SMTP authentication

system · March 25, 2010, 8:10am

Jay, I can send a non-authenticated out however then it goes through the my
spam filters. I am testing 1st mail server that will allow
non-authenticated incoming with authenticated outgoing relay. It allows you
to setup IP range list for security. I have not been able to find any free
ware that has these same capabilities to use so I think I will end up
purchasing the software for around $69.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: jlogroups [mailto:jayo@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:04 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: SMTP authentication

I'm having this issue as well. Was there any closure to this?

Jay

--- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com, "Ari
Footlik" <ari@...> wrote:

>
> I assume you are trying to set your SMTP server-name to something like
> "mail.yourdomain.com" Perhaps that is the problem - that server is in
> all likelihood not the public "mail-exchanger" (MX-record) for your
> domain.
>
> The mail-exchanger for your domain *must* accept non-authenticated
> sessions because that is the only way incoming email from external
> senders could possibly work. If you point your SMTP settings in Vantage
> to the mail-exchanger, that should give you the functionality you need
> without requiring your ISP to do anything.
>
> Steve - as a test - I sent you a message. Please let me know if you get
> it.
>
> --Ari
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com

[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf

> Of vantage
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:08 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication
>
>
>
> You are correct on this! I Have tried to get my ISP to give me an open
> connection without authentication but was told that they would not do
> that.(Level 1 support). I will need to try to move up the support to
> possible get this done, but also trying to find if I can get around this
> problem in a different way.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Edward F. Fox, Jr. [mailto:efox@...
> <mailto:efox%40maxsonautomatic.com> ]
> Sent: September 18, 2008 9:06 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com

<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication
>
> In our case, our web and email host requires authentication for it's
> smtp
> server. Because of that, it would reject the Vantage emails from Global
> Alerts. That is why we use the smtp server our ISP (different entity)
> provided.
>
> Steve may be experiencing the same thing.
>
> Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA
>
> Controller
>
> Maxson Automatic Machinery Company
>
> Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050
>
> www.maxsonautomatic.com
>
> _____
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
> Behalf Of
> Ari Footlik
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:58 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication
>
> I may be wrong, but you shouldn't need to authenticate against the
> server if you're going to be sending an email to an address within your
> own domain/organization.
>
> "Relay" usually means using your server to send a message *from* an
> external domain *to* an external domain. One wouldn't consider it to be
> a "relay" for the server to process/deliver a message intended for a
> recipient it hosted.
>
> Think of it this way: When your server received this message, the server
> accepted an incoming connection from the Yahoo server. The initial
> communication/setup included a query from your server as to the intended
> recipient. If the domain of the intended recipient's email address is
> one that the server hosts, it allows the communication *without*
> authentication. If it didn't, no incoming messages would be possible;
> an external SMTP server would never be authenticating to your server to
> send you a message.
>
> In my opinion, it's likely that something else is going on. Perhaps you
> could install WireShark on your Vantage server and monitor the
> communication to/from the SMTP server? You'd be able to see the actual
> messages being exchanged between the machines during session setup.
>
> --Ari
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
> Behalf
> Of rmgfelm
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:31 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> Subject: [Vantage] SMTP authentication
>
> I submitted this question a few days ago and did not receive a
> response, so I wanted to send it out again.
>
> I am currently running on ver 8.03.405A and looking for some
> suggestions. My current e-mail provider requires SMTP authentication
> and also does not allow SMTP relay. Currently Vantage does not support
> SMTP authentication. Does anyone know of a way to get around this
> problem?
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo
> <http://geo.yahoo
> <http://geo.yahoo

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com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg

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com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg

> > >
> com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
> com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg
> Id=68965/stime=1221744685/nc1=3848584/nc2=5370600/nc3=5286675>
>
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system · September 18, 2008, 9:31am

I submitted this question a few days ago and did not receive a
response, so I wanted to send it out again.

