SQL
> > std??)
> >
> > Redundant Server: (3-300GB)- RAID5
> > 24G (1-300GB) hot Spare
> > *************************************************************
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> > vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> > vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>> ] On Behalf
> > Of Michael Barry
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:30 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> > vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05
> >
> > Thanks for making my point but where do you get your more money
> > equivalency? One of the fastest SSD's available is from Crucial and a
> > 128 GB drive is $469. In your proposed 4 drive array the cost would be
>
> > $1876. Then there are the savings from reduced chassis, power supply,
> > thermal management, etc. In practical application you can build a 1U
> > server with a handful of SSD's for under $4000 that will absolutely
> > blow the doors off of a $15,000 mega chassis multi spindle monster.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > Michael Barry
> > Aspacia Systems Inc
> > 866.566.9600
> > 312.803.0730 fax
> > http://www.aspacia.com/
> >
> > On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Jose Gomez wrote:
> >
> > > I would respectfully disagree with Michael, the reason for 16 drives
>
> > > is not about storage its all about performance. RAID 10 with 16
> > > drives
> >
> > > would give you the best performance for you database unless u want
> > > to spend more money and get SSD's which would provide a huge
> > > performance
> > boost.
> > >
> > > Here is an example
> > >
> > > 16 SCSI Drive Raid 10: 1200-1600 IO/S
> > > 4 SSD Drives Raid 10: 50,000+ IO/S
> > >
> > > There is your performance ;-)
> > >
> > > Sincerely
> > > Jose C Gomez
> > >
> > > http://www.josecgomez.com
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Michael Barry
> > > <mbarry@...<mbarry%40aspacia.com>
> > <mailto:mbarry%40aspacia.com <mbarry%2540aspacia.com>> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > There are only two scenario where this recommendation isn't pure
> > lunacy.
> > > > First, your database would have to be absolutely enormous - on the
>
> > > > order of hundreds of gigabytes to require that much physical
> > > > storage. Second would be attempting to improve application
> > > > performance by striping the I/O across multiple spindles and/or
> > > > controllers. If you are really the former then you are talking way
>
> > > > beyond the average PC/server market and would need to be looking
> > > > at enterprise class hardware from IBM/SUN/HP/Fujitsu, etc because
> > > > sixteen drives worth of throughput will absolutely overwhelm a
> > > > typical PC/Server backplane. If it is for performance, then a
> > handful of strategically arrayed SSD's will blow the flotilla of
> > magnetic drives away.
> > > >
> > > > Either way, your goofy appraisal seems spot on....
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > Michael Barry
> > > > Aspacia Systems Inc
> > > > 866.566.9600
> > > > 312.803.0730 fax
> > > > http://www.aspacia.com/
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PLAMAN, DICK wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My "hardware requirements" documents specifies that the server
> > > > > should
> > > > have 16 SIXTEEN drives??
> > > > > This seems a little goofy to me.
> > > > > Is this correct? We have between 50 - 60 full users.
> > > > > thanks
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
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> > > > must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to
> > > > enable access. )
> > > > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
> > > > Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> > > > (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> > > > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
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> > )
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> > and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
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system · October 21, 2010, 9:56am

The new OpenEdge Explorer that replaces it works fine.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:54 AM, mattcald_73 <matt@...> wrote:

