Tool files

We use "Tooling Kits" which are simply Subassemblies with it's
own BOM. I also have two operations in the Tool Kit Subassembly. Op
10 Perishable Tools, and Op 20 Durable Tools. Then the tooling
"materials" are linked to which sequence operation number for which they
belong, tooling holders and collets,etc. are linked to the op 20 Durable
Tools, drills, blades, inserts, form tools , etc., are linked to op 10
Perishable Tools.


When it is a subassembly, then it can also be schedule because
the parent part/job is scheduled. It works rather nicely...

Rick Joslin
V-S Industries
Hello Everyone:
Please let me know if you have a procedure that addresses the following manufacturing issue. Many of our manufacturing operations require specific tools, dies and fixtures to perform. These various tools have tool numbers which are listed in the comments of each operation. These tools are cataloged using a paper file which lists all tool specifications but does not indicate what part/operations they are used on. We would like to ues a tool file within Vantage if possible, similar to Work Center Master that would allow us to store and maintain various tool data but more importantly would allow us to do a "Tool Where Used". Currently, we are relying on our set-up personnel's memory should we wish to alter a tool for a new part requirement.
Thank You,


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We are in the same boat but with a few tweaks it has never been critical enough to be an issue. But in discussing your questions with our process engineers I can see where there would be definite benefits to having a "tooling resource" capability.

First, for the vast majority of our tooling there is a 1-for-1 relation to the specific part so we have tooling sets identified with a tool number. This number (as it happens starts with the letter A on all of them so they are called "A numbers" here) is the first part of the part description. This also makes it the search word in a part lookup. We use customer part numbers as our selling part but internally the A number is our own part number because of the association with the tool set. Tools are numbered with little brass or aluminum plates with the number and if there are multiple stage tools for different operations that are -1, -2, -3, etc... and the setup people know which to grab for each oper sequence and they are all stored together on shelves for a-number ranges (like a library).

We also have the situation where we "borrow" tools. In this case the A-number is noted (as you suggest) in the oper comments. Often we have a tool used on one part that "fits" another application (if the sales engineer is smart that day they think of it and build it in to the pricing). To track usage of borrowed tools we maintain a card file by A-number. If we wanted a Vantage report for "where used " then a standardized commenting procedure would work (with RB anyway, Crystal chokes on memo fields). The key would be 100% compliance with the recording scheme so it can be parsed out of the string.

Finally we have stock tooling. This has no identification like a tool number but rather is stored and referenced by attributes (radius, depth, dimensions, etc...). This is especially true in the case of simple bending tools for press brake operations. These are referenced in the oper comments as with borrowed tools. But the process engineers thought we could "stock" this tooling as a material to be used a job with a qty per of .000001 and then issue qty 1 to it. The remainder to be returned to "inventory". I have seen this approach discussed a few times but am not sure what impact this would have on our accounting people or job costs. I would for sure mean ignoring a lot of very small numbers here and there. On the other hand they though the "usage" (with some playing with decimal places) could indicate stock tool usage and recommend tool replacement or repair cycles. At the very least if a tool broke you could look and see what parts (or even scheduled jobs) would be impacted via material "where used" reports.

Bottom line is we think the issues could be addressed with Vantage as it now is but clumsily. A facility for non-consumable interchangeable resources (like tooling) would certainly be handy. It would have to wait for beyond 8.0 (even past 8.x all the way to 9). In the mean time there are some things at 8.0 (when it is usable) that could make it a snap to do via user fields and form customizations at the BOM oper level. If this is so it might never become a Vantage, table based, capability.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:20 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] TOOL FILES


Hello Everyone:
Please let me know if you have a procedure that addresses the following manufacturing issue. Many of our manufacturing operations require specific tools, dies and fixtures to perform. These various tools have tool numbers which are listed in the comments of each operation. These tools are cataloged using a paper file which lists all tool specifications but does not indicate what part/operations they are used on. We would like to ues a tool file within Vantage if possible, similar to Work Center Master that would allow us to store and maintain various tool data but more importantly would allow us to do a "Tool Where Used". Currently, we are relying on our set-up personnel's memory should we wish to alter a tool for a new part requirement.
Thank You,


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One option is to list your tools and fixtures in the part master at a zero
cost, in a "tooling warehouse", with a tooling part class. Then call them
out as materials on the manufacturing BOM's, associated to the operation
that uses them, with a .00001 fixed quantity (negligible quantity so no
issuing and receiving). This also allows attaching tool drawings or
specifications to the tool part numbers, and using the where-used feature.
It's not perfect, but it works OK.

