[6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients-RESOLVED

system · November 23, 2007, 3:08pm

I have seen this problem before, but can not remember the solution. What do
you have the -b setting value up to? Long shot, but did you install all the
service packs for 91d?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: November 23, 2007 1:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Raid is 1+0 (I guess that's 10) ...both system volume and vantage
volume...each is a pair of 72GB 15K SAS disks with a standby failover
warm-spare for each volume. The DB is set to start up 4 APWs. Also 4 clients
per server and 15 servers on the mfgsysGroup.

Performance from my PC which gets login screen OK is about the same as from
others once they are logged in. At least no slower than on the old server.
The part that will freak people out on Monday would be the 3-4 minute wait
for a login screen. No amount of informing and begging is going prevent
people from double clicking the Vantage icon again and again....only slowing
it down even more.
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
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Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 1:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,

What raid is the new server set up as? It should be raid 10. What speed
are the hard drives 15000?.How many apw is the data base set up to use?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:todd.anderson@
<mailto:todd.anderson%40sbcglobal.net>
sbcglobal.net<mailto:todd.anderson%40sbcglobal.net>]
Sent: November 23, 2007 1:12 PM
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.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,

Does that fancy new server use TOE? ( TCP/IP Offload engine )

If so, that's probably your issue. MS released some updates that conflict
heavily with TOE logic causing just miserable performance.

I've been dealing with it on newer Dell 2900 servers of late.

Not a Dell problem - it's a TOE chipset issue.

If it does use TOE give me a call - 815-985-8193

Todd Anderson

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
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Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Not yet. Was going to do that later after current problem was resolved. But
will elevate that as a priority. Dual Quad CPUs so has 8 cores so was going
to set -spin to 160,000 but did note in the Progress tuning document that
for systems with low number of users (like our 33) it supposedly does not
matter as much as long as it is fairly large....they suggest 50,000. So I
was going to use that for a start.

But they ar enot clear where this goes. I was assuming adding -spin 50000 to
the .pf file....or is this a setting in PET? Same with the buffers...was
going to set for 2GB max (system has 8GB) but had not flooked yet for where
to make that setting.

Another curiosity....now my PC won't run Vantage at all....Control-Frame
error...meaning I too had references to old server. Cleaned my registry with
no success so will now uninstall Progress Client and re-install. Will be
interseting if I then have slow login screen where as when the old server
was running I had fast connection to the new server.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

________________________________
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[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Hi Todd,

I'm assuming that your new server is one of the multi-core/multi processor
varieties? If so have you set the DB buffer blocks and spin lock retries
appropriately?

Regards,

Michael

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Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Yes, Net Logon service is running. I get same results whether logged in as
the user or logged in as Administrator (which is a domain admin).

-Todd C.

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Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Make sure that net logon is running on the clients.

Also, try changing one client to a domain admin to see if it's a security
authentication issue.

Just a thought.

Jasper

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Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd

Have you checked the exclusions for the local temp directory

Gary

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Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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system · November 23, 2007, 3:24pm

-B (# buffers) is 200,000....buffer size is 4096 so I should be (if I understand this right) using about 800MB for DB caching. I might up this later to use max 2GB that 32 bit Progress allows. But can't see how that would matter much before even logging in or especially with only me here using Vantage today. The "all users actively using" performance picture won't be seen until Monday.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of vantage
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:08 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

I have seen this problem before, but can not remember the solution. What do
you have the -b setting value up to? Long shot, but did you install all the
service packs for 91d?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com>]
Sent: November 23, 2007 1:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Raid is 1+0 (I guess that's 10) ...both system volume and vantage
volume...each is a pair of 72GB 15K SAS disks with a standby failover
warm-spare for each volume. The DB is set to start up 4 APWs. Also 4 clients
per server and 15 servers on the mfgsysGroup.

