Vendor Performance Report (now Benefits/Risks o f Programming)

Lonnie,

I had the same problem opening the file. I would recreate the zip file from
scratch and try again. I haven't had any problems with my winzip.

Thad
-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Drew [mailto:lonniedrew@...]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:21 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Vendor Performance Report (now Benefits/Risks o f
Programming)


I uploaded SnapShot.zip to Misc folder, and then tried to view the
contents or download the file - no luck. If there some trick to the
PKWare Plug-In?

Anyway, I'm sending Thad a copy. If anyone else would like one email
me off list.

Lonnie

--- In vantage@y..., "Lonnie Drew" <lonniedrew@c...> wrote:
> Thad,
>
> Refer to last 3 paragraphs of my post last night.
>
> To illustrate, I'm taking snapshots of a couple of projects that we
> deployed. Should be posted to files, under a miscellaneous folder
if
> exists, in a few minutes.
>
> Lonnie
>
> --- In vantage@y..., Thad Jacobs <tjacobs@k...> wrote:
> > Lonnie,
> > What benefits would you say come with Provision besides write
> access?




Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Excellent statement. Are you sure you've been in front of the computer 14
hours?

-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Drew [mailto:lonniedrew@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:54 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Vendor Performance Report (now Benefits/Risks of
Programming)


Been in front of this dang PC for 14 hours, but here goes...

The benefits could be great if you talk someone into it. I could
spend days talking about money and time saved. Of course you don't
go around changing things without extensive testing.

Yes, I've also heard the naysayers who believe the Vantage database
is sacrosanct, and should not be touched by the hands of mere
mortals. All within reason. But isn't it just a database? Are we
not programmers?? Yea, verily.

Reward without risk? That's unAmerican!!! Yes, I lost a bundle on
tech stocks, but I took the risk!! Yes, I asked that beautiful
cheerleader out, but I took.. wait a minute, no I didn't, risking
money is one thing. As my soapbox crashes inward, I return to the
original subject.

Seriously, we probably have a dozen programs deployed that are used
often to change database values. Let alone the occasional mass
changes that save hundreds/thousands each time asked for. And let's
not forget the value of extacting and manipulating data, RB/Crystal
can't come close to the power of a programming language.

And what about the FULL power of the language. Let's say it
together, "To create new programs". Vantage is just a program
(alright, a complicated 1000+ module-probably, 250+ table behemoth),
why can't we write our own for other uses? HR, Safety, Job Training,
etc. all could be tracked with a Progress program.

I cannot suggest this strong enough - if you're a trained programmer,
with confidence in your abilities and the aptitude to learn, you need
to get the full version.

$0.03

Lonnie

--- In vantage@y..., "Troy Funte" <tfunte@e...> wrote:
> I wish we had Provision so I could try some stuff out, but my
company is probably safer that we don't have it. Who knows what havoc
I would reak?
>
> Troy




Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
14.25 hours now. I'm now retiring to the TV.. God, what a life..

--- In vantage@y..., "Gitzlaff, Christopher" <cgitzlaff@m...> wrote:
> Excellent statement. Are you sure you've been in front of the
computer 14
> hours?
Lonnie,
What benefits would you say come with Provision besides write access?

-----Original Message-----
From: Gitzlaff, Christopher [mailto:cgitzlaff@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:00 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Vendor Performance Report (now Benefits/Risks
o f Programming)


Excellent statement. Are you sure you've been in front of the computer 14
hours?

-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Drew [mailto:lonniedrew@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:54 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Vendor Performance Report (now Benefits/Risks of
Programming)


Been in front of this dang PC for 14 hours, but here goes...

The benefits could be great if you talk someone into it. I could
spend days talking about money and time saved. Of course you don't
go around changing things without extensive testing.

Yes, I've also heard the naysayers who believe the Vantage database
is sacrosanct, and should not be touched by the hands of mere
mortals. All within reason. But isn't it just a database? Are we
not programmers?? Yea, verily.

Reward without risk? That's unAmerican!!! Yes, I lost a bundle on
tech stocks, but I took the risk!! Yes, I asked that beautiful
cheerleader out, but I took.. wait a minute, no I didn't, risking
money is one thing. As my soapbox crashes inward, I return to the
original subject.

