Sub-Survey for the day - Report Builder

system · October 17, 2006, 7:50pm

We don't have too many Report Builder reports to convert, but I got
curious and counted all of the User Defined Progress .w and .p
programs we have and the number is 1108. Some of these are from
back in '94, when we went live, and won't be converted.
It is one of my main concerns regarding the switch to 8.00.

Mark Olson
TEAM Industries
6.10.533

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Anderson" <todd.anderson@...>
wrote:

>
> Ok, so Pat has some 800 Progress reports to convert to Crystal if

he wants

> to go to V8.
>
> Can ANYONE even come close to that number of reports or does Pat

get the

> Blue Ribbon Award for the MOST prolific report writer on the list?
>
> :)
>
> Seriously though, how big of an issue is this for all of you?
>
> Todd Anderson
>

system · October 17, 2006, 9:34am

Ok, so Pat has some 800 Progress reports to convert to Crystal if he wants
to go to V8.

Can ANYONE even come close to that number of reports or does Pat get the
Blue Ribbon Award for the MOST prolific report writer on the list?

:)

Seriously though, how big of an issue is this for all of you?

Todd Anderson

system · October 17, 2006, 9:38am

He is probably the most prolific writer "OF ALL TIME"

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Subject: [Vantage] Sub-Survey for the day - Report Builder

Ok, so Pat has some 800 Progress reports to convert to Crystal if he
wants
to go to V8.

Can ANYONE even come close to that number of reports or does Pat get the
Blue Ribbon Award for the MOST prolific report writer on the list?

:)

Seriously though, how big of an issue is this for all of you?

Todd Anderson

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system · October 17, 2006, 10:33am

Todd
I have a measly 350 reports and it is a major issue with me. I also
have a major issue with OS. I have approximately 100-115 computers on
Win2K.
What I really want to know is how feasible is Terminal Services for
the V8. What would the requirements of the server for fifty TS users.
Several TS servers would be a lot less work and expense than upgrading
100+ computers.

Cliff

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Of Todd Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:33 AM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Sub-Survey for the day - Report Builder

Ok, so Pat has some 800 Progress reports to convert to Crystal if he
wants
to go to V8.

Can ANYONE even come close to that number of reports or does Pat get the
Blue Ribbon Award for the MOST prolific report writer on the list?

:)

Seriously though, how big of an issue is this for all of you?

Todd Anderson

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system · October 17, 2006, 10:43am

Ok, so Pat has some 800 Progress reports to convert to Crystal if he wants
to go to V8.

Can ANYONE even come close to that number of reports or does Pat get the
Blue Ribbon Award for the MOST prolific report writer on the list?

:)

Seriously though, how big of an issue is this for all of you?

800 makes our 30+ look like child's play!!

RG

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system · October 17, 2006, 10:52am

Not as many as Pat, but I have about 150 RB reports that run through AutoRpts unattended (approx 3-4 hrs a day of report running time). Its more because of this (not having to pay someone 3-4 hrs a day just to run reports) that we haven't took upgrading serious. I did add the function to schedule and run .P procedures to AutoRpts and have started converting several RB reports into this format. I also just recently had success running a Crystal Report through my AutoRpts program and am looking at adding this capability to it. Then I can convert the old RB reports to Crystal or Progress procedures and still have them run on schedule unattended. Then I can give serious thought to upgrading to 8. :)

As for hardware issues, I'm still running several 500 Mhz PIII's, but the average speed is about a 2.4 Ghz P4 w/512 RAM. Besides getting the pc's up to speed, I also have been focusing on boosting RAM to 1Gig or higher. So hardware isn't the major issue, its the loss of Report Builder that has been the biggest hangup.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Todd Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 8:33 AM
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Subject: [Vantage] Sub-Survey for the day - Report Builder

Ok, so Pat has some 800 Progress reports to convert to Crystal if he wants
to go to V8.

Can ANYONE even come close to that number of reports or does Pat get the
Blue Ribbon Award for the MOST prolific report writer on the list?

:)

Seriously though, how big of an issue is this for all of you?

Todd Anderson

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system · October 17, 2006, 10:56am

The advice I received from a reliable source at Epicor was one Terminal
Server per 15-20 users, don't skimp on RAM. I bought one server for 19
users for V8.03 but am still working on implementation so I can't speak
to performance yet. It better be adequate.

Todd

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Of Cliff Drumeller
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:26 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Sub-Survey for the day - Report Builder

Todd
I have a measly 350 reports and it is a major issue with me. I also
have a major issue with OS. I have approximately 100-115 computers on
Win2K.
What I really want to know is how feasible is Terminal Services for
the V8. What would the requirements of the server for fifty TS users.
Several TS servers would be a lot less work and expense than upgrading
100+ computers.

