VMWARE Blank Title 114668

You definitely need to still produce SQL backups independent of any VM backups.

The responsibility to be able recover from any scenario to any point in time with full transactional consistency demands that SQL backups are done.

There are products out there that will perform SQL backup/ Exchange backup/Sharepoint backups in addition to the VM. Definitely helps.

John A. Hatcher
Manager of IS
Versa Products Co., Inc.
(201) 843-2400 x4148
(201) 843-2931 fax


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Good morning Epicor Users:

Anyone running Epicor on VMware? I need your help. Upgrading to 9.05 from 9.04 from a physical machine to
a virtual environment. I've installed 9.05 (test environment) on 2 virtual machines Application and Sql database running separate.

Performance on VMware is somewhat slow compared to the physical install. Just wondering if there are
any specs that I need my VMs to have. Each VM is running with 8 cpu cores and 16gb of Ram. How can
I fine tune for better performance. Thanks for your recommendations.

Ken


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We're running Epicor (and all our other servers) via vmware as I'm sure
many others are.

You don't really need to do anything 'tweaky' to vmware to get it to
perform well, it's mostly just a matter of having adequate hardware. Check
your perfmon and see where it's bottlenecking and assign more resources as
needed. I'd guess it's probably your disks as they the main culprit in
performances issues 90% of the time, especially in virtualized situation.

What kind of disk setup are you using?

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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Ken Taylor <ktaylorv@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Good morning Epicor Users:
>
> Anyone running Epicor on VMware? I need your help. Upgrading to 9.05 from
> 9.04 from a physical machine to
> a virtual environment. I've installed 9.05 (test environment) on 2 virtual
> machines Application and Sql database running separate.
>
> Performance on VMware is somewhat slow compared to the physical install.
> Just wondering if there are
> any specs that I need my VMs to have. Each VM is running with 8 cpu cores
> and 16gb of Ram. How can
> I fine tune for better performance. Thanks for your recommendations.
>
> Ken
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Usually your bottle neck is the HD
Is it a SAN? If not, how are your drives setup?

VMWare isn't special it works just about the same. YOu have two separate
VM's on the same server? If so then there is no point. You'd want to
separate them to do better load balancing but if they are on the sam
ephysical box, reading form the same Hard Drives. You will be better off
running on the same box.

*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
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<http://www.usdoingstuff.com>

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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Ken Taylor <ktaylorv@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Good morning Epicor Users:
>
> Anyone running Epicor on VMware? I need your help. Upgrading to 9.05 from
> 9.04 from a physical machine to
> a virtual environment. I've installed 9.05 (test environment) on 2 virtual
> machines Application and Sql database running separate.
>
> Performance on VMware is somewhat slow compared to the physical install.
> Just wondering if there are
> any specs that I need my VMs to have. Each VM is running with 8 cpu cores
> and 16gb of Ram. How can
> I fine tune for better performance. Thanks for your recommendations.
>
> Ken
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Jose and John, thanks for your reply. I have my VMs running on a SAN storage system (Netapp)
with SATA drives(14). I have 2 VMs, one database and one application. 2 Hypervisors for High Availability
If the bottleneck is the HD, should I move the SQL database to a physical machine? will it make a difference?


Appreciate your input.

Ken



________________________________
From: Jose Gomez <jose@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] VMWARE

Usually your bottle neck is the HD
Is it a SAN? If not, how are your drives setup?

VMWare isn't special it works just about the same. YOu have two separate
VM's on the same server? If so then there is no point. You'd want to
separate them to do better load balancing but if they are on the sam
ephysical box, reading form the same Hard Drives. You will be better off
running on the same box.