In 8.0, you can still do this, but you have the alternative option of
listing your tools as resources. I believe this is the direction we will
eventually head, but for now we continue to work with them as I describe
above.

Amy O'Malley
Manufacturing Process Engineer
Synovis Interventional Solutions
v. 8.00.804

On 17 Nov 2005, Robert Christian wrote:
> Hello Everyone:
> Please let me know if you have a procedure that addresses the following
> manufacturing issue. Many of our manufacturing operations require
specific
> tools, dies and fixtures to perform. These various tools have tool
numbers
> which are listed in the comments of each operation. These tools are
cataloged
> using a paper file which lists all tool specifications but does not
indicate
> what part/operations they are used on. We would like to ues a tool file
> within Vantage if possible, similar to Work Center Master that would
allow us
> to store and maintain various tool data but more importantly would allow
us
> to do a "Tool Where Used". Currently, we are relying on our set-up
> personnel's memory should we wish to alter a tool for a new part
requirement.
> Thank You,
Thanks Todd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:18 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] TOOL FILES


> We are in the same boat but with a few tweaks it has never been critical
enough to be an issue. But in discussing your questions with our process
engineers I can see where there would be definite benefits to having a
"tooling resource" capability.
>
> First, for the vast majority of our tooling there is a 1-for-1 relation to
the specific part so we have tooling sets identified with a tool number.
This number (as it happens starts with the letter A on all of them so they
are called "A numbers" here) is the first part of the part description.
This also makes it the search word in a part lookup. We use customer part
numbers as our selling part but internally the A number is our own part
number because of the association with the tool set. Tools are numbered
with little brass or aluminum plates with the number and if there are
multiple stage tools for different operations that are -1, -2, -3, etc...
and the setup people know which to grab for each oper sequence and they are
all stored together on shelves for a-number ranges (like a library).
>
> We also have the situation where we "borrow" tools. In this case the
A-number is noted (as you suggest) in the oper comments. Often we have a
tool used on one part that "fits" another application (if the sales engineer
is smart that day they think of it and build it in to the pricing). To
track usage of borrowed tools we maintain a card file by A-number. If we
wanted a Vantage report for "where used " then a standardized commenting
procedure would work (with RB anyway, Crystal chokes on memo fields). The
key would be 100% compliance with the recording scheme so it can be parsed
out of the string.
>
> Finally we have stock tooling. This has no identification like a tool
number but rather is stored and referenced by attributes (radius, depth,
dimensions, etc...). This is especially true in the case of simple bending
tools for press brake operations. These are referenced in the oper comments
as with borrowed tools. But the process engineers thought we could "stock"
this tooling as a material to be used a job with a qty per of .000001 and
then issue qty 1 to it. The remainder to be returned to "inventory". I
have seen this approach discussed a few times but am not sure what impact
this would have on our accounting people or job costs. I would for sure
mean ignoring a lot of very small numbers here and there. On the other hand
they though the "usage" (with some playing with decimal places) could
indicate stock tool usage and recommend tool replacement or repair cycles.
At the very least if a tool broke you could look and see what parts (or even
scheduled jobs) would be impacted via material "where used" reports.
>
> Bottom line is we think the issues could be addressed with Vantage as it
now is but clumsily. A facility for non-consumable interchangeable
resources (like tooling) would certainly be handy. It would have to wait
for beyond 8.0 (even past 8.x all the way to 9). In the mean time there are
some things at 8.0 (when it is usable) that could make it a snap to do via
user fields and form customizations at the BOM oper level. If this is so it
might never become a Vantage, table based, capability.
>
> -Todd C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Robert Christian
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:20 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] TOOL FILES
>
>
> Hello Everyone:
> Please let me know if you have a procedure that addresses the following
manufacturing issue. Many of our manufacturing operations require specific
tools, dies and fixtures to perform. These various tools have tool numbers
which are listed in the comments of each operation. These tools are
cataloged using a paper file which lists all tool specifications but does
not indicate what part/operations they are used on. We would like to ues a
tool file within Vantage if possible, similar to Work Center Master that
would allow us to store and maintain various tool data but more importantly
would allow us to do a "Tool Where Used". Currently, we are relying on our
set-up personnel's memory should we wish to alter a tool for a new part
requirement.
> Thank You,
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