Sub-Contract Operation In 8.03.305K

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Robert,
I am trying to understand how to set up subcontract in Vantage 8 and
found this message from you through a search in the Vantage group. I
tried following the steps you outlined and have a few questions.
The subcontract operation we are trying to add comes in between parts
moving from one plant to another. I don't know if you have
experience with this or not, but would it be better to set the
subcontract in the plant that does the first operation or the plant
that does the final operation? Also, you mention setting the
subcontract OPs in the MOM as back-flush...where is this done? I see
where you can mark a part as backflush, but can you mark an operation
as such? Once all of this is done and you run MRP...will you get a
suggestion to open a job or just the PO?
Sorry for the seemingly stupid questions, but I am a self taught user
and sometimes the obvious isn't so obvious.

Thanks
Cindy
--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...>
wrote:
>
> First: Look at the job details and verify the OP is checked as
Subcontract. It is all too easy when creating or modifying a MoM to
robotically create what you intend to be a SubContract OP as a normal
OP.
>
> Second: Set up all your subcontract OPs in your MoMs as back-flush.
>
> Third (based on an assumption you are following vantage's
recommended path): It is advantageous to pre-create Standard
Operations (that effectively represent all your normal capacity
consumption combinations of resources and/or resources groups and/or
capabilities). This makes it very easy for an ME to create OPs for
methods by simply entering the standard OP and then adding specific
set up time & run rate info for the part. If you have tools/fixtures
set up as resources the ME may also manually add a specific tool or
fixture needed on the part's MoM OP to the resource list.
>
> For subcontract Standard OPs (which is indicated by checking
the 'subcontract' checkbox in the Operation maintenance app), you
want to have an approved vendor pre-associated with it. Even if it is
a subcontract service that you may have a choice of multiple vendors
for, you still want to have the Std OP refer to your typical primary
vendor for the subcontract service.
>
> Now, when you create a MoM with this Std OP, the vendor info flows
into the MoM with no additional effort.
>
> Creating a Job using this MoM then creates a back-flush labor entry
method SubContract OP that has an approved vendor associated with it.
>
> When Purchasing cuts a PO to fulfill the subcontract service
requirement, your Jobs WIP up to this OP is shipped to the vendor.
Upon Receipt, the OP will be qty reported complete in the same qty as
was received (and, if Inspection Required is indicated on the PO, by
the qty that passed inspection). This qty then flows back into Job
WIP - ready for the next OP to be processed.
>
> Easy? :)
>
> Rob Brown
>
> --- On Tue, 7/8/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...> wrote:
>
> From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...>
> Subject: [Vantage] Sub-Contract Operation In 8.03.305K
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 5:54 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Does anybody know how I close a sub-contract operation ? ( in other
> words I am expecting to see the little green tick in the op list ).
I
> am sure there is something I am doing wrong, but I can't see what.
>
> I believe this operation is also causing my scheduling to fall
over, as
> the job doesn't seem to schedule properly, but I get no error. On
that
> note, does anybody know why I see a red cube and not a blue cube in
the
> job scheduling board. This makes me suspicious!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Taylor
>
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Does anybody know how I close a sub-contract operation ? ( in other
words I am expecting to see the little green tick in the op list ). I
am sure there is something I am doing wrong, but I can't see what.

I believe this operation is also causing my scheduling to fall over, as
the job doesn't seem to schedule properly, but I get no error. On that
note, does anybody know why I see a red cube and not a blue cube in the
job scheduling board. This makes me suspicious!

Thanks,

Nick Taylor
3
Nick,



The only way to close a sub-contract operation is to receipt it in
complete under the PO that was created.



Dawn Balinski

Sr. Financial Analyst

Commercial Tool & Die, Inc.



P: (616) 785-5728

F: (616) 785-2955



________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of nmtaylor1969
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Sub-Contract Operation In 8.03.305K



Does anybody know how I close a sub-contract operation ? ( in other
words I am expecting to see the little green tick in the op list ). I
am sure there is something I am doing wrong, but I can't see what.

