Windows Terminal Server w/ Thin Client Experiences

Go with Windows 2008, that TS client is awesome. It does have
the "shell" like 03. It's a shortcut on the users desktop, like any
other app.

I have 2003 TS using 64bit, dual Quads 2.66 and 16 gig. I'have had 15
sessions of full Vantage w/o even making that puppy breathe hard. My
only issue is 64bit printer drivers. Also Open4 does not like the TS
environment but it runs like apig across any WAN.

Looking at 2008 though, no windows shell to log into first, very cool.

Tom Bosko
Miner Enterprises
I am considering setting up Windows 2003 Terminal Server(s) to run
about 50 MES users with Wyse Thin Clients connecting thru RDP.

Please share your experience doing this and/or give me some input on
what I can expect from this configuration ?

I am interested in the following :

1. Application problems directly attributable to running on Terminal
Server. (i.e. does this work well or is it problematic)

2. How many sessions can I expect to get per Server ? (Assuming ample
horsepower & good network)

3. User experiences, response time, printer configuration, session
connection and disconnection.

Any words of wisdom would be greatly appreciated !

Neil
I had very good success with TeleVideo RDP Thin Clients with MES,
actually about the same amount of users too with touch-screen
capabilities and had no problem. After the Tele-Video fall out I went
with a company called DTResearch:



http://www.dtresearch.com/product/512/index.htm



Because of the need for the 800x600 resolution that a lot of newer
models don't have but they still offer with Windows CE.



I used CDW to purchase all of my thin client needs at one time but then
came across the actual supplier that SUPPLIES CDW which is M. Miller and
Associates and would recommend talking to the owner Mike Miller direct
at 920-748-4800 as he has sold lord only knows how many thin clients to
users of Vantage and is aware of the needs for specific resolutions and
again he is the supplier to a lot of the larger companies like CDW and
Insight so there is a little bit of a price break there. I'm not trying
to solicit I'm just letting you know how its worked out for me.



I ran 50 clients on one Terminal Server and things worked out nicely,
just make sure its pretty beefed up. My server is an HP DL380 G4





Christopher Ryhal

Senior Microsoft Consultant

Perpetual Technologies, Inc

chris.ryhal@... <mailto:chris.ryhal@...>

http://www.perptech.com

Office: (317) 824-0393

Mobile: (317) 364-2134



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of too_much_hg
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:22 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Windows Terminal Server w/ Thin Client Experiences



I am considering setting up Windows 2003 Terminal Server(s) to run
about 50 MES users with Wyse Thin Clients connecting thru RDP.

Please share your experience doing this and/or give me some input on
what I can expect from this configuration ?

I am interested in the following :

1. Application problems directly attributable to running on Terminal
Server. (i.e. does this work well or is it problematic)

2. How many sessions can I expect to get per Server ? (Assuming ample
horsepower & good network)

3. User experiences, response time, printer configuration, session
connection and disconnection.

Any words of wisdom would be greatly appreciated !

Neil





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Neil,

We use the basic configuration you describe - started at 8.00.809 and now on 8.03.405a (SQL Server).

Server is an HP DL360 4Gp
2 x 3.6GHz Xeon
2 GB RAM
Mirrored 36GB 15K rpm drives
Windows STD 2003 R2 SP2
We also moved to a Windows 2008 AD environment recently with no problems in terminals.

Clients are Wyse V70 with elo 15" touch screens.
We have a 1Gb backbone but these are 100Mb terminals.
We plan to add Symbol 2208 scanners but have only done a proof of concept so far.

We only have 8 terminals running - barely challenges the server but we were sizing for up to 20 (with more memory). The only real loading it gets is at shift end when everyone is trying to clock out at once. I can't speak for MES directly but we've found TS/Citrix would begin to slow down in the 18 to 25 user range on a two processor server in an office environment.
The Wyse V70 is probably too much also but they were left over from a decommissioned Citrix environment. I did not expect them to do well in the shop since we are on the Texas Gulf coast but I've not replaced any of them in 3 years. The elo screens work great but reliability has been questionable; replaced 5 of 8 so far (they have a 5 year warranty so it's just been the inconvenience).

We have given each terminal its own Windows and Vantage account for flexibility and manageability. It is tedious to setup but makes problem resolution easier. They are configured to auto-reboot and connect if someone does a close. Suggest a few things I've not gotten to yet - script your Vantage server to do a network clean log off the terminal server accounts anytime you restart the Appservers. This leaves the terminals where a single screen touch will restart and connect the terminal. For 50 terminals I'd give some thought to adding Appservers so a problem with one doesn't force all 50 terminals to go down.

Aside from a few quirks in the MES program in various versions we have had good success with this setup.

David J. Murphy
Information Systems Manager
A&A Machine & Fabrication, LLC
Elevating the Art of precision machining
and fabrication from concept to completion
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Hi Neil,

I could be wrong, but Im sure I have seen somewhere in the Vantage hardware sizing guide that the max no. of WTS users per server should be 15 max.

Don't know if I have made this up or not but I am sure I have seen it somewhere.

I will try and find the document.

Cheers,

CHRIS




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From: too_much_hg <neil_willet@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 5:22:17 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Windows Terminal Server w/ Thin Client Experiences


I am considering setting up Windows 2003 Terminal Server(s) to run
about 50 MES users with Wyse Thin Clients connecting thru RDP.

Please share your experience doing this and/or give me some input on
what I can expect from this configuration ?

I am interested in the following :

1. Application problems directly attributable to running on Terminal
Server. (i.e. does this work well or is it problematic)

2. How many sessions can I expect to get per Server ? (Assuming ample
horsepower & good network)

3. User experiences, response time, printer configuration, session
connection and disconnection.

Any words of wisdom would be greatly appreciated !

Neil

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