Yahoo Vantage Missing Messages

This is a typical Yahoo problem. There are'nt any settings or controls
accessable by the moderators that can impact this issue. Nor does any
amount of complaing to Yahoo seem to do any good.

Shirley Graver
Moderator

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
rfc822 Compliance issue From: added by system POTENTIAL SPAM
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Yahoo Vantage Missing Messages


I got Susan's "rebellion" response which was sent 8 minutes after
this one but didn't get this one.

Moderators?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Iverson" <siverson@...> wrote:
>
> I use my own email program and rarely sign into yahoo - especially
since
> it shows up as an "internet" connection that could be misconstrued.
> Never noticed VYG emails out of order but I have seen it in other
groups
> I belonged to. I blamed it on yahoo - seemed a good enough target
at the
> time.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Chris Robisch
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 1:57 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Yahoo Vantage Missing Messages
>
>
>
> I have yet to receive my response to Mark which I sent a minute or
so
> after this new thread. Yet I received Kathy's. I used the beta rich
text
> editor in Yahoo. Could this be the reason?
>
> I've always assumed that most people use their own email program
rather
> than actually sign into Yahoo Vantage.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kathy Hambleton" <kbh@...>
> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 1:43 PM
> Subject: RE: Spam:[Vantage] Yahoo Vantage Missing Messages
>
>
> Same here! I blame it on our antispam blocking software, but who
knows!
>
>
> Kathy Hambleton
> Electron Energy Corporation
> 717-898-2294
> 717-898-0660 (fax)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf
> Of Chris Robisch
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:29 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Spam:[Vantage] Yahoo Vantage Missing Messages
>
>
> In the "Vantage 8 Service Connect" thread, I never received
Kelly's "You
> win!" email below. When I signed into Yahoo Vantage to look into
this,
> also noticed I never received Mark's "We are." email.
>
> And I sometimes get a response BEFORE the original message. I'm not
> using the digest option.
>
> Anyone else experience this? Or should I blame Verizon?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Barry" <mbarry@...>
> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 12:48 PM
> Subject: RE: Spam RE: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 8 Service Connect
>
>
> Oracle is perhaps a superior platform if you happen to have an
> encyclopedic
> knowledge of its tuning parameters. SQL Server trumps all with its
> connectivity to productivity applications and the sheer volume of
> available
> dba talent. Progress wins for Vantage owing to its native
integration
> with
> OE. MySQL just recently acquired ACID compliant transactional
> capabilities
> and will undoubtedly become the database of choice for mission
critical
> systems if only, as you have pointed out, for cost considerations.
>
> All marketing claims to the contrary, Epicor has a much tighter
> relationship
> with Progress than with MS dating all the way back to the DCD days.
> Staying
> with Progress is certainly the prudent decision at this point in the
> product
> evolution.
>
> mjb
>
> p.s. With all the talk of the service connect issues, I'm surprised
> that no
> mention has been made of the rather clumsy full text indexing
> implementation
> that SQL Server requires.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of
> Andrew Reed
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 12:15 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Spam RE: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 8 Service Connect
>
> IMHO Progress is a step down from Oracle, and SQL server is a step
(or
> more...) down from Progress. Epicor is pushing SQL server because
of
> their
> partnership with Microsoft. From a developers perspective, MySQL is
> just as
> good, if not better (by far MUCH cheaper) than SQL server.
Hundreds of
> developers and Thousands of MySQL driven websites can't be wrong.
>
> Keep in mind though, that SQL server is slower! We won't/can't even
> consider using SQL server for our 8.0 upgrade. Epicor didn't
suggest it
> either.
>
>
>
>
> Andrew Reed
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of
> Kelly Potratz
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:51 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 8 Service Connect
>
>
> You win!
>
> The extra cost you will have to get that going now is huge!
That's a
> pretty big mistake by Epicor.
>
> cpsadp <cpsadp@...> wrote:
> I can do you one better: Epicor also pushed us away from SQL.
> However, Advanced Print Mgmt and Service Connect BOTH NEED SQL, but
no
> one
> told us that until the installer showed up here. I even
specifically
> asked
> them about SQL. I'm guessing that the push to progress on the 8.0
side
> is
> all about their programmers. They build with progress as the back
end
> and
> that's the only db that they can be fairly sure will respond as
> expected.
>
> Amy
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Kelly Potratz <kpotratz_05@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I also attened this webcast. We purchase Vantage 8.0 last March,
> and at the time I wanted to implment SQL server. We talked to
several
> people at Epicor, and they all directed us away from SQL server and
> pushed
> us in the Progress direction. In the end they said to stay away
from
> SQL.
> >
> > Today in the webcast it was a completely different story! They
> are an authorized reseller of SQL? If so, why didn't they want us
to
> run
> SQL??? I guess it seems that with some of the additional products
> requiring
> SQL server, that they may be heading in the Microsoft direction. If
> not,
> then Epicor is quite the opposite of what they preached in their
> presentation - a different database for each product is not my idea
of
> efficient integration.
> >
> >
> > Chris Robisch <blue.wine@> wrote:
> > Just attended a webcast on .Net and SOA. In the Question/Answer
> period it was stated that Service Connect requires MS SQL which
> implies an advantage over Progress I wasn't aware of.
> >
> > Can anyone shed more light on this? How many are using Progress
> instead of SQL for V8?