Performance from my PC which gets login screen OK is about the same as from
others once they are logged in. At least no slower than on the old server.
The part that will freak people out on Monday would be the 3-4 minute wait
for a login screen. No amount of informing and begging is going prevent
people from double clicking the Vantage icon again and again....only slowing
it down even more.
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of vantage
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 1:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,

What raid is the new server set up as? It should be raid 10. What speed
are the hard drives 15000?.How many apw is the data base set up to use?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:todd.anderson@
<mailto:todd.anderson%40sbcglobal.net>
sbcglobal.net<mailto:todd.anderson%40sbcglobal.net>]
Sent: November 23, 2007 1:12 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,

Does that fancy new server use TOE? ( TCP/IP Offload engine )

If so, that's probably your issue. MS released some updates that conflict
heavily with TOE logic causing just miserable performance.

I've been dealing with it on newer Dell 2900 servers of late.

Not a Dell problem - it's a TOE chipset issue.

If it does use TOE give me a call - 815-985-8193

Todd Anderson

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Not yet. Was going to do that later after current problem was resolved. But
will elevate that as a priority. Dual Quad CPUs so has 8 cores so was going
to set -spin to 160,000 but did note in the Progress tuning document that
for systems with low number of users (like our 33) it supposedly does not
matter as much as long as it is fairly large....they suggest 50,000. So I
was going to use that for a start.

But they ar enot clear where this goes. I was assuming adding -spin 50000 to
the .pf file....or is this a setting in PET? Same with the buffers...was
going to set for 2GB max (system has 8GB) but had not flooked yet for where
to make that setting.

Another curiosity....now my PC won't run Vantage at all....Control-Frame
error...meaning I too had references to old server. Cleaned my registry with
no success so will now uninstall Progress Client and re-install. Will be
interseting if I then have slow login screen where as when the old server
was running I had fast connection to the new server.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Hi Todd,

I'm assuming that your new server is one of the multi-core/multi processor
varieties? If so have you set the DB buffer blocks and spin lock retries
appropriately?

Regards,

Michael

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Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Yes, Net Logon service is running. I get same results whether logged in as
the user or logged in as Administrator (which is a domain admin).

-Todd C.

________________________________
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Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Make sure that net logon is running on the clients.

Also, try changing one client to a domain admin to see if it's a security
authentication issue.

Just a thought.

Jasper

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Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd

Have you checked the exclusions for the local temp directory

Gary

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Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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system · November 23, 2007, 3:30pm

I would try reducing it to 180,000 and setting the apw to 3 and see if this
makes some difference.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: November 23, 2007 2:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

-B (# buffers) is 200,000....buffer size is 4096 so I should be (if I
understand this right) using about 800MB for DB caching. I might up this
later to use max 2GB that 32 bit Progress allows. But can't see how that
would matter much before even logging in or especially with only me here
using Vantage today. The "all users actively using" performance picture
won't be seen until Monday.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of vantage
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:08 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

I have seen this problem before, but can not remember the solution. What do
you have the -b setting value up to? Long shot, but did you install all the
service packs for 91d?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@harveyvoge
<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com>
l.com<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com>]
Sent: November 23, 2007 1:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Raid is 1+0 (I guess that's 10) ...both system volume and vantage
volume...each is a pair of 72GB 15K SAS disks with a standby failover
warm-spare for each volume. The DB is set to start up 4 APWs. Also 4 clients
per server and 15 servers on the mfgsysGroup.

Performance from my PC which gets login screen OK is about the same as from
others once they are logged in. At least no slower than on the old server.
The part that will freak people out on Monday would be the 3-4 minute wait
for a login screen. No amount of informing and begging is going prevent
people from double clicking the Vantage icon again and again....only slowing
it down even more.
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of vantage
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 1:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,

What raid is the new server set up as? It should be raid 10. What speed
are the hard drives 15000?.How many apw is the data base set up to use?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:todd.anderson@
<mailto:todd.anderson%40sbcglobal.net>
sbcglobal.net<mailto:todd.anderson%40sbcglobal.net>]
Sent: November 23, 2007 1:12 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,

Does that fancy new server use TOE? ( TCP/IP Offload engine )

If so, that's probably your issue. MS released some updates that conflict
heavily with TOE logic causing just miserable performance.

