Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3 server

Jonnhy,
As I understand it Yes,
BUT, I would not say it is wisdom to run testing of V8 on the production
Vantage server.
Consider it an opinion, but this is how I understand it.
Good luck,
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of jonnyfatman666
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:08 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3
server


Sorry to hijack the thread. I'm planning on moving my Vantage 4.0 over
to win2k3 due to existing NT4 server randomly rebooting, but I'd like
to eventually install vantage 8 on the same machine for testing
purposes. Can there be 2 different versions of vantage running on the
same computer?

Jonny
Is anyone running Vantage 4.00.904 and Progress 9.0B on W2K3 server? I
called Epicor tech support many months ago and if I remember correctly they
said it should run OK but that Progress won't support 90b on W2K3. A search
in the archives didn't turn up anything. Any info on this would be helpful.
Thx.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD




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Gary,



Why do you want to run V4/P9 on Win-2003-Srv?



Have you asked support if they will run on Win-2000-Srv?



Todd



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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Garyp New
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3 server



Is anyone running Vantage 4.00.904 and Progress 9.0B on W2K3 server? I
called Epicor tech support many months ago and if I remember correctly they
said it should run OK but that Progress won't support 90b on W2K3. A search
in the archives didn't turn up anything. Any info on this would be helpful.
Thx.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD




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Hi Todd,

Thanks for the reply. Why I want to run V4/P9 on W2K3...

Management is not ready to make the decision on whether to upgrade Vantage
or get another product. That leaves me with Vantage 40/90b. Nowhere to
move on that.

Have been planning to replace Vantage server - 7 yrs old and 250MB freespace
left on C-drive (after pulling out every bit of non-essentials). Stable but
no room for doing windows updates or any other additions to it. Main
fileserver/AD server needs replaced now - discovered this week that OS is
corrupted - can't see properties when right click on a drive in explorer,
and backup software service hangs when automatic backup occurs. After
rebooting server I'm now running the backups manually. Dell hardware
diagnostics full scan on that server says all hardware OK.

I'm currently running V40/P90b on W2K. Epicor Tech Support says V40/P90b
will run on W2K3. They said that Progress however will not SUPPORT 90b on
W2K3. So before I go off and build a test server, I thought I would find
out if someone has successfully run this configuration.

I just now got off the phone with my consultant. He says we should go to
W2K3 at this point in time, for a lot of reasons, one of which is that when
we go to a server cluster in a couple of years (in our plan) we won't have
trouble migrating to W2K3 at that point. So we should have W2K3 on the main
network/fileserver. He wanted W2K3 across the board on both servers - it's
better, more stable, more features, yadda. I suggested staying on W2K on
the new Vantage server because that works now. He said that we can do that
without interfering with anything when the time comes to migrate to the W2K3
server cluster down the road.

So at this point, I'm planning on 2 new servers. A file/network server with
W2K3 put into service first to replace the failing file/network server. A
Vantage 40 server with W2K put into service after that.

Here are some questions I have:

1 server or 2?
Put Vantage and the network/fileserver on the same server or 2
different servers?
Not recommended, the way I understand it, but possible I guess.

W2K3 Server or W2K Server?
Will V40/P90b run on W2K3 server OS or not?
Live W2K3 situation might work differently than test environment.
Should I make the Vantage server W2K - like the current Vantage server
is now?

Sidestep the V40/P90b/W2K3 issue by upgrading Vantage to a newer version?
Is V51,52 or 60 so different from V40 that it would be painful for
users?
Is it wise to upgrade all server hardware, OS and Vantage at the same
time?
Total cost of the Vantage version upgrade will be more than cost of a
2nd server.

If you were in this situation, what would you do to get from here to where I
need to be?

I've just come off 4 months of a major Engineering hardware and software
upgrade and rebuilding-replacing large number of failing older workstations.
And now pressure from management questioning the need for this second server
(we originally talked about doing this on one server). All this will have
amounted to rebuilding my entire network. So be gentle.