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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
In the "Vantage 8 Service Connect" thread, I never received Kelly's "You win!" email below. When I signed into Yahoo Vantage to look into this, also noticed I never received Mark's "We are." email.

And I sometimes get a response BEFORE the original message. I'm not using the digest option.

Anyone else experience this? Or should I blame Verizon?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Barry" <mbarry@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: Spam RE: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 8 Service Connect


Oracle is perhaps a superior platform if you happen to have an encyclopedic
knowledge of its tuning parameters. SQL Server trumps all with its
connectivity to productivity applications and the sheer volume of available
dba talent. Progress wins for Vantage owing to its native integration with
OE. MySQL just recently acquired ACID compliant transactional capabilities
and will undoubtedly become the database of choice for mission critical
systems if only, as you have pointed out, for cost considerations.

All marketing claims to the contrary, Epicor has a much tighter relationship
with Progress than with MS dating all the way back to the DCD days. Staying
with Progress is certainly the prudent decision at this point in the product
evolution.

mjb

p.s. With all the talk of the service connect issues, I'm surprised that no
mention has been made of the rather clumsy full text indexing implementation
that SQL Server requires.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Andrew Reed
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 12:15 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spam RE: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 8 Service Connect

IMHO Progress is a step down from Oracle, and SQL server is a step (or
more...) down from Progress. Epicor is pushing SQL server because of their
partnership with Microsoft. From a developers perspective, MySQL is just as
good, if not better (by far MUCH cheaper) than SQL server. Hundreds of
developers and Thousands of MySQL driven websites can't be wrong.

Keep in mind though, that SQL server is slower! We won't/can't even
consider using SQL server for our 8.0 upgrade. Epicor didn't suggest it
either.




Andrew Reed

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kelly Potratz
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 8 Service Connect


You win!

The extra cost you will have to get that going now is huge! That's a
pretty big mistake by Epicor.

cpsadp <cpsadp@...> wrote:
I can do you one better: Epicor also pushed us away from SQL.
However, Advanced Print Mgmt and Service Connect BOTH NEED SQL, but no one
told us that until the installer showed up here. I even specifically asked
them about SQL. I'm guessing that the push to progress on the 8.0 side is
all about their programmers. They build with progress as the back end and
that's the only db that they can be fairly sure will respond as expected.