>
>
> Epicor has a registry edit that will get PE to work on 64-bit 2008 servers.
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, Joe Rojas
> <jrojas@...> wrote:
> >
> > Progress Explorer doesn't work in 64 Bit...or Vista/2008 and higher I
> > believe.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Rojas | Director of Information Technology | Mats Inc
> > dir: 781-573-0291 | cell: 781-408-9278 | fax: 781-232-5191
> > jrojas@... | www.matsinc.com Ask us about our clean, green and beautiful
> matting and flooring
>
> >
> >
> > This message is intended only for the individual named. If you are not
> the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this
> e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received
> this e-mail by mistake. Please note that any views or opinions presented in
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> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> > Of Waffqle Driggers
> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:36 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05
> >
> > To the best of my knowledge, none of the 'core' modules require 32-bit.
> > The documentation mentions an administrative console that requires
> > 32-bit, but I'm not sure what it is. I know both the 'Epicor Admin
> > Console' and the 'Open Edge Explorer' function fine in 64-bit
> > environments.
> >
> > Perhaps some of the 3rd party software?
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Robinson, Nick <
> > nick.robinson@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > What modules still require 32 bit? Has to be the application server?
> > >
> > >
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> > > vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Len
> > > Hartka
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05
> > >
> > >
> > > Good Day:
> > >
> > > Sun Is on M2K 7.0 SP 5 (Informix) but, Going to: Epicor 9, 9.05.601A
> > > SQL (go live date is 12/1/10)
> > >
> > > Below is what we used. 55-65 users - we think it will handle 75-80.
> > > there were some minor changes.
> > > Servers were Dell with two Nehalem Quad processors - faster then four
> > > Quad of other type.
> > > Even with all that, system is slow, but the problem is not the core
> > > speed, but the Interface to the Workstation and the 'configuration' of
> >
> > > pages. MRP = 6 or 12 hours depending on if run with 3 MRP-Processes,
> > > 45-60 seconds for programs to open ( the first time each day), etc.
> > >
> > > I wanted SSD's, but 18 months ago they did cost $50,000, but now I
> > > would believe $4,000 to 8,000.
> > > BUT, SSD's are only really fast I one direction ( read?) - the speed
> > > differential is no where near the same for write.
> > > To test, play with a USB ( same technology) - write much slower then
> > > read. By the way, there are USB's that are 30% faster then most.
> > >
> > > Spindles, Spindles, spindles - that is all we heard from everyone and
> > > yes it is not for storage but for speed since each spindle can be
> > > processing at once.
> > >
> > > Watch out for 32 vs 64 bit - some modules still must be 32.
> > > Also, watch out for OS - can limit how much memory you can USE ( no
> > > fit, but use).
> > >
> > > len.hartka@... <len.hartka%40sunautomation.com> <mailto:
>
> > > len.hartka%40sunautomation.com <len.hartka%2540sunautomation.com>>
> > >
> > > *************************************************
> > > Apps Server - (2-146) RAID1-OS, OS
> > > 24G ( 2 -146) RAID1 , Epicor 9 Application
> > > (1-146) hot spare
> > >
> > > SQL - (2-73GB) Raid1, OS and SQL app
> > > 48G (4-73GB) Raid 10 Temp-db
> > > (1-73) hot spare
> > >
> > > Disc Array - (10-73GB) RAID10, Data-MDF
> > > (12-73GB) RAID10, Log-LDF
> > > (2-73GB) hot Spare
> > >
> > > Misc app\Virtualized: (3 -300GB) RAID 5 1. Web Server w/4 cores, 8 gig
> >
> > > memory win 2008 64bit Enterprise 24G (1-300GB) hot spare 2. Crystal
> > > reports, APM, Mgnt Reporter w/2 cores
> > > 4 gig mem win 2003 32 bit Std ( Add SQL std??) 3. E Portal w/2 cores 4
> >
> > > gig mem win 2008 64 bit Enterprise ( Add SQL
> > > std??)
> > >
> > > Redundant Server: (3-300GB)- RAID5
> > > 24G (1-300GB) hot Spare
> > > *************************************************************
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> > > vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>>
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> > > Of Michael Barry
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:30 PM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
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> > > Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05
> > >
> > > Thanks for making my point but where do you get your more money
> > > equivalency? One of the fastest SSD's available is from Crucial and a
> > > 128 GB drive is $469. In your proposed 4 drive array the cost would be
> >
> > > $1876. Then there are the savings from reduced chassis, power supply,
> > > thermal management, etc. In practical application you can build a 1U
> > > server with a handful of SSD's for under $4000 that will absolutely
> > > blow the doors off of a $15,000 mega chassis multi spindle monster.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > Michael Barry
> > > Aspacia Systems Inc
> > > 866.566.9600
> > > 312.803.0730 fax
> > > http://www.aspacia.com/
> > >
> > > On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Jose Gomez wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would respectfully disagree with Michael, the reason for 16 drives
> >
> > > > is not about storage its all about performance. RAID 10 with 16
> > > > drives
> > >
> > > > would give you the best performance for you database unless u want
> > > > to spend more money and get SSD's which would provide a huge
> > > > performance
> > > boost.
> > > >
> > > > Here is an example
> > > >
> > > > 16 SCSI Drive Raid 10: 1200-1600 IO/S
> > > > 4 SSD Drives Raid 10: 50,000+ IO/S
> > > >
> > > > There is your performance ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely
> > > > Jose C Gomez
> > > >
> > > > http://www.josecgomez.com
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Michael Barry
> > > > <mbarry@...<mbarry%40aspacia.com>
>
> > > <mailto:mbarry%40aspacia.com <mbarry%2540aspacia.com> <mbarry%
> 2540aspacia.com>> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > There are only two scenario where this recommendation isn't pure
> > > lunacy.
> > > > > First, your database would have to be absolutely enormous - on the
> >
> > > > > order of hundreds of gigabytes to require that much physical
> > > > > storage. Second would be attempting to improve application
> > > > > performance by striping the I/O across multiple spindles and/or
> > > > > controllers. If you are really the former then you are talking way
> >
> > > > > beyond the average PC/server market and would need to be looking
> > > > > at enterprise class hardware from IBM/SUN/HP/Fujitsu, etc because
> > > > > sixteen drives worth of throughput will absolutely overwhelm a
> > > > > typical PC/Server backplane. If it is for performance, then a
> > > handful of strategically arrayed SSD's will blow the flotilla of
> > > magnetic drives away.
> > > > >
> > > > > Either way, your goofy appraisal seems spot on....
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Barry
> > > > > Aspacia Systems Inc
> > > > > 866.566.9600
> > > > > 312.803.0730 fax
> > > > > http://www.aspacia.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PLAMAN, DICK wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > My "hardware requirements" documents specifies that the server
> > > > > > should
> > > > > have 16 SIXTEEN drives??
> > > > > > This seems a little goofy to me.
> > > > > > Is this correct? We have between 50 - 60 full users.
> > > > > > thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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system · October 21, 2010, 10:23am

