Vantage 8.808 performance

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Amy,

What are the specs on your terminal servers?

Bob


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "cpsadp" <cpsadp@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> I'm not sure that I saw anyone directly address your question which
> had to do with using RDP to access the server. This means that all
> processing is done on between the main Vantage server and the
> terminal server. The only thing the local machine does is to
> receive the images sent by the terminal server. This reduces the
> bandwith needed to the desktop from approximately 125K to 12K.
> Additionally, the performance of screens is faster since processing
> happens on the server rather than on the desktop.
>
> To answer your question: yes. We are going live on Vantage 8.0
> using terminal servers to access the main VAntage server from the
> desktop. We avoided several issues by doing this: upgrading the
> desktops, installing and maintaining software on client stations,
> performance to the desktop.
>
> Login Local: 25 seconds
> Login TS: 7 seconds
>
> Part tracker Local: 37 seconds
> Part tracker TS: 12 seconds
>
> We had several issues in the initial setup: permissions,
> consistancy between terminal servers (we put in 5, one for every 20
> users), etc. Mainly due to error on our part as I'm not a Terminal
> Server guru.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Amy
>
2
My server is Dell Dual Xeon 3.2GHz with 4 GB RAM.
Network is switched cisco 100MB
Client is Dell TX520 3.4 GHz
I tested with 1GB RAM with the following results.
open application 15 seconds close and reopen 7 seconds
order entry 18 seconds
quote entry 25 seconds close and reopen 8 seconds
job entry 30 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
po entry 18 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
the part tracker takes about 40 seconds to open because of all of the
queries.

with 2 GB RAM the following:
open application 10 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
order entry 10 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
quote entry 19 seconds
job entry 9 seconds
po entry 8 seconds close and reopen 4 seconds.

RAM definitely does impact client performance.
I was the only client accessing vantage in my tests.

Most of our clients are old compaq EVO's 1.6 GHz with 512MB RAM.
These systems do not perform well with vantage 8.
Looks like we will be required to upgrade to new systems before we will
be
able to make the leap to 8.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
3
so much for a light client.


Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of PLAMAN DICK
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:43 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.808 performance



My server is Dell Dual Xeon 3.2GHz with 4 GB RAM.
Network is switched cisco 100MB
Client is Dell TX520 3.4 GHz
I tested with 1GB RAM with the following results.
open application 15 seconds close and reopen 7 seconds
order entry 18 seconds
quote entry 25 seconds close and reopen 8 seconds
job entry 30 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
po entry 18 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
the part tracker takes about 40 seconds to open because of all
of the
queries.

with 2 GB RAM the following:
open application 10 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
order entry 10 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
quote entry 19 seconds
job entry 9 seconds
po entry 8 seconds close and reopen 4 seconds.

RAM definitely does impact client performance.
I was the only client accessing vantage in my tests.

Most of our clients are old compaq EVO's 1.6 GHz with 512MB RAM.
These systems do not perform well with vantage 8.
Looks like we will be required to upgrade to new systems before
we will
be
able to make the leap to 8.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
4
Dick,
I am getting ready to start testing 8.0 (again, last tested at Beta stage).
I am wondering if any of the gains might have been from the server caching
vs. ram. Could you report on a similar test, after removing the additional
RAM and confirm that the performance does return to the original results?
I am just trying to have as much information as possible to plan with.
Thanks,
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
PLAMAN DICK
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:43 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.808 performance


My server is Dell Dual Xeon 3.2GHz with 4 GB RAM.
Network is switched cisco 100MB
Client is Dell TX520 3.4 GHz
I tested with 1GB RAM with the following results.
open application 15 seconds close and reopen 7 seconds
order entry 18 seconds
quote entry 25 seconds close and reopen 8 seconds
job entry 30 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
po entry 18 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
the part tracker takes about 40 seconds to open because of all of the
queries.

with 2 GB RAM the following:
open application 10 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
order entry 10 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
quote entry 19 seconds
job entry 9 seconds
po entry 8 seconds close and reopen 4 seconds.