Amy

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Kelly Potratz <kpotratz_05@...>
wrote:
>
> I also attened this webcast. We purchase Vantage 8.0 last March,
and at the time I wanted to implment SQL server. We talked to several
people at Epicor, and they all directed us away from SQL server and pushed
us in the Progress direction. In the end they said to stay away from SQL.
>
> Today in the webcast it was a completely different story! They
are an authorized reseller of SQL? If so, why didn't they want us to run
SQL??? I guess it seems that with some of the additional products requiring
SQL server, that they may be heading in the Microsoft direction. If not,
then Epicor is quite the opposite of what they preached in their
presentation - a different database for each product is not my idea of
efficient integration.
>
>
> Chris Robisch <blue.wine@...> wrote:
> Just attended a webcast on .Net and SOA. In the Question/Answer
period it was stated that Service Connect requires MS SQL which
implies an advantage over Progress I wasn't aware of.
>
> Can anyone shed more light on this? How many are using Progress
instead of SQL for V8?


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I have yet to receive my response to Mark which I sent a minute or so after this new thread. Yet I received Kathy's. I used the beta rich text editor in Yahoo. Could this be the reason?

I've always assumed that most people use their own email program rather than actually sign into Yahoo Vantage.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathy Hambleton" <kbh@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: Spam:[Vantage] Yahoo Vantage Missing Messages


Same here! I blame it on our antispam blocking software, but who knows!


Kathy Hambleton
Electron Energy Corporation
717-898-2294
717-898-0660 (fax)

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Chris Robisch
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spam:[Vantage] Yahoo Vantage Missing Messages


In the "Vantage 8 Service Connect" thread, I never received Kelly's "You win!" email below. When I signed into Yahoo Vantage to look into this, also noticed I never received Mark's "We are." email.

And I sometimes get a response BEFORE the original message. I'm not using the digest option.

Anyone else experience this? Or should I blame Verizon?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Barry" <mbarry@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: Spam RE: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 8 Service Connect


Oracle is perhaps a superior platform if you happen to have an encyclopedic
knowledge of its tuning parameters. SQL Server trumps all with its
connectivity to productivity applications and the sheer volume of available
dba talent. Progress wins for Vantage owing to its native integration with
OE. MySQL just recently acquired ACID compliant transactional capabilities
and will undoubtedly become the database of choice for mission critical
systems if only, as you have pointed out, for cost considerations.

All marketing claims to the contrary, Epicor has a much tighter relationship
with Progress than with MS dating all the way back to the DCD days. Staying
with Progress is certainly the prudent decision at this point in the product
evolution.

mjb

p.s. With all the talk of the service connect issues, I'm surprised that no
mention has been made of the rather clumsy full text indexing implementation
that SQL Server requires.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Andrew Reed
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 12:15 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spam RE: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 8 Service Connect

IMHO Progress is a step down from Oracle, and SQL server is a step (or
more...) down from Progress. Epicor is pushing SQL server because of their
partnership with Microsoft. From a developers perspective, MySQL is just as
good, if not better (by far MUCH cheaper) than SQL server. Hundreds of
developers and Thousands of MySQL driven websites can't be wrong.

Keep in mind though, that SQL server is slower! We won't/can't even
consider using SQL server for our 8.0 upgrade. Epicor didn't suggest it
either.




Andrew Reed

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kelly Potratz
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 8 Service Connect


You win!

The extra cost you will have to get that going now is huge! That's a
pretty big mistake by Epicor.

cpsadp <cpsadp@...> wrote:
I can do you one better: Epicor also pushed us away from SQL.
However, Advanced Print Mgmt and Service Connect BOTH NEED SQL, but no one
told us that until the installer showed up here. I even specifically asked
them about SQL. I'm guessing that the push to progress on the 8.0 side is
all about their programmers. They build with progress as the back end and
that's the only db that they can be fairly sure will respond as expected.

