Virtualization options

The latest version of Essentials+ now comes with vMotion :-)

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Scott Lepley <scott.lepley@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Motty and Zac for the info.
>
>
>
> Motty, I have just two points in reply. One, to clarify, we've been using
> VMware Workstation for a while, but only in a limited manner to provide VM's
> for testing (agree it has been very helpful for that purpose). But now,
> we're planning to go full-bore to virtualize all of our servers (three
> Windows, one Linux), hence my original post. Two, in their recent webcast
> regarding virtualized environments, Epicor seemed to present Hyper-V at
> least as favorably as vSphere, perhaps even more so considering the cost.
> Again, we're just looking for feedback from users about their real-life
> experiences.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Scott
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf
> Of *Mordechai
> *Sent:* Friday, April 08, 2011 7:10 AM
> *To:* vantage@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* [Vantage] Re: Virtualization options
>
>
>
> Scott,
> If you have waited this long for virtualization because Epicor did not
> support it, you may consider going with their recommendation here too –
> looks like what they know and worked with is VMware!
> BTW, we installed 8.03 4 years ago and always had it on a VMware cluster –
> never had any issues with Epicor that were caused by the environment.
> Must say it has been a huge save of time for testing upgrades and
> re-creating test system from production.
>
> Motty
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Zac Jason Woodward <zac@> wrote:
> >
> > Im all for RHEV. Not saying that everything is perfect for it. Even with
> its flaws if I had to pick again I would still go with RHEV.
> >
> > Alternatively you can look into the Linux package called Xen (not citrix)
> Not sure why they named it the same name as the citrix product. Or you can
> go with KVM and pick your own KVM management interface.
> >
> > "Zac" Jason Woodward
> > Network Administrator
> > Intermountain Electronics, Inc.
> > O: 877-544-2291
> > M: 435-820-6515
> > F: 435-637-9601
> > www.ie-corp.com
> >
> > Creating customer confidence through extraordinary service and experienced
> industry experts.
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Scott Lepley
> > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:15 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Virtualization options
> >
> > Oh, OK. Wow, that was easy!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> > Of Waffqle
> > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:22 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vantage] Virtualization options
> >
> > Go with VMware.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Scott Lepley <
> > scott.lepley@<mailto:scott.lepley%40mercuryelectronics.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > Mercury Electronics has been considering virtualization for some time
> > and,
> > > now that Epicor is willing to support running Epicor 9 in a virtual
> > > environment, this consideration has now become a full-blown project.
> > Based
> > > upon previous postings to the list, it is clear that some companies have
> > > already implemented Epicor 9 in a virtualized environment. To the best
> > of
> > > my knowledge, only VMware vSphere and Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization
> > > have
> > > been mentioned as the virtualization technologies. We will be
> > considering
> > > both of those, but we will also be researching Microsoft's Hyper-V
> > > solution. If anyone on the list has implemented Hyper-V, we would
> > > certainly
> > > like to hear about your experience with it. I think these would be
> > > considered the "big three", but information about any others (e.g.
> > Citrix)
> > > would also be helpful.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Scott Lepley
> > >
> > > Systems Analyst
> > > Mercury Electronics Division
> > > Diversified Traffic Products, Inc.
> > > 3846 Green Valley Road
> > > P.O. Box 248
> > > Seven Valleys, PA 17360
> > > Tel.: 717-428-0222, ext. 250
> > > Fax: 717-428-0333
> > > Email: scott.lepley@<mailto:scott.lepley%40mercuryelectronics.com>
> > > Epicor v9.04.506a
> > >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Mercury Electronics has been considering virtualization for some time and,
now that Epicor is willing to support running Epicor 9 in a virtual
environment, this consideration has now become a full-blown project. Based
upon previous postings to the list, it is clear that some companies have
already implemented Epicor 9 in a virtualized environment. To the best of
my knowledge, only VMware vSphere and Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization have
been mentioned as the virtualization technologies. We will be considering
both of those, but we will also be researching Microsoft�s Hyper-V
solution. If anyone on the list has implemented Hyper-V, we would certainly
like to hear about your experience with it. I think these would be
considered the �big three�, but information about any others (e.g. Citrix)
would also be helpful.



