Vantage 8 - Does Scheduling Even Work?

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Do you have finite capacity turned on?

Pat

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry_Muntz" <kerry_muntz@...> wrote:
>
> This might sound a little naive, but wouldn't you just raise a second
> job, and make it to the first job? that way you still have your
> original job, and you've got a relatively clean link to a 'better
> job' for the remainder of the work required. I can see it would be
> painful if you have a lot of jobs. All the best.
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Steven Gotschall <sgotschall@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I wouldn't say that it is broken, its just the way it is. Once a
> job is created, it's method, including operations and the resources
> attached to them are fixed and must be manually updated if you what
> to change anything. That said, I see your point and it would be nice
> to have an operation you could run to update the resources on all
> jobs. I'm sure Epicor could custom design one for you for $10k.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: brucewbrannan <bruce.brannan@>
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:23:05 AM
> > Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8 - Does Scheduling Even Work?
> >
> >
> > I've contacted Tech Support with an issue and their response leads
> me
> > to believe part of the Scheduling functionality is broken. I'll
> > share the scenario and would love some responses. Here it is:
> >
> > Let's say we have 100 jobs in the system, all scheduled and ready
> to
> > go. Let's also assume we have an operation called Cutting, a
> > Resource Group called Cutting Machines and two resources called
> > Cutting Machine 1 and Cutting Machine 2, and let's assume that each
> > job uses the Cutting Operation several times (like Op 10, 40, 60,
> > etc.). Suppose we buy 10 new cutting machines tomorrow and that I
> > add the 10 new machines to my Cutting Machines resources (now I
> have
> > 12).
> >
> > Now that the Resource Group has been updated you'd think Vantage
> > would incorporate these new machines as available capacity (it does
> > but only for NEW jobs). If I do a Global Schedule to reschedule all
> > the jobs they will NOT update with the new resource count. The only
> > way to refresh the resources on previously scheduled jobs is to
> open
> > each job, remove the operation, and then add it back. That's a
> major
> > task and what if you already have some time charged to those
> > operations? See where I'm going here?
> >
> > I'd like to know how others handle this issue.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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I've contacted Tech Support with an issue and their response leads me
to believe part of the Scheduling functionality is broken. I'll
share the scenario and would love some responses. Here it is:

Let's say we have 100 jobs in the system, all scheduled and ready to
go. Let's also assume we have an operation called Cutting, a
Resource Group called Cutting Machines and two resources called
Cutting Machine 1 and Cutting Machine 2, and let's assume that each
job uses the Cutting Operation several times (like Op 10, 40, 60,
etc.). Suppose we buy 10 new cutting machines tomorrow and that I
add the 10 new machines to my Cutting Machines resources (now I have
12).

Now that the Resource Group has been updated you'd think Vantage
would incorporate these new machines as available capacity (it does
but only for NEW jobs). If I do a Global Schedule to reschedule all
the jobs they will NOT update with the new resource count. The only
way to refresh the resources on previously scheduled jobs is to open
each job, remove the operation, and then add it back. That's a major
task and what if you already have some time charged to those
operations? See where I'm going here?

I'd like to know how others handle this issue.
3
I wouldn't say that it is broken, its just the way it is. Once a job is created, it's method, including operations and the resources attached to them are fixed and must be manually updated if you what to change anything. That said, I see your point and it would be nice to have an operation you could run to update the resources on all jobs. I'm sure Epicor could custom design one for you for $10k.




________________________________
From: brucewbrannan <bruce.brannan@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:23:05 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8 - Does Scheduling Even Work?


I've contacted Tech Support with an issue and their response leads me
to believe part of the Scheduling functionality is broken. I'll
share the scenario and would love some responses. Here it is:

Let's say we have 100 jobs in the system, all scheduled and ready to
go. Let's also assume we have an operation called Cutting, a
Resource Group called Cutting Machines and two resources called
Cutting Machine 1 and Cutting Machine 2, and let's assume that each
job uses the Cutting Operation several times (like Op 10, 40, 60,
etc.). Suppose we buy 10 new cutting machines tomorrow and that I
add the 10 new machines to my Cutting Machines resources (now I have
12).

Now that the Resource Group has been updated you'd think Vantage
would incorporate these new machines as available capacity (it does
but only for NEW jobs). If I do a Global Schedule to reschedule all
the jobs they will NOT update with the new resource count. The only
way to refresh the resources on previously scheduled jobs is to open
each job, remove the operation, and then add it back. That's a major
task and what if you already have some time charged to those
operations? See where I'm going here?

I'd like to know how others handle this issue.






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4
We've run into this as well. I chalk it up to poor design choices about
where functionality and data should reside.



If a resource group is universal by nature, why would you copy data
about how many resources are in it at the point in time the job was
created. Fundamentally flawed if you ask me.



At the very least, Epicor should include a function similar to the one
in part entry when one changes the nonstock flag in the plant tab. It
ask you if you wish to update the plants. Same thing should happen when
you reconfigure the resource group. "Do you want to update open jobs?"



My two cents.



John A. Hatcher

Manager of IS

Versa Products Co., Inc.

(201) 518-5948

(201) 843-2400 x4148

(201) 843-2931 (fax)





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5
I was told that in Vantage 6.1, if you added more people to a
workcenter, it did immediately update the jobs.

So are others scheduling by machines and people? Or just by machines?

Thanks!

