Vantage & Open4 HRIS

I second that thanks all that have replied. From what I have seen there
has been little to no negative feedback about the product.



One observation I did make, is most are using Vantage for time
collection and payroll. I don't believe I saw any feedback from users
using alternative software / hardware for time collection. We are not
pleased with what Vantage offers for time collection, and we do not
anticipate ever processing payroll internally. Are there users out
there using alternative time collection methods along with the HRIS
Open4 component?



We would really like to keep all of this under the Vantage hat and avoid
multiple setup points for employees, but is proving difficult due to the
dislike of Vantage time collection.



One possible solution we are considering is a Vantage - Open4
(HRIS)-Datametrics (Time Collection) because Vantage relates to Open4,
and Open4 has a relationship with DataMetrics.



Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Sage
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:12 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage & Open4 HRIS



Manasa and Doris,

Thanks for your insights - they are most helpful.

We're almost ready to go live, so use will follow right on the heels of
training. Tomorrow we'll be beating it up Vantage Test Company to Open4

Test Company to determine how much training / config assistance we think

we'll need.

have fun,
john



Manasa Reddy wrote:
> Our training was for 2 days because we bought the HR, Training, and
> Report Writer modules.







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Is anyone out there using Vantage with Open4 HRIS? If so, how is it
(not) working for you? We are in a position where we need to make some
new decisions about implementing time collection (Maybe through Vantage,
maybe not), and HRIS. There are a lot of strong points not use Vantage
for time collection (superior competitive products).



Best case scenario, is everything works great through Vantage. Worst
case scenario, is it works much like the CRM module ("Throw a bunch of
money in a basket, and set it on fire." -Frank Z.)



Bruce Butler, IT Manager



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
We are in the middle of implementing Open4 with Vantage 6.1.

What are you looking for? I'm not sure what you are talking about with
time clocks in Vantage?



M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
mmreddy@...
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Cell: (850) 305-0931
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bruce Butler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:20 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Wayne Crowell
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage & Open4 HRIS


Is anyone out there using Vantage with Open4 HRIS? If so, how is it
(not) working for you? We are in a position where we need to make some
new decisions about implementing time collection (Maybe through Vantage,
maybe not), and HRIS. There are a lot of strong points not use Vantage
for time collection (superior competitive products).



Best case scenario, is everything works great through Vantage. Worst
case scenario, is it works much like the CRM module ("Throw a bunch of
money in a basket, and set it on fire." -Frank Z.)



Bruce Butler, IT Manager



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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Bruce:

We were the first customer to use Open4 with Vantage. We have been on it since Jan 2005. Since we were the first customer we had to deal with the integration problems but these are all worked out now. We have been very happy with the support from BMH (makers of Open4). The extraction of data from Vantage is manually initiated. After processing the hours in Open4 for payroll the GL data is then written to a file to be imported back into Vantage. Again, it is manually initiated buts works very well. We are using Open4 for payroll processing and applicant tracking. We are going to start using the training module very soon. I also understand there are now 30+ customers using Open4 with Vantage.

Dale Norris
IT Manager
Bullen Ultrasonics Inc.

>>> bbutler@... 5/18/2006 11:19 AM >>>

Is anyone out there using Vantage with Open4 HRIS? If so, how is it
(not) working for you? We are in a position where we need to make some
new decisions about implementing time collection (Maybe through Vantage,
maybe not), and HRIS. There are a lot of strong points not use Vantage
for time collection (superior competitive products).



Best case scenario, is everything works great through Vantage. Worst
case scenario, is it works much like the CRM module ("Throw a bunch of
money in a basket, and set it on fire." -Frank Z.)



Bruce Butler, IT Manager



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Wayne,

We use both DC and Open4 HRIS. We have been doing Data Collection
through Vantage for the last 4 years. We have no problems with DC, we
like it a lot. We purchased the HR module last December.

Open 4 is a great company with an outstanding customer service. Our
implementation is going well, a little slow because I have been working
on other projects.

I recommend both,
Doris Franco

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bruce Butler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:20 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Wayne Crowell
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage & Open4 HRIS

Is anyone out there using Vantage with Open4 HRIS? If so, how is it
(not) working for you? We are in a position where we need to make some
new decisions about implementing time collection (Maybe through Vantage,
maybe not), and HRIS. There are a lot of strong points not use Vantage
for time collection (superior competitive products).



Best case scenario, is everything works great through Vantage. Worst
case scenario, is it works much like the CRM module ("Throw a bunch of
money in a basket, and set it on fire." -Frank Z.)



Bruce Butler, IT Manager



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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Like Manasa and Doris, we're in the middle of implementing Open4 HRIS,
Payroll and Training with Vantage 6.1. The deciding factors for us
were: integration with Vantage, Payroll 401(a) support, overall polish
of the Open4 program, and demonstrated integration with Vantage 6.1.

But I'm curious about what level of support you've all needed from
Epicor and BMH.

My understanding is that everything must funnel through Epicor. After
purchasing Open4, we received a Letter Of Engagement from Epicor for
training, but installation was not included. Hence we've been
installing ourselves, with some good tips from BMH.

But how about training? Epicor's proposed 1 day sysadmin/config
training and 4 days user training for three people. Have your users
required that much training?

Thanks for you input,
john







Bruce Butler wrote:
> Is anyone out there using Vantage with Open4 HRIS?
Training is well worth the money....just make sure you use and implement
as quickly as humanly possible....then that way you don't forget what
you learned.



M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x272
Cell: (850) 305-0931
Radio: 186*111*3414


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Sage
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:36 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage & Open4 HRIS


Like Manasa and Doris, we're in the middle of implementing Open4 HRIS,
Payroll and Training with Vantage 6.1. The deciding factors for us
were: integration with Vantage, Payroll 401(a) support, overall polish
of the Open4 program, and demonstrated integration with Vantage 6.1.