Regards,
Scott Lepley



Systems Analyst
Mercury Electronics Division
Diversified Traffic Products, Inc.
3846 Green Valley Road
P.O. Box 248
Seven Valleys, PA 17360
Tel.: 717-428-0222, ext. 250
Fax: 717-428-0333
Email: scott.lepley@...
Epicor v9.04.506a


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Go with VMware.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Scott Lepley <
scott.lepley@...> wrote:

> Mercury Electronics has been considering virtualization for some time and,
> now that Epicor is willing to support running Epicor 9 in a virtual
> environment, this consideration has now become a full-blown project. Based
> upon previous postings to the list, it is clear that some companies have
> already implemented Epicor 9 in a virtualized environment. To the best of
> my knowledge, only VMware vSphere and Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization
> have
> been mentioned as the virtualization technologies. We will be considering
> both of those, but we will also be researching Microsoft�s Hyper-V
> solution. If anyone on the list has implemented Hyper-V, we would
> certainly
> like to hear about your experience with it. I think these would be
> considered the �big three�, but information about any others (e.g. Citrix)
> would also be helpful.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Scott Lepley
>
>
>
> Systems Analyst
> Mercury Electronics Division
> Diversified Traffic Products, Inc.
> 3846 Green Valley Road
> P.O. Box 248
> Seven Valleys, PA 17360
> Tel.: 717-428-0222, ext. 250
> Fax: 717-428-0333
> Email: scott.lepley@...
> Epicor v9.04.506a
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Oh, OK. Wow, that was easy!


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Waffqle
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:22 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Virtualization options

Go with VMware.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Scott Lepley <
scott.lepley@...> wrote:

> Mercury Electronics has been considering virtualization for some time
and,
> now that Epicor is willing to support running Epicor 9 in a virtual
> environment, this consideration has now become a full-blown project.
Based
> upon previous postings to the list, it is clear that some companies have
> already implemented Epicor 9 in a virtualized environment. To the best
of
> my knowledge, only VMware vSphere and Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization
> have
> been mentioned as the virtualization technologies. We will be
considering
> both of those, but we will also be researching Microsoft's Hyper-V
> solution. If anyone on the list has implemented Hyper-V, we would
> certainly
> like to hear about your experience with it. I think these would be
> considered the "big three", but information about any others (e.g.
Citrix)
> would also be helpful.
>
> Regards,
> Scott Lepley
>
> Systems Analyst
> Mercury Electronics Division
> Diversified Traffic Products, Inc.
> 3846 Green Valley Road
> P.O. Box 248
> Seven Valleys, PA 17360
> Tel.: 717-428-0222, ext. 250
> Fax: 717-428-0333
> Email: scott.lepley@...
> Epicor v9.04.506a
>
Im all for RHEV. Not saying that everything is perfect for it. Even with its flaws if I had to pick again I would still go with RHEV.

Alternatively you can look into the Linux package called Xen (not citrix) Not sure why they named it the same name as the citrix product. Or you can go with KVM and pick your own KVM management interface.

"Zac" Jason Woodward
Network Administrator
Intermountain Electronics, Inc.
O: 877-544-2291
M: 435-820-6515
F: 435-637-9601
www.ie-corp.com

Creating customer confidence through extraordinary service and experienced industry experts.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Lepley
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:15 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Virtualization options



Oh, OK. Wow, that was easy!

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Waffqle
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:22 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Virtualization options

Go with VMware.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Scott Lepley <
scott.lepley@...<mailto:scott.lepley%40mercuryelectronics.com>> wrote:

> Mercury Electronics has been considering virtualization for some time
and,
> now that Epicor is willing to support running Epicor 9 in a virtual
> environment, this consideration has now become a full-blown project.
Based
> upon previous postings to the list, it is clear that some companies have
> already implemented Epicor 9 in a virtualized environment. To the best
of
> my knowledge, only VMware vSphere and Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization
> have
> been mentioned as the virtualization technologies. We will be
considering
> both of those, but we will also be researching Microsoft's Hyper-V
> solution. If anyone on the list has implemented Hyper-V, we would
> certainly
> like to hear about your experience with it. I think these would be
> considered the "big three", but information about any others (e.g.
Citrix)
> would also be helpful.
>
> Regards,
> Scott Lepley
>
> Systems Analyst
> Mercury Electronics Division
> Diversified Traffic Products, Inc.
> 3846 Green Valley Road
> P.O. Box 248
> Seven Valleys, PA 17360
> Tel.: 717-428-0222, ext. 250
> Fax: 717-428-0333
> Email: scott.lepley@...<mailto:scott.lepley%40mercuryelectronics.com>
> Epicor v9.04.506a
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Scott,
If you have waited this long for virtualization because Epicor did not support it, you may consider going with their recommendation here too – looks like what they know and worked with is VMware!
BTW, we installed 8.03 4 years ago and always had it on a VMware cluster – never had any issues with Epicor that were caused by the environment.
Must say it has been a huge save of time for testing upgrades and re-creating test system from production.