Amy

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Kelly Potratz <kpotratz_05@...>
wrote:
>
> I also attened this webcast. We purchase Vantage 8.0 last March,
and at the time I wanted to implment SQL server. We talked to several
people at Epicor, and they all directed us away from SQL server and pushed
us in the Progress direction. In the end they said to stay away from SQL.
>
> Today in the webcast it was a completely different story! They
are an authorized reseller of SQL? If so, why didn't they want us to run
SQL??? I guess it seems that with some of the additional products requiring
SQL server, that they may be heading in the Microsoft direction. If not,
then Epicor is quite the opposite of what they preached in their
presentation - a different database for each product is not my idea of
efficient integration.
>
>
> Chris Robisch <blue.wine@...> wrote:
> Just attended a webcast on .Net and SOA. In the Question/Answer
period it was stated that Service Connect requires MS SQL which
implies an advantage over Progress I wasn't aware of.
>
> Can anyone shed more light on this? How many are using Progress
instead of SQL for V8?


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links




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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I use my own email program and rarely sign into yahoo - especially since
it shows up as an "internet" connection that could be misconstrued.
Never noticed VYG emails out of order but I have seen it in other groups
I belonged to. I blamed it on yahoo - seemed a good enough target at the
time.





Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chris Robisch
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 1:57 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Yahoo Vantage Missing Messages



I have yet to receive my response to Mark which I sent a minute or so
after this new thread. Yet I received Kathy's. I used the beta rich text
editor in Yahoo. Could this be the reason?

I've always assumed that most people use their own email program rather
than actually sign into Yahoo Vantage.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathy Hambleton" <kbh@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: Spam:[Vantage] Yahoo Vantage Missing Messages


Same here! I blame it on our antispam blocking software, but who knows!


Kathy Hambleton
Electron Energy Corporation
717-898-2294
717-898-0660 (fax)

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Chris Robisch
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spam:[Vantage] Yahoo Vantage Missing Messages


In the "Vantage 8 Service Connect" thread, I never received Kelly's "You
win!" email below. When I signed into Yahoo Vantage to look into this,
also noticed I never received Mark's "We are." email.

And I sometimes get a response BEFORE the original message. I'm not
using the digest option.

Anyone else experience this? Or should I blame Verizon?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Barry" <mbarry@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: Spam RE: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 8 Service Connect


Oracle is perhaps a superior platform if you happen to have an
encyclopedic
knowledge of its tuning parameters. SQL Server trumps all with its
connectivity to productivity applications and the sheer volume of
available
dba talent. Progress wins for Vantage owing to its native integration
with
OE. MySQL just recently acquired ACID compliant transactional
capabilities
and will undoubtedly become the database of choice for mission critical
systems if only, as you have pointed out, for cost considerations.

All marketing claims to the contrary, Epicor has a much tighter
relationship
with Progress than with MS dating all the way back to the DCD days.
Staying
with Progress is certainly the prudent decision at this point in the
product
evolution.

mjb

p.s. With all the talk of the service connect issues, I'm surprised
that no
mention has been made of the rather clumsy full text indexing
implementation
that SQL Server requires.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Andrew Reed
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 12:15 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spam RE: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 8 Service Connect

IMHO Progress is a step down from Oracle, and SQL server is a step (or
more...) down from Progress. Epicor is pushing SQL server because of
their
partnership with Microsoft. From a developers perspective, MySQL is
just as
good, if not better (by far MUCH cheaper) than SQL server. Hundreds of
developers and Thousands of MySQL driven websites can't be wrong.

Keep in mind though, that SQL server is slower! We won't/can't even
consider using SQL server for our 8.0 upgrade. Epicor didn't suggest it
either.




Andrew Reed

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Kelly Potratz
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 8 Service Connect


You win!

The extra cost you will have to get that going now is huge! That's a
pretty big mistake by Epicor.

cpsadp <cpsadp@...> wrote:
I can do you one better: Epicor also pushed us away from SQL.
However, Advanced Print Mgmt and Service Connect BOTH NEED SQL, but no
one
told us that until the installer showed up here. I even specifically
asked
them about SQL. I'm guessing that the push to progress on the 8.0 side
is
all about their programmers. They build with progress as the back end
and
that's the only db that they can be fairly sure will respond as
expected.