I've been dealing with it on newer Dell 2900 servers of late.

Not a Dell problem - it's a TOE chipset issue.

If it does use TOE give me a call - 815-985-8193

Todd Anderson

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Not yet. Was going to do that later after current problem was resolved. But
will elevate that as a priority. Dual Quad CPUs so has 8 cores so was going
to set -spin to 160,000 but did note in the Progress tuning document that
for systems with low number of users (like our 33) it supposedly does not
matter as much as long as it is fairly large....they suggest 50,000. So I
was going to use that for a start.

But they ar enot clear where this goes. I was assuming adding -spin 50000 to
the .pf file....or is this a setting in PET? Same with the buffers...was
going to set for 2GB max (system has 8GB) but had not flooked yet for where
to make that setting.

Another curiosity....now my PC won't run Vantage at all....Control-Frame
error...meaning I too had references to old server. Cleaned my registry with
no success so will now uninstall Progress Client and re-install. Will be
interseting if I then have slow login screen where as when the old server
was running I had fast connection to the new server.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Hi Todd,

I'm assuming that your new server is one of the multi-core/multi processor
varieties? If so have you set the DB buffer blocks and spin lock retries
appropriately?

Regards,

Michael

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]
On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 8:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Yes, Net Logon service is running. I get same results whether logged in as
the user or logged in as Administrator (which is a domain admin).

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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On
Behalf Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:24 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroup <mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
s.com<mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com> '
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Make sure that net logon is running on the clients.

Also, try changing one client to a domain admin to see if it's a security
authentication issue.

Just a thought.

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd

Have you checked the exclusions for the local temp directory

Gary

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.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
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Of Todd Caughey
Sent: 23 November 2007 15:19
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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system · November 23, 2007, 3:32pm

Also try the before buffers to 20

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: November 23, 2007 2:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

-B (# buffers) is 200,000....buffer size is 4096 so I should be (if I
understand this right) using about 800MB for DB caching. I might up this
later to use max 2GB that 32 bit Progress allows. But can't see how that
would matter much before even logging in or especially with only me here
using Vantage today. The "all users actively using" performance picture
won't be seen until Monday.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of vantage
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:08 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

I have seen this problem before, but can not remember the solution. What do
you have the -b setting value up to? Long shot, but did you install all the
service packs for 91d?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@harveyvoge
<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com>
l.com<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com>]
Sent: November 23, 2007 1:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Raid is 1+0 (I guess that's 10) ...both system volume and vantage
volume...each is a pair of 72GB 15K SAS disks with a standby failover
warm-spare for each volume. The DB is set to start up 4 APWs. Also 4 clients
per server and 15 servers on the mfgsysGroup.

Performance from my PC which gets login screen OK is about the same as from
others once they are logged in. At least no slower than on the old server.
The part that will freak people out on Monday would be the 3-4 minute wait
for a login screen. No amount of informing and begging is going prevent
people from double clicking the Vantage icon again and again....only slowing
it down even more.
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of vantage
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 1:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,

What raid is the new server set up as? It should be raid 10. What speed
are the hard drives 15000?.How many apw is the data base set up to use?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:todd.anderson@
<mailto:todd.anderson%40sbcglobal.net>
sbcglobal.net<mailto:todd.anderson%40sbcglobal.net>]
Sent: November 23, 2007 1:12 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,

Does that fancy new server use TOE? ( TCP/IP Offload engine )

If so, that's probably your issue. MS released some updates that conflict
heavily with TOE logic causing just miserable performance.

I've been dealing with it on newer Dell 2900 servers of late.