Cliff

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Behalf
Of Todd Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:33 AM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Sub-Survey for the day - Report Builder

Ok, so Pat has some 800 Progress reports to convert to Crystal if he
wants
to go to V8.

Can ANYONE even come close to that number of reports or does Pat get the
Blue Ribbon Award for the MOST prolific report writer on the list?

:)

Seriously though, how big of an issue is this for all of you?

Todd Anderson

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system · October 17, 2006, 11:01am

This is one thing that is not an issue for us. We currently do all our
reporting thru Access/ODBC. With 8.0 and advanced BAM and BAQ
functionality, we may convert more directly within vantage, but will
probably continue to use our Access stuff also.

system · October 17, 2006, 11:17am

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <sarah.vareschi@...> wrote:

>
> This is one thing that is not an issue for us. We currently do all

our

> reporting thru Access/ODBC. With 8.0 and advanced BAM and BAQ
> functionality, we may convert more directly within vantage, but will
> probably continue to use our Access stuff also.
>

I'm in a similar situation with Sarah. We only have about 10 or so
live Progress Report Builder reports, and those only exist because it
was the first report tool I learned. I have about 250 Crystal Reports
and dozens of Access DB's with various qty's of reports inside of each.

If you know Access it is a great way to get information to your users,
it is my preferred method for dealing with any complicated reports.

Brian Stenglein
Clow Stamping Co.

system · October 17, 2006, 11:21am

Shucks I feel like a piker at 791.

Shirley

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Ok, so Pat has some 800 Progress reports to convert to Crystal if he wants
to go to V8.

Can ANYONE even come close to that number of reports or does Pat get the
Blue Ribbon Award for the MOST prolific report writer on the list?

:)

Seriously though, how big of an issue is this for all of you?

Todd Anderson

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system · October 17, 2006, 11:23am

I feel like such a slacker. At last count around 650. But no more than 300 or so are actually on menus. The rest are like one I am testing right now...cloned from some other report to answer a specific one-off question. I never throw a report away. Of the 650 I suspect only 100 or so will make it to Crystal with the rest of the reports now on menus becoming dashboards or other means and the reamining one-time reports being re-worked only on an as needed basis. Also looking for VBI-CorVu to provide means for some of the "what if" questions.
-Todd C.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Todd Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 8:33 AM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Sub-Survey for the day - Report Builder

Ok, so Pat has some 800 Progress reports to convert to Crystal if he wants
to go to V8.

Can ANYONE even come close to that number of reports or does Pat get the
Blue Ribbon Award for the MOST prolific report writer on the list?

:)

Seriously though, how big of an issue is this for all of you?

Todd Anderson

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system · October 17, 2006, 11:41am

Brian,

Even though you do all your reports with crystal or Access/ODBC you are
not home free.

1) Reports created for a 6.1 database do not allow for all the field
width expansions in version 8.
2) Internal database design has changed for example multiple Resources
for a Resource Group.

Example: Reports such as a priority dispatch which looks forward or
backward in the job routing using
alias table joins may not be available in version 8 if your switching
from work centers only to Resources
and resource groups.

In addition to redoing reports don't forget dashboards, vbform fields,
vbform buttons which run .p files or popup message boxes.

I wish Version 8. would of added blank tabs where version 6. had VBForms
then converted your fields into 8 for you.

Patrick

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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Sub-Survey for the day - Report Builder

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
<sarah.vareschi@...> wrote:

>
> This is one thing that is not an issue for us. We currently do all

our

> reporting thru Access/ODBC. With 8.0 and advanced BAM and BAQ
> functionality, we may convert more directly within vantage, but will
> probably continue to use our Access stuff also.
>

I'm in a similar situation with Sarah. We only have about 10 or so
live Progress Report Builder reports, and those only exist because it
was the first report tool I learned. I have about 250 Crystal Reports
and dozens of Access DB's with various qty's of reports inside of each.

If you know Access it is a great way to get information to your users,
it is my preferred method for dealing with any complicated reports.

Brian Stenglein
Clow Stamping Co.