I am currently running on ver 8.03.405A and looking for some
suggestions. My current e-mail provider requires SMTP authentication
and also does not allow SMTP relay. Currently Vantage does not support
SMTP authentication. Does anyone know of a way to get around this
problem?

Thanks

Steve

system · September 18, 2008, 9:45am

My ISP was able to provide me with an open smtp server for connections
originating from my IP.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 a Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
rmgfelm
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:31 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I submitted this question a few days ago and did not receive a
response, so I wanted to send it out again.

I am currently running on ver 8.03.405A and looking for some
suggestions. My current e-mail provider requires SMTP authentication
and also does not allow SMTP relay. Currently Vantage does not support
SMTP authentication. Does anyone know of a way to get around this
problem?

Thanks

Steve

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · September 18, 2008, 9:58am

I may be wrong, but you shouldn't need to authenticate against the
server if you're going to be sending an email to an address within your
own domain/organization.

"Relay" usually means using your server to send a message *from* an
external domain *to* an external domain. One wouldn't consider it to be
a "relay" for the server to process/deliver a message intended for a
recipient it hosted.

Think of it this way: When your server received this message, the server
accepted an incoming connection from the Yahoo server. The initial
communication/setup included a query from your server as to the intended
recipient. If the domain of the intended recipient's email address is
one that the server hosts, it allows the communication *without*
authentication. If it didn't, no incoming messages would be possible;
an external SMTP server would never be authenticating to your server to
send you a message.

In my opinion, it's likely that something else is going on. Perhaps you
could install WireShark on your Vantage server and monitor the
communication to/from the SMTP server? You'd be able to see the actual
messages being exchanged between the machines during session setup.

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of rmgfelm
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:31 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I submitted this question a few days ago and did not receive a
response, so I wanted to send it out again.

I am currently running on ver 8.03.405A and looking for some
suggestions. My current e-mail provider requires SMTP authentication
and also does not allow SMTP relay. Currently Vantage does not support
SMTP authentication. Does anyone know of a way to get around this
problem?

Thanks

Steve

.

<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg
Id=68965/stime=1221744685/nc1=3848584/nc2=5370600/nc3=5286675>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · September 18, 2008, 10:06am

In our case, our web and email host requires authentication for it's smtp
server. Because of that, it would reject the Vantage emails from Global
Alerts. That is why we use the smtp server our ISP (different entity)
provided.

Steve may be experiencing the same thing.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 a Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Ari Footlik
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:58 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I may be wrong, but you shouldn't need to authenticate against the
server if you're going to be sending an email to an address within your
own domain/organization.

"Relay" usually means using your server to send a message *from* an
external domain *to* an external domain. One wouldn't consider it to be
a "relay" for the server to process/deliver a message intended for a
recipient it hosted.

Think of it this way: When your server received this message, the server
accepted an incoming connection from the Yahoo server. The initial
communication/setup included a query from your server as to the intended
recipient. If the domain of the intended recipient's email address is
one that the server hosts, it allows the communication *without*
authentication. If it didn't, no incoming messages would be possible;
an external SMTP server would never be authenticating to your server to
send you a message.

In my opinion, it's likely that something else is going on. Perhaps you
could install WireShark on your Vantage server and monitor the
communication to/from the SMTP server? You'd be able to see the actual
messages being exchanged between the machines during session setup.

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of rmgfelm
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:31 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I submitted this question a few days ago and did not receive a
response, so I wanted to send it out again.

I am currently running on ver 8.03.405A and looking for some
suggestions. My current e-mail provider requires SMTP authentication
and also does not allow SMTP relay. Currently Vantage does not support
SMTP authentication. Does anyone know of a way to get around this
problem?

Thanks

Steve

.