But I'm curious about what level of support you've all needed from
Epicor and BMH.

My understanding is that everything must funnel through Epicor. After
purchasing Open4, we received a Letter Of Engagement from Epicor for
training, but installation was not included. Hence we've been
installing ourselves, with some good tips from BMH.

But how about training? Epicor's proposed 1 day sysadmin/config
training and 4 days user training for three people. Have your users
required that much training?

Thanks for you input,
john







Bruce Butler wrote:
> Is anyone out there using Vantage with Open4 HRIS?





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have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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Forgot to mention that if you are taking advantage of bringing in the
trainer to
your facility, then you can train as many people you want. We set up
about
5-6 computers and had people work together during training.





M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x272
Cell: (850) 305-0931
Radio: 186*111*3414


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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:08 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage & Open4 HRIS


Training is well worth the money....just make sure you use and implement
as quickly as humanly possible....then that way you don't forget what
you learned.



M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x272
Cell: (850) 305-0931
Radio: 186*111*3414


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Sage
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:36 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage & Open4 HRIS


Like Manasa and Doris, we're in the middle of implementing Open4 HRIS,
Payroll and Training with Vantage 6.1. The deciding factors for us
were: integration with Vantage, Payroll 401(a) support, overall polish
of the Open4 program, and demonstrated integration with Vantage 6.1.

But I'm curious about what level of support you've all needed from
Epicor and BMH.

My understanding is that everything must funnel through Epicor. After
purchasing Open4, we received a Letter Of Engagement from Epicor for
training, but installation was not included. Hence we've been
installing ourselves, with some good tips from BMH.

But how about training? Epicor's proposed 1 day sysadmin/config
training and 4 days user training for three people. Have your users
required that much training?

Thanks for you input,
john







Bruce Butler wrote:
> Is anyone out there using Vantage with Open4 HRIS?





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We got a 4-hours training from BMH before we did the system
configuration, it was worth it.

We will be looking to purchase some more training on security and
payroll, but I will definitely have the training done by BHM and not by
Epicor. It is nothing against Epicor, it is just that this is their
product. And I hope it is not 4 days.

Doris

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Sage
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:36 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage & Open4 HRIS

Like Manasa and Doris, we're in the middle of implementing Open4 HRIS,
Payroll and Training with Vantage 6.1. The deciding factors for us
were: integration with Vantage, Payroll 401(a) support, overall polish
of the Open4 program, and demonstrated integration with Vantage 6.1.

But I'm curious about what level of support you've all needed from
Epicor and BMH.

My understanding is that everything must funnel through Epicor. After
purchasing Open4, we received a Letter Of Engagement from Epicor for
training, but installation was not included. Hence we've been
installing ourselves, with some good tips from BMH.

But how about training? Epicor's proposed 1 day sysadmin/config
training and 4 days user training for three people. Have your users
required that much training?

Thanks for you input,
john







Bruce Butler wrote:
> Is anyone out there using Vantage with Open4 HRIS?






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Epicor doesn't train for Open4 anyway. It is all from BMH.

Our training was for 2 days because we bought the HR, Training, and
Report Writer modules.
We will be buying payroll in a few months, and if I remember correctly
that is supposed all day
as well. Of course it may actually be shorter, but we tend to talk a
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Doris Franco
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:14 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage & Open4 HRIS


We got a 4-hours training from BMH before we did the system
configuration, it was worth it.

We will be looking to purchase some more training on security and
payroll, but I will definitely have the training done by BHM and not by
Epicor. It is nothing against Epicor, it is just that this is their
product. And I hope it is not 4 days.

Doris

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Sage
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:36 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage & Open4 HRIS

Like Manasa and Doris, we're in the middle of implementing Open4 HRIS,
Payroll and Training with Vantage 6.1. The deciding factors for us
were: integration with Vantage, Payroll 401(a) support, overall polish
of the Open4 program, and demonstrated integration with Vantage 6.1.

But I'm curious about what level of support you've all needed from
Epicor and BMH.

My understanding is that everything must funnel through Epicor. After
purchasing Open4, we received a Letter Of Engagement from Epicor for
training, but installation was not included. Hence we've been
installing ourselves, with some good tips from BMH.

But how about training? Epicor's proposed 1 day sysadmin/config
training and 4 days user training for three people. Have your users
required that much training?

Thanks for you input,
john







Bruce Butler wrote:
> Is anyone out there using Vantage with Open4 HRIS?






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have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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We have run Open4 since May 2005
And are very pleased with it.

We set security so each employee can log in and see ONLY their own
information.
(Supers see their department, Managers see their people)
The only thing most employees can change is add their own annual review.

We built customized screens/reports for annual reviews
+ Employees input to reviews,
+ Supervisor input to slightly different reviews,
+ Managers input to another different review form

We built customized screens/reports for:
+ 'Above and Beyond' awards
+ Warnings
+ Discipline
+ Concern notices

We track many things in Open4, attendance, insurance, benefits.

We do not use it for payroll, we still use the clock in Vantage to track
time on jobs and then run payroll in Vantage.

Integration with Vantage is minimal. Very little of the Open4 info has
related fields in Vantage.
The Open4 report writer is primitive.

The BMH support is magnificent. They really know their product.

BW


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Manasa and Doris,

Thanks for your insights - they are most helpful.

We're almost ready to go live, so use will follow right on the heels of
training. Tomorrow we'll be beating it up Vantage Test Company to Open4
Test Company to determine how much training / config assistance we think
we'll need.

have fun,
john



Manasa Reddy wrote:
> Our training was for 2 days because we bought the HR, Training, and
> Report Writer modules.