Motty


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Zac Jason Woodward <zac@...> wrote:
>
> Im all for RHEV. Not saying that everything is perfect for it. Even with its flaws if I had to pick again I would still go with RHEV.
>
> Alternatively you can look into the Linux package called Xen (not citrix) Not sure why they named it the same name as the citrix product. Or you can go with KVM and pick your own KVM management interface.
>
> "Zac" Jason Woodward
> Network Administrator
> Intermountain Electronics, Inc.
> O: 877-544-2291
> M: 435-820-6515
> F: 435-637-9601
> www.ie-corp.com
>
> Creating customer confidence through extraordinary service and experienced industry experts.
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Lepley
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:15 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Virtualization options
>
>
>
> Oh, OK. Wow, that was easy!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> Of Waffqle
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:22 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Virtualization options
>
> Go with VMware.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Scott Lepley <
> scott.lepley@...<mailto:scott.lepley%40mercuryelectronics.com>> wrote:
>
> > Mercury Electronics has been considering virtualization for some time
> and,
> > now that Epicor is willing to support running Epicor 9 in a virtual
> > environment, this consideration has now become a full-blown project.
> Based
> > upon previous postings to the list, it is clear that some companies have
> > already implemented Epicor 9 in a virtualized environment. To the best
> of
> > my knowledge, only VMware vSphere and Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization
> > have
> > been mentioned as the virtualization technologies. We will be
> considering
> > both of those, but we will also be researching Microsoft's Hyper-V
> > solution. If anyone on the list has implemented Hyper-V, we would
> > certainly
> > like to hear about your experience with it. I think these would be
> > considered the "big three", but information about any others (e.g.
> Citrix)
> > would also be helpful.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Scott Lepley
> >
> > Systems Analyst
> > Mercury Electronics Division
> > Diversified Traffic Products, Inc.
> > 3846 Green Valley Road
> > P.O. Box 248
> > Seven Valleys, PA 17360
> > Tel.: 717-428-0222, ext. 250
> > Fax: 717-428-0333
> > Email: scott.lepley@...<mailto:scott.lepley%40mercuryelectronics.com>
> > Epicor v9.04.506a
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Thank you Motty and Zac for the info.



Motty, I have just two points in reply. One, to clarify, we�ve been using
VMware Workstation for a while, but only in a limited manner to provide VM�s
for testing (agree it has been very helpful for that purpose). But now,
we�re planning to go full-bore to virtualize all of our servers (three
Windows, one Linux), hence my original post. Two, in their recent webcast
regarding virtualized environments, Epicor seemed to present Hyper-V at
least as favorably as vSphere, perhaps even more so considering the cost.
Again, we�re just looking for feedback from users about their real-life
experiences.



Regards,
Scott


------------------------------

*From:* vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf
Of *Mordechai
*Sent:* Friday, April 08, 2011 7:10 AM
*To:* vantage@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* [Vantage] Re: Virtualization options



Scott,
If you have waited this long for virtualization because Epicor did not
support it, you may consider going with their recommendation here too �
looks like what they know and worked with is VMware!
BTW, we installed 8.03 4 years ago and always had it on a VMware cluster �
never had any issues with Epicor that were caused by the environment.
Must say it has been a huge save of time for testing upgrades and
re-creating test system from production.