<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg
Id=68965/stime=1221744685/nc1=3848584/nc2=5370600/nc3=5286675>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · September 18, 2008, 11:07am

You are correct on this! I Have tried to get my ISP to give me an open
connection without authentication but was told that they would not do
that.(Level 1 support). I will need to try to move up the support to
possible get this done, but also trying to find if I can get around this
problem in a different way.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward F. Fox, Jr. [mailto:efox@...]
Sent: September 18, 2008 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

In our case, our web and email host requires authentication for it's smtp
server. Because of that, it would reject the Vantage emails from Global
Alerts. That is why we use the smtp server our ISP (different entity)
provided.

Steve may be experiencing the same thing.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
Ari Footlik
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:58 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I may be wrong, but you shouldn't need to authenticate against the
server if you're going to be sending an email to an address within your
own domain/organization.

"Relay" usually means using your server to send a message *from* an
external domain *to* an external domain. One wouldn't consider it to be
a "relay" for the server to process/deliver a message intended for a
recipient it hosted.

Think of it this way: When your server received this message, the server
accepted an incoming connection from the Yahoo server. The initial
communication/setup included a query from your server as to the intended
recipient. If the domain of the intended recipient's email address is
one that the server hosts, it allows the communication *without*
authentication. If it didn't, no incoming messages would be possible;
an external SMTP server would never be authenticating to your server to
send you a message.

In my opinion, it's likely that something else is going on. Perhaps you
could install WireShark on your Vantage server and monitor the
communication to/from the SMTP server? You'd be able to see the actual
messages being exchanged between the machines during session setup.

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of rmgfelm
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:31 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I submitted this question a few days ago and did not receive a
response, so I wanted to send it out again.

I am currently running on ver 8.03.405A and looking for some
suggestions. My current e-mail provider requires SMTP authentication
and also does not allow SMTP relay. Currently Vantage does not support
SMTP authentication. Does anyone know of a way to get around this
problem?

Thanks

Steve

.

<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg
Id=68965/stime=1221744685/nc1=3848584/nc2=5370600/nc3=5286675>

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system · September 18, 2008, 11:18am

If you are only trying to send mail in-house it is quick and easy to set up
an smtp server with Linux. You can point Vantage to the Linux box. Any old
PC will do to set this up.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 a Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
vantage
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:08 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

You are correct on this! I Have tried to get my ISP to give me an open
connection without authentication but was told that they would not do
that.(Level 1 support). I will need to try to move up the support to
possible get this done, but also trying to find if I can get around this
problem in a different way.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward F. Fox, Jr. [mailto:efox@maxsonautomati
<mailto:efox%40maxsonautomatic.com> c.com]
Sent: September 18, 2008 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

In our case, our web and email host requires authentication for it's smtp
server. Because of that, it would reject the Vantage emails from Global
Alerts. That is why we use the smtp server our ISP (different entity)
provided.

Steve may be experiencing the same thing.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
Ari Footlik
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:58 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I may be wrong, but you shouldn't need to authenticate against the
server if you're going to be sending an email to an address within your
own domain/organization.

"Relay" usually means using your server to send a message *from* an
external domain *to* an external domain. One wouldn't consider it to be
a "relay" for the server to process/deliver a message intended for a
recipient it hosted.

Think of it this way: When your server received this message, the server
accepted an incoming connection from the Yahoo server. The initial
communication/setup included a query from your server as to the intended
recipient. If the domain of the intended recipient's email address is
one that the server hosts, it allows the communication *without*
authentication. If it didn't, no incoming messages would be possible;
an external SMTP server would never be authenticating to your server to
send you a message.

In my opinion, it's likely that something else is going on. Perhaps you
could install WireShark on your Vantage server and monitor the
communication to/from the SMTP server? You'd be able to see the actual
messages being exchanged between the machines during session setup.

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of rmgfelm
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:31 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I submitted this question a few days ago and did not receive a
response, so I wanted to send it out again.

I am currently running on ver 8.03.405A and looking for some
suggestions. My current e-mail provider requires SMTP authentication
and also does not allow SMTP relay. Currently Vantage does not support
SMTP authentication. Does anyone know of a way to get around this
problem?

