# V 5.0 upgrade
**Category:** [Yahoo Archive](https://www.epiusers.help/c/yahoo-archive/9)
**Created:** 2001-03-23 09:56 UTC
**Views:** 813
**Replies:** 27
**URL:** https://www.epiusers.help/t/v-5-0-upgrade/2473
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## Post #1 by @system
Hi John,
Interesting comments!
JFI.....
Over here in the UK we only have about 60 Vantage
users with no more than half dozen on V3, and as far
as I'm aware no-one live yet on V5 - we're all
watching you guys!!!!. There is some similar concern
over here since many users are small jobshops -
exactly the reason why they bought Vantage in the
first place, although medium size companies like
ourselves are looking forward to the coming
enhancements with V5/5.1
Mike Kerwin
Business Support Manager
Cooper Crouse-Hinds(UK)Ltd
mike.kerwin@...
+44 (0)1795 586339
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johnmemjr@... wrote: > Does anyone
have any stats on how many people are
> still running 3.0 to 4.0 to
> 5.0. I know I am still running 3.0 and it is OK. I
> really have no desire to
> upgrade to another release, have the employees lose
> confidence in Vantage
> product, Epicor as a company, and myself as an IT
> professional who
> recommended this product.
>
> I feel that Epicor is falling down on the job. If I
> shipped machinery to
> customers who had this many problems, I would be out
> of business in less than
> 1 year.
>
> John Memmelaar
> Royal Master Grinders, Inc.
>
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or your free @... address at
http://mail.yahoo.ieDoes anyone have any specs on how many customers are running V 3.0, V 4.0,
and V 5.0 ?
I'm curious how many companies are actually 'Live' on each version. It
seems like many people have installed V 5.0 on test machines for the purpose
of kicking the tires and have not yet installed it on their live systems.
Thanks,
Todd Anderson
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## Post #3 by @system
We have 5.0 on a project server and practiced a little bit waiting for the
majority of "bugs" to be ironed out before going "live".
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Anderson [SMTP:tanderson@...]
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:55 PM
> To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: [Vantage] V 5.0 upgrade
>
> Does anyone have any specs on how many customers are running V 3.0, V 4.0,
> and V 5.0 ?
>
> I'm curious how many companies are actually 'Live' on each version. It
> seems like many people have installed V 5.0 on test machines for the
> purpose
> of kicking the tires and have not yet installed it on their live systems.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Todd Anderson
>
>
> To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
We went live on 5.0 Feb 10th.
Ron Newell
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:
tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:55 PM
To: '
vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] V 5.0 upgrade
Does anyone have any specs on how many customers are running V 3.0, V 4.0,
and V 5.0 ?
I'm curious how many companies are actually 'Live' on each version. It
seems like many people have installed V 5.0 on test machines for the purpose
of kicking the tires and have not yet installed it on their live systems.
Thanks,
Todd Anderson
To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already
linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/We're still on 3.0 and have only kicked the tires a few times on 4.0. Version 5.0 is still in the box in a drawer.
Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics
----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Anderson
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 2:55 PM
Subject: [Vantage] V 5.0 upgrade
Does anyone have any specs on how many customers are running V 3.0, V 4.0,
and V 5.0 ?
I'm curious how many companies are actually 'Live' on each version. It
seems like many people have installed V 5.0 on test machines for the purpose
of kicking the tires and have not yet installed it on their live systems.
Thanks,
Todd Anderson
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Todd;
We are on V 4.0. Likely will remain here for a while. We have bought into
Calvin Dekker's group EDI project which is written for V 4.0 There are
things we are interested in, in V 5.0 but sounds like the bugs aren't worked
out far enough yet. Once the EDI programs are ported to V 5.0 and more of
the bugs are out we'll move.
Warren R. Eddy
Information Services Manager
National Tube Form, LLC
An Excaliber Company
e-mail -
Warren.Eddy@...
phone - 219 478-2363 ext 217
fax - 219 478-1043
Does anyone have any specs on how many customers are running V 3.0, V 4.0,
and V 5.0 ?
I'm curious how many companies are actually 'Live' on each version. It
seems like many people have installed V 5.0 on test machines for the purpose
of kicking the tires and have not yet installed it on their live systems.
Thanks,
Todd Anderson
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Todd:
We are 3.0
I'm installing 4.0 now; hope to go live in one week.
Want to go to 5.0, but still have nervous feelings. (Epicor says that Joe is using Terminal Server and that's the reason for Data Collection headaches for that type of user).