RAM definitely does impact client performance.
I was the only client accessing vantage in my tests.

Most of our clients are old compaq EVO's 1.6 GHz with 512MB RAM.
These systems do not perform well with vantage 8.
Looks like we will be required to upgrade to new systems before we will
be
able to make the leap to 8.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
5
Dick
What happens on your fast client when you open a serious CAD program
such as ProE or Solidworks that require large amounts of memory ?

Cliff Drumeller
IT Manager
Mass Precision Sheetmetal, Inc.
408 954 0200 ex 348
408 314 7420 cell

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of PLAMAN DICK
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 7:43 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.808 performance



My server is Dell Dual Xeon 3.2GHz with 4 GB RAM.
Network is switched cisco 100MB
Client is Dell TX520 3.4 GHz
I tested with 1GB RAM with the following results.
open application 15 seconds close and reopen 7 seconds
order entry 18 seconds
quote entry 25 seconds close and reopen 8 seconds
job entry 30 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
po entry 18 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
the part tracker takes about 40 seconds to open because of all of the
queries.

with 2 GB RAM the following:
open application 10 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
order entry 10 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
quote entry 19 seconds
job entry 9 seconds
po entry 8 seconds close and reopen 4 seconds.

RAM definitely does impact client performance.
I was the only client accessing vantage in my tests.

Most of our clients are old compaq EVO's 1.6 GHz with 512MB RAM.
These systems do not perform well with vantage 8.
Looks like we will be required to upgrade to new systems before we will
be
able to make the leap to 8.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
6
Did someone from Epicor tell you that V8 used a light client?



________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:25 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.808 performance



so much for a light client.


Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@... <mailto:fzeigafuse%40lcdarms.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of PLAMAN DICK
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:43 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.808 performance



My server is Dell Dual Xeon 3.2GHz with 4 GB RAM.
Network is switched cisco 100MB
Client is Dell TX520 3.4 GHz
I tested with 1GB RAM with the following results.
open application 15 seconds close and reopen 7 seconds
order entry 18 seconds
quote entry 25 seconds close and reopen 8 seconds
job entry 30 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
po entry 18 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
the part tracker takes about 40 seconds to open because of all
of the
queries.

with 2 GB RAM the following:
open application 10 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
order entry 10 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
quote entry 19 seconds
job entry 9 seconds
po entry 8 seconds close and reopen 4 seconds.

RAM definitely does impact client performance.
I was the only client accessing vantage in my tests.

Most of our clients are old compaq EVO's 1.6 GHz with 512MB RAM.
These systems do not perform well with vantage 8.
Looks like we will be required to upgrade to new systems before
we will
be
able to make the leap to 8.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
7
well of course back in 2005. then light became smart, now its fat, dumb
and lazy client :)

I can see having more resource intensive requirements on either the
server or the client but I think to have on both leads me to believe
there are some issues.


Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Gerard Wadman
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 1:08 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.808 performance



Did someone from Epicor tell you that V8 used a light client?

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:25 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.808 performance

so much for a light client.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@... <mailto:fzeigafuse%40lcdarms.com>
<mailto:fzeigafuse%40lcdarms.com>

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<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of PLAMAN DICK
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:43 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.808 performance

My server is Dell Dual Xeon 3.2GHz with 4 GB RAM.
Network is switched cisco 100MB
Client is Dell TX520 3.4 GHz
I tested with 1GB RAM with the following results.
open application 15 seconds close and reopen 7 seconds
order entry 18 seconds
quote entry 25 seconds close and reopen 8 seconds
job entry 30 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
po entry 18 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
the part tracker takes about 40 seconds to open because of all
of the
queries.

with 2 GB RAM the following:
open application 10 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
order entry 10 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
quote entry 19 seconds
job entry 9 seconds
po entry 8 seconds close and reopen 4 seconds.

RAM definitely does impact client performance.
I was the only client accessing vantage in my tests.