Thanks in advance,
Gary



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:41 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3 server


Gary,



Why do you want to run V4/P9 on Win-2003-Srv?



Have you asked support if they will run on Win-2000-Srv?



Todd



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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Garyp New
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3 server



Is anyone running Vantage 4.00.904 and Progress 9.0B on W2K3 server? I
called Epicor tech support many months ago and if I remember correctly they
said it should run OK but that Progress won't support 90b on W2K3. A search
in the archives didn't turn up anything. Any info on this would be helpful.
Thx.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD
My 2 cents on a couple of the questions:

- Make Vantage the ONLY thing on the server it resides on...both for performance and so that you can do maintenance on other servers handling other functions (AD, printer serving, file serving, backup software, anti-virus, etc...) without kicking a bunch of people off of Vantage. Server admin and maint for those other functions require way too many reboots.

If you are on maintenance and not having to "pay" to catch up in order to get updates.... (uou are talking to Epicor Support so I assume this is the case)....then

- V5+ introduces Engineering Workbench and in job/bom setup this can be a real switch for some users. Especially if you are maintaining BOM a lot by adding/changing operations...EWB adds a few extra steps to "check out" the part rev and check it back in. But if going as far as P9.1d I would definitely go all the way to 6.1 even if it means doing it version by version for all the conversions and schema updates along the way. The newer features in 6+ are worth the pain even if you don't stick with Vantage very long - would certainly make a comparison with something else more "fair". One hitch....if you have a lot of Crystal Mods to they all have to be revisited for DB changes, etc... Also RB will choke on some field names if you use don in a funciton field that then got used in the DB plus there wre a few UOM fields that got split between Our-UOM and SellingUOM (or something like that). It's a fair be of work depending on how much customizing has been done.

As for P9.0b & W2K3 you might never know until you test it on a new server. Odds are it will work unless there is a .dll conflict in W2K3 that goofs up Progress. Probably why their stance is to not support it, which doesn't mean it might not work anyway. If you are using the old Merrant ODBC that might be a bigger worry. P9.1d has a better built in ODBC (except for a specific login issue that the Merrant driver avoided).

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Garyp New
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:02 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3 server


Hi Todd,

Thanks for the reply. Why I want to run V4/P9 on W2K3...

Management is not ready to make the decision on whether to upgrade Vantage
or get another product. That leaves me with Vantage 40/90b. Nowhere to
move on that.

Have been planning to replace Vantage server - 7 yrs old and 250MB freespace
left on C-drive (after pulling out every bit of non-essentials). Stable but
no room for doing windows updates or any other additions to it. Main
fileserver/AD server needs replaced now - discovered this week that OS is
corrupted - can't see properties when right click on a drive in explorer,
and backup software service hangs when automatic backup occurs. After
rebooting server I'm now running the backups manually. Dell hardware
diagnostics full scan on that server says all hardware OK.

I'm currently running V40/P90b on W2K. Epicor Tech Support says V40/P90b
will run on W2K3. They said that Progress however will not SUPPORT 90b on
W2K3. So before I go off and build a test server, I thought I would find
out if someone has successfully run this configuration.

I just now got off the phone with my consultant. He says we should go to
W2K3 at this point in time, for a lot of reasons, one of which is that when
we go to a server cluster in a couple of years (in our plan) we won't have
trouble migrating to W2K3 at that point. So we should have W2K3 on the main
network/fileserver. He wanted W2K3 across the board on both servers - it's
better, more stable, more features, yadda. I suggested staying on W2K on
the new Vantage server because that works now. He said that we can do that
without interfering with anything when the time comes to migrate to the W2K3
server cluster down the road.

So at this point, I'm planning on 2 new servers. A file/network server with
W2K3 put into service first to replace the failing file/network server. A
Vantage 40 server with W2K put into service after that.