Motty

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Zac Jason Woodward <zac@...> wrote:
>
> Im all for RHEV. Not saying that everything is perfect for it. Even with
its flaws if I had to pick again I would still go with RHEV.
>
> Alternatively you can look into the Linux package called Xen (not citrix)
Not sure why they named it the same name as the citrix product. Or you can
go with KVM and pick your own KVM management interface.
>
> "Zac" Jason Woodward
> Network Administrator
> Intermountain Electronics, Inc.
> O: 877-544-2291
> M: 435-820-6515
> F: 435-637-9601
> www.ie-corp.com
>
> Creating customer confidence through extraordinary service and experienced
industry experts.
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Lepley
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:15 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Virtualization options
>
> Oh, OK. Wow, that was easy!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> Of Waffqle
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:22 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Virtualization options
>
> Go with VMware.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Scott Lepley <
> scott.lepley@...<mailto:scott.lepley%40mercuryelectronics.com>> wrote:
>
> > Mercury Electronics has been considering virtualization for some time
> and,
> > now that Epicor is willing to support running Epicor 9 in a virtual
> > environment, this consideration has now become a full-blown project.
> Based
> > upon previous postings to the list, it is clear that some companies have
> > already implemented Epicor 9 in a virtualized environment. To the best
> of
> > my knowledge, only VMware vSphere and Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization
> > have
> > been mentioned as the virtualization technologies. We will be
> considering
> > both of those, but we will also be researching Microsoft's Hyper-V
> > solution. If anyone on the list has implemented Hyper-V, we would
> > certainly
> > like to hear about your experience with it. I think these would be
> > considered the "big three", but information about any others (e.g.
> Citrix)
> > would also be helpful.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Scott Lepley
> >
> > Systems Analyst
> > Mercury Electronics Division
> > Diversified Traffic Products, Inc.
> > 3846 Green Valley Road
> > P.O. Box 248
> > Seven Valleys, PA 17360
> > Tel.: 717-428-0222, ext. 250
> > Fax: 717-428-0333
> > Email: scott.lepley@...<mailto:scott.lepley%40mercuryelectronics.com>
> > Epicor v9.04.506a
> >
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
If you're not interested in HA (i.e. vMotion), you can pick up a
vSphere Essentials license (3 physical servers, 2 sockets each, up to 6
cores per socket, w/ a vSphere management console) for less than $1K.

You'll find lots more folks with VMware experience out there than
Hyper-V.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Lepley
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:15 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Virtualization options

Thank you Motty and Zac for the info.



Motty, I have just two points in reply. One, to clarify, we've been
using
VMware Workstation for a while, but only in a limited manner to provide
VM's
for testing (agree it has been very helpful for that purpose). But now,
we're planning to go full-bore to virtualize all of our servers (three
Windows, one Linux), hence my original post. Two, in their recent
webcast
regarding virtualized environments, Epicor seemed to present Hyper-V at
least as favorably as vSphere, perhaps even more so considering the
cost.
Again, we're just looking for feedback from users about their real-life
experiences.



Regards,
Scott


------------------------------

*From:* vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] *On
Behalf
Of *Mordechai
*Sent:* Friday, April 08, 2011 7:10 AM
*To:* vantage@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* [Vantage] Re: Virtualization options



Scott,
If you have waited this long for virtualization because Epicor did not
support it, you may consider going with their recommendation here too -
looks like what they know and worked with is VMware!
BTW, we installed 8.03 4 years ago and always had it on a VMware cluster
-
never had any issues with Epicor that were caused by the environment.
Must say it has been a huge save of time for testing upgrades and
re-creating test system from production.

Motty

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Zac Jason Woodward <zac@...> wrote:
>
> Im all for RHEV. Not saying that everything is perfect for it. Even
with
its flaws if I had to pick again I would still go with RHEV.
>
> Alternatively you can look into the Linux package called Xen (not
citrix)
Not sure why they named it the same name as the citrix product. Or you
can
go with KVM and pick your own KVM management interface.
>
> "Zac" Jason Woodward
> Network Administrator
> Intermountain Electronics, Inc.
> O: 877-544-2291
> M: 435-820-6515
> F: 435-637-9601
> www.ie-corp.com
>
> Creating customer confidence through extraordinary service and
experienced
industry experts.
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Scott Lepley
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:15 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Virtualization options
>
> Oh, OK. Wow, that was easy!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:
vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> Of Waffqle
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:22 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Virtualization options
>
> Go with VMware.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Scott Lepley <
> scott.lepley@...<mailto:scott.lepley%40mercuryelectronics.com>> wrote:
>
> > Mercury Electronics has been considering virtualization for some
time
> and,
> > now that Epicor is willing to support running Epicor 9 in a virtual
> > environment, this consideration has now become a full-blown project.
> Based
> > upon previous postings to the list, it is clear that some companies
have
> > already implemented Epicor 9 in a virtualized environment. To the
best
> of
> > my knowledge, only VMware vSphere and Red Hat Enterprise
Virtualization
> > have
> > been mentioned as the virtualization technologies. We will be
> considering
> > both of those, but we will also be researching Microsoft's Hyper-V
> > solution. If anyone on the list has implemented Hyper-V, we would
> > certainly
> > like to hear about your experience with it. I think these would be
> > considered the "big three", but information about any others (e.g.
> Citrix)
> > would also be helpful.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Scott Lepley
> >
> > Systems Analyst
> > Mercury Electronics Division
> > Diversified Traffic Products, Inc.
> > 3846 Green Valley Road
> > P.O. Box 248
> > Seven Valleys, PA 17360
> > Tel.: 717-428-0222, ext. 250
> > Fax: 717-428-0333
> > Email:
scott.lepley@...<mailto:scott.lepley%40mercuryelectronics.com>
> > Epicor v9.04.506a
> >
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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Anyone know if the crashing problem with vMotion and OpenEdge has been fixed?