Amy

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Kelly Potratz <kpotratz_05@...>
wrote:
>
> I also attened this webcast. We purchase Vantage 8.0 last March,
and at the time I wanted to implment SQL server. We talked to several
people at Epicor, and they all directed us away from SQL server and
pushed
us in the Progress direction. In the end they said to stay away from
SQL.
>
> Today in the webcast it was a completely different story! They
are an authorized reseller of SQL? If so, why didn't they want us to
run
SQL??? I guess it seems that with some of the additional products
requiring
SQL server, that they may be heading in the Microsoft direction. If
not,
then Epicor is quite the opposite of what they preached in their
presentation - a different database for each product is not my idea of
efficient integration.
>
>
> Chris Robisch <blue.wine@...> wrote:
> Just attended a webcast on .Net and SOA. In the Question/Answer
period it was stated that Service Connect requires MS SQL which
implies an advantage over Progress I wasn't aware of.
>
> Can anyone shed more light on this? How many are using Progress
instead of SQL for V8?


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I got Susan's "rebellion" response which was sent 8 minutes after
this one but didn't get this one.

Moderators?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Iverson" <siverson@...> wrote:
>
> I use my own email program and rarely sign into yahoo - especially
since
> it shows up as an "internet" connection that could be misconstrued.
> Never noticed VYG emails out of order but I have seen it in other
groups
> I belonged to. I blamed it on yahoo - seemed a good enough target
at the
> time.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Chris Robisch
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 1:57 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Yahoo Vantage Missing Messages
>
>
>
> I have yet to receive my response to Mark which I sent a minute or
so
> after this new thread. Yet I received Kathy's. I used the beta rich
text
> editor in Yahoo. Could this be the reason?
>
> I've always assumed that most people use their own email program
rather
> than actually sign into Yahoo Vantage.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kathy Hambleton" <kbh@...>
> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 1:43 PM
> Subject: RE: Spam:[Vantage] Yahoo Vantage Missing Messages
>
>
> Same here! I blame it on our antispam blocking software, but who
knows!
>
>
> Kathy Hambleton
> Electron Energy Corporation
> 717-898-2294
> 717-898-0660 (fax)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf
> Of Chris Robisch
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:29 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Spam:[Vantage] Yahoo Vantage Missing Messages
>
>
> In the "Vantage 8 Service Connect" thread, I never received
Kelly's "You
> win!" email below. When I signed into Yahoo Vantage to look into
this,
> also noticed I never received Mark's "We are." email.
>
> And I sometimes get a response BEFORE the original message. I'm not
> using the digest option.
>
> Anyone else experience this? Or should I blame Verizon?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Barry" <mbarry@...>
> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 12:48 PM
> Subject: RE: Spam RE: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 8 Service Connect
>
>
> Oracle is perhaps a superior platform if you happen to have an
> encyclopedic
> knowledge of its tuning parameters. SQL Server trumps all with its
> connectivity to productivity applications and the sheer volume of
> available
> dba talent. Progress wins for Vantage owing to its native
integration
> with
> OE. MySQL just recently acquired ACID compliant transactional
> capabilities
> and will undoubtedly become the database of choice for mission
critical
> systems if only, as you have pointed out, for cost considerations.
>
> All marketing claims to the contrary, Epicor has a much tighter
> relationship
> with Progress than with MS dating all the way back to the DCD days.
> Staying
> with Progress is certainly the prudent decision at this point in the
> product
> evolution.
>
> mjb
>
> p.s. With all the talk of the service connect issues, I'm surprised
> that no
> mention has been made of the rather clumsy full text indexing
> implementation
> that SQL Server requires.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of
> Andrew Reed
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 12:15 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Spam RE: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 8 Service Connect
>
> IMHO Progress is a step down from Oracle, and SQL server is a step
(or
> more...) down from Progress. Epicor is pushing SQL server because
of
> their
> partnership with Microsoft. From a developers perspective, MySQL is
> just as
> good, if not better (by far MUCH cheaper) than SQL server.
Hundreds of
> developers and Thousands of MySQL driven websites can't be wrong.
>
> Keep in mind though, that SQL server is slower! We won't/can't even
> consider using SQL server for our 8.0 upgrade. Epicor didn't
suggest it
> either.
>
>
>
>
> Andrew Reed
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of
> Kelly Potratz
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:51 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 8 Service Connect
>
>
> You win!
>
> The extra cost you will have to get that going now is huge!
That's a
> pretty big mistake by Epicor.
>
> cpsadp <cpsadp@...> wrote:
> I can do you one better: Epicor also pushed us away from SQL.
> However, Advanced Print Mgmt and Service Connect BOTH NEED SQL, but
no
> one
> told us that until the installer showed up here. I even
specifically
> asked
> them about SQL. I'm guessing that the push to progress on the 8.0
side
> is
> all about their programmers. They build with progress as the back
end
> and
> that's the only db that they can be fairly sure will respond as
> expected.
>
> Amy
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Kelly Potratz <kpotratz_05@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I also attened this webcast. We purchase Vantage 8.0 last March,
> and at the time I wanted to implment SQL server. We talked to
several
> people at Epicor, and they all directed us away from SQL server and
> pushed
> us in the Progress direction. In the end they said to stay away
from
> SQL.
> >
> > Today in the webcast it was a completely different story! They
> are an authorized reseller of SQL? If so, why didn't they want us
to
> run
> SQL??? I guess it seems that with some of the additional products
> requiring
> SQL server, that they may be heading in the Microsoft direction. If
> not,
> then Epicor is quite the opposite of what they preached in their
> presentation - a different database for each product is not my idea
of
> efficient integration.
> >
> >
> > Chris Robisch <blue.wine@> wrote:
> > Just attended a webcast on .Net and SOA. In the Question/Answer
> period it was stated that Service Connect requires MS SQL which
> implies an advantage over Progress I wasn't aware of.
> >
> > Can anyone shed more light on this? How many are using Progress
> instead of SQL for V8?
Finally got it!!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly Potratz" <kpotratz_05@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Vantage 8 Service Connect