Here are some questions I have:

1 server or 2?
Put Vantage and the network/fileserver on the same server or 2
different servers?
Not recommended, the way I understand it, but possible I guess.

W2K3 Server or W2K Server?
Will V40/P90b run on W2K3 server OS or not?
Live W2K3 situation might work differently than test environment.
Should I make the Vantage server W2K - like the current Vantage server
is now?

Sidestep the V40/P90b/W2K3 issue by upgrading Vantage to a newer version?
Is V51,52 or 60 so different from V40 that it would be painful for
users?
Is it wise to upgrade all server hardware, OS and Vantage at the same
time?
Total cost of the Vantage version upgrade will be more than cost of a
2nd server.

If you were in this situation, what would you do to get from here to where I
need to be?

I've just come off 4 months of a major Engineering hardware and software
upgrade and rebuilding-replacing large number of failing older workstations.
And now pressure from management questioning the need for this second server
(we originally talked about doing this on one server). All this will have
amounted to rebuilding my entire network. So be gentle.

Thanks in advance,
Gary





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Gary,

Vantage 4.x runs without issue on W2K3 Server. As for what platform
Progress will support, I would suggest that you check with them directly.
All things considered, there is no reason NOT to move your infrastructure to
2K3. It is easier to administer, more stable and, of course, current. As
for clustering a two server environment, your consultant has Beowulf on the
brain...

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Garyp New
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:02 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spam RE: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3
server

Hi Todd,

Thanks for the reply. Why I want to run V4/P9 on W2K3...

Management is not ready to make the decision on whether to upgrade Vantage
or get another product. That leaves me with Vantage 40/90b. Nowhere to
move on that.

Have been planning to replace Vantage server - 7 yrs old and 250MB freespace
left on C-drive (after pulling out every bit of non-essentials). Stable but
no room for doing windows updates or any other additions to it. Main
fileserver/AD server needs replaced now - discovered this week that OS is
corrupted - can't see properties when right click on a drive in explorer,
and backup software service hangs when automatic backup occurs. After
rebooting server I'm now running the backups manually. Dell hardware
diagnostics full scan on that server says all hardware OK.

I'm currently running V40/P90b on W2K. Epicor Tech Support says V40/P90b
will run on W2K3. They said that Progress however will not SUPPORT 90b on
W2K3. So before I go off and build a test server, I thought I would find
out if someone has successfully run this configuration.

I just now got off the phone with my consultant. He says we should go to
W2K3 at this point in time, for a lot of reasons, one of which is that when
we go to a server cluster in a couple of years (in our plan) we won't have
trouble migrating to W2K3 at that point. So we should have W2K3 on the main
network/fileserver. He wanted W2K3 across the board on both servers - it's
better, more stable, more features, yadda. I suggested staying on W2K on
the new Vantage server because that works now. He said that we can do that
without interfering with anything when the time comes to migrate to the W2K3
server cluster down the road.

So at this point, I'm planning on 2 new servers. A file/network server with
W2K3 put into service first to replace the failing file/network server. A
Vantage 40 server with W2K put into service after that.

Here are some questions I have:

1 server or 2?
Put Vantage and the network/fileserver on the same server or 2
different servers?
Not recommended, the way I understand it, but possible I guess.

W2K3 Server or W2K Server?
Will V40/P90b run on W2K3 server OS or not?
Live W2K3 situation might work differently than test environment.
Should I make the Vantage server W2K - like the current Vantage server
is now?

Sidestep the V40/P90b/W2K3 issue by upgrading Vantage to a newer version?
Is V51,52 or 60 so different from V40 that it would be painful for
users?
Is it wise to upgrade all server hardware, OS and Vantage at the same
time?
Total cost of the Vantage version upgrade will be more than cost of a
2nd server.

If you were in this situation, what would you do to get from here to where I
need to be?