So I'm up in the air. Really want 5.0 to get the costing improvement going...
Rick Gors
MR/MMIS
Osco
Todd Anderson wrote:
> Does anyone have any specs on how many customers are running V 3.0, V 4.0,
> and V 5.0 ?
>
> I'm curious how many companies are actually 'Live' on each version. It
> seems like many people have installed V 5.0 on test machines for the purpose
> of kicking the tires and have not yet installed it on their live systems.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Todd Anderson
>
>
> To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Rick Gors wrote:
>
> Todd:
>
> We are 3.0
>
> I'm installing 4.0 now; hope to go live in one week.
>
> Want to go to 5.0, but still have nervous feelings. (Epicor says that Joe is using Terminal Server and that's the reason for Data Collection headaches for that type of user).
Data collection is a bug that has a work around though. Try posting
a standard cost rollup... Try creating a job that has the same job
number that MRP will someday use... Try to get a discrepant qty to
backflush material... Try to run a labor edit report in under 20
minutes... Try to print a standard cost replace edit list in less
than 10 hours... Try to print a ledger that doesn't double space
and take 500 sheets of paper...
> So I'm up in the air. Really want 5.0 to get the costing improvement going...
>
> Rick Gors
> MR/MMIS
> Osco
>
> Todd Anderson wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any specs on how many customers are running V 3.0, V 4.0,
> > and V 5.0 ?
> >
> > I'm curious how many companies are actually 'Live' on each version. It
> > seems like many people have installed V 5.0 on test machines for the purpose
> > of kicking the tires and have not yet installed it on their live systems.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Todd Anderson
> >
> >
> > To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
OH! I get it. You want the upgrade A N D you want it to work too? Isn't
that asking too much?
You only spent a bazillion dollars for maintenance. If you install V5 now,
think how grateful and happy
you'll be when the finally do come out with the fixes.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Konecny [mailto:
jkonecn@...]
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:22 PM
To:
vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] V 5.0 upgrade
Data collection is a bug that has a work around though. Try posting
a standard cost rollup... Try creating a job that has the same job
number that MRP will someday use... Try to get a discrepant qty to
backflush material... Try to run a labor edit report in under 20
minutes... Try to print a standard cost replace edit list in less
than 10 hours... Try to print a ledger that doesn't double space
and take 500 sheets of paper...
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Rick Gors wrote:
>
> Todd:
>
> We are 3.0
>
> I'm installing 4.0 now; hope to go live in one week.
>
> Want to go to 5.0, but still have nervous feelings. (Epicor says that Joe is using Terminal Server and that's the reason for Data Collection headaches for that type of user).
Plus this isn't true. I know of at least one other user that
has the same problem and isn't using terminal server. Care
to comment Ronny?
> So I'm up in the air. Really want 5.0 to get the costing improvement going...
>
> Rick Gors
> MR/MMIS
> Osco
>
> Todd Anderson wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any specs on how many customers are running V 3.0, V 4.0,
> > and V 5.0 ?
> >
> > I'm curious how many companies are actually 'Live' on each version. It
> > seems like many people have installed V 5.0 on test machines for the purpose
> > of kicking the tires and have not yet installed it on their live systems.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Todd Anderson
> >
> >
> > To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
I wonder what happened to all the beta testers? Did the new version work for
all of them?
HUH?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Bruton [SMTP:bob@...]
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:33 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] V 5.0 upgrade
>
> OH! I get it. You want the upgrade A N D you want it to work too? Isn't
> that asking too much?
>
> You only spent a bazillion dollars for maintenance. If you install V5
> now,
> think how grateful and happy
> you'll be when the finally do come out with the fixes.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Konecny [mailto:jkonecn@...]
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:22 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] V 5.0 upgrade
>
>
>
> Data collection is a bug that has a work around though. Try posting
> a standard cost rollup... Try creating a job that has the same job
> number that MRP will someday use... Try to get a discrepant qty to
> backflush material... Try to run a labor edit report in under 20
> minutes... Try to print a standard cost replace edit list in less
> than 10 hours... Try to print a ledger that doesn't double space
> and take 500 sheets of paper...
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
We were going to upgrade to 5.0 (from 4.0) last weekend, but I'm putting it
off until
April 21 because we are FINALLY getting another server! We have 1 server
and have everything from AutoCAD, MasterCAM, Calendar software, Translation
software, to Vantage on it. I sent out a memo to everyone that explained
the bugs with 5.0 and that the installation will make the server very slow
while it is running. Then I also explained that our server is running out
of resources, so after the upgrade the whole network would run slower.
