Standard Costing Issue with 5.0.322 patch

I just thought I would see if any one else has the same opinion about a
change made to STD costing.

In patch 322 for version 5 they have made the following change that makes a
standard cost environment a mess:

When creating a Receipt from Manufacturing the cost that is used is the Jobs
actual cost NOT the Standard cost that the part is purposely marked with.
It the makes an adjustment to inventory to bring that cost back up to
standard creating an entry into an inventory adjustments account.

Below is what support has sent me saying this change is how it is supposed
to work. Does any one else agree with me their logic is wrong? If you are
using standard cost then that is what should be pulled from the job NOT the
actual. This effects the Inventory adjustments account along with the Work
order variance account. We use the work order variance to help us determine
how we are doing on jobs overall. We can no longer do that with this logic.
We will now also have to make journal entries to clean up the inventory
adjustment account and the Work order variance account. What a mess!

I would like to get this changed back to how it was before 5.00.322. If you
agree with me please call support or submit a change request.

Thank you,

Erica A. Steffens
System Administrator
Jerneen Micro Medical Technologies Inc.
ESteffens@...


Page ID 5626MPS

PROBLEM DESCRIPTION:

ADJ-CST being created for a Standard costed part when MFG-STK transaction is
created and is using the cost from the Job and not the Standard.

Customer stated that this is different than the way it was working in
5.00.317

STEPS TO DUPLICATE:

MnTech 5.00.323

Create a Job for a Standard Costed part.
Job = #2904
Part = stdmfgpart
Qty = 10
Standard = $35

Processed labor against Job #2904 & completed operation.
Processed Receipts from Mfg for Job #2904 Qty of 10
Per Production Detail Report Unit costs for the material on the job = $84.80
Viewing the Inventory/WIP Reconcilation report you can see a transaction
DEBIT Inventory $848.00 (10 x 84.80)
CREDIT WIP accounts $848.00

There is also an ADJ-CST transaction created so that the dollars in
Inventory will equal the Standard Cost.
ADJ-CST CREDIT Inventory $498.00
ADJ-CST DEBIT Inventory Adjustment $498.00
848.00 (job unit cost) minus 350 (standard cost >10 x $35) = $498
adjustment.

Per Call #682743MPS the Standard Costed Part should be issued off the job at
the Standard Cost and Not the Cost from the Job.

RESPONSE FROM DEVELOPMENT:

Working as designed.

MFG-STK is working the same as a PO to Stock at Standard Cost.
By receiving from a Job to Stock at Standard cost, in some cases may cause
negative WIP and a false sence of variance.
Also, the reason for the change was because the total unit cost of a part is
made up of labor, burden, material and therefore sits on the job at the
total cost in material. If it were to be releived at Standard, it was
trying to pull out those costs by the bucket and not the total material.

This issue will be discussed further.

WORKAROUND:

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
VERSION: 5.00.323
Erica,

I share your concern, although I see their point (what's that old saying?
"He who can see both sides of an argument can see nothing.") We normally
use average costing, but we'd like to use standard costing on a couple of
long running parts. In our case, the jobs run for a long time and get kind
of ugly in terms of labor (and therefore costing) data. When the data gets
ugly, the relief calculation is less than perfect. We decided that, since
we could predict with reasonable accuracy how much one part costs, we would
set the cost in the part master, and let the Receipts from Manufacturing
program relieve the standard cost from the job each time.

We could only use this approach with our most consistently manufactured
items. If there was a lot of variability with a process, the part produced
by that process wouldn't be a candidate for standard costing in our eyes for
the reasons Epicor states (goofy WIP balances, false sense of variance).

In the end, I'm with you. I'd rather have standard costed parts relieved at
standard. If I want actual, I can choose last or average, so it's not like
bringing back the old functionality (pre 322 patch) would be limiting. I'll
try it with our parts first and make sure we get the same results you did.
If I do, I'll let Epicor know. If I don't, I'll let you know.

Jon Hellebuyck
Stremel Manufacturing
-----Original Message-----
From:
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.com]On Behalf Of Erica Steffens
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:16 AM
To: 'vantage@...'
Subject: [Vantage] Standard Costing Issue with 5.0.322 patch


I just thought I would see if any one else has the same opinion about a
change made to STD costing.

In patch 322 for version 5 they have made the following change that makes
a
standard cost environment a mess:

When creating a Receipt from Manufacturing the cost that is used is the
Jobs
actual cost NOT the Standard cost that the part is purposely marked with.
It the makes an adjustment to inventory to bring that cost back up to
standard creating an entry into an inventory adjustments account.