Not a Dell problem - it's a TOE chipset issue.

If it does use TOE give me a call - 815-985-8193

Todd Anderson

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Not yet. Was going to do that later after current problem was resolved. But
will elevate that as a priority. Dual Quad CPUs so has 8 cores so was going
to set -spin to 160,000 but did note in the Progress tuning document that
for systems with low number of users (like our 33) it supposedly does not
matter as much as long as it is fairly large....they suggest 50,000. So I
was going to use that for a start.

But they ar enot clear where this goes. I was assuming adding -spin 50000 to
the .pf file....or is this a setting in PET? Same with the buffers...was
going to set for 2GB max (system has 8GB) but had not flooked yet for where
to make that setting.

Another curiosity....now my PC won't run Vantage at all....Control-Frame
error...meaning I too had references to old server. Cleaned my registry with
no success so will now uninstall Progress Client and re-install. Will be
interseting if I then have slow login screen where as when the old server
was running I had fast connection to the new server.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Hi Todd,

I'm assuming that your new server is one of the multi-core/multi processor
varieties? If so have you set the DB buffer blocks and spin lock retries
appropriately?

Regards,

Michael

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]
On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 8:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Yes, Net Logon service is running. I get same results whether logged in as
the user or logged in as Administrator (which is a domain admin).

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On
Behalf Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:24 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroup <mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
s.com<mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com> '
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Make sure that net logon is running on the clients.

Also, try changing one client to a domain admin to see if it's a security
authentication issue.

Just a thought.

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
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.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]On
Behalf Of Gary Parfrey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd

Have you checked the exclusions for the local temp directory

Gary

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: 23 November 2007 15:19
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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system · November 23, 2007, 3:37pm

Todd,

Search registry on workstations for "Manufacturing". You may find some old
entries pointing to your old client configuration.

Delete these keys. You may have to re-install the client for the new
configuration.

Pat M.

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

-B (# buffers) is 200,000....buffer size is 4096 so I should be (if I
understand this right) using about 800MB for DB caching. I might up this
later to use max 2GB that 32 bit Progress allows. But can't see how that
would matter much before even logging in or especially with only me here
using Vantage today. The "all users actively using" performance picture
won't be seen until Monday.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of vantage
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:08 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

I have seen this problem before, but can not remember the solution. What do
you have the -b setting value up to? Long shot, but did you install all the
service packs for 91d?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@harveyvoge
<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com>
l.com<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com>]
Sent: November 23, 2007 1:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Raid is 1+0 (I guess that's 10) ...both system volume and vantage
volume...each is a pair of 72GB 15K SAS disks with a standby failover
warm-spare for each volume. The DB is set to start up 4 APWs. Also 4 clients
per server and 15 servers on the mfgsysGroup.

Performance from my PC which gets login screen OK is about the same as from
others once they are logged in. At least no slower than on the old server.
The part that will freak people out on Monday would be the 3-4 minute wait
for a login screen. No amount of informing and begging is going prevent
people from double clicking the Vantage icon again and again....only slowing
it down even more.
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of vantage
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 1:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,

What raid is the new server set up as? It should be raid 10. What speed
are the hard drives 15000?.How many apw is the data base set up to use?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:todd.anderson@
<mailto:todd.anderson%40sbcglobal.net>
sbcglobal.net<mailto:todd.anderson%40sbcglobal.net>]
Sent: November 23, 2007 1:12 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,

Does that fancy new server use TOE? ( TCP/IP Offload engine )

If so, that's probably your issue. MS released some updates that conflict
heavily with TOE logic causing just miserable performance.

I've been dealing with it on newer Dell 2900 servers of late.

Not a Dell problem - it's a TOE chipset issue.