I've just come off 4 months of a major Engineering hardware and software
upgrade and rebuilding-replacing large number of failing older workstations.
And now pressure from management questioning the need for this second server
(we originally talked about doing this on one server). All this will have
amounted to rebuilding my entire network. So be gentle.

Thanks in advance,
Gary



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:41 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3 server


Gary,



Why do you want to run V4/P9 on Win-2003-Srv?



Have you asked support if they will run on Win-2000-Srv?



Todd



_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Garyp New
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3 server



Is anyone running Vantage 4.00.904 and Progress 9.0B on W2K3 server? I
called Epicor tech support many months ago and if I remember correctly they
said it should run OK but that Progress won't support 90b on W2K3. A search
in the archives didn't turn up anything. Any info on this would be helpful.
Thx.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD






Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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Michael,

4 servers - fileserver, Vantage server, backup server, proxy server (old Eng
ws). I thought it was a good thing to separate the data into a separate
external SAN not attached to a specific server, and then when you have to
replace the servers, you don't have to fool around with the data and can get
cheaper servers. Or if one server goes down, your data is still accessible
online when the other server kicks in right away. No down time is what I
kept hearing from management in meetings. That's why we looked at
clustering or similar methods. But I'm not completely sold on it yet. I
wouldn't mind hearing your other $.98.

Gary



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Michael Barry
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:37 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Spam RE: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3
server


Gary,

Vantage 4.x runs without issue on W2K3 Server. As for what platform
Progress will support, I would suggest that you check with them directly.
All things considered, there is no reason NOT to move your infrastructure to
2K3. It is easier to administer, more stable and, of course, current. As
for clustering a two server environment, your consultant has Beowulf on the
brain...

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Garyp New
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:02 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spam RE: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3
server

Hi Todd,

Thanks for the reply. Why I want to run V4/P9 on W2K3...

Management is not ready to make the decision on whether to upgrade Vantage
or get another product. That leaves me with Vantage 40/90b. Nowhere to
move on that.

Have been planning to replace Vantage server - 7 yrs old and 250MB freespace
left on C-drive (after pulling out every bit of non-essentials). Stable but
no room for doing windows updates or any other additions to it. Main
fileserver/AD server needs replaced now - discovered this week that OS is
corrupted - can't see properties when right click on a drive in explorer,
and backup software service hangs when automatic backup occurs. After
rebooting server I'm now running the backups manually. Dell hardware
diagnostics full scan on that server says all hardware OK.

I'm currently running V40/P90b on W2K. Epicor Tech Support says V40/P90b
will run on W2K3. They said that Progress however will not SUPPORT 90b on
W2K3. So before I go off and build a test server, I thought I would find
out if someone has successfully run this configuration.

I just now got off the phone with my consultant. He says we should go to
W2K3 at this point in time, for a lot of reasons, one of which is that when
we go to a server cluster in a couple of years (in our plan) we won't have
trouble migrating to W2K3 at that point. So we should have W2K3 on the main
network/fileserver. He wanted W2K3 across the board on both servers - it's
better, more stable, more features, yadda. I suggested staying on W2K on
the new Vantage server because that works now. He said that we can do that
without interfering with anything when the time comes to migrate to the W2K3
server cluster down the road.

So at this point, I'm planning on 2 new servers. A file/network server with
W2K3 put into service first to replace the failing file/network server. A
Vantage 40 server with W2K put into service after that.

Here are some questions I have:

1 server or 2?
Put Vantage and the network/fileserver on the same server or 2
different servers?
Not recommended, the way I understand it, but possible I guess.

W2K3 Server or W2K Server?
Will V40/P90b run on W2K3 server OS or not?
Live W2K3 situation might work differently than test environment.
Should I make the Vantage server W2K - like the current Vantage server
is now?

Sidestep the V40/P90b/W2K3 issue by upgrading Vantage to a newer version?
Is V51,52 or 60 so different from V40 that it would be painful for
users?
Is it wise to upgrade all server hardware, OS and Vantage at the same
time?
Total cost of the Vantage version upgrade will be more than cost of a
2nd server.