Needless to say this worried the people who keep track of our $$$$ at work.
So, we're getting another server! Yeah for us!!
Wendy Bowen
Network Administrator
Schmald Tool & Die, Inc.
(810) 743-1600 ext.323
wpursche@...
----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Anderson <tanderson@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 2:55 PM
Subject: [Vantage] V 5.0 upgrade
> Does anyone have any specs on how many customers are running V 3.0, V 4.0,
> and V 5.0 ?
>
> I'm curious how many companies are actually 'Live' on each version. It
> seems like many people have installed V 5.0 on test machines for the
purpose
> of kicking the tires and have not yet installed it on their live systems.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Todd Anderson
>
>
> To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already
linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
In general...
1. Beta testers don't test everything.
2. Beta testers may not have a large database like ours.
3. Beta testers don't necessarily want to test the software
as much as they just want to get a sneek peak at it.
Robert Kula wrote:
>
> I wonder what happened to all the beta testers? Did the new version work for
> all of them?
>
> HUH?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Bruton [SMTP:bob@...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:33 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] V 5.0 upgrade
> >
> > OH! I get it. You want the upgrade A N D you want it to work too? Isn't
> > that asking too much?
> >
> > You only spent a bazillion dollars for maintenance. If you install V5
> > now,
> > think how grateful and happy
> > you'll be when the finally do come out with the fixes.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Konecny [mailto:jkonecn@...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:22 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vantage] V 5.0 upgrade
> >
> >
> >
> > Data collection is a bug that has a work around though. Try posting
> > a standard cost rollup... Try creating a job that has the same job
> > number that MRP will someday use... Try to get a discrepant qty to
> > backflush material... Try to run a labor edit report in under 20
> > minutes... Try to print a standard cost replace edit list in less
> > than 10 hours... Try to print a ledger that doesn't double space
> > and take 500 sheets of paper...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> > Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have
> > already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
>
>
> To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Todd
Running 4.00.901
Reviewing 5.0 on test network.
Reading about 5.0 patches.
Hearing about 5.1 releasing soon.
Thinking about 6.0 focus groups.
What was the question again?
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## Post #19 by @system
We went live last Monday. Really sorry we did. Nothing but problems.
Jamie
--
Jamie Copsey
Database Administrator
AMF Electronics / Accurate Metal Fabricators
1011 Seal Beach Blvd
Seal Beach, CA 90704
(562) 596-4740 x138
Fax: (562) 596-6799
jcopsey@...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Newell [SMTP:rnewell@...]
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 12:03 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] V 5.0 upgrade
>
> We went live on 5.0 Feb 10th.
>
> Ron Newell
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:55 PM
> To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: [Vantage] V 5.0 upgrade
>
> Does anyone have any specs on how many customers are running V 3.0, V 4.0,
> and V 5.0 ?
>
> I'm curious how many companies are actually 'Live' on each version. It
> seems like many people have installed V 5.0 on test machines for the
> purpose
> of kicking the tires and have not yet installed it on their live systems.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Todd Anderson
>
>
> To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have
> already
> linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
> To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
---OPEN LETTER TO EPICOR---
Lets face facts!! Version 5 was an extremely poor rollout from a
company such as Epicor and it should have never been shipped. I may
never install it. I would expect this from a shareware program but
not a $100,000.00 software package. Hey Epicor who do you think is
buying your software? Most of us don't have time for all of this
bull and that's why we bought your product in the first place. WISE
UP or start losing your market, it's your choice!
---ORIGINAL MESSAGE---
Message: 4
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:14:29 -0500
From: Joe Konecny <
jkonecn@...>
Subject: Re: V 5.0 upgrade
In general...
1. Beta testers don't test everything.
2. Beta testers may not have a large database like ours.
3. Beta testers don't necessarily want to test the software
as much as they just want to get a sneek peak at it.
Robert Kula wrote:
>
> I wonder what happened to all the beta testers? Did the new version
work for
> all of them?
>
> HUH?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Bruton [SMTP:bob@...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:33 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] V 5.0 upgrade
> >
> > OH! I get it. You want the upgrade A N D you want it to work
too? Isn't
> > that asking too much?