Most of our clients are old compaq EVO's 1.6 GHz with 512MB RAM.
These systems do not perform well with vantage 8.
Looks like we will be required to upgrade to new systems before
we will
be
able to make the leap to 8.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Aaron,
I removed the additional RAM (down to 1GB) and found that the client
performed just as well when it
had the 2GB.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Aaron Hoyt
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:45 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.808 performance



Dick,
I am getting ready to start testing 8.0 (again, last tested at Beta
stage).
I am wondering if any of the gains might have been from the server
caching
vs. ram. Could you report on a similar test, after removing the
additional
RAM and confirm that the performance does return to the original
results?
I am just trying to have as much information as possible to plan with.
Thanks,
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]On
Behalf Of
PLAMAN DICK
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:43 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.808 performance

My server is Dell Dual Xeon 3.2GHz with 4 GB RAM.
Network is switched cisco 100MB
Client is Dell TX520 3.4 GHz
I tested with 1GB RAM with the following results.
open application 15 seconds close and reopen 7 seconds
order entry 18 seconds
quote entry 25 seconds close and reopen 8 seconds
job entry 30 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
po entry 18 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
the part tracker takes about 40 seconds to open because of all of the
queries.

with 2 GB RAM the following:
open application 10 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
order entry 10 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
quote entry 19 seconds
job entry 9 seconds
po entry 8 seconds close and reopen 4 seconds.

RAM definitely does impact client performance.
I was the only client accessing vantage in my tests.

Most of our clients are old compaq EVO's 1.6 GHz with 512MB RAM.
These systems do not perform well with vantage 8.
Looks like we will be required to upgrade to new systems before we will
be
able to make the leap to 8.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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9
That's what happens when salesmen talk about things they have no clue
about. A smart client is the complete opposite of a light client. I
never understood why salesmen just can't be honest when they don't know
something instead of giving some BS answer. Our salesman told us that
Vantage has EDI built in so we wouldn't need a service provider any
longer. We told him that he would be well advised to learn how EDI
works.





________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 1:20 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.808 performance



well of course back in 2005. then light became smart, now its fat, dumb
and lazy client :)

I can see having more resource intensive requirements on either the
server or the client but I think to have on both leads me to believe
there are some issues.


Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@... <mailto:fzeigafuse%40lcdarms.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Gerard Wadman
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 1:08 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.808 performance



Did someone from Epicor tell you that V8 used a light client?

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:25 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.808 performance

so much for a light client.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@... <mailto:fzeigafuse%40lcdarms.com>
<mailto:fzeigafuse%40lcdarms.com>
<mailto:fzeigafuse%40lcdarms.com>

-----Original Message-----
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<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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On Behalf Of PLAMAN DICK
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:43 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.808 performance

My server is Dell Dual Xeon 3.2GHz with 4 GB RAM.
Network is switched cisco 100MB
Client is Dell TX520 3.4 GHz
I tested with 1GB RAM with the following results.
open application 15 seconds close and reopen 7 seconds
order entry 18 seconds
quote entry 25 seconds close and reopen 8 seconds
job entry 30 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
po entry 18 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
the part tracker takes about 40 seconds to open because of all
of the
queries.

with 2 GB RAM the following:
open application 10 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
order entry 10 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
quote entry 19 seconds
job entry 9 seconds
po entry 8 seconds close and reopen 4 seconds.

RAM definitely does impact client performance.
I was the only client accessing vantage in my tests.

Most of our clients are old compaq EVO's 1.6 GHz with 512MB RAM.
These systems do not perform well with vantage 8.
Looks like we will be required to upgrade to new systems before
we will
be
able to make the leap to 8.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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10
We are just in the beginning stages of a Vantage 8.0x implementation.
Our preliminary testing confirms that having 1G of RAM on a
workstation that runs the 'fat' client seems optimal. More doesn't
always translate into faster beyond that.

I would like to ask if anyone has tried the 'thin' client, which is
basically Microsoft's 'Remote Desktop' paired with Terminal Server ?
Our early testing shows about a 90% improvement in remote access
across a WAN with that arrangement, as compared to trying to run the
v8.0x 'thick' client. I'm VERY interested in the experiences of
others, since we're definitely 'newbies' here.