I believe this operation is also causing my scheduling to fall over, as
the job doesn't seem to schedule properly, but I get no error. On that
note, does anybody know why I see a red cube and not a blue cube in the
job scheduling board. This makes me suspicious!

Thanks,

Nick Taylor





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Nick;

Another common area is Inspection Processing. Almost every
Subcontract operation we have must go through inspection. When QA
passes the NC, they must check Issued Complete. Even if Receiving
marks it Received Complete, the flag does not follow when QA is
Passing the NC.

Thanks
Patty Buechler

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Dawn Balinski" <dawn.balinski@...>
wrote:
>
> Nick,
>
>
>
> The only way to close a sub-contract operation is to receipt it in
> complete under the PO that was created.
>
>
>
> Dawn Balinski
>
> Sr. Financial Analyst
>
> Commercial Tool & Die, Inc.
>
>
>
> P: (616) 785-5728
>
> F: (616) 785-2955
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of nmtaylor1969
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:55 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Sub-Contract Operation In 8.03.305K
>
>
>
> Does anybody know how I close a sub-contract operation ? ( in other
> words I am expecting to see the little green tick in the op list ).
I
> am sure there is something I am doing wrong, but I can't see what.
>
> I believe this operation is also causing my scheduling to fall
over, as
> the job doesn't seem to schedule properly, but I get no error. On
that
> note, does anybody know why I see a red cube and not a blue cube in
the
> job scheduling board. This makes me suspicious!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Taylor
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
5
Thanks Patty...

Like you, we also inspect sub-contract operations before releasing
them into the system. All the transactions appeared correct, but the
green tick against the operation had not appeared. We did not tick
the issue complete flag. I will need to amend our procedures to take
this into account. Does this get tricky if only part quantities are
received ?

We actually "closed" the operation off by re-scheduling it, and
checking the "production complete" check box within the move job form.

Its seems to be ok now...

Many thanks,

Nick

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "bpbuechler" <pbuechler@...> wrote:
>
> Nick;
>
> Another common area is Inspection Processing. Almost every
> Subcontract operation we have must go through inspection. When QA
> passes the NC, they must check Issued Complete. Even if Receiving
> marks it Received Complete, the flag does not follow when QA is
> Passing the NC.
>
> Thanks
> Patty Buechler
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Dawn Balinski" <dawn.balinski@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Nick,
> >
> >
> >
> > The only way to close a sub-contract operation is to receipt it in
> > complete under the PO that was created.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dawn Balinski
> >
> > Sr. Financial Analyst
> >
> > Commercial Tool & Die, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> > P: (616) 785-5728
> >
> > F: (616) 785-2955
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of nmtaylor1969
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:55 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Sub-Contract Operation In 8.03.305K
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anybody know how I close a sub-contract operation ? ( in
other
> > words I am expecting to see the little green tick in the op
list ).
> I
> > am sure there is something I am doing wrong, but I can't see what.
> >
> > I believe this operation is also causing my scheduling to fall
> over, as
> > the job doesn't seem to schedule properly, but I get no error. On
> that
> > note, does anybody know why I see a red cube and not a blue cube
in
> the
> > job scheduling board. This makes me suspicious!
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Nick Taylor
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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First: Look at the job details and verify the OP is checked as Subcontract. It is all too easy when creating or modifying a MoM to robotically create what you intend to be a SubContract OP as a normal OP.

Second: Set up all your subcontract OPs in your MoMs as back-flush.

Third (based on an assumption you are following vantage's recommended path): It is advantageous to pre-create Standard Operations (that effectively represent all your normal capacity consumption combinations of resources and/or resources groups and/or capabilities). This makes it very easy for an ME to create OPs for methods by simply entering the standard OP and then adding specific set up time & run rate info for the part. If you have tools/fixtures set up as resources the ME may also manually add a specific tool or fixture needed on the part's MoM OP to the resource list.