Thanks

Steve

.

<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg
Id=68965/stime=1221744685/nc1=3848584/nc2=5370600/nc3=5286675>

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system · September 18, 2008, 11:28am

I assume you are trying to set your SMTP server-name to something like
"mail.yourdomain.com" Perhaps that is the problem - that server is in
all likelihood not the public "mail-exchanger" (MX-record) for your
domain.

The mail-exchanger for your domain *must* accept non-authenticated
sessions because that is the only way incoming email from external
senders could possibly work. If you point your SMTP settings in Vantage
to the mail-exchanger, that should give you the functionality you need
without requiring your ISP to do anything.

Steve - as a test - I sent you a message. Please let me know if you get
it.

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of vantage
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:08 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

You are correct on this! I Have tried to get my ISP to give me an open
connection without authentication but was told that they would not do
that.(Level 1 support). I will need to try to move up the support to
possible get this done, but also trying to find if I can get around this
problem in a different way.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward F. Fox, Jr. [mailto:efox@...
<mailto:efox%40maxsonautomatic.com> ]
Sent: September 18, 2008 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

In our case, our web and email host requires authentication for it's
smtp
server. Because of that, it would reject the Vantage emails from Global
Alerts. That is why we use the smtp server our ISP (different entity)
provided.

Steve may be experiencing the same thing.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
Ari Footlik
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:58 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I may be wrong, but you shouldn't need to authenticate against the
server if you're going to be sending an email to an address within your
own domain/organization.

"Relay" usually means using your server to send a message *from* an
external domain *to* an external domain. One wouldn't consider it to be
a "relay" for the server to process/deliver a message intended for a
recipient it hosted.

Think of it this way: When your server received this message, the server
accepted an incoming connection from the Yahoo server. The initial
communication/setup included a query from your server as to the intended
recipient. If the domain of the intended recipient's email address is
one that the server hosts, it allows the communication *without*
authentication. If it didn't, no incoming messages would be possible;
an external SMTP server would never be authenticating to your server to
send you a message.

In my opinion, it's likely that something else is going on. Perhaps you
could install WireShark on your Vantage server and monitor the
communication to/from the SMTP server? You'd be able to see the actual
messages being exchanged between the machines during session setup.

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of rmgfelm
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:31 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I submitted this question a few days ago and did not receive a
response, so I wanted to send it out again.

I am currently running on ver 8.03.405A and looking for some
suggestions. My current e-mail provider requires SMTP authentication
and also does not allow SMTP relay. Currently Vantage does not support
SMTP authentication. Does anyone know of a way to get around this
problem?

Thanks

Steve

.

<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg

> >

com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg
Id=68965/stime=1221744685/nc1=3848584/nc2=5370600/nc3=5286675>

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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system · September 18, 2008, 12:45pm

I did not receive the test you sent me.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Ari Footlik [mailto:ari@...]
Sent: September 18, 2008 10:29 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I assume you are trying to set your SMTP server-name to something like
"mail.yourdomain.com" Perhaps that is the problem - that server is in
all likelihood not the public "mail-exchanger" (MX-record) for your
domain.

The mail-exchanger for your domain *must* accept non-authenticated
sessions because that is the only way incoming email from external
senders could possibly work. If you point your SMTP settings in Vantage
to the mail-exchanger, that should give you the functionality you need
without requiring your ISP to do anything.

Steve - as a test - I sent you a message. Please let me know if you get
it.

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of vantage
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:08 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

You are correct on this! I Have tried to get my ISP to give me an open
connection without authentication but was told that they would not do
that.(Level 1 support). I will need to try to move up the support to
possible get this done, but also trying to find if I can get around this
problem in a different way.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward F. Fox, Jr. [mailto:efox@maxsonautomati
<mailto:efox%40maxsonautomatic.com> c.com
<mailto:efox%40maxsonautomatic.com> ]
Sent: September 18, 2008 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

In our case, our web and email host requires authentication for it's
smtp
server. Because of that, it would reject the Vantage emails from Global
Alerts. That is why we use the smtp server our ISP (different entity)
provided.