Seriously, we probably have a dozen programs deployed that are used
often to change database values. Let alone the occasional mass
changes that save hundreds/thousands each time asked for. And let's
not forget the value of extacting and manipulating data, RB/Crystal
can't come close to the power of a programming language.

And what about the FULL power of the language. Let's say it
together, "To create new programs". Vantage is just a program
(alright, a complicated 1000+ module-probably, 250+ table behemoth),
why can't we write our own for other uses? HR, Safety, Job Training,
etc. all could be tracked with a Progress program.

I cannot suggest this strong enough - if you're a trained programmer,
with confidence in your abilities and the aptitude to learn, you need
to get the full version.

$0.03

Lonnie

--- In vantage@y..., "Troy Funte" <tfunte@e...> wrote:
> I wish we had Provision so I could try some stuff out, but my
company is probably safer that we don't have it. Who knows what havoc
I would reak?
>
> Troy




Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Thad,

Refer to last 3 paragraphs of my post last night.

To illustrate, I'm taking snapshots of a couple of projects that we
deployed. Should be posted to files, under a miscellaneous folder if
exists, in a few minutes.

Lonnie

--- In vantage@y..., Thad Jacobs <tjacobs@k...> wrote:
> Lonnie,
> What benefits would you say come with Provision besides write
access?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gitzlaff, Christopher [mailto:cgitzlaff@m...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:00 PM
> To: 'vantage@y...'
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Vendor Performance Report (now
Benefits/Risks
> o f Programming)
>
>
> Excellent statement. Are you sure you've been in front of the
computer 14
> hours?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lonnie Drew [mailto:lonniedrew@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:54 PM
> To: vantage@y...
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Vendor Performance Report (now
Benefits/Risks of
> Programming)
>
>
> Been in front of this dang PC for 14 hours, but here goes...
>
> The benefits could be great if you talk someone into it. I could
> spend days talking about money and time saved. Of course you don't
> go around changing things without extensive testing.
>
> Yes, I've also heard the naysayers who believe the Vantage database
> is sacrosanct, and should not be touched by the hands of mere
> mortals. All within reason. But isn't it just a database? Are we
> not programmers?? Yea, verily.
>
> Reward without risk? That's unAmerican!!! Yes, I lost a bundle on
> tech stocks, but I took the risk!! Yes, I asked that beautiful
> cheerleader out, but I took.. wait a minute, no I didn't,
risking
> money is one thing. As my soapbox crashes inward, I return to the
> original subject.
>
> Seriously, we probably have a dozen programs deployed that are used
> often to change database values. Let alone the occasional mass
> changes that save hundreds/thousands each time asked for. And
let's
> not forget the value of extacting and manipulating data, RB/Crystal
> can't come close to the power of a programming language.
>
> And what about the FULL power of the language. Let's say it
> together, "To create new programs". Vantage is just a program
> (alright, a complicated 1000+ module-probably, 250+ table
behemoth),
> why can't we write our own for other uses? HR, Safety, Job
Training,
> etc. all could be tracked with a Progress program.
>
> I cannot suggest this strong enough - if you're a trained
programmer,
> with confidence in your abilities and the aptitude to learn, you
need
> to get the full version.
>
> $0.03
>
> Lonnie
>
> --- In vantage@y..., "Troy Funte" <tfunte@e...> wrote:
> > I wish we had Provision so I could try some stuff out, but my
> company is probably safer that we don't have it. Who knows what
havoc
> I would reak?
> >
> > Troy
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
I uploaded SnapShot.zip to Misc folder, and then tried to view the
contents or download the file - no luck. If there some trick to the
PKWare Plug-In?

Anyway, I'm sending Thad a copy. If anyone else would like one email
me off list.

Lonnie

--- In vantage@y..., "Lonnie Drew" <lonniedrew@c...> wrote:
> Thad,
>
> Refer to last 3 paragraphs of my post last night.
>
> To illustrate, I'm taking snapshots of a couple of projects that we
> deployed. Should be posted to files, under a miscellaneous folder
if
> exists, in a few minutes.
>
> Lonnie
>
> --- In vantage@y..., Thad Jacobs <tjacobs@k...> wrote:
> > Lonnie,
> > What benefits would you say come with Provision besides write
> access?