WIP Tracking (8.03)

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Sorry, that last sentence should read "Job Tracker", not "Part
Tracker".

-Peter


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "pvolkert365" <pvolkert@...> wrote:
>
> We have found that Job Adjustments affect the labor record
quantity
> but do not affect the WIP location quantity, which is stored in
the
> PartWip table, and which is displayed in Part Tracker on the Part
> Locations tab.
>
> -Peter
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Smith" <CSmith@> wrote:
> >
> > And the Job adjustments (Labor, Material or Subcontract) don't
> resolve
> > the matter? If the second operator makes a mistake, you can
> > update/correct the labor card or do a job adjustment to the
labor.
> That
> > would resolve the WIP issues.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]
On
> Behalf
> > Of pvolkert365
> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:55 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] WIP Tracking (8.03)
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't hear any chatter on this topic and do not understand why
> we
> > are the only ones experiencing this problem. We cannot seem to
get
> > our WIP tracking numbers to come out right. And then we have a
> heck
> > of a time fixing them when they are wrong. We do have AMM, but I
> do
> > not believe it comes into play here. We are producing
electronics,
> > so we have enormous BOMs and extensive BOOs.
> >
> > When an operator completes 10 units at operation 30, Vantage
moves
> > 10 units of WIP to operation 40. If two operators both (by
> mistake)
> > report the 10 units, operation 40 now has 20 units of WIP, even
if
> > the job is only for 10. I do understand that a Shop Warning can
be
> > activated to warn the second operator. If we elect to do steps
out
> > of sequence, I do understand that there is a selection on the
> > completion screen to designate what operation is next. But if an
> > error is made, the WIP quantity goes to the next sequential
step,
> > not the next intended step.
> >
> > Vantage actually has an answer for all the possible mistakes an
> > operator can make. So if our operators paid attention and never
> > made a mistake, there would be no issue. But what Epicor does
not
> > provide is a way to correct a mistake once the WIP is either
> > overstated or is on the wrong operation. We have come up with a
> > workaround where we create a new operation sequence 3 and move
> > undesired WIP to it, and then we don't include operation 3 on
any
> > WIP reports we create. Does anyone have a better way? Is this
even
> > an issue for anyone else?
> >
> > Peter Volkert
> > Symetrics Industries
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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I don't hear any chatter on this topic and do not understand why we
are the only ones experiencing this problem. We cannot seem to get
our WIP tracking numbers to come out right. And then we have a heck
of a time fixing them when they are wrong. We do have AMM, but I do
not believe it comes into play here. We are producing electronics,
so we have enormous BOMs and extensive BOOs.

When an operator completes 10 units at operation 30, Vantage moves
10 units of WIP to operation 40. If two operators both (by mistake)
report the 10 units, operation 40 now has 20 units of WIP, even if
the job is only for 10. I do understand that a Shop Warning can be
activated to warn the second operator. If we elect to do steps out
of sequence, I do understand that there is a selection on the
completion screen to designate what operation is next. But if an
error is made, the WIP quantity goes to the next sequential step,
not the next intended step.

Vantage actually has an answer for all the possible mistakes an
operator can make. So if our operators paid attention and never
made a mistake, there would be no issue. But what Epicor does not
provide is a way to correct a mistake once the WIP is either
overstated or is on the wrong operation. We have come up with a
workaround where we create a new operation sequence 3 and move
undesired WIP to it, and then we don't include operation 3 on any
WIP reports we create. Does anyone have a better way? Is this even
an issue for anyone else?

Peter Volkert
Symetrics Industries
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(Theoretically) you should be able to correct incorrect WIP values using "Job Adjustment". However my (admittedly limited) experience with this program has been that it often compounds the problems as it 'corrects' via additional labor entry adjustment records - and they often don't seem to have the total desired affect on the Job being adjusted.

I've found that errant OpDtl labor activity reporting is better to be outright deleted and re-entered as appropriate.

Your scheduler issues re: purposefully (oportunistically) doing scheduled Ops out of the defined job detail sequence - and then the scheduler not 'understanding' that you actually have to go backwards and process a previous OP before the in-process quantity is really available for a future OP - is nothing that you wouldn't encounter with any other system (in this price range).

The only way you might be able to make the system behave more desirably is to construct your MoMs so that all OPs that can be done in any sequence are defined consecutively in the MoM - then indicate that all of these OPs can be scheduled Start-to-Start so the scheduler understands they can be overlapped in any parallel sequence - but all must be completed before a 'critical' OP that follows (for which all prior OPs must actually be completed in order for it to actually occur) is defined as Finish-to-Start.

To get the behavior you want, you may have to insert a 'dummy OP' between the any-processing-sequence-is-OK OPs and the all-prior-OPs-must-be-1st-completed OPs in order for this to really work. (Try modelling it in an offline copy of your system.)