You win!

The extra cost you will have to get that going now is huge! That's a pretty big mistake by Epicor.

cpsadp <cpsadp@...> wrote:
I can do you one better: Epicor also pushed us away from SQL.
However, Advanced Print Mgmt and Service Connect BOTH NEED SQL, but
no one told us that until the installer showed up here. I even
specifically asked them about SQL. I'm guessing that the push to
progress on the 8.0 side is all about their programmers. They build
with progress as the back end and that's the only db that they can
be fairly sure will respond as expected.

Amy

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Kelly Potratz <kpotratz_05@...>
wrote:
>
> I also attened this webcast. We purchase Vantage 8.0 last March,
and at the time I wanted to implment SQL server. We talked to
several people at Epicor, and they all directed us away from SQL
server and pushed us in the Progress direction. In the end they
said to stay away from SQL.
>
> Today in the webcast it was a completely different story! They
are an authorized reseller of SQL? If so, why didn't they want us
to run SQL??? I guess it seems that with some of the additional
products requiring SQL server, that they may be heading in the
Microsoft direction. If not, then Epicor is quite the opposite of
what they preached in their presentation - a different database for
each product is not my idea of efficient integration.
>
>
> Chris Robisch <blue.wine@...> wrote:
> Just attended a webcast on .Net and SOA. In the Question/Answer
period it was stated that Service Connect requires MS SQL which
implies an advantage over Progress I wasn't aware of.
>
> Can anyone shed more light on this? How many are using Progress
instead of SQL for V8?
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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