> >
> > You only spent a bazillion dollars for maintenance. If you
install V5
> > now,
> > think how grateful and happy
> > you'll be when the finally do come out with the fixes.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Konecny [mailto:jkonecn@...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:22 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vantage] V 5.0 upgrade
> >
> >
> >
> > Data collection is a bug that has a work around though. Try
posting
> > a standard cost rollup... Try creating a job that has the same
job
> > number that MRP will someday use... Try to get a discrepant qty
to
> > backflush material... Try to run a labor edit report in under 20
> > minutes... Try to print a standard cost replace edit list in less
> > than 10 hours... Try to print a ledger that doesn't double space
> > and take 500 sheets of paper...
I wish I could say this posting accomplished something but in fact it
doesn't. Motivating EPICOR via this list has not been effective in the
past.
All of the postings about bugs in V5 have, I'm sure, been noticed. Joe
Jasper ( President of EPICOR ) is on this list and I'm sure is not terribly
happy with the current rollout of V5. If you want to send him email about
the issue, please do at
jjasper@... <mailto:
jjasper@...> .
If everyone on this list posted emails expressing their frustration with
EPICOR, Vantage in general, EDI module, MRP module, V5 bugs, custom
programming prices, annual maintenance prices, etc, etc, etc, etc .... All
we would accomplish is depressing the heck out of each other. It's very
easy to do and it doesn't help.
So although I agree with your posting PLEASE refrain. Life can be
depressing enough these days. Send your emails directly to EPICOR and speak
your peace. You'll feel better without bumming the rest of us out. I
prefer to stick my head in the sand and IGNORE all the screwed up things in
life. It's the only good way I know to keep my sanity. :-)
For those of you who are posting the emails about bugs in V5 - keep them
coming. It's the only way for the rest of us to keep current about the
stability of V5.
Todd Anderson
-----Original Message-----
From:
beury@... [mailto:
beury@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:48 AM
To:
vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: V 5.0 upgrade
---OPEN LETTER TO EPICOR---
Lets face facts!! Version 5 was an extremely poor rollout from a
company such as Epicor and it should have never been shipped. I may
never install it. I would expect this from a shareware program but
not a $100,000.00 software package. Hey Epicor who do you think is
buying your software? Most of us don't have time for all of this
bull and that's why we bought your product in the first place. WISE
UP or start losing your market, it's your choice!
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I agree, Todd, that the probability that anything we express on the list
will motivate Epicor is small. On the other hand, the quality of the Epicor
product appears to be in decline instead of improving. It's as though the
developers are living in an ivory tower with little exposure to the "real
world" out here. Perhaps we, as a group, may someday decide to stop paying
our annual maintenance as the only way to get Epicor's attention. If the
customer's concerns are never addressed, you start loosing customers.
H. Dale Puls
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:
tanderson@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:16 AM
To: '
vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V 5.0 upgrade
I wish I could say this posting accomplished something but in fact it
doesn't. Motivating EPICOR via this list has not been effective in the
past.
All of the postings about bugs in V5 have, I'm sure, been noticed. Joe
Jasper ( President of EPICOR ) is on this list and I'm sure is not terribly
happy with the current rollout of V5. If you want to send him email about
the issue, please do at
jjasper@... <mailto:
jjasper@...> .
If everyone on this list posted emails expressing their frustration with
EPICOR, Vantage in general, EDI module, MRP module, V5 bugs, custom
programming prices, annual maintenance prices, etc, etc, etc, etc .... All
we would accomplish is depressing the heck out of each other. It's very
easy to do and it doesn't help.
So although I agree with your posting PLEASE refrain. Life can be
depressing enough these days. Send your emails directly to EPICOR and speak
your peace. You'll feel better without bumming the rest of us out. I
prefer to stick my head in the sand and IGNORE all the screwed up things in
life. It's the only good way I know to keep my sanity. :-)
For those of you who are posting the emails about bugs in V5 - keep them
coming. It's the only way for the rest of us to keep current about the
stability of V5.
Todd Anderson
-----Original Message-----
From:
beury@... [mailto:
beury@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:48 AM
To:
vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: V 5.0 upgrade
---OPEN LETTER TO EPICOR---
Lets face facts!! Version 5 was an extremely poor rollout from a
company such as Epicor and it should have never been shipped. I may
never install it. I would expect this from a shareware program but
not a $100,000.00 software package. Hey Epicor who do you think is
buying your software? Most of us don't have time for all of this
bull and that's why we bought your product in the first place. WISE
UP or start losing your market, it's your choice!
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/How about we all withhold our maintenance fees for this year until Ver. 5 is
fixed to the point of actually being useable. I would suggest Joe Konecny
set the benchmark of acceptability.
If we hit them in their cashflow they will take notice.