Steve may be experiencing the same thing.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
Ari Footlik
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:58 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I may be wrong, but you shouldn't need to authenticate against the
server if you're going to be sending an email to an address within your
own domain/organization.

"Relay" usually means using your server to send a message *from* an
external domain *to* an external domain. One wouldn't consider it to be
a "relay" for the server to process/deliver a message intended for a
recipient it hosted.

Think of it this way: When your server received this message, the server
accepted an incoming connection from the Yahoo server. The initial
communication/setup included a query from your server as to the intended
recipient. If the domain of the intended recipient's email address is
one that the server hosts, it allows the communication *without*
authentication. If it didn't, no incoming messages would be possible;
an external SMTP server would never be authenticating to your server to
send you a message.

In my opinion, it's likely that something else is going on. Perhaps you
could install WireShark on your Vantage server and monitor the
communication to/from the SMTP server? You'd be able to see the actual
messages being exchanged between the machines during session setup.

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of rmgfelm
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:31 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I submitted this question a few days ago and did not receive a
response, so I wanted to send it out again.

I am currently running on ver 8.03.405A and looking for some
suggestions. My current e-mail provider requires SMTP authentication
and also does not allow SMTP relay. Currently Vantage does not support
SMTP authentication. Does anyone know of a way to get around this
problem?

Thanks

Steve

.

<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg
<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg

> >

com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg
Id=68965/stime=1221744685/nc1=3848584/nc2=5370600/nc3=5286675>

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · September 18, 2008, 12:46pm

Would you have to get the mail from a separate pop account on outlook?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward F. Fox, Jr. [mailto:efox@...]
Sent: September 18, 2008 10:19 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

If you are only trying to send mail in-house it is quick and easy to set up
an smtp server with Linux. You can point Vantage to the Linux box. Any old
PC will do to set this up.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
vantage
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:08 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

You are correct on this! I Have tried to get my ISP to give me an open
connection without authentication but was told that they would not do
that.(Level 1 support). I will need to try to move up the support to
possible get this done, but also trying to find if I can get around this
problem in a different way.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward F. Fox, Jr. [mailto:efox@maxsonautomati
<mailto:efox%40maxsonautomatic.com> c.com]
Sent: September 18, 2008 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

In our case, our web and email host requires authentication for it's smtp
server. Because of that, it would reject the Vantage emails from Global
Alerts. That is why we use the smtp server our ISP (different entity)
provided.

Steve may be experiencing the same thing.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
Ari Footlik
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:58 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I may be wrong, but you shouldn't need to authenticate against the
server if you're going to be sending an email to an address within your
own domain/organization.

"Relay" usually means using your server to send a message *from* an
external domain *to* an external domain. One wouldn't consider it to be
a "relay" for the server to process/deliver a message intended for a
recipient it hosted.

Think of it this way: When your server received this message, the server
accepted an incoming connection from the Yahoo server. The initial
communication/setup included a query from your server as to the intended
recipient. If the domain of the intended recipient's email address is
one that the server hosts, it allows the communication *without*
authentication. If it didn't, no incoming messages would be possible;
an external SMTP server would never be authenticating to your server to
send you a message.

In my opinion, it's likely that something else is going on. Perhaps you
could install WireShark on your Vantage server and monitor the
communication to/from the SMTP server? You'd be able to see the actual
messages being exchanged between the machines during session setup.

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of rmgfelm
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:31 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I submitted this question a few days ago and did not receive a
response, so I wanted to send it out again.

I am currently running on ver 8.03.405A and looking for some
suggestions. My current e-mail provider requires SMTP authentication
and also does not allow SMTP relay. Currently Vantage does not support
SMTP authentication. Does anyone know of a way to get around this
problem?

Thanks

Steve

.