If you were in this situation, what would you do to get from here to where I
need to be?

I've just come off 4 months of a major Engineering hardware and software
upgrade and rebuilding-replacing large number of failing older workstations.
And now pressure from management questioning the need for this second server
(we originally talked about doing this on one server). All this will have
amounted to rebuilding my entire network. So be gentle.

Thanks in advance,
Gary



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:41 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3 server


Gary,



Why do you want to run V4/P9 on Win-2003-Srv?



Have you asked support if they will run on Win-2000-Srv?



Todd



_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Garyp New
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3 server



Is anyone running Vantage 4.00.904 and Progress 9.0B on W2K3 server? I
called Epicor tech support many months ago and if I remember correctly they
said it should run OK but that Progress won't support 90b on W2K3. A search
in the archives didn't turn up anything. Any info on this would be helpful.
Thx.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD






Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links











Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
Thanks to Todd, Todd and Michael for the replies. At least I have the broad
strokes.

Gary
Gary,

Zero downtime is indeed a desirable goal and, for stateless connections like
web browsing, clustering is a viable solution. Statefull connections, like
Vantage, however cannot tolerate event the slightest intermittency. Even
the almost instant transfer of a cluster failover will cause the Vantage
client to hang. That being said, you can effectively cluster the Progress DB
and effectively failover in the event of a single DB failure - just not the
Vantage network component.

If you really need true zero downtime with Vantage, you will need to
virtualize your servers with something akin to VMWare ESX Server. Be
prepared, however, to take a significant performance hit until later in the
year when Intel and AMD build in hardware support for virtualization. With
virtualized servers attached to a common SAN, you can move the virtual
servers to any physical server without a service interruption and
add/replace hardware at will.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Garyp New
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spam RE: Spam RE: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on
W2K3 server

Michael,

4 servers - fileserver, Vantage server, backup server, proxy server (old Eng
ws). I thought it was a good thing to separate the data into a separate
external SAN not attached to a specific server, and then when you have to
replace the servers, you don't have to fool around with the data and can get
cheaper servers. Or if one server goes down, your data is still accessible
online when the other server kicks in right away. No down time is what I
kept hearing from management in meetings. That's why we looked at
clustering or similar methods. But I'm not completely sold on it yet. I
wouldn't mind hearing your other $.98.

Gary



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Michael Barry
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:37 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Spam RE: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3
server


Gary,

Vantage 4.x runs without issue on W2K3 Server. As for what platform
Progress will support, I would suggest that you check with them directly.
All things considered, there is no reason NOT to move your infrastructure to
2K3. It is easier to administer, more stable and, of course, current. As
for clustering a two server environment, your consultant has Beowulf on the
brain...

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Garyp New
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:02 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spam RE: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3
server

Hi Todd,

Thanks for the reply. Why I want to run V4/P9 on W2K3...

Management is not ready to make the decision on whether to upgrade Vantage
or get another product. That leaves me with Vantage 40/90b. Nowhere to
move on that.

Have been planning to replace Vantage server - 7 yrs old and 250MB freespace
left on C-drive (after pulling out every bit of non-essentials). Stable but
no room for doing windows updates or any other additions to it. Main
fileserver/AD server needs replaced now - discovered this week that OS is
corrupted - can't see properties when right click on a drive in explorer,
and backup software service hangs when automatic backup occurs. After
rebooting server I'm now running the backups manually. Dell hardware
diagnostics full scan on that server says all hardware OK.

I'm currently running V40/P90b on W2K. Epicor Tech Support says V40/P90b
will run on W2K3. They said that Progress however will not SUPPORT 90b on
W2K3. So before I go off and build a test server, I thought I would find
out if someone has successfully run this configuration.