Cheers,
- Gary -

P.S.....I just setup our servers, with the Production box being a quad
dual-processor Xeon HP/Compaq system, using Raid 10 (i.e...'1+0' in
HP-speak) for the data & db, and Raid 1 for the OS and Transaction
logs. Anyone else have experience using something similar ?



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "PLAMAN DICK" <dick.plaman@...> wrote:
>
> My server is Dell Dual Xeon 3.2GHz with 4 GB RAM.
> Network is switched cisco 100MB
> Client is Dell TX520 3.4 GHz
> I tested with 1GB RAM with the following results.
> open application 15 seconds close and reopen 7 seconds
> order entry 18 seconds
> quote entry 25 seconds close and reopen 8 seconds
> job entry 30 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
> po entry 18 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
> the part tracker takes about 40 seconds to open because of all of the
> queries.
>
> with 2 GB RAM the following:
> open application 10 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
> order entry 10 seconds close and reopen 5 seconds
> quote entry 19 seconds
> job entry 9 seconds
> po entry 8 seconds close and reopen 4 seconds.
>
> RAM definitely does impact client performance.
> I was the only client accessing vantage in my tests.
>
> Most of our clients are old compaq EVO's 1.6 GHz with 512MB RAM.
> These systems do not perform well with vantage 8.
> Looks like we will be required to upgrade to new systems before we will
> be
> able to make the leap to 8.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
11
Hi Gary,

I'm not sure that I saw anyone directly address your question which
had to do with using RDP to access the server. This means that all
processing is done on between the main Vantage server and the
terminal server. The only thing the local machine does is to
receive the images sent by the terminal server. This reduces the
bandwith needed to the desktop from approximately 125K to 12K.
Additionally, the performance of screens is faster since processing
happens on the server rather than on the desktop.

To answer your question: yes. We are going live on Vantage 8.0
using terminal servers to access the main VAntage server from the
desktop. We avoided several issues by doing this: upgrading the
desktops, installing and maintaining software on client stations,
performance to the desktop.

Login Local: 25 seconds
Login TS: 7 seconds

Part tracker Local: 37 seconds
Part tracker TS: 12 seconds

We had several issues in the initial setup: permissions,
consistancy between terminal servers (we put in 5, one for every 20
users), etc. Mainly due to error on our part as I'm not a Terminal
Server guru.

Hope that helps.

Amy
12
Hi Amy,

How many users have you set up for each Terminal Server, and what are the
specs on the Terminal Server?

John Walter | National IS Advisor | Hufcor Pty Ltd

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
cpsadp
Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2006 3:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 8.808 performance

Hi Gary,

I'm not sure that I saw anyone directly address your question which
had to do with using RDP to access the server. This means that all
processing is done on between the main Vantage server and the
terminal server. The only thing the local machine does is to
receive the images sent by the terminal server. This reduces the
bandwith needed to the desktop from approximately 125K to 12K.
Additionally, the performance of screens is faster since processing
happens on the server rather than on the desktop.

To answer your question: yes. We are going live on Vantage 8.0
using terminal servers to access the main VAntage server from the
desktop. We avoided several issues by doing this: upgrading the
desktops, installing and maintaining software on client stations,
performance to the desktop.

Login Local: 25 seconds
Login TS: 7 seconds

Part tracker Local: 37 seconds
Part tracker TS: 12 seconds

We had several issues in the initial setup: permissions,
consistancy between terminal servers (we put in 5, one for every 20
users), etc. Mainly due to error on our part as I'm not a Terminal
Server guru.

Hope that helps.

Amy
13
I have been wondering about the new 8125's that cingular has on the
market. They are cell phones/mini-computer but with an Edge modem AND
a Hi-Fi modem. It looks like a PDA but it is much more and runs on
Windows Mobile operating system. Anywhere you can get a cellphone
signal, you can access the internet. It has a VPN connection setup
that I haven't tried real hard to get connected to my server, BUT I
wonder if I could setup my server to "image" my 8125 while I worked on
Vantage? It gets connections speeds anywhere from 50k to 200k that I
have seen.