Does everyone's maintenance come due at the same time or is it set by the
original purchase date?
Best regards,
Jerry Solobay
IS/IT Manager
Ebco Aerospace
-----Original Message-----
From: H. Dale Puls [mailto:
DPuls@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:45 AM
To:
vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V 5.0 upgrade
I agree, Todd, that the probability that anything we express on the list
will motivate Epicor is small. On the other hand, the quality of the Epicor
product appears to be in decline instead of improving. It's as though the
developers are living in an ivory tower with little exposure to the "real
world" out here. Perhaps we, as a group, may someday decide to stop paying
our annual maintenance as the only way to get Epicor's attention. If the
customer's concerns are never addressed, you start loosing customers.
H. Dale Puls
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:
tanderson@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:16 AM
To: '
vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V 5.0 upgrade
I wish I could say this posting accomplished something but in fact it
doesn't. Motivating EPICOR via this list has not been effective in the
past.
All of the postings about bugs in V5 have, I'm sure, been noticed. Joe
Jasper ( President of EPICOR ) is on this list and I'm sure is not terribly
happy with the current rollout of V5. If you want to send him email about
the issue, please do at
jjasper@... <mailto:
jjasper@...> .
If everyone on this list posted emails expressing their frustration with
EPICOR, Vantage in general, EDI module, MRP module, V5 bugs, custom
programming prices, annual maintenance prices, etc, etc, etc, etc .... All
we would accomplish is depressing the heck out of each other. It's very
easy to do and it doesn't help.
So although I agree with your posting PLEASE refrain. Life can be
depressing enough these days. Send your emails directly to EPICOR and speak
your peace. You'll feel better without bumming the rest of us out. I
prefer to stick my head in the sand and IGNORE all the screwed up things in
life. It's the only good way I know to keep my sanity. :-)
For those of you who are posting the emails about bugs in V5 - keep them
coming. It's the only way for the rest of us to keep current about the
stability of V5.
Todd Anderson
-----Original Message-----
From:
beury@... [mailto:
beury@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:48 AM
To:
vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: V 5.0 upgrade
---OPEN LETTER TO EPICOR---
Lets face facts!! Version 5 was an extremely poor rollout from a
company such as Epicor and it should have never been shipped. I may
never install it. I would expect this from a shareware program but
not a $100,000.00 software package. Hey Epicor who do you think is
buying your software? Most of us don't have time for all of this
bull and that's why we bought your product in the first place. WISE
UP or start losing your market, it's your choice!
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Probably the best thing to do is send a letter to Epicor and it's
shareholders stating our problems and ask for a response.
Jerry Solobay wrote:
>
> How about we all withhold our maintenance fees for this year until Ver. 5 is
> fixed to the point of actually being useable. I would suggest Joe Konecny
> set the benchmark of acceptability.
>
> If we hit them in their cashflow they will take notice.
>
> Does everyone's maintenance come due at the same time or is it set by the
> original purchase date?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jerry Solobay
>
> IS/IT Manager
>
> Ebco Aerospace
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: H. Dale Puls [mailto:DPuls@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:45 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V 5.0 upgrade
>
> I agree, Todd, that the probability that anything we express on the list
> will motivate Epicor is small. On the other hand, the quality of the Epicor
> product appears to be in decline instead of improving. It's as though the
> developers are living in an ivory tower with little exposure to the "real
> world" out here. Perhaps we, as a group, may someday decide to stop paying
> our annual maintenance as the only way to get Epicor's attention. If the
> customer's concerns are never addressed, you start loosing customers.
>
> H. Dale Puls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:16 AM
> To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V 5.0 upgrade
>
> I wish I could say this posting accomplished something but in fact it
> doesn't. Motivating EPICOR via this list has not been effective in the
> past.
>
> All of the postings about bugs in V5 have, I'm sure, been noticed. Joe
> Jasper ( President of EPICOR ) is on this list and I'm sure is not terribly
> happy with the current rollout of V5. If you want to send him email about
> the issue, please do at jjasper@... <mailto:jjasper@...> .
>
> If everyone on this list posted emails expressing their frustration with
> EPICOR, Vantage in general, EDI module, MRP module, V5 bugs, custom
> programming prices, annual maintenance prices, etc, etc, etc, etc .... All
> we would accomplish is depressing the heck out of each other. It's very
> easy to do and it doesn't help.
