I agree wholeheartedly with Todd on this action.
I really wish we had spent a little more time with the upgrade from 5.2
to 6.1. 6.1 was touted as the CRM release. What we failed to look at
was the impact on Engineering & Workflow. Since we did not have CRM, we
treated not too differently from a patch. Everything worked out ok,
luckily. We just needed to scramble a little on a Monday morning to get
Engineering functioning.
We would most definitely not have been so lucky if 8.0 / 8.03 was
treated the same.
Bruce Butler
IT Manager
Knappe & Koester, Inc.
_____
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 3:18 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Upgrading to 6.1
Try these PDF files out. If you need more you can browse arond
ftp://ftpmpls.epicor.com/ <ftp://ftpmpls.epicor.com/> (login with your
EpicWeb login). Note Vantage 6.x is often burried under Mfg6 type
naming.
As for going to 8.x....this jump from 5.2 to 6.10 will be trivial
compared to that. Plan on spending maybe a year or so in that upgrde
process. Not just the mechanics but analyzing the changes and new
features and planning how to best implement them. A lof of decisions
have to be made before you start because you will be locked in to them
for a long time. Like a carpenter...measure twice, cut once...so..think
twice, do once. 90% of the trouble people have with 8.x is due to not
understanding it and rushing in....that and epicor's really poor upgrade
documentation that starts with ...Step 1...schedule an Epicor
consultant. For us D.I.Y. people that won't fly.
-Todd
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]On
Behalf Of Hernandez, Dolores
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:22 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Upgrading to 6.1
I really do appreciate all your input. That is what I love about this
group....very responsive. I am new to Vantage and Progress, therefore,
I am extremely glad that we are taking baby steps in upgrading to 8.03
and we will be doing that in the not too distant future. This upgrading
is allowing me to learn a lot for our jump to 8.03. Again, thanks to
everyone.
________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of Gitzlaff, Christopher
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:03 PM
To: vantage
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Upgrading to 6.1
Paul:
This is not criticism - just my opinion: I think you should respect the
question that is being asked. Perhaps you could provide some reasons
why you think they should upgrade to 8.03 instead of 6.1. Have you
considered that not everyone has the time or resources to upgrade to
machines capable of running Vantage 8? In the meantime, 6.1 is a nice
step from 5.2 and it will make their conversion to 8 (if they choose to
do so) easier. In addition, I believe both 6.1 and 5.2 use Progress
9.1D. Less to install / upgrade.
Dolores:
I would upgrade to the latest Vantage 6.1 patch unless someone tells you
about a specific problem that affects you. We are on 6.1 patch 535 (not
the latest). This was the latest when we went to 6.1. Everything we
use Vantage for works fine - there was no reason for us to install
additional patches.
Chris Gitzlaff
Major Industries
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul V. Blais [mailto: pblais@lavignemfg.
<mailto:pblais%40lavignemfg.com> com
<mailto:pblais%40lavignemfg.com> ]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:12 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Upgrading to 6.1
DON'T DO IT. What aren't you going to go up to 8.03?
From: vantage@... [mailto:vantage@...] On
Behalf
Of Hernandez, Dolores
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:08 PM
To: vantage@...
Subject: [Vantage] Upgrading to 6.1
Hello All,
We are currently on 5.2 and will be going to 6.1 in a couple of weeks
and I wanted to ask you all what would be the latest safe patch we
should apply for 6.1. Thanks in advance for your help.
____________-________
Dolores Hernandez
IT Department
Energy Cranes, LLC
713-896-5178
dhernandez@energycr <mailto:dhernandez%40energycr-anes.com> -anes.com
<mailto:dhernandez%40energycr-anes.com>
<mailto:dhernandez%-40energycranes.-com>
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I really wish we had spent a little more time with the upgrade from 5.2
to 6.1. 6.1 was touted as the CRM release. What we failed to look at
was the impact on Engineering & Workflow. Since we did not have CRM, we
treated not too differently from a patch. Everything worked out ok,
luckily. We just needed to scramble a little on a Monday morning to get
Engineering functioning.
We would most definitely not have been so lucky if 8.0 / 8.03 was
treated the same.
Bruce Butler
IT Manager
Knappe & Koester, Inc.
_____
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 3:18 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Upgrading to 6.1
Try these PDF files out. If you need more you can browse arond
ftp://ftpmpls.epicor.com/ <ftp://ftpmpls.epicor.com/> (login with your
EpicWeb login). Note Vantage 6.x is often burried under Mfg6 type
naming.
As for going to 8.x....this jump from 5.2 to 6.10 will be trivial
compared to that. Plan on spending maybe a year or so in that upgrde
process. Not just the mechanics but analyzing the changes and new
features and planning how to best implement them. A lof of decisions
have to be made before you start because you will be locked in to them
for a long time. Like a carpenter...measure twice, cut once...so..think
twice, do once. 90% of the trouble people have with 8.x is due to not
understanding it and rushing in....that and epicor's really poor upgrade
documentation that starts with ...Step 1...schedule an Epicor
consultant. For us D.I.Y. people that won't fly.
-Todd
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]On
Behalf Of Hernandez, Dolores
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:22 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Upgrading to 6.1
I really do appreciate all your input. That is what I love about this
group....very responsive. I am new to Vantage and Progress, therefore,
I am extremely glad that we are taking baby steps in upgrading to 8.03
and we will be doing that in the not too distant future. This upgrading
is allowing me to learn a lot for our jump to 8.03. Again, thanks to
everyone.
________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of Gitzlaff, Christopher
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:03 PM
To: vantage
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Upgrading to 6.1
Paul:
This is not criticism - just my opinion: I think you should respect the
question that is being asked. Perhaps you could provide some reasons
why you think they should upgrade to 8.03 instead of 6.1. Have you
considered that not everyone has the time or resources to upgrade to
machines capable of running Vantage 8? In the meantime, 6.1 is a nice
step from 5.2 and it will make their conversion to 8 (if they choose to
do so) easier. In addition, I believe both 6.1 and 5.2 use Progress
9.1D. Less to install / upgrade.
Dolores:
I would upgrade to the latest Vantage 6.1 patch unless someone tells you
about a specific problem that affects you. We are on 6.1 patch 535 (not
the latest). This was the latest when we went to 6.1. Everything we
use Vantage for works fine - there was no reason for us to install
additional patches.
Chris Gitzlaff
Major Industries
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul V. Blais [mailto: pblais@lavignemfg.
<mailto:pblais%40lavignemfg.com> com
<mailto:pblais%40lavignemfg.com> ]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:12 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Upgrading to 6.1
DON'T DO IT. What aren't you going to go up to 8.03?
From: vantage@... [mailto:vantage@...] On
Behalf
Of Hernandez, Dolores
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:08 PM
To: vantage@...
Subject: [Vantage] Upgrading to 6.1
Hello All,
We are currently on 5.2 and will be going to 6.1 in a couple of weeks
and I wanted to ask you all what would be the latest safe patch we
should apply for 6.1. Thanks in advance for your help.
____________-________
Dolores Hernandez
IT Department
Energy Cranes, LLC
713-896-5178
dhernandez@energycr <mailto:dhernandez%40energycr-anes.com> -anes.com
<mailto:dhernandez%40energycr-anes.com>
<mailto:dhernandez%-40energycranes.-com>
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