But can you create new databases and app servers with OpenEdge Explorer?

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Waffqle Driggers
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:57 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05

The new OpenEdge Explorer that replaces it works fine.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:54 AM, mattcald_73 <matt@...> wrote:

>
>
> Epicor has a registry edit that will get PE to work on 64-bit 2008
servers.
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, Joe Rojas
> <jrojas@...> wrote:
> >
> > Progress Explorer doesn't work in 64 Bit...or Vista/2008 and higher
> > I believe.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> > Of Waffqle Driggers
> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:36 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05
> >
> > To the best of my knowledge, none of the 'core' modules require
32-bit.
> > The documentation mentions an administrative console that requires
> > 32-bit, but I'm not sure what it is. I know both the 'Epicor Admin
> > Console' and the 'Open Edge Explorer' function fine in 64-bit
> > environments.
> >
> > Perhaps some of the 3rd party software?
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Robinson, Nick < nick.robinson@...>

> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > What modules still require 32 bit? Has to be the application
server?
> > >
> > >
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> > > vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Len
> > > Hartka
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05
> > >
> > >
> > > Good Day:
> > >
> > > Sun Is on M2K 7.0 SP 5 (Informix) but, Going to: Epicor 9,
> > > 9.05.601A SQL (go live date is 12/1/10)
> > >
> > > Below is what we used. 55-65 users - we think it will handle
75-80.
> > > there were some minor changes.
> > > Servers were Dell with two Nehalem Quad processors - faster then
> > > four Quad of other type.
> > > Even with all that, system is slow, but the problem is not the
> > > core speed, but the Interface to the Workstation and the
> > > 'configuration' of
> >
> > > pages. MRP = 6 or 12 hours depending on if run with 3
> > > MRP-Processes,
> > > 45-60 seconds for programs to open ( the first time each day),
etc.
> > >
> > > I wanted SSD's, but 18 months ago they did cost $50,000, but now I

> > > would believe $4,000 to 8,000.
> > > BUT, SSD's are only really fast I one direction ( read?) - the
> > > speed differential is no where near the same for write.
> > > To test, play with a USB ( same technology) - write much slower
> > > then read. By the way, there are USB's that are 30% faster then
most.
> > >
> > > Spindles, Spindles, spindles - that is all we heard from everyone
> > > and yes it is not for storage but for speed since each spindle can