For subcontract Standard OPs (which is indicated by checking the 'subcontract' checkbox in the Operation maintenance app), you want to have an approved vendor pre-associated with it. Even if it is a subcontract service that you may have a choice of multiple vendors for, you still want to have the Std OP refer to your typical primary vendor for the subcontract service.

Now, when you create a MoM with this Std OP, the vendor info flows into the MoM with no additional effort.

Creating a Job using this MoM then creates a back-flush labor entry method SubContract OP that has an approved vendor associated with it.

When Purchasing cuts a PO to fulfill the subcontract service requirement, your Jobs WIP up to this OP is shipped to the vendor. Upon Receipt, the OP will be qty reported complete in the same qty as was received (and, if Inspection Required is indicated on the PO, by the qty that passed inspection). This qty then flows back into Job WIP - ready for the next OP to be processed.

Easy? :)

Rob Brown

--- On Tue, 7/8/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...> wrote:

From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Sub-Contract Operation In 8.03.305K
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 5:54 AM






Does anybody know how I close a sub-contract operation ? ( in other
words I am expecting to see the little green tick in the op list ). I
am sure there is something I am doing wrong, but I can't see what.

I believe this operation is also causing my scheduling to fall over, as
the job doesn't seem to schedule properly, but I get no error. On that
note, does anybody know why I see a red cube and not a blue cube in the
job scheduling board. This makes me suspicious!

Thanks,

Nick Taylor
7
Hmmm, I think I am going to have to read that one through about 10-
times ( With a cold beer in hand of course!! ) No doubt I will have
some more questions for you later... ;o)

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...>
wrote:
>
> First: Look at the job details and verify the OP is checked as
Subcontract. It is all too easy when creating or modifying a MoM to
robotically create what you intend to be a SubContract OP as a normal
OP.
>
> Second: Set up all your subcontract OPs in your MoMs as back-flush.
>
> Third (based on an assumption you are following vantage's
recommended path): It is advantageous to pre-create Standard
Operations (that effectively represent all your normal capacity
consumption combinations of resources and/or resources groups and/or
capabilities). This makes it very easy for an ME to create OPs for
methods by simply entering the standard OP and then adding specific
set up time & run rate info for the part. If you have tools/fixtures
set up as resources the ME may also manually add a specific tool or
fixture needed on the part's MoM OP to the resource list.
>
> For subcontract Standard OPs (which is indicated by checking
the 'subcontract' checkbox in the Operation maintenance app), you
want to have an approved vendor pre-associated with it. Even if it is
a subcontract service that you may have a choice of multiple vendors
for, you still want to have the Std OP refer to your typical primary
vendor for the subcontract service.
>
> Now, when you create a MoM with this Std OP, the vendor info flows
into the MoM with no additional effort.
>
> Creating a Job using this MoM then creates a back-flush labor entry
method SubContract OP that has an approved vendor associated with it.
>
> When Purchasing cuts a PO to fulfill the subcontract service
requirement, your Jobs WIP up to this OP is shipped to the vendor.
Upon Receipt, the OP will be qty reported complete in the same qty as
was received (and, if Inspection Required is indicated on the PO, by
the qty that passed inspection). This qty then flows back into Job
WIP - ready for the next OP to be processed.
>
> Easy? :)
>
> Rob Brown
>
> --- On Tue, 7/8/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...> wrote:
>
> From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...>
> Subject: [Vantage] Sub-Contract Operation In 8.03.305K
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 5:54 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Does anybody know how I close a sub-contract operation ? ( in other
> words I am expecting to see the little green tick in the op list ).
I
> am sure there is something I am doing wrong, but I can't see what.
>
> I believe this operation is also causing my scheduling to fall
over, as
> the job doesn't seem to schedule properly, but I get no error. On
that
> note, does anybody know why I see a red cube and not a blue cube in
the
> job scheduling board. This makes me suspicious!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Taylor
>