"Zac" Jason Woodward
Network Administrator
Intermountain Electronics, Inc.
O: 877-544-2291
M: 435-820-6515
F: 435-637-9601
www.ie-corp.com

Creating customer confidence through extraordinary service and experienced industry experts.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian W. Spolarich
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 9:18 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Virtualization options



If you're not interested in HA (i.e. vMotion), you can pick up a
vSphere Essentials license (3 physical servers, 2 sockets each, up to 6
cores per socket, w/ a vSphere management console) for less than $1K.

You'll find lots more folks with VMware experience out there than
Hyper-V.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Scott Lepley
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:15 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Virtualization options

Thank you Motty and Zac for the info.

Motty, I have just two points in reply. One, to clarify, we've been
using
VMware Workstation for a while, but only in a limited manner to provide
VM's
for testing (agree it has been very helpful for that purpose). But now,
we're planning to go full-bore to virtualize all of our servers (three
Windows, one Linux), hence my original post. Two, in their recent
webcast
regarding virtualized environments, Epicor seemed to present Hyper-V at
least as favorably as vSphere, perhaps even more so considering the
cost.
Again, we're just looking for feedback from users about their real-life
experiences.

Regards,
Scott

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*From:* vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] *On
Behalf
Of *Mordechai
*Sent:* Friday, April 08, 2011 7:10 AM
*To:* vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
*Subject:* [Vantage] Re: Virtualization options

Scott,
If you have waited this long for virtualization because Epicor did not
support it, you may consider going with their recommendation here too -
looks like what they know and worked with is VMware!
BTW, we installed 8.03 4 years ago and always had it on a VMware cluster
-
never had any issues with Epicor that were caused by the environment.
Must say it has been a huge save of time for testing upgrades and
re-creating test system from production.

Motty

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, Zac Jason Woodward <zac@...> wrote:
>
> Im all for RHEV. Not saying that everything is perfect for it. Even
with
its flaws if I had to pick again I would still go with RHEV.
>
> Alternatively you can look into the Linux package called Xen (not
citrix)
Not sure why they named it the same name as the citrix product. Or you
can
go with KVM and pick your own KVM management interface.
>
> "Zac" Jason Woodward
> Network Administrator
> Intermountain Electronics, Inc.
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>
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> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf
Of Scott Lepley
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:15 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Virtualization options
>
> Oh, OK. Wow, that was easy!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:
vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> Of Waffqle
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:22 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Virtualization options
>
> Go with VMware.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Scott Lepley <
> scott.lepley@...<mailto:scott.lepley%40mercuryelectronics.com>> wrote:
>
> > Mercury Electronics has been considering virtualization for some
time
> and,
> > now that Epicor is willing to support running Epicor 9 in a virtual
> > environment, this consideration has now become a full-blown project.
> Based
> > upon previous postings to the list, it is clear that some companies
have
> > already implemented Epicor 9 in a virtualized environment. To the
best
> of
> > my knowledge, only VMware vSphere and Red Hat Enterprise
Virtualization
> > have
> > been mentioned as the virtualization technologies. We will be
> considering
> > both of those, but we will also be researching Microsoft's Hyper-V
> > solution. If anyone on the list has implemented Hyper-V, we would
> > certainly
> > like to hear about your experience with it. I think these would be
> > considered the "big three", but information about any others (e.g.
> Citrix)
> > would also be helpful.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Scott Lepley
> >
> > Systems Analyst
> > Mercury Electronics Division
> > Diversified Traffic Products, Inc.
> > 3846 Green Valley Road
> > P.O. Box 248
> > Seven Valleys, PA 17360
> > Tel.: 717-428-0222, ext. 250
> > Fax: 717-428-0333
> > Email:
scott.lepley@...<mailto:scott.lepley%40mercuryelectronics.com>
> > Epicor v9.04.506a
> >
>

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My .02;

We are running E9 in VMWare Vsphere and it works fine for us. There are caveats, but I think there would be with any system.
VMWare has published a "Best Practices" paper on Epicor 9 with their test results, and Epicor has also three white papers on using VM
Ware. I don't think any other virtualization vendor has done that yet.