>
> So although I agree with your posting PLEASE refrain. Life can be
> depressing enough these days. Send your emails directly to EPICOR and speak
> your peace. You'll feel better without bumming the rest of us out. I
> prefer to stick my head in the sand and IGNORE all the screwed up things in
> life. It's the only good way I know to keep my sanity. :-)
>
> For those of you who are posting the emails about bugs in V5 - keep them
> coming. It's the only way for the rest of us to keep current about the
> stability of V5.
>
> Todd Anderson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: beury@... [mailto:beury@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:48 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: V 5.0 upgrade
>
> ---OPEN LETTER TO EPICOR---
> Lets face facts!! Version 5 was an extremely poor rollout from a
> company such as Epicor and it should have never been shipped. I may
> never install it. I would expect this from a shareware program but
> not a $100,000.00 software package. Hey Epicor who do you think is
> buying your software? Most of us don't have time for all of this
> bull and that's why we bought your product in the first place. WISE
> UP or start losing your market, it's your choice!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already
> linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
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>
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>
>
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>
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Does anyone have any stats on how many people are still running 3.0 to 4.0 to
5.0. I know I am still running 3.0 and it is OK. I really have no desire to
upgrade to another release, have the employees lose confidence in Vantage
product, Epicor as a company, and myself as an IT professional who
recommended this product.
I feel that Epicor is falling down on the job. If I shipped machinery to
customers who had this many problems, I would be out of business in less than
1 year.
John Memmelaar
Royal Master Grinders, Inc.
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## Post #26 by @system
With certainty, I appreciate the frustration of the sender of the Open
Letter. I too have been quietly chastised for verbalizing frustration.
That being said, Epicor has a tremendous resource in this list. One of the
premises of QS9000 is Customer Satisfaction. We here at Rubber Associates
have a very difficult time getting Customer Satisfaction information from
our customers, Epicor can get it here, immediately, from the horses mouth.
A bounty of information.
I have no doubt that the techs are scurrying about in a sweat trying to
resolve the LOUDEST users problems. I have no doubt the Joe Jasper is out
there on the floor cracking heads and the whip for all to see. ....
cept.... we can't see all that. No doubt the Epicor policy is for Joe
Jasper NOT to respond directly to users on this list. HOWEVER, I can tell
the temperature is rising on the list about 5.0, maybe its time for an
exception to that rule and give us a crumb of comfort. Please Please
Please, let us know what corrective action is occuring (Please say it ain't
so JOE)
Shirley Graver
(End User)
Sys Admin
Rubber associates Inc.
Cleveland/Akron
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## Post #27 by @system
Perspectives 2001 in October will be real interesting if, heaven forbid, V
5.x isn't stable and usable by then. The local user groups should begin
making plans to ask for a Vantage/eManufacturing Q&A panel session. If this
is rejected then finding a place to meet as a group to develop a strategy to
deal with V5, maintenance fees for a non-working product and Epicor in
general will be very much in order. If Epicor is not devoting at least as
much resources to making V5 work as for V6 development they have real
priority problems. I very much hope there are better things to discuss in
Orlando.
-Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:
shirleyg@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:29 PM
To:
vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V 5.0 upgrade (Please say it ain't so JOE)
With certainty, I appreciate the frustration of the sender of the Open
Letter. I too have been quietly chastised for verbalizing frustration.
That being said, Epicor has a tremendous resource in this list. One of the
premises of QS9000 is Customer Satisfaction. We here at Rubber Associates
have a very difficult time getting Customer Satisfaction information from
our customers, Epicor can get it here, immediately, from the horses mouth.
A bounty of information.
I have no doubt that the techs are scurrying about in a sweat trying to
resolve the LOUDEST users problems. I have no doubt the Joe Jasper is out
there on the floor cracking heads and the whip for all to see. ....
cept.... we can't see all that. No doubt the Epicor policy is for Joe
Jasper NOT to respond directly to users on this list. HOWEVER, I can tell
the temperature is rising on the list about 5.0, maybe its time for an
exception to that rule and give us a crumb of comfort. Please Please
Please, let us know what corrective action is occuring (Please say it ain't
so JOE)
Shirley Graver
(End User)
Sys Admin
Rubber associates Inc.
Cleveland/Akron
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Well said! I agree 100%.
John Mueske
Hiatt Manufacturing, Inc.
Does anyone have any stats on how many people are still running 3.0 to 4.0 to
5.0. I know I am still running 3.0 and it is OK. I really have no desire to
upgrade to another release, have the employees lose confidence in Vantage
product, Epicor as a company, and myself as an IT professional who
recommended this product.
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