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system · October 17, 2006, 11:52am

Call me mean.
We have maybe 150. But only 25 have made it to the menu. When I got here 2
years ago I came with the full knowledge that RB was going away and I have
been very resistant to building RB reports and putting them on the menu. I
have built a bunch of BAQs, BAMs and several ODBC reports that have replaced
the need for most RB reports. I have not relied much on Crystal either just
because.
I have been trying to use the RB demise to help position the company for the
upgrade. So it's an issue to us, but noting like replacing 800. I have
much more concern about hardware and the interface change.
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

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system · October 17, 2006, 12:10pm

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <sarah.vareschi@...> wrote:

>
> This is one thing that is not an issue for us. We currently do all

our

> reporting thru Access/ODBC. With 8.0 and advanced BAM and BAQ
> functionality, we may convert more directly within vantage, but will
> probably continue to use our Access stuff also.
>

I'm in a similar situation with Sarah. We only have about 10 or so
live Progress Report Builder reports, and those only exist because it
was the first report tool I learned. I have about 250 Crystal Reports
and dozens of Access DB's with various qty's of reports inside of each.

If you know Access it is a great way to get information to your users,
it is my preferred method for dealing with any complicated reports.

Brian Stenglein
Clow Stamping Co.

system · October 17, 2006, 12:13pm

Believe me, I know I'm not home free, but at least my reporting
platforms are not going to change significantly and I probably won't
have to re-write everything from scratch.

Brian

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Winter, Patrick" <pjw@...> wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> Even though you do all your reports with crystal or Access/ODBC you
are
> not home free.
>
> 1) Reports created for a 6.1 database do not allow for all the field
> width expansions in version 8.
> 2) Internal database design has changed for example multiple
Resources
> for a Resource Group.
>
> Example: Reports such as a priority dispatch which looks forward or
> backward in the job routing using
> alias table joins may not be available in version 8 if your
switching
> from work centers only to Resources
> and resource groups.
>
> In addition to redoing reports don't forget dashboards, vbform
fields,
> vbform buttons which run .p files or popup message boxes.
>
> I wish Version 8. would of added blank tabs where version 6. had
VBForms
> then converted your fields into 8 for you.
>
> Patrick
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Brian Stenglein
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:12 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Sub-Survey for the day - Report Builder
>
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> <sarah.vareschi@> wrote:
> >
> > This is one thing that is not an issue for us. We currently do
all
> our
> > reporting thru Access/ODBC. With 8.0 and advanced BAM and BAQ
> > functionality, we may convert more directly within vantage, but
will
> > probably continue to use our Access stuff also.
> >
>
> I'm in a similar situation with Sarah. We only have about 10 or so
> live Progress Report Builder reports, and those only exist because
it
> was the first report tool I learned. I have about 250 Crystal
Reports
> and dozens of Access DB's with various qty's of reports inside of
each.
>
> If you know Access it is a great way to get information to your
users,
> it is my preferred method for dealing with any complicated reports.
>
> Brian Stenglein
> Clow Stamping Co.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient,
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system · October 17, 2006, 12:46pm

Todd,

As a new Epicor/Vantage customer I don't have report builder reports to
convert. However, I do have 400+ reports from our custom in-house written
system to recreate in Crystal/Vantage. Not as many as others have, but
still enough to be painful.

Dan Snyder
IT Manager
Mercury Electronics
717-428-0222 ext.224

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Cliff Drumeller
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:26 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Sub-Survey for the day - Report Builder

Todd
I have a measly 350 reports and it is a major issue with me. I also have
a major issue with OS. I have approximately 100-115 computers on Win2K.
What I really want to know is how feasible is Terminal Services for the
V8. What would the requirements of the server for fifty TS users.
Several TS servers would be a lot less work and expense than upgrading
100+ computers.

Cliff

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:33 AM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Sub-Survey for the day - Report Builder

Ok, so Pat has some 800 Progress reports to convert to Crystal if he wants
to go to V8.

Can ANYONE even come close to that number of reports or does Pat get the
Blue Ribbon Award for the MOST prolific report writer on the list?

:)

Seriously though, how big of an issue is this for all of you?

Todd Anderson

system · October 17, 2006, 2:16pm

I was wondering how many of those hundreds people actually used.

Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

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Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:21 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Sub-Survey for the day - Report Builder

I feel like such a slacker. At last count around 650. But no more than
300 or so are actually on menus. The rest are like one I am testing
right now...cloned from some other report to answer a specific one-off
question. I never throw a report away. Of the 650 I suspect only 100 or
so will make it to Crystal with the rest of the reports now on menus
becoming dashboards or other means and the reamining one-time reports
being re-worked only on an as needed basis. Also looking for VBI-CorVu
to provide means for some of the "what if" questions.
-Todd C.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]On
Behalf Of Todd Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 8:33 AM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Sub-Survey for the day - Report Builder

Ok, so Pat has some 800 Progress reports to convert to Crystal if he
wants
to go to V8.

Can ANYONE even come close to that number of reports or does Pat get the
Blue Ribbon Award for the MOST prolific report writer on the list?

:)

Seriously though, how big of an issue is this for all of you?

Todd Anderson

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