Terminal Server for Handheld MES

Scott,

We've installed terminal services and handhelds on the Vantage server in many locations. So long as your user numbers are not outrageous, it will work just fine.

The difference between the "out of the box" RDP sessions and the one that Epicor suggests (the actual correct way) is the one that comes with the server is ONLY used by administrators - called remote administration mode - and those users in that group. I doubt seriously that anyone would want to put a handheld user(s) in this group. The only way to actually get the handhelds working is to install Terminal Services in what is called "application services mode" and this requires terminal server CALs (separate from Windows CALs - you need those too...). You have to buy TS CALs, but Microsoft will allow you to evaluate for 120 days and then after that you will not be able to access the terminal server. They are cheap ~$80/user or so.

When you install it you receive that message about some programs may not work - and while you should use precaution in doing this, it will install and function just fine. After this, you will want to install new applications by first opening a command prompt and typing "change user /install" this will allow any programs being installed to be accessed by all users. When you're finished you can either reboot the system or type "change user /execute" - most of the time a reboot is recommended.

Hope this helps.

Jason Claggett
Microsoft Small Business Specialist
MCP #3856159
2W Technologies, LLC
312.533.4033 x8039
jason@...<mailto:jason@...>



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Looking for some help on installing Terminal Server. We purchased the Handheld module, purchase a Symbol MC-9090 and I have the handhelp communicating with our wireless network. Now I want to install Terminal Server on the Vantage Server but I chose Terminal Server in Add/Remove Windows Components and I get the following message

"Program Installation: If you continue with this installation, programs that are already installed on your server will no longer work and will have to be reinstalled. You must use Add or Remove Programs in Control Panel whenever you install programs to use on a Terminal Server."

This scared me enough to stop. I have never installed or used Terminal Server (besides RDP) in this capacity so I am curious if I can continue and Vantage will still be accessible by others or do I need to run Terminal Server on a seperate server.

Scott
Are you not able to rdp into that box now? On my server (that I'm RDP'd
into now DOES NOT have Terminal Server installed either but I'm still
remotely logged in.

I *think* that Terminal Server you're seeing is for a *dedicated* TS. I
am almost certain with Windows 2003 server you have 2 logins for TS by
default.

The safest way to run the handhelds is to have a dedicated terminal
server box and NOT run it directly on the Vantage server. You don't
need much horsepower on the TS box to run a couple clients (handhelds).
I've set them up in the past with "hand-me-down" desktop PC's with
Windows Server installed on it and 2 GB of RAM.

Try going to START --> Run and type in MSTSC and hit [Enter]

Type in your server name and see what happens.

But again, in a perfect world, have a separate TS box setup with the
Vantage client installed.



Vic


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Litzau
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:59 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Terminal Server for Handheld MES

Looking for some help on installing Terminal Server. We purchased the
Handheld module, purchase a Symbol MC-9090 and I have the handhelp
communicating with our wireless network. Now I want to install Terminal
Server on the Vantage Server but I chose Terminal Server in Add/Remove
Windows Components and I get the following message

"Program Installation: If you continue with this installation, programs
that are already installed on your server will no longer work and will
have to be reinstalled. You must use Add or Remove Programs in Control
Panel whenever you install programs to use on a Terminal Server."

This scared me enough to stop. I have never installed or used Terminal
Server (besides RDP) in this capacity so I am curious if I can continue
and Vantage will still be accessible by others or do I need to run
Terminal Server on a seperate server.

Scott



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(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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Vic,

I can RDP but Epicor makes it seem like you have to run Terminal Server in order to make this work. I am going to go down the RDP route for now. Anyway, so I am able to RDP in, I can start MES Handheld on the Symbol scanner. The main screen is visible but when I go into another screen, say Inventory Move, that screen is half off the handheld and I can't seem to drag it to the middle of the screen. I checked the resolution and I can’t seem to make any changes there. Epicor has no documentation on this except the "add -HH" to the MES shortcut. Very frustrating.

Scott


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vic Drecchio
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server for Handheld MES

Are you not able to rdp into that box now? On my server (that I'm RDP'd
into now DOES NOT have Terminal Server installed either but I'm still
remotely logged in.

I *think* that Terminal Server you're seeing is for a *dedicated* TS. I
am almost certain with Windows 2003 server you have 2 logins for TS by
default.

The safest way to run the handhelds is to have a dedicated terminal
server box and NOT run it directly on the Vantage server. You don't
need much horsepower on the TS box to run a couple clients (handhelds).
I've set them up in the past with "hand-me-down" desktop PC's with
Windows Server installed on it and 2 GB of RAM.

Try going to START --> Run and type in MSTSC and hit [Enter]

Type in your server name and see what happens.

But again, in a perfect world, have a separate TS box setup with the
Vantage client installed.



Vic


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Litzau
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:59 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Terminal Server for Handheld MES

Looking for some help on installing Terminal Server. We purchased the
Handheld module, purchase a Symbol MC-9090 and I have the handhelp
communicating with our wireless network. Now I want to install Terminal
Server on the Vantage Server but I chose Terminal Server in Add/Remove
Windows Components and I get the following message

"Program Installation: If you continue with this installation, programs
that are already installed on your server will no longer work and will
have to be reinstalled. You must use Add or Remove Programs in Control
Panel whenever you install programs to use on a Terminal Server."

This scared me enough to stop. I have never installed or used Terminal
Server (besides RDP) in this capacity so I am curious if I can continue
and Vantage will still be accessible by others or do I need to run
Terminal Server on a seperate server.

Scott



------------------------------------

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links





------------------------------------

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
Scott, check the files section of our forum here. I added a bunch of
documentation that may help you.