A lot of testing is recommended, but it is much easier in a virtual environment.

I would recommend, and so does Epicor, using Server 2008 R2 Enterprise, as it handles RAM better and allows scaling more RAM which I find that Epicor is RAM hungry in the VM Environment. I have 28GB of RAM currently, and I started with 16 and have kept pushing it up as demand required.

This group is invaluable for your testing so rely on the users here who have done it and can give real answers to what you will run into.

Good Luck!

George Hicks
PCI


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Scott Lepley <scott.lepley@...> wrote:
>
> Mercury Electronics has been considering virtualization for some time and,
> now that Epicor is willing to support running Epicor 9 in a virtual
> environment, this consideration has now become a full-blown project. Based
> upon previous postings to the list, it is clear that some companies have
> already implemented Epicor 9 in a virtualized environment. To the best of
> my knowledge, only VMware vSphere and Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization have
> been mentioned as the virtualization technologies. We will be considering
> both of those, but we will also be researching Microsoft's Hyper-V
> solution. If anyone on the list has implemented Hyper-V, we would certainly
> like to hear about your experience with it. I think these would be
> considered the "big three", but information about any others (e.g. Citrix)
> would also be helpful.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Scott Lepley
>
>
>
> Systems Analyst
> Mercury Electronics Division
> Diversified Traffic Products, Inc.
> 3846 Green Valley Road
> P.O. Box 248
> Seven Valleys, PA 17360
> Tel.: 717-428-0222, ext. 250
> Fax: 717-428-0333
> Email: scott.lepley@...
> Epicor v9.04.506a
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Ok, I can't resist throwing at least one monkey wrench into the equation. For whatever reason when discussing virtualization options all of the options discussed are hardware virtualization (ie VMWare, Hyper-V, etc.). None are OS virtualization technologies like Solaris zones or, more appropriately to this forum, Parallels Virtuoso Containers. Virtuoso, for example, is wildly popular amongst ISP's for provisioning virtual private servers because OS virtualization doesn't require the resources of hardware virtualization and therefore more servers can be provisioned per host hardware. Additionally, because the hardware isn't virtualized, OS virtualization vastly outperforms hardware virtualization for production applications. The downside is that you can only run multiple instances of the host OS so you cannot run multiple OS's on the host hardware but, then again, how many production environments need multiple OS's?

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

On Apr 8, 2011, at 9:41 AM, pcivantage wrote:

> My .02;
>
> We are running E9 in VMWare Vsphere and it works fine for us. There are caveats, but I think there would be with any system.
> VMWare has published a "Best Practices" paper on Epicor 9 with their test results, and Epicor has also three white papers on using VM
> Ware. I don't think any other virtualization vendor has done that yet.
>
> A lot of testing is recommended, but it is much easier in a virtual environment.
>
> I would recommend, and so does Epicor, using Server 2008 R2 Enterprise, as it handles RAM better and allows scaling more RAM which I find that Epicor is RAM hungry in the VM Environment. I have 28GB of RAM currently, and I started with 16 and have kept pushing it up as demand required.
>
> This group is invaluable for your testing so rely on the users here who have done it and can give real answers to what you will run into.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> George Hicks
> PCI
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Scott Lepley <scott.lepley@...> wrote:
> >
> > Mercury Electronics has been considering virtualization for some time and,
> > now that Epicor is willing to support running Epicor 9 in a virtual
> > environment, this consideration has now become a full-blown project. Based
> > upon previous postings to the list, it is clear that some companies have
> > already implemented Epicor 9 in a virtualized environment. To the best of
> > my knowledge, only VMware vSphere and Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization have
> > been mentioned as the virtualization technologies. We will be considering
> > both of those, but we will also be researching Microsoft's Hyper-V
> > solution. If anyone on the list has implemented Hyper-V, we would certainly
> > like to hear about your experience with it. I think these would be
> > considered the "big three", but information about any others (e.g. Citrix)
> > would also be helpful.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Scott Lepley
> >
> >
> >
> > Systems Analyst
> > Mercury Electronics Division
> > Diversified Traffic Products, Inc.
> > 3846 Green Valley Road
> > P.O. Box 248
> > Seven Valleys, PA 17360
> > Tel.: 717-428-0222, ext. 250
> > Fax: 717-428-0333
> > Email: scott.lepley@...
> > Epicor v9.04.506a
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>



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