<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg
Id=68965/stime=1221744685/nc1=3848584/nc2=5370600/nc3=5286675>

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · September 18, 2008, 12:48pm

I will also do a test setting the SMTP in vantage to the same as the MX
record setting.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Ari Footlik [mailto:ari@...]
Sent: September 18, 2008 10:29 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I assume you are trying to set your SMTP server-name to something like
"mail.yourdomain.com" Perhaps that is the problem - that server is in
all likelihood not the public "mail-exchanger" (MX-record) for your
domain.

The mail-exchanger for your domain *must* accept non-authenticated
sessions because that is the only way incoming email from external
senders could possibly work. If you point your SMTP settings in Vantage
to the mail-exchanger, that should give you the functionality you need
without requiring your ISP to do anything.

Steve - as a test - I sent you a message. Please let me know if you get
it.

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of vantage
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:08 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

You are correct on this! I Have tried to get my ISP to give me an open
connection without authentication but was told that they would not do
that.(Level 1 support). I will need to try to move up the support to
possible get this done, but also trying to find if I can get around this
problem in a different way.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward F. Fox, Jr. [mailto:efox@maxsonautomati
<mailto:efox%40maxsonautomatic.com> c.com
<mailto:efox%40maxsonautomatic.com> ]
Sent: September 18, 2008 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

In our case, our web and email host requires authentication for it's
smtp
server. Because of that, it would reject the Vantage emails from Global
Alerts. That is why we use the smtp server our ISP (different entity)
provided.

Steve may be experiencing the same thing.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
Ari Footlik
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:58 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I may be wrong, but you shouldn't need to authenticate against the
server if you're going to be sending an email to an address within your
own domain/organization.

"Relay" usually means using your server to send a message *from* an
external domain *to* an external domain. One wouldn't consider it to be
a "relay" for the server to process/deliver a message intended for a
recipient it hosted.

Think of it this way: When your server received this message, the server
accepted an incoming connection from the Yahoo server. The initial
communication/setup included a query from your server as to the intended
recipient. If the domain of the intended recipient's email address is
one that the server hosts, it allows the communication *without*
authentication. If it didn't, no incoming messages would be possible;
an external SMTP server would never be authenticating to your server to
send you a message.

In my opinion, it's likely that something else is going on. Perhaps you
could install WireShark on your Vantage server and monitor the
communication to/from the SMTP server? You'd be able to see the actual
messages being exchanged between the machines during session setup.

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of rmgfelm
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:31 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I submitted this question a few days ago and did not receive a
response, so I wanted to send it out again.

I am currently running on ver 8.03.405A and looking for some
suggestions. My current e-mail provider requires SMTP authentication
and also does not allow SMTP relay. Currently Vantage does not support
SMTP authentication. Does anyone know of a way to get around this
problem?

Thanks

Steve

.

<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg
<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg

> >

com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg
Id=68965/stime=1221744685/nc1=3848584/nc2=5370600/nc3=5286675>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · September 18, 2008, 12:49pm

You shouldn't - I sent the email to the same account you use for the
Vantage group. Send me an email off-list with your actual email address
and the address of the intended alert recipient and I'll try again.
Also, check your Postini filter - my message may have been blocked.

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of vantage
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

Would you have to get the mail from a separate pop account on outlook?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward F. Fox, Jr. [mailto:efox@...
<mailto:efox%40maxsonautomatic.com> ]
Sent: September 18, 2008 10:19 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

If you are only trying to send mail in-house it is quick and easy to set
up
an smtp server with Linux. You can point Vantage to the Linux box. Any
old
PC will do to set this up.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
vantage
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:08 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

You are correct on this! I Have tried to get my ISP to give me an open
connection without authentication but was told that they would not do
that.(Level 1 support). I will need to try to move up the support to
possible get this done, but also trying to find if I can get around this
problem in a different way.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward F. Fox, Jr. [mailto:efox@maxsonautomati
<mailto:efox%40maxsonautomatic.com> c.com]
Sent: September 18, 2008 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

In our case, our web and email host requires authentication for it's
smtp
server. Because of that, it would reject the Vantage emails from Global
Alerts. That is why we use the smtp server our ISP (different entity)
provided.