> > > be processing at once.
> > >
> > > Watch out for 32 vs 64 bit - some modules still must be 32.
> > > Also, watch out for OS - can limit how much memory you can USE (
> > > no fit, but use).
> > >
> > > len.hartka@... <len.hartka%40sunautomation.com> <mailto:
>
> > > len.hartka%40sunautomation.com <len.hartka%2540sunautomation.com>>
> > >
> > > *************************************************
> > > Apps Server - (2-146) RAID1-OS, OS 24G ( 2 -146) RAID1 , Epicor 9
> > > Application
> > > (1-146) hot spare
> > >
> > > SQL - (2-73GB) Raid1, OS and SQL app 48G (4-73GB) Raid 10 Temp-db
> > > (1-73) hot spare
> > >
> > > Disc Array - (10-73GB) RAID10, Data-MDF
> > > (12-73GB) RAID10, Log-LDF
> > > (2-73GB) hot Spare
> > >
> > > Misc app\Virtualized: (3 -300GB) RAID 5 1. Web Server w/4 cores, 8

> > > gig
> >
> > > memory win 2008 64bit Enterprise 24G (1-300GB) hot spare 2.
> > > Crystal reports, APM, Mgnt Reporter w/2 cores
> > > 4 gig mem win 2003 32 bit Std ( Add SQL std??) 3. E Portal w/2
> > > cores 4
> >
> > > gig mem win 2008 64 bit Enterprise ( Add SQL
> > > std??)
> > >
> > > Redundant Server: (3-300GB)- RAID5 24G (1-300GB) hot Spare
> > > *************************************************************
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
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> > > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> > > vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>> ] On
> > > Behalf Of Michael Barry
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:30 PM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> > > vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05
> > >
> > > Thanks for making my point but where do you get your more money
> > > equivalency? One of the fastest SSD's available is from Crucial
> > > and a
> > > 128 GB drive is $469. In your proposed 4 drive array the cost
> > > would be
> >
> > > $1876. Then there are the savings from reduced chassis, power
> > > supply, thermal management, etc. In practical application you can
> > > build a 1U server with a handful of SSD's for under $4000 that
> > > will absolutely blow the doors off of a $15,000 mega chassis multi
spindle monster.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > Michael Barry
> > > Aspacia Systems Inc
> > > 866.566.9600
> > > 312.803.0730 fax
> > > http://www.aspacia.com/
> > >
> > > On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Jose Gomez wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would respectfully disagree with Michael, the reason for 16
> > > > drives
> >
> > > > is not about storage its all about performance. RAID 10 with 16
> > > > drives
> > >
> > > > would give you the best performance for you database unless u
> > > > want to spend more money and get SSD's which would provide a
> > > > huge performance
> > > boost.
> > > >
> > > > Here is an example
> > > >
> > > > 16 SCSI Drive Raid 10: 1200-1600 IO/S
> > > > 4 SSD Drives Raid 10: 50,000+ IO/S
> > > >
> > > > There is your performance ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely
> > > > Jose C Gomez
> > > >
> > > > http://www.josecgomez.com
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Michael Barry
> > > > <mbarry@...<mbarry%40aspacia.com>
>
> > > <mailto:mbarry%40aspacia.com <mbarry%2540aspacia.com> <mbarry%
> 2540aspacia.com>> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > There are only two scenario where this recommendation isn't
> > > > > pure
> > > lunacy.
> > > > > First, your database would have to be absolutely enormous - on

> > > > > the
> >
> > > > > order of hundreds of gigabytes to require that much physical
> > > > > storage. Second would be attempting to improve application
> > > > > performance by striping the I/O across multiple spindles
> > > > > and/or controllers. If you are really the former then you are
> > > > > talking way
> >
> > > > > beyond the average PC/server market and would need to be
> > > > > looking at enterprise class hardware from IBM/SUN/HP/Fujitsu,
> > > > > etc because sixteen drives worth of throughput will absolutely