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Hatcher, John" <johnh@...> wrote:
>
> We've run into this as well. I chalk it up to poor design choices
about
> where functionality and data should reside.
>
>
>
> If a resource group is universal by nature, why would you copy data
> about how many resources are in it at the point in time the job was
> created. Fundamentally flawed if you ask me.
>
>
>
> At the very least, Epicor should include a function similar to the
one
> in part entry when one changes the nonstock flag in the plant tab.
It
> ask you if you wish to update the plants. Same thing should happen
when
> you reconfigure the resource group. "Do you want to update open
jobs?"
>
>
>
> My two cents.
>
>
>
> John A. Hatcher
>
> Manager of IS
>
> Versa Products Co., Inc.
>
> (201) 518-5948
>
> (201) 843-2400 x4148
>
> (201) 843-2931 (fax)
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
6
This might sound a little naive, but wouldn't you just raise a second
job, and make it to the first job? that way you still have your
original job, and you've got a relatively clean link to a 'better
job' for the remainder of the work required. I can see it would be
painful if you have a lot of jobs. All the best.


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Steven Gotschall <sgotschall@...>
wrote:
>
> I wouldn't say that it is broken, its just the way it is. Once a
job is created, it's method, including operations and the resources
attached to them are fixed and must be manually updated if you what
to change anything. That said, I see your point and it would be nice
to have an operation you could run to update the resources on all
jobs. I'm sure Epicor could custom design one for you for $10k.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: brucewbrannan <bruce.brannan@...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:23:05 AM
> Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8 - Does Scheduling Even Work?
>
>
> I've contacted Tech Support with an issue and their response leads
me
> to believe part of the Scheduling functionality is broken. I'll
> share the scenario and would love some responses. Here it is:
>
> Let's say we have 100 jobs in the system, all scheduled and ready
to
> go. Let's also assume we have an operation called Cutting, a
> Resource Group called Cutting Machines and two resources called
> Cutting Machine 1 and Cutting Machine 2, and let's assume that each
> job uses the Cutting Operation several times (like Op 10, 40, 60,
> etc.). Suppose we buy 10 new cutting machines tomorrow and that I
> add the 10 new machines to my Cutting Machines resources (now I
have
> 12).
>
> Now that the Resource Group has been updated you'd think Vantage
> would incorporate these new machines as available capacity (it does
> but only for NEW jobs). If I do a Global Schedule to reschedule all
> the jobs they will NOT update with the new resource count. The only
> way to refresh the resources on previously scheduled jobs is to
open
> each job, remove the operation, and then add it back. That's a
major
> task and what if you already have some time charged to those
> operations? See where I'm going here?
>
> I'd like to know how others handle this issue.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
7
In v8 we have resource groups and resources that represent machines, and some that represent people.

In our Std Op Codes, we often have a mixture of both (or several of both) to get the capacity constrainingt behavior that models are shop reality aproximately enough.

RobÂ

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, brucewbrannan <bruce.brannan@...> wrote:

From: brucewbrannan <bruce.brannan@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 8 - Does Scheduling Even Work?
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 4:37 PM






I was told that in Vantage 6.1, if you added more people to a
workcenter, it did immediately update the jobs.

So are others scheduling by machines and people? Or just by machines?

Thanks!

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, "Hatcher, John" <johnh@...> wrote:
>
> We've run into this as well. I chalk it up to poor design choices
about
> where functionality and data should reside.
>
>
>
> If a resource group is universal by nature, why would you copy data
> about how many resources are in it at the point in time the job was
> created. Fundamentally flawed if you ask me.
>
>
>
> At the very least, Epicor should include a function similar to the
one
> in part entry when one changes the nonstock flag in the plant tab.
It
> ask you if you wish to update the plants. Same thing should happen
when
> you reconfigure the resource group. "Do you want to update open
jobs?"
>
>
>
> My two cents.
>
>
>
> John A. Hatcher
>
> Manager of IS
>
> Versa Products Co., Inc.
>
> (201) 518-5948
>
> (201) 843-2400 x4148
>
> (201) 843-2931 (fax)
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
8
It IS lame that the option is not offered (as it is in so many other areas of Vantage)... It is an inconsistency in general features.

That said, if it is a HUGE issue for you, you could probably overcome it on your own. We (I didn't write it so I can't give you an assist on its details!) have a BPM that changes job OP resource details based upon certain rules (for reasons to lengthy to get into)... It has proven 100% reliable.

I'd bet you could leverage the BO method in the RG/R maintenance app to trigger a similar 'global update' of job-op resource details BPM.

Rob


--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Steven Gotschall <sgotschall@...> wrote:

From: Steven Gotschall <sgotschall@...>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage 8 - Does Scheduling Even Work?
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 11:08 AM






I wouldn't say that it is broken, its just the way it is. Once a job is created, it's method, including operations and the resources attached to them are fixed and must be manually updated if you what to change anything. That said, I see your point and it would be nice to have an operation you could run to update the resources on all jobs. I'm sure Epicor could custom design one for you for $10k.

____________ _________ _________ __
From: brucewbrannan <bruce.brannan@ wgint.com>
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:23:05 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8 - Does Scheduling Even Work?

I've contacted Tech Support with an issue and their response leads me
to believe part of the Scheduling functionality is broken. I'll
share the scenario and would love some responses. Here it is:

Let's say we have 100 jobs in the system, all scheduled and ready to
go. Let's also assume we have an operation called Cutting, a
Resource Group called Cutting Machines and two resources called
Cutting Machine 1 and Cutting Machine 2, and let's assume that each
job uses the Cutting Operation several times (like Op 10, 40, 60,
etc.). Suppose we buy 10 new cutting machines tomorrow and that I
add the 10 new machines to my Cutting Machines resources (now I have
12).

Now that the Resource Group has been updated you'd think Vantage
would incorporate these new machines as available capacity (it does
but only for NEW jobs). If I do a Global Schedule to reschedule all
the jobs they will NOT update with the new resource count. The only
way to refresh the resources on previously scheduled jobs is to open
each job, remove the operation, and then add it back. That's a major
task and what if you already have some time charged to those
operations? See where I'm going here?

I'd like to know how others handle this issue.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]