I did the test upgrade to 5.2, it was the jump from 5.2 to 6.0 that was such
a pain. I had a server down in the middle of the process and couldn't test
the jump from 5.2 to 6.0. I especially like the "convenience" of the single
button database upgrade from 5.2 to 6.0. The part where you tell it to
upgrade and it stops with the warning that 6.0 already has a database in
place. I figured out quickly that it was the initial database and nothing
to worry about. Except at 11:00 pm I was not thinking clearly and used
progress explorer to blow away the mfgsys database group. When that didn't
work I deleted the actual database files and the upgrade ran fine. Of
course you can't start the new database without the mfrsys60 database in
progress explorer and I didn't know enough to recreate the entries. Shot an
entire evenings work and delayed the upgrade a day. I am sitting there with
a perfectly good database and no way to start it. The next night I get to
backup and convert the database all over again.
Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX
-----Original Message-----
From: Edward F. Fox, Jr. [mailto:efox@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 11:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Version 6.0 Problem
I always do a test upgrade first. We set up a test database so our
engineers can get comfortable with the changes. If we don't they brain
seize and die.
I am in the process of going from 5.1 to 6.1, and jumping to a new machine.
I keep records of the time it takes so when I go live I know how much time I
need to do it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 11:03 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Version 6.0 Problem
.....Or to second guess instructions you know darned well are wrong.
Especially the reference(s) to Vista. Also there are at least a couple
places where critical steps are omitted related to stopping or starting the
database services (or even waiting a sufficient amount of time before
proceeding to avoid certain error messages). All this makes a huge case for
doing a test upgrade well before doing it for real. -Todd C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Zeigafuse [mailto:fzeigafuse@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:54 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Version 6.0 Problem
I agree with you poor documentation and the location of the documentation
could save epicor customers countless hours if it was more accurate.
It is very frustrating to have to guess what they are saying.
Frank Zeigafuse
Innovative Office Products
General Manager
Direct Phone: 610-559-6369
Email: fzeigafuse@...
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitchell Kirby [mailto:m.kirby@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:48 AM
To: Vantage (E-mail)
Subject: [Vantage] Version 6.0 Problem
Just a heads up if you just went to 6.0 and kept 5.2 running. The program
groups in "Start, Programs,...." are different for 5.2 and 6.0. So if both
databases are running and your users switch back and forth from using the
desktop icons and the start, programs you could have a problem. The 6.0
program group will be at the bottom of the list and it is real easy to run
the old group by mistake. The splash screen is the same so if you are not
careful a user may not realize that they are in 5.2 and not 6.0.
I downloaded the latest upgrade instructions from web and I can't tell you
how many times the instructions didn't match what was on the screen. Cost
me several hours of work when I had to guess at 11:00 pm what I should do.
The program group issue is just another example. One of my engineers just
blew several days of work because he got into 5.2 by mistake. We went from
5.1 to 5.2 to 6.0 in a week of upgrades. I am real tired of getting bit on
the .... by poor documentation. Why would you name one program group
Vantage by Epicor and the other group Manufacturing by Epicor? Which one
would you run if you hadn't seen them before?
Does anyone actually try to follow their own instructions before they
release them to the unsuspecting public?
Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX
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a pain. I had a server down in the middle of the process and couldn't test
the jump from 5.2 to 6.0. I especially like the "convenience" of the single
button database upgrade from 5.2 to 6.0. The part where you tell it to
upgrade and it stops with the warning that 6.0 already has a database in
place. I figured out quickly that it was the initial database and nothing
to worry about. Except at 11:00 pm I was not thinking clearly and used
progress explorer to blow away the mfgsys database group. When that didn't
work I deleted the actual database files and the upgrade ran fine. Of
course you can't start the new database without the mfrsys60 database in
progress explorer and I didn't know enough to recreate the entries. Shot an
entire evenings work and delayed the upgrade a day. I am sitting there with
a perfectly good database and no way to start it. The next night I get to
backup and convert the database all over again.
Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX
-----Original Message-----
From: Edward F. Fox, Jr. [mailto:efox@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 11:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Version 6.0 Problem
I always do a test upgrade first. We set up a test database so our
engineers can get comfortable with the changes. If we don't they brain
seize and die.
I am in the process of going from 5.1 to 6.1, and jumping to a new machine.
I keep records of the time it takes so when I go live I know how much time I
need to do it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 11:03 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Version 6.0 Problem
.....Or to second guess instructions you know darned well are wrong.
Especially the reference(s) to Vista. Also there are at least a couple
places where critical steps are omitted related to stopping or starting the
database services (or even waiting a sufficient amount of time before
proceeding to avoid certain error messages). All this makes a huge case for
doing a test upgrade well before doing it for real. -Todd C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Zeigafuse [mailto:fzeigafuse@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:54 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Version 6.0 Problem
I agree with you poor documentation and the location of the documentation
could save epicor customers countless hours if it was more accurate.
It is very frustrating to have to guess what they are saying.
Frank Zeigafuse
Innovative Office Products
General Manager
Direct Phone: 610-559-6369
Email: fzeigafuse@...
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitchell Kirby [mailto:m.kirby@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:48 AM
To: Vantage (E-mail)
Subject: [Vantage] Version 6.0 Problem
Just a heads up if you just went to 6.0 and kept 5.2 running. The program
groups in "Start, Programs,...." are different for 5.2 and 6.0. So if both
databases are running and your users switch back and forth from using the
desktop icons and the start, programs you could have a problem. The 6.0
program group will be at the bottom of the list and it is real easy to run
the old group by mistake. The splash screen is the same so if you are not
careful a user may not realize that they are in 5.2 and not 6.0.
I downloaded the latest upgrade instructions from web and I can't tell you
how many times the instructions didn't match what was on the screen. Cost
me several hours of work when I had to guess at 11:00 pm what I should do.
The program group issue is just another example. One of my engineers just
blew several days of work because he got into 5.2 by mistake. We went from
5.1 to 5.2 to 6.0 in a week of upgrades. I am real tired of getting bit on
the .... by poor documentation. Why would you name one program group
Vantage by Epicor and the other group Manufacturing by Epicor? Which one
would you run if you hadn't seen them before?
Does anyone actually try to follow their own instructions before they
release them to the unsuspecting public?
Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
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