Steve may be experiencing the same thing.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
Ari Footlik
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:58 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I may be wrong, but you shouldn't need to authenticate against the
server if you're going to be sending an email to an address within your
own domain/organization.

"Relay" usually means using your server to send a message *from* an
external domain *to* an external domain. One wouldn't consider it to be
a "relay" for the server to process/deliver a message intended for a
recipient it hosted.

Think of it this way: When your server received this message, the server
accepted an incoming connection from the Yahoo server. The initial
communication/setup included a query from your server as to the intended
recipient. If the domain of the intended recipient's email address is
one that the server hosts, it allows the communication *without*
authentication. If it didn't, no incoming messages would be possible;
an external SMTP server would never be authenticating to your server to
send you a message.

In my opinion, it's likely that something else is going on. Perhaps you
could install WireShark on your Vantage server and monitor the
communication to/from the SMTP server? You'd be able to see the actual
messages being exchanged between the machines during session setup.

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of rmgfelm
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:31 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I submitted this question a few days ago and did not receive a
response, so I wanted to send it out again.

I am currently running on ver 8.03.405A and looking for some
suggestions. My current e-mail provider requires SMTP authentication
and also does not allow SMTP relay. Currently Vantage does not support
SMTP authentication. Does anyone know of a way to get around this
problem?

Thanks

Steve

.

<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg

> >

com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg>
com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=20369/grpspId=1705007181/msg
Id=68965/stime=1221744685/nc1=3848584/nc2=5370600/nc3=5286675>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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system · September 18, 2008, 12:54pm

Ari,

This mail was in the Posti filter, but the other one was not. If any mail
tries to bypass the Postini mx records and go direct to the mail server they
are automatically deleted.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Ari Footlik [mailto:ari@...]
Sent: September 18, 2008 11:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

You shouldn't - I sent the email to the same account you use for the
Vantage group. Send me an email off-list with your actual email address
and the address of the intended alert recipient and I'll try again.
Also, check your Postini filter - my message may have been blocked.

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of vantage
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

Would you have to get the mail from a separate pop account on outlook?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward F. Fox, Jr. [mailto:efox@maxsonautomati
<mailto:efox%40maxsonautomatic.com> c.com
<mailto:efox%40maxsonautomatic.com> ]
Sent: September 18, 2008 10:19 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

If you are only trying to send mail in-house it is quick and easy to set
up
an smtp server with Linux. You can point Vantage to the Linux box. Any
old
PC will do to set this up.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
vantage
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:08 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

You are correct on this! I Have tried to get my ISP to give me an open
connection without authentication but was told that they would not do
that.(Level 1 support). I will need to try to move up the support to
possible get this done, but also trying to find if I can get around this
problem in a different way.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward F. Fox, Jr. [mailto:efox@maxsonautomati
<mailto:efox%40maxsonautomatic.com> c.com]
Sent: September 18, 2008 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

In our case, our web and email host requires authentication for it's
smtp
server. Because of that, it would reject the Vantage emails from Global
Alerts. That is why we use the smtp server our ISP (different entity)
provided.

Steve may be experiencing the same thing.

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
Ari Footlik
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:58 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I may be wrong, but you shouldn't need to authenticate against the
server if you're going to be sending an email to an address within your
own domain/organization.

"Relay" usually means using your server to send a message *from* an
external domain *to* an external domain. One wouldn't consider it to be
a "relay" for the server to process/deliver a message intended for a
recipient it hosted.