Below is what support has sent me saying this change is how it is supposed
to work. Does any one else agree with me their logic is wrong? If you
are
using standard cost then that is what should be pulled from the job NOT
the
actual. This effects the Inventory adjustments account along with the
Work
order variance account. We use the work order variance to help us
determine
how we are doing on jobs overall. We can no longer do that with this
logic.
We will now also have to make journal entries to clean up the inventory
adjustment account and the Work order variance account. What a mess!

I would like to get this changed back to how it was before 5.00.322. If
you
agree with me please call support or submit a change request.

Thank you,

Erica A. Steffens
System Administrator
Jerneen Micro Medical Technologies Inc.
ESteffens@...


Page ID 5626MPS

PROBLEM DESCRIPTION:

ADJ-CST being created for a Standard costed part when MFG-STK transaction
is
created and is using the cost from the Job and not the Standard.

Customer stated that this is different than the way it was working in
5.00.317

STEPS TO DUPLICATE:

MnTech 5.00.323

Create a Job for a Standard Costed part.
Job = #2904
Part = stdmfgpart
Qty = 10
Standard = $35

Processed labor against Job #2904 & completed operation.
Processed Receipts from Mfg for Job #2904 Qty of 10
Per Production Detail Report Unit costs for the material on the job =
$84.80
Viewing the Inventory/WIP Reconcilation report you can see a transaction
DEBIT Inventory $848.00 (10 x 84.80)
CREDIT WIP accounts $848.00

There is also an ADJ-CST transaction created so that the dollars in
Inventory will equal the Standard Cost.
ADJ-CST CREDIT Inventory $498.00
ADJ-CST DEBIT Inventory Adjustment $498.00
848.00 (job unit cost) minus 350 (standard cost >10 x $35) = $498
adjustment.

Per Call #682743MPS the Standard Costed Part should be issued off the job
at
the Standard Cost and Not the Cost from the Job.

RESPONSE FROM DEVELOPMENT:

Working as designed.

MFG-STK is working the same as a PO to Stock at Standard Cost.
By receiving from a Job to Stock at Standard cost, in some cases may cause
negative WIP and a false sence of variance.
Also, the reason for the change was because the total unit cost of a part
is
made up of labor, burden, material and therefore sits on the job at the
total cost in material. If it were to be releived at Standard, it was
trying to pull out those costs by the bucket and not the total material.

This issue will be discussed further.

WORKAROUND:

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
VERSION: 5.00.323



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Erica,
We have looked carefully at this issue that you describe and agree with you. This needs to be changed (back to the way it was before). What Epicor has done here is not Standard Costing at all. Those concerned about this change should log a call about it.

Unfortunately, most companies may not even know of this change until closing at the end of the month when they find the variances are gone and inventory has been changed. Our Controller would have flipped out had he discovered this in mid stream. (We were planning to go to Standard Cost at the end of this month.)

Thanks for bringing this up, Erica. It is a serious concern.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: Erica Steffens
To: 'vantage@...'
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:15 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Standard Costing Issue with 5.0.322 patch


I just thought I would see if any one else has the same opinion about a
change made to STD costing.

In patch 322 for version 5 they have made the following change that makes a
standard cost environment a mess:

When creating a Receipt from Manufacturing the cost that is used is the Jobs
actual cost NOT the Standard cost that the part is purposely marked with.
It the makes an adjustment to inventory to bring that cost back up to
standard creating an entry into an inventory adjustments account.

Below is what support has sent me saying this change is how it is supposed
to work. Does any one else agree with me their logic is wrong? If you are
using standard cost then that is what should be pulled from the job NOT the
actual. This effects the Inventory adjustments account along with the Work
order variance account. We use the work order variance to help us determine
how we are doing on jobs overall. We can no longer do that with this logic.
We will now also have to make journal entries to clean up the inventory
adjustment account and the Work order variance account. What a mess!

I would like to get this changed back to how it was before 5.00.322. If you
agree with me please call support or submit a change request.

Thank you,

Erica A. Steffens
System Administrator
Jerneen Micro Medical Technologies Inc.
ESteffens@...


Page ID 5626MPS

PROBLEM DESCRIPTION:

ADJ-CST being created for a Standard costed part when MFG-STK transaction is
created and is using the cost from the Job and not the Standard.

Customer stated that this is different than the way it was working in
5.00.317

STEPS TO DUPLICATE:

MnTech 5.00.323

Create a Job for a Standard Costed part.
Job = #2904
Part = stdmfgpart
Qty = 10
Standard = $35

Processed labor against Job #2904 & completed operation.
Processed Receipts from Mfg for Job #2904 Qty of 10
Per Production Detail Report Unit costs for the material on the job = $84.80
Viewing the Inventory/WIP Reconcilation report you can see a transaction
DEBIT Inventory $848.00 (10 x 84.80)
CREDIT WIP accounts $848.00

There is also an ADJ-CST transaction created so that the dollars in
Inventory will equal the Standard Cost.
ADJ-CST CREDIT Inventory $498.00
ADJ-CST DEBIT Inventory Adjustment $498.00
848.00 (job unit cost) minus 350 (standard cost >10 x $35) = $498
adjustment.