RDP will work fine. I'm assuming you have an Intermec or Symbol MC9090
series PDA scanner running Win Mobile.

As long as you can RDP from the scanner to the server, you're fine. You
don't need to install anything else. (this was my forte when consulting
with Epicor)

So you already know about the -HH switch. All UI screens for the HH
module should fit just fine in the limited area of the screen.

Under the "Barcoding" section of this group's webpage check out the
"Symbol MC9090G Setup.zip" even if you have an Intermec. Many of the
Windows UI settings apply with either scanner.

Good luck.


Vic


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Litzau
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 2:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server for Handheld MES

Vic,

I can RDP but Epicor makes it seem like you have to run Terminal Server
in order to make this work. I am going to go down the RDP route for now.
Anyway, so I am able to RDP in, I can start MES Handheld on the Symbol
scanner. The main screen is visible but when I go into another screen,
say Inventory Move, that screen is half off the handheld and I can't
seem to drag it to the middle of the screen. I checked the resolution
and I can't seem to make any changes there. Epicor has no documentation
on this except the "add -HH" to the MES shortcut. Very frustrating.

Scott


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Vic Drecchio
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server for Handheld MES

Are you not able to rdp into that box now? On my server (that I'm RDP'd
into now DOES NOT have Terminal Server installed either but I'm still
remotely logged in.

I *think* that Terminal Server you're seeing is for a *dedicated* TS. I
am almost certain with Windows 2003 server you have 2 logins for TS by
default.

The safest way to run the handhelds is to have a dedicated terminal
server box and NOT run it directly on the Vantage server. You don't
need much horsepower on the TS box to run a couple clients (handhelds).
I've set them up in the past with "hand-me-down" desktop PC's with
Windows Server installed on it and 2 GB of RAM.

Try going to START --> Run and type in MSTSC and hit [Enter]

Type in your server name and see what happens.

But again, in a perfect world, have a separate TS box setup with the
Vantage client installed.



Vic


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Litzau
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:59 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Terminal Server for Handheld MES

Looking for some help on installing Terminal Server. We purchased the
Handheld module, purchase a Symbol MC-9090 and I have the handhelp
communicating with our wireless network. Now I want to install Terminal
Server on the Vantage Server but I chose Terminal Server in Add/Remove
Windows Components and I get the following message

"Program Installation: If you continue with this installation, programs
that are already installed on your server will no longer work and will
have to be reinstalled. You must use Add or Remove Programs in Control
Panel whenever you install programs to use on a Terminal Server."

This scared me enough to stop. I have never installed or used Terminal
Server (besides RDP) in this capacity so I am curious if I can continue
and Vantage will still be accessible by others or do I need to run
Terminal Server on a seperate server.

Scott



------------------------------------

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links





------------------------------------

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links






------------------------------------

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
Vic,

Will do. Thanks

Scott


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Vic Drecchio
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server for Handheld MES

Scott, check the files section of our forum here. I added a bunch of
documentation that may help you.

RDP will work fine. I'm assuming you have an Intermec or Symbol MC9090
series PDA scanner running Win Mobile.

As long as you can RDP from the scanner to the server, you're fine. You
don't need to install anything else. (this was my forte when consulting
with Epicor)

So you already know about the -HH switch. All UI screens for the HH
module should fit just fine in the limited area of the screen.

Under the "Barcoding" section of this group's webpage check out the
"Symbol MC9090G Setup.zip" even if you have an Intermec. Many of the
Windows UI settings apply with either scanner.

Good luck.


Vic


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Litzau
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 2:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server for Handheld MES

Vic,

I can RDP but Epicor makes it seem like you have to run Terminal Server
in order to make this work. I am going to go down the RDP route for now.
Anyway, so I am able to RDP in, I can start MES Handheld on the Symbol
scanner. The main screen is visible but when I go into another screen,
say Inventory Move, that screen is half off the handheld and I can't
seem to drag it to the middle of the screen. I checked the resolution
and I can't seem to make any changes there. Epicor has no documentation
on this except the "add -HH" to the MES shortcut. Very frustrating.

Scott


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Vic Drecchio
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server for Handheld MES

Are you not able to rdp into that box now? On my server (that I'm RDP'd
into now DOES NOT have Terminal Server installed either but I'm still
remotely logged in.

I *think* that Terminal Server you're seeing is for a *dedicated* TS. I
am almost certain with Windows 2003 server you have 2 logins for TS by
default.

The safest way to run the handhelds is to have a dedicated terminal
server box and NOT run it directly on the Vantage server. You don't
need much horsepower on the TS box to run a couple clients (handhelds).
I've set them up in the past with "hand-me-down" desktop PC's with
Windows Server installed on it and 2 GB of RAM.

Try going to START --> Run and type in MSTSC and hit [Enter]

Type in your server name and see what happens.

But again, in a perfect world, have a separate TS box setup with the
Vantage client installed.



Vic


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Litzau
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:59 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Terminal Server for Handheld MES

Looking for some help on installing Terminal Server. We purchased the
Handheld module, purchase a Symbol MC-9090 and I have the handhelp
communicating with our wireless network. Now I want to install Terminal
Server on the Vantage Server but I chose Terminal Server in Add/Remove
Windows Components and I get the following message

"Program Installation: If you continue with this installation, programs
that are already installed on your server will no longer work and will
have to be reinstalled. You must use Add or Remove Programs in Control
Panel whenever you install programs to use on a Terminal Server."

This scared me enough to stop. I have never installed or used Terminal
Server (besides RDP) in this capacity so I am curious if I can continue
and Vantage will still be accessible by others or do I need to run
Terminal Server on a seperate server.

Scott



------------------------------------

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links





------------------------------------

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links






------------------------------------

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links





------------------------------------

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links