Rob Brown
Versa Products

pvolkert365 <pvolkert@...> wrote:
I don't hear any chatter on this topic and do not understand why we
are the only ones experiencing this problem. We cannot seem to get
our WIP tracking numbers to come out right. And then we have a heck
of a time fixing them when they are wrong. We do have AMM, but I do
not believe it comes into play here. We are producing electronics,
so we have enormous BOMs and extensive BOOs.

When an operator completes 10 units at operation 30, Vantage moves
10 units of WIP to operation 40. If two operators both (by mistake)
report the 10 units, operation 40 now has 20 units of WIP, even if
the job is only for 10. I do understand that a Shop Warning can be
activated to warn the second operator. If we elect to do steps out
of sequence, I do understand that there is a selection on the
completion screen to designate what operation is next. But if an
error is made, the WIP quantity goes to the next sequential step,
not the next intended step.

Vantage actually has an answer for all the possible mistakes an
operator can make. So if our operators paid attention and never
made a mistake, there would be no issue. But what Epicor does not
provide is a way to correct a mistake once the WIP is either
overstated or is on the wrong operation. We have come up with a
workaround where we create a new operation sequence 3 and move
undesired WIP to it, and then we don't include operation 3 on any
WIP reports we create. Does anyone have a better way? Is this even
an issue for anyone else?

Peter Volkert
Symetrics Industries






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And the Job adjustments (Labor, Material or Subcontract) don't resolve
the matter? If the second operator makes a mistake, you can
update/correct the labor card or do a job adjustment to the labor. That
would resolve the WIP issues.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of pvolkert365
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] WIP Tracking (8.03)



I don't hear any chatter on this topic and do not understand why we
are the only ones experiencing this problem. We cannot seem to get
our WIP tracking numbers to come out right. And then we have a heck
of a time fixing them when they are wrong. We do have AMM, but I do
not believe it comes into play here. We are producing electronics,
so we have enormous BOMs and extensive BOOs.

When an operator completes 10 units at operation 30, Vantage moves
10 units of WIP to operation 40. If two operators both (by mistake)
report the 10 units, operation 40 now has 20 units of WIP, even if
the job is only for 10. I do understand that a Shop Warning can be
activated to warn the second operator. If we elect to do steps out
of sequence, I do understand that there is a selection on the
completion screen to designate what operation is next. But if an
error is made, the WIP quantity goes to the next sequential step,
not the next intended step.

Vantage actually has an answer for all the possible mistakes an
operator can make. So if our operators paid attention and never
made a mistake, there would be no issue. But what Epicor does not
provide is a way to correct a mistake once the WIP is either
overstated or is on the wrong operation. We have come up with a
workaround where we create a new operation sequence 3 and move
undesired WIP to it, and then we don't include operation 3 on any
WIP reports we create. Does anyone have a better way? Is this even
an issue for anyone else?

Peter Volkert
Symetrics Industries





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We have found that Job Adjustments affect the labor record quantity
but do not affect the WIP location quantity, which is stored in the
PartWip table, and which is displayed in Part Tracker on the Part
Locations tab.

-Peter

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Smith" <CSmith@...> wrote:
>
> And the Job adjustments (Labor, Material or Subcontract) don't
resolve
> the matter? If the second operator makes a mistake, you can
> update/correct the labor card or do a job adjustment to the labor.
That
> would resolve the WIP issues.
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of pvolkert365
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:55 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] WIP Tracking (8.03)
>
>
>
> I don't hear any chatter on this topic and do not understand why
we
> are the only ones experiencing this problem. We cannot seem to get
> our WIP tracking numbers to come out right. And then we have a
heck
> of a time fixing them when they are wrong. We do have AMM, but I
do
> not believe it comes into play here. We are producing electronics,
> so we have enormous BOMs and extensive BOOs.
>
> When an operator completes 10 units at operation 30, Vantage moves
> 10 units of WIP to operation 40. If two operators both (by
mistake)
> report the 10 units, operation 40 now has 20 units of WIP, even if
> the job is only for 10. I do understand that a Shop Warning can be
> activated to warn the second operator. If we elect to do steps out
> of sequence, I do understand that there is a selection on the
> completion screen to designate what operation is next. But if an
> error is made, the WIP quantity goes to the next sequential step,
> not the next intended step.
>
> Vantage actually has an answer for all the possible mistakes an
> operator can make. So if our operators paid attention and never
> made a mistake, there would be no issue. But what Epicor does not
> provide is a way to correct a mistake once the WIP is either
> overstated or is on the wrong operation. We have come up with a
> workaround where we create a new operation sequence 3 and move
> undesired WIP to it, and then we don't include operation 3 on any
> WIP reports we create. Does anyone have a better way? Is this even
> an issue for anyone else?
>
> Peter Volkert
> Symetrics Industries
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>