I just now got off the phone with my consultant. He says we should go to
W2K3 at this point in time, for a lot of reasons, one of which is that when
we go to a server cluster in a couple of years (in our plan) we won't have
trouble migrating to W2K3 at that point. So we should have W2K3 on the main
network/fileserver. He wanted W2K3 across the board on both servers - it's
better, more stable, more features, yadda. I suggested staying on W2K on
the new Vantage server because that works now. He said that we can do that
without interfering with anything when the time comes to migrate to the W2K3
server cluster down the road.

So at this point, I'm planning on 2 new servers. A file/network server with
W2K3 put into service first to replace the failing file/network server. A
Vantage 40 server with W2K put into service after that.

Here are some questions I have:

1 server or 2?
Put Vantage and the network/fileserver on the same server or 2
different servers?
Not recommended, the way I understand it, but possible I guess.

W2K3 Server or W2K Server?
Will V40/P90b run on W2K3 server OS or not?
Live W2K3 situation might work differently than test environment.
Should I make the Vantage server W2K - like the current Vantage server
is now?

Sidestep the V40/P90b/W2K3 issue by upgrading Vantage to a newer version?
Is V51,52 or 60 so different from V40 that it would be painful for
users?
Is it wise to upgrade all server hardware, OS and Vantage at the same
time?
Total cost of the Vantage version upgrade will be more than cost of a
2nd server.

If you were in this situation, what would you do to get from here to where I
need to be?

I've just come off 4 months of a major Engineering hardware and software
upgrade and rebuilding-replacing large number of failing older workstations.
And now pressure from management questioning the need for this second server
(we originally talked about doing this on one server). All this will have
amounted to rebuilding my entire network. So be gentle.

Thanks in advance,
Gary



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:41 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3 server


Gary,



Why do you want to run V4/P9 on Win-2003-Srv?



Have you asked support if they will run on Win-2000-Srv?



Todd



_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Garyp New
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3 server



Is anyone running Vantage 4.00.904 and Progress 9.0B on W2K3 server? I
called Epicor tech support many months ago and if I remember correctly they
said it should run OK but that Progress won't support 90b on W2K3. A search
in the archives didn't turn up anything. Any info on this would be helpful.
Thx.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD






Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links











Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links









Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
Michael,

The virtualized servers sounds cool. That I'll check on.

If a server failed I'm sure the company could live with a reasonable amount
of downtime - measured in hours - that's what I meant by no down time. The
usual time it takes to re-make a server if you lose one is what they don't
want to have to deal with.

Thanks,
Gary


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Michael Barry
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Spam RE: Spam RE: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running
on W2K3 server


Gary,

Zero downtime is indeed a desirable goal and, for stateless connections like
web browsing, clustering is a viable solution. Statefull connections, like
Vantage, however cannot tolerate event the slightest intermittency. Even
the almost instant transfer of a cluster failover will cause the Vantage
client to hang. That being said, you can effectively cluster the Progress DB
and effectively failover in the event of a single DB failure - just not the
Vantage network component.

If you really need true zero downtime with Vantage, you will need to
virtualize your servers with something akin to VMWare ESX Server. Be
prepared, however, to take a significant performance hit until later in the
year when Intel and AMD build in hardware support for virtualization. With
virtualized servers attached to a common SAN, you can move the virtual
servers to any physical server without a service interruption and
add/replace hardware at will.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Garyp New
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spam RE: Spam RE: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on
W2K3 server

Michael,

4 servers - fileserver, Vantage server, backup server, proxy server (old Eng
ws). I thought it was a good thing to separate the data into a separate
external SAN not attached to a specific server, and then when you have to
replace the servers, you don't have to fool around with the data and can get
cheaper servers. Or if one server goes down, your data is still accessible
online when the other server kicks in right away. No down time is what I
kept hearing from management in meetings. That's why we looked at
clustering or similar methods. But I'm not completely sold on it yet. I
wouldn't mind hearing your other $.98.