Think of it this way: When your server received this message, the server
accepted an incoming connection from the Yahoo server. The initial
communication/setup included a query from your server as to the intended
recipient. If the domain of the intended recipient's email address is
one that the server hosts, it allows the communication *without*
authentication. If it didn't, no incoming messages would be possible;
an external SMTP server would never be authenticating to your server to
send you a message.

In my opinion, it's likely that something else is going on. Perhaps you
could install WireShark on your Vantage server and monitor the
communication to/from the SMTP server? You'd be able to see the actual
messages being exchanged between the machines during session setup.

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of rmgfelm
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:31 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: [Vantage] SMTP authentication

I submitted this question a few days ago and did not receive a
response, so I wanted to send it out again.

I am currently running on ver 8.03.405A and looking for some
suggestions. My current e-mail provider requires SMTP authentication
and also does not allow SMTP relay. Currently Vantage does not support
SMTP authentication. Does anyone know of a way to get around this
problem?

Thanks

Steve

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system · March 24, 2010, 5:07pm

I'm having this issue as well. Was there any closure to this?

Jay

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Ari Footlik" <ari@...> wrote:
>
> I assume you are trying to set your SMTP server-name to something like
> "mail.yourdomain.com" Perhaps that is the problem - that server is in
> all likelihood not the public "mail-exchanger" (MX-record) for your
> domain.
>
> The mail-exchanger for your domain *must* accept non-authenticated
> sessions because that is the only way incoming email from external
> senders could possibly work. If you point your SMTP settings in Vantage
> to the mail-exchanger, that should give you the functionality you need
> without requiring your ISP to do anything.
>
> Steve - as a test - I sent you a message. Please let me know if you get
> it.
>
> --Ari
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of vantage
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:08 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication
>
>
>
> You are correct on this! I Have tried to get my ISP to give me an open
> connection without authentication but was told that they would not do
> that.(Level 1 support). I will need to try to move up the support to
> possible get this done, but also trying to find if I can get around this
> problem in a different way.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Edward F. Fox, Jr. [mailto:efox@...
> <mailto:efox%40maxsonautomatic.com> ]
> Sent: September 18, 2008 9:06 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication
>
> In our case, our web and email host requires authentication for it's
> smtp
> server. Because of that, it would reject the Vantage emails from Global
> Alerts. That is why we use the smtp server our ISP (different entity)
> provided.
>
> Steve may be experiencing the same thing.
>
> Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA
>
> Controller
>
> Maxson Automatic Machinery Company
>
> Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050
>
> www.maxsonautomatic.com
>
> _____
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
> Behalf Of
> Ari Footlik
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:58 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] SMTP authentication
>
> I may be wrong, but you shouldn't need to authenticate against the
> server if you're going to be sending an email to an address within your
> own domain/organization.
>
> "Relay" usually means using your server to send a message *from* an
> external domain *to* an external domain. One wouldn't consider it to be
> a "relay" for the server to process/deliver a message intended for a
> recipient it hosted.
>
> Think of it this way: When your server received this message, the server
> accepted an incoming connection from the Yahoo server. The initial
> communication/setup included a query from your server as to the intended
> recipient. If the domain of the intended recipient's email address is
> one that the server hosts, it allows the communication *without*
> authentication. If it didn't, no incoming messages would be possible;
> an external SMTP server would never be authenticating to your server to
> send you a message.
>
> In my opinion, it's likely that something else is going on. Perhaps you
> could install WireShark on your Vantage server and monitor the
> communication to/from the SMTP server? You'd be able to see the actual
> messages being exchanged between the machines during session setup.
>
> --Ari
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
> Behalf
> Of rmgfelm
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:31 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> Subject: [Vantage] SMTP authentication
>
> I submitted this question a few days ago and did not receive a
> response, so I wanted to send it out again.
>
> I am currently running on ver 8.03.405A and looking for some
> suggestions. My current e-mail provider requires SMTP authentication
> and also does not allow SMTP relay. Currently Vantage does not support
> SMTP authentication. Does anyone know of a way to get around this
> problem?
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
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