*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
 <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
 <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
 <http://www.usdoingstuff.com>

*Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*



On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Ken Taylor <ktaylorv@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Good morning Epicor Users:
>
> Anyone running Epicor on VMware? I need your help. Upgrading to 9.05 from
> 9.04 from a physical machine to
> a virtual environment. I've installed 9.05 (test environment) on 2 virtual
> machines Application and Sql database running separate.
>
> Performance on VMware is somewhat slow compared to the physical install.
> Just wondering if there are
> any specs that I need my VMs to have. Each VM is running with 8 cpu cores
> and 16gb of Ram. How can
> I fine tune for better performance. Thanks for your recommendations.
>
> Ken
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>


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Epicor has a white paper specifically discussing running Epicor in a
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ken Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:09 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] VMWARE





Jose and John, thanks for your reply. I have my VMs running on a SAN
storage system (Netapp)
with SATA drives(14). I have 2 VMs, one database and one application. 2
Hypervisors for High Availability
If the bottleneck is the HD, should I move the SQL database to a
physical machine? will it make a difference?

Appreciate your input.

Ken

________________________________
From: Jose Gomez <jose@... <mailto:jose%40josecgomez.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] VMWARE

Usually your bottle neck is the HD
Is it a SAN? If not, how are your drives setup?

VMWare isn't special it works just about the same. YOu have two separate
VM's on the same server? If so then there is no point. You'd want to
separate them to do better load balancing but if they are on the sam
ephysical box, reading form the same Hard Drives. You will be better off
running on the same box.

*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@... <mailto:jose%40josecgomez.com>
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez>
<http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
<http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez>
<http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
<http://www.usdoingstuff.com>

*Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Ken Taylor <ktaylorv@...
<mailto:ktaylorv%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

> **
>
>
> Good morning Epicor Users:
>
> Anyone running Epicor on VMware? I need your help. Upgrading to 9.05
from
> 9.04 from a physical machine to
> a virtual environment. I've installed 9.05 (test environment) on 2
virtual
> machines Application and Sql database running separate.
>
> Performance on VMware is somewhat slow compared to the physical
install.
> Just wondering if there are
> any specs that I need my VMs to have. Each VM is running with 8 cpu
cores
> and 16gb of Ram. How can
> I fine tune for better performance. Thanks for your recommendations.
>
> Ken
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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What kind of issues might you encounter running SQL in a VM?

Do you still run normal backups of SQL or just the VM in a running state?

Will SQL cleanly recover in a running VM?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Ken Taylor <ktaylorv@...> wrote:
>
> Jose and John, thanks for your reply. I have my VMs running on a SAN storage system (Netapp)
> with SATA drives(14). I have 2 VMs, one database and one application. 2 Hypervisors for High Availability
> If the bottleneck is the HD, should I move the SQL database to a physical machine? will it make a difference?
>
>
> Appreciate your input.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jose Gomez <jose@...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] VMWARE
>
> Usually your bottle neck is the HD
> Is it a SAN? If not, how are your drives setup?
>
> VMWare isn't special it works just about the same. YOu have two separate
> VM's on the same server? If so then there is no point. You'd want to
> separate them to do better load balancing but if they are on the sam
> ephysical box, reading form the same Hard Drives. You will be better off
> running on the same box.
>
> *Jose C Gomez*
> *Software Engineer*
> *
> *
> *
> *T: 904.469.1524 mobile
> E: jose@...
> http://www.josecgomez.com
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
> Â <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
> Â <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
> Â <http://www.usdoingstuff.com>
>
> *Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Ken Taylor <ktaylorv@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Good morning Epicor Users:
> >
> > Anyone running Epicor on VMware? I need your help. Upgrading to 9.05 from
> > 9.04 from a physical machine to
> > a virtual environment. I've installed 9.05 (test environment) on 2 virtual
> > machines Application and Sql database running separate.
> >
> > Performance on VMware is somewhat slow compared to the physical install.
> > Just wondering if there are
> > any specs that I need my VMs to have. Each VM is running with 8 cpu cores
> > and 16gb of Ram. How can
> > I fine tune for better performance. Thanks for your recommendations.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >Â
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note:Â You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.%c2%a0
> (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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