> > > > > overwhelm a typical PC/Server backplane. If it is for
> > > > > performance, then a
> > > handful of strategically arrayed SSD's will blow the flotilla of
> > > magnetic drives away.
> > > > >
> > > > > Either way, your goofy appraisal seems spot on....
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Barry
> > > > > Aspacia Systems Inc
> > > > > 866.566.9600
> > > > > 312.803.0730 fax
> > > > > http://www.aspacia.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PLAMAN, DICK wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > My "hardware requirements" documents specifies that the
> > > > > > server should
> > > > > have 16 SIXTEEN drives??
> > > > > > This seems a little goofy to me.
> > > > > > Is this correct? We have between 50 - 60 full users.
> > > > > > thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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system · October 21, 2010, 10:32am

All the options to do so are in the UI, but I haven't actually used them yet
so I can't verify that they work properly.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Joe Rojas <jrojas@...> wrote:

>
>
> But can you create new databases and app servers with OpenEdge Explorer?
>
>
> Joe Rojas | Director of Information Technology | Mats Inc
> dir: 781-573-0291 | cell: 781-408-9278 | fax: 781-232-5191
> jrojas@... <jrojas%40matsinc.com> | www.matsinc.com Ask us about
> our clean, green and beautiful matting and flooring
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> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> Of Waffqle Driggers
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:57 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05
>
> The new OpenEdge Explorer that replaces it works fine.
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:54 AM, mattcald_73 <matt@...<matt%40kerusso.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Epicor has a registry edit that will get PE to work on 64-bit 2008
> servers.
> >
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, Joe Rojas
> > <jrojas@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Progress Explorer doesn't work in 64 Bit...or Vista/2008 and higher
> > > I believe.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe Rojas | Director of Information Technology | Mats Inc
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> > > beautiful
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> >
> > >
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> > vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
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> > > Of Waffqle Driggers
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:36 AM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05
> > >
> > > To the best of my knowledge, none of the 'core' modules require
> 32-bit.
> > > The documentation mentions an administrative console that requires
> > > 32-bit, but I'm not sure what it is. I know both the 'Epicor Admin
> > > Console' and the 'Open Edge Explorer' function fine in 64-bit
> > > environments.
> > >
> > > Perhaps some of the 3rd party software?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Robinson, Nick < nick.robinson@...>
>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What modules still require 32 bit? Has to be the application
> server?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <vantage%
> > 40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> > > > vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
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> > 40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Len
> > > > Hartka
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> > > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
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> > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Good Day:
> > > >
> > > > Sun Is on M2K 7.0 SP 5 (Informix) but, Going to: Epicor 9,
> > > > 9.05.601A SQL (go live date is 12/1/10)
> > > >
> > > > Below is what we used. 55-65 users - we think it will handle
> 75-80.
> > > > there were some minor changes.
> > > > Servers were Dell with two Nehalem Quad processors - faster then
> > > > four Quad of other type.
> > > > Even with all that, system is slow, but the problem is not the
> > > > core speed, but the Interface to the Workstation and the
> > > > 'configuration' of
> > >
> > > > pages. MRP = 6 or 12 hours depending on if run with 3
> > > > MRP-Processes,
> > > > 45-60 seconds for programs to open ( the first time each day),
> etc.
> > > >
> > > > I wanted SSD's, but 18 months ago they did cost $50,000, but now I
>
> > > > would believe $4,000 to 8,000.
> > > > BUT, SSD's are only really fast I one direction ( read?) - the
> > > > speed differential is no where near the same for write.
> > > > To test, play with a USB ( same technology) - write much slower
> > > > then read. By the way, there are USB's that are 30% faster then
> most.
> > > >
> > > > Spindles, Spindles, spindles - that is all we heard from everyone
> > > > and yes it is not for storage but for speed since each spindle can
>
> > > > be processing at once.
> > > >
> > > > Watch out for 32 vs 64 bit - some modules still must be 32.
> > > > Also, watch out for OS - can limit how much memory you can USE (