Per Call #682743MPS the Standard Costed Part should be issued off the job at
the Standard Cost and Not the Cost from the Job.

RESPONSE FROM DEVELOPMENT:

Working as designed.

MFG-STK is working the same as a PO to Stock at Standard Cost.
By receiving from a Job to Stock at Standard cost, in some cases may cause
negative WIP and a false sence of variance.
Also, the reason for the change was because the total unit cost of a part is
made up of labor, burden, material and therefore sits on the job at the
total cost in material. If it were to be releived at Standard, it was
trying to pull out those costs by the bucket and not the total material.

This issue will be discussed further.

WORKAROUND:

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
VERSION: 5.00.323



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Its 11:00 am and no egroups mail has come through. Just testing to see if
it works.

Shirley H. Graver


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Bored ?

What would you like to talk about ?

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley H. Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 10:09 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] TEST


Its 11:00 am and no egroups mail has come through. Just testing to see if
it works.

Shirley H. Graver


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Never Bored!!!! Just a..."lert".. ?


Shirl


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Erica:

We also agree-the variances that are created are what our accountant uses to
"determine whether or not the jobs are running to standard."

We e-mailed Epicor and got attached to your call, this would keep us from
upgrading to 5.0. I received a reply that said they expect to have some
answers about this matter by the end of the week. Hope they'll agree to put
it back!

Thanks for pointing this out!

Lydia



-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 4:01 AM
To: vantage@...
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Standard Costing Issue with 5.0.322 patch

Erica,
We have looked carefully at this issue that you describe and agree with
you. This needs to be changed (back to the way it was before). What Epicor
has done here is not Standard Costing at all. Those concerned about this
change should log a call about it.

Unfortunately, most companies may not even know of this change until
closing at the end of the month when they find the variances are gone and
inventory has been changed. Our Controller would have flipped out had he
discovered this in mid stream. (We were planning to go to Standard Cost at
the end of this month.)

Thanks for bringing this up, Erica. It is a serious concern.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: Erica Steffens
To: 'vantage@...'
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:15 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Standard Costing Issue with 5.0.322 patch


I just thought I would see if any one else has the same opinion about a
change made to STD costing.

In patch 322 for version 5 they have made the following change that makes
a
standard cost environment a mess:

When creating a Receipt from Manufacturing the cost that is used is the
Jobs
actual cost NOT the Standard cost that the part is purposely marked with.
It the makes an adjustment to inventory to bring that cost back up to
standard creating an entry into an inventory adjustments account.

Below is what support has sent me saying this change is how it is supposed
to work. Does any one else agree with me their logic is wrong? If you
are
using standard cost then that is what should be pulled from the job NOT
the
actual. This effects the Inventory adjustments account along with the
Work
order variance account. We use the work order variance to help us
determine
how we are doing on jobs overall. We can no longer do that with this
logic.
We will now also have to make journal entries to clean up the inventory
adjustment account and the Work order variance account. What a mess!

I would like to get this changed back to how it was before 5.00.322. If
you
agree with me please call support or submit a change request.

Thank you,

Erica A. Steffens
System Administrator
Jerneen Micro Medical Technologies Inc.
ESteffens@...


Page ID 5626MPS

PROBLEM DESCRIPTION:

ADJ-CST being created for a Standard costed part when MFG-STK transaction
is
created and is using the cost from the Job and not the Standard.

Customer stated that this is different than the way it was working in
5.00.317

STEPS TO DUPLICATE:

MnTech 5.00.323

Create a Job for a Standard Costed part.
Job = #2904
Part = stdmfgpart
Qty = 10
Standard = $35

Processed labor against Job #2904 & completed operation.
Processed Receipts from Mfg for Job #2904 Qty of 10
Per Production Detail Report Unit costs for the material on the job =
$84.80
Viewing the Inventory/WIP Reconcilation report you can see a transaction
DEBIT Inventory $848.00 (10 x 84.80)
CREDIT WIP accounts $848.00

There is also an ADJ-CST transaction created so that the dollars in
Inventory will equal the Standard Cost.
ADJ-CST CREDIT Inventory $498.00
ADJ-CST DEBIT Inventory Adjustment $498.00
848.00 (job unit cost) minus 350 (standard cost >10 x $35) = $498
adjustment.

Per Call #682743MPS the Standard Costed Part should be issued off the job
at
the Standard Cost and Not the Cost from the Job.