Gary



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Michael Barry
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:37 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Spam RE: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3
server


Gary,

Vantage 4.x runs without issue on W2K3 Server. As for what platform
Progress will support, I would suggest that you check with them directly.
All things considered, there is no reason NOT to move your infrastructure to
2K3. It is easier to administer, more stable and, of course, current. As
for clustering a two server environment, your consultant has Beowulf on the
brain...

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Garyp New
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:02 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spam RE: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3
server

Hi Todd,

Thanks for the reply. Why I want to run V4/P9 on W2K3...

Management is not ready to make the decision on whether to upgrade Vantage
or get another product. That leaves me with Vantage 40/90b. Nowhere to
move on that.

Have been planning to replace Vantage server - 7 yrs old and 250MB freespace
left on C-drive (after pulling out every bit of non-essentials). Stable but
no room for doing windows updates or any other additions to it. Main
fileserver/AD server needs replaced now - discovered this week that OS is
corrupted - can't see properties when right click on a drive in explorer,
and backup software service hangs when automatic backup occurs. After
rebooting server I'm now running the backups manually. Dell hardware
diagnostics full scan on that server says all hardware OK.

I'm currently running V40/P90b on W2K. Epicor Tech Support says V40/P90b
will run on W2K3. They said that Progress however will not SUPPORT 90b on
W2K3. So before I go off and build a test server, I thought I would find
out if someone has successfully run this configuration.

I just now got off the phone with my consultant. He says we should go to
W2K3 at this point in time, for a lot of reasons, one of which is that when
we go to a server cluster in a couple of years (in our plan) we won't have
trouble migrating to W2K3 at that point. So we should have W2K3 on the main
network/fileserver. He wanted W2K3 across the board on both servers - it's
better, more stable, more features, yadda. I suggested staying on W2K on
the new Vantage server because that works now. He said that we can do that
without interfering with anything when the time comes to migrate to the W2K3
server cluster down the road.

So at this point, I'm planning on 2 new servers. A file/network server with
W2K3 put into service first to replace the failing file/network server. A
Vantage 40 server with W2K put into service after that.

Here are some questions I have:

1 server or 2?
Put Vantage and the network/fileserver on the same server or 2
different servers?
Not recommended, the way I understand it, but possible I guess.

W2K3 Server or W2K Server?
Will V40/P90b run on W2K3 server OS or not?
Live W2K3 situation might work differently than test environment.
Should I make the Vantage server W2K - like the current Vantage server
is now?

Sidestep the V40/P90b/W2K3 issue by upgrading Vantage to a newer version?
Is V51,52 or 60 so different from V40 that it would be painful for
users?
Is it wise to upgrade all server hardware, OS and Vantage at the same
time?
Total cost of the Vantage version upgrade will be more than cost of a
2nd server.

If you were in this situation, what would you do to get from here to where I
need to be?

I've just come off 4 months of a major Engineering hardware and software
upgrade and rebuilding-replacing large number of failing older workstations.
And now pressure from management questioning the need for this second server
(we originally talked about doing this on one server). All this will have
amounted to rebuilding my entire network. So be gentle.

Thanks in advance,
Gary



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:41 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3 server


Gary,



Why do you want to run V4/P9 on Win-2003-Srv?



Have you asked support if they will run on Win-2000-Srv?



Todd



_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Garyp New
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:11 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 40 and Progress 90b running on W2K3 server



Is anyone running Vantage 4.00.904 and Progress 9.0B on W2K3 server? I
called Epicor tech support many months ago and if I remember correctly they
said it should run OK but that Progress won't support 90b on W2K3. A search
in the archives didn't turn up anything. Any info on this would be helpful.
Thx.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD






Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links











Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links









Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links











Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
Sorry to hijack the thread. I'm planning on moving my Vantage 4.0 over
to win2k3 due to existing NT4 server randomly rebooting, but I'd like
to eventually install vantage 8 on the same machine for testing
purposes. Can there be 2 different versions of vantage running on the
same computer?

Jonny