> > > > no fit, but use).
> > > >
> > > > len.hartka@... <len.hartka%40sunautomation.com> <mailto:
> >
> > > > len.hartka%40sunautomation.com <len.hartka%2540sunautomation.com>>
> > > >
> > > > *************************************************
> > > > Apps Server - (2-146) RAID1-OS, OS 24G ( 2 -146) RAID1 , Epicor 9
> > > > Application
> > > > (1-146) hot spare
> > > >
> > > > SQL - (2-73GB) Raid1, OS and SQL app 48G (4-73GB) Raid 10 Temp-db
> > > > (1-73) hot spare
> > > >
> > > > Disc Array - (10-73GB) RAID10, Data-MDF
> > > > (12-73GB) RAID10, Log-LDF
> > > > (2-73GB) hot Spare
> > > >
> > > > Misc app\Virtualized: (3 -300GB) RAID 5 1. Web Server w/4 cores, 8
>
> > > > gig
> > >
> > > > memory win 2008 64bit Enterprise 24G (1-300GB) hot spare 2.
> > > > Crystal reports, APM, Mgnt Reporter w/2 cores
> > > > 4 gig mem win 2003 32 bit Std ( Add SQL std??) 3. E Portal w/2
> > > > cores 4
> > >
> > > > gig mem win 2008 64 bit Enterprise ( Add SQL
> > > > std??)
> > > >
> > > > Redundant Server: (3-300GB)- RAID5 24G (1-300GB) hot Spare
> > > > *************************************************************
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <vantage%
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> > > > <vantage%
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> > > > Behalf Of Michael Barry
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:30 PM
> > > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
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> > 40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
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> > > > Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server Hard drives for Epicor 9.05
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for making my point but where do you get your more money
> > > > equivalency? One of the fastest SSD's available is from Crucial
> > > > and a
> > > > 128 GB drive is $469. In your proposed 4 drive array the cost
> > > > would be
> > >
> > > > $1876. Then there are the savings from reduced chassis, power
> > > > supply, thermal management, etc. In practical application you can
> > > > build a 1U server with a handful of SSD's for under $4000 that
> > > > will absolutely blow the doors off of a $15,000 mega chassis multi
> spindle monster.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > Michael Barry
> > > > Aspacia Systems Inc
> > > > 866.566.9600
> > > > 312.803.0730 fax
> > > > http://www.aspacia.com/
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Jose Gomez wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I would respectfully disagree with Michael, the reason for 16
> > > > > drives
> > >
> > > > > is not about storage its all about performance. RAID 10 with 16
> > > > > drives
> > > >
> > > > > would give you the best performance for you database unless u
> > > > > want to spend more money and get SSD's which would provide a
> > > > > huge performance
> > > > boost.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is an example
> > > > >
> > > > > 16 SCSI Drive Raid 10: 1200-1600 IO/S
> > > > > 4 SSD Drives Raid 10: 50,000+ IO/S
> > > > >
> > > > > There is your performance ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > Jose C Gomez
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.josecgomez.com
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Michael Barry
> > > > > <mbarry@...<mbarry%40aspacia.com>
> >
> > > > <mailto:mbarry%40aspacia.com <mbarry%2540aspacia.com> <mbarry%
> 2540aspacia.com> <mbarry%
>
> > 2540aspacia.com>> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > There are only two scenario where this recommendation isn't
> > > > > > pure
> > > > lunacy.
> > > > > > First, your database would have to be absolutely enormous - on
>
> > > > > > the
> > >
> > > > > > order of hundreds of gigabytes to require that much physical
> > > > > > storage. Second would be attempting to improve application
> > > > > > performance by striping the I/O across multiple spindles
> > > > > > and/or controllers. If you are really the former then you are
> > > > > > talking way
> > >
> > > > > > beyond the average PC/server market and would need to be
> > > > > > looking at enterprise class hardware from IBM/SUN/HP/Fujitsu,
> > > > > > etc because sixteen drives worth of throughput will absolutely
>
> > > > > > overwhelm a typical PC/Server backplane. If it is for
> > > > > > performance, then a
> > > > handful of strategically arrayed SSD's will blow the flotilla of
> > > > magnetic drives away.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Either way, your goofy appraisal seems spot on....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Barry
> > > > > > Aspacia Systems Inc
> > > > > > 866.566.9600
> > > > > > 312.803.0730 fax
> > > > > > http://www.aspacia.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:43 AM, PLAMAN, DICK wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > My "hardware requirements" documents specifies that the
> > > > > > > server should
> > > > > > have 16 SIXTEEN drives??
> > > > > > > This seems a little goofy to me.
> > > > > > > Is this correct? We have between 50 - 60 full users.
> > > > > > > thanks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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