RESPONSE FROM DEVELOPMENT:

Working as designed.

MFG-STK is working the same as a PO to Stock at Standard Cost.
By receiving from a Job to Stock at Standard cost, in some cases may cause
negative WIP and a false sence of variance.
Also, the reason for the change was because the total unit cost of a part
is
made up of labor, burden, material and therefore sits on the job at the
total cost in material. If it were to be releived at Standard, it was
trying to pull out those costs by the bucket and not the total material.

This issue will be discussed further.

WORKAROUND:

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
VERSION: 5.00.323



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Yes it has. Patch .329. There was some discussion among Epicor folks that in some future release there will be changes to Standard Costing to fix the negative WIP that happens under the current (.329) Standard Cost strategy. It comes down to which way is the best Accounting approach to take.

From the Patch Write File PA500329.WRI on the Epicor Site: http://support.epicor.com/v/downloads/support/vantage/pa500329.wri
---------------------------------------------------------

IM Inventory Management SCR 2593 5.00.328

Mfg Receipts functionality has been reinstated to how it was with patch 5.00.321. Patch 5.00.322 (SCR 2306) corrected negative WIP amounts made by Mfg Receipts. However, as a result, MFG-VAR transactions were no longer created.

Reinstating logic from 5.00.321 (for this one issue) corrects this problem in the SHORT TERM. (caps added by Troy Funte).

---------------------------------------------------------



Troy Funte

Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
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To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Standard Costing Issue with 5.0.322 patch


Has this issue been resolved yet?

Denise Brown

--- In vantage@y..., Lydia Coffman <lcoffman@c...> wrote:
> Erica (and all):
>
> I just spoke with Tim Ligas a little while ago, and he told me that
they
> will be putting the Standard costing back to the way it was prior
to the
> .322 patch-but I didn't ask when-duh!
>
> Just thought I should share.
>
> Lydia


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They put things back the way they were with the 329 patch.


Erica Steffens
Synovis Interventional solutions

-----Original Message-----
From: dbrown@... [mailto:dbrown@...]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Standard Costing Issue with 5.0.322 patch


Has this issue been resolved yet?

Denise Brown

--- In vantage@y..., Lydia Coffman <lcoffman@c...> wrote:
> Erica (and all):
>
> I just spoke with Tim Ligas a little while ago, and he told me that
they
> will be putting the Standard costing back to the way it was prior
to the
> .322 patch-but I didn't ask when-duh!
>
> Just thought I should share.
>
> Lydia



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Just testing. Off-list conversation with another baord member indicates no messages there either since yesterday.
This message sent at 10:06am CST on 1/31/03.
-Todd C.


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Just quiet today Todd. Or you and I are the only people working.... LOL.

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Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:01 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
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Just testing. Off-list conversation with another baord member indicates no
messages there either since yesterday. This message sent at 10:06am CST on
1/31/03. -Todd C.


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Just quiet today Todd. Or you and I are the only people working.... LOL.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:01 AM
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I am working too, just quietly.
;)

Mike T.

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Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] TEST


> Just quiet today Todd. Or you and I are the only people working.... LOL.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:01 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] TEST
>
>
> Just testing. Off-list conversation with another baord member indicates no
> messages there either since yesterday. This message sent at 10:06am CST on
> 1/31/03. -Todd C.
>
>
Come on people, do we all really need to waste everyone's precious time by
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oducts.com> cc:
Subject: Re: [Vantage] TEST
01/31/2003 10:24 AM
Please respond to
vantage






I am working too, just quietly.
;)

Mike T.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Tingley" <ltingley@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] TEST


> Just quiet today Todd. Or you and I are the only people working.... LOL.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:01 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] TEST
>
>
> Just testing. Off-list conversation with another baord member indicates
no
> messages there either since yesterday. This message sent at 10:06am CST
on
> 1/31/03. -Todd C.
>
>


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

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Jeeze Dave,,,,why not lighten up a little?

Rick Gors
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Poskevich [mailto:dposkevich@...]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] TEST



Come on people, do we all really need to waste everyone's precious time by
sending junk email?

Dave




"Mike Tonoyan"
<miket@allamericanpr To:
<vantage@yahoogroups.com>
oducts.com> cc:
Subject: Re: [Vantage]
TEST
01/31/2003 10:24 AM
Please respond to
vantage






I am working too, just quietly.
;)

Mike T.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Tingley" <ltingley@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] TEST


> Just quiet today Todd. Or you and I are the only people working.... LOL.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:01 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] TEST
>
>
> Just testing. Off-list conversation with another baord member indicates
no
> messages there either since yesterday. This message sent at 10:06am CST
on
> 1/31/03. -Todd C.
>
>


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/







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addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without
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receipt
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is strictly prohibited.




Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.


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