If it does use TOE give me a call - 815-985-8193

Todd Anderson

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Not yet. Was going to do that later after current problem was resolved. But
will elevate that as a priority. Dual Quad CPUs so has 8 cores so was going
to set -spin to 160,000 but did note in the Progress tuning document that
for systems with low number of users (like our 33) it supposedly does not
matter as much as long as it is fairly large....they suggest 50,000. So I
was going to use that for a start.

But they ar enot clear where this goes. I was assuming adding -spin 50000 to
the .pf file....or is this a setting in PET? Same with the buffers...was
going to set for 2GB max (system has 8GB) but had not flooked yet for where
to make that setting.

Another curiosity....now my PC won't run Vantage at all....Control-Frame
error...meaning I too had references to old server. Cleaned my registry with
no success so will now uninstall Progress Client and re-install. Will be
interseting if I then have slow login screen where as when the old server
was running I had fast connection to the new server.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Hi Todd,

I'm assuming that your new server is one of the multi-core/multi processor
varieties? If so have you set the DB buffer blocks and spin lock retries
appropriately?

Regards,

Michael

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]
On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 8:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Yes, Net Logon service is running. I get same results whether logged in as
the user or logged in as Administrator (which is a domain admin).

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Make sure that net logon is running on the clients.

Also, try changing one client to a domain admin to see if it's a security
authentication issue.

Just a thought.

Jasper

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Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd

Have you checked the exclusions for the local temp directory

Gary

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Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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system · November 23, 2007, 5:47pm

Not sure if it was the "manufacturing" keys part or some sort of dumb randomness, like my PC working OK, but I did a new install on our Citrix server for the remote access people and in addition to registry searches for...
PSC
Progress
9.1d
Epicor
vantage
vader
V:
M:
...I added "manufacturing" and got a few more hits.

I was sort of hoping the Citrix server would have the same long delay getting the login screen so I could go home and work on this remotely but of course not...it was the fastest yet...about 4 seconds from killing the splash screen to getting a login screen.

I'm going back to one of the slow login screen installations and deeping cleaning the registry and re-isntalling to see if this works for one of them.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pat McGovern
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,

Search registry on workstations for "Manufacturing". You may find some old
entries pointing to your old client configuration.

Delete these keys. You may have to re-install the client for the new
configuration.

Pat M.

_____

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Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

-B (# buffers) is 200,000....buffer size is 4096 so I should be (if I
understand this right) using about 800MB for DB caching. I might up this
later to use max 2GB that 32 bit Progress allows. But can't see how that
would matter much before even logging in or especially with only me here
using Vantage today. The "all users actively using" performance picture
won't be seen until Monday.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of vantage
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:08 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

I have seen this problem before, but can not remember the solution. What do
you have the -b setting value up to? Long shot, but did you install all the
service packs for 91d?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@harveyvoge
<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com>
l.com<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com>]
Sent: November 23, 2007 1:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Raid is 1+0 (I guess that's 10) ...both system volume and vantage
volume...each is a pair of 72GB 15K SAS disks with a standby failover
warm-spare for each volume. The DB is set to start up 4 APWs. Also 4 clients
per server and 15 servers on the mfgsysGroup.

Performance from my PC which gets login screen OK is about the same as from
others once they are logged in. At least no slower than on the old server.
The part that will freak people out on Monday would be the 3-4 minute wait
for a login screen. No amount of informing and begging is going prevent
people from double clicking the Vantage icon again and again....only slowing
it down even more.
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of vantage
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 1:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,

What raid is the new server set up as? It should be raid 10. What speed
are the hard drives 15000?.How many apw is the data base set up to use?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:todd.anderson@
<mailto:todd.anderson%40sbcglobal.net>
sbcglobal.net<mailto:todd.anderson%40sbcglobal.net>]
Sent: November 23, 2007 1:12 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,

Does that fancy new server use TOE? ( TCP/IP Offload engine )

If so, that's probably your issue. MS released some updates that conflict
heavily with TOE logic causing just miserable performance.

I've been dealing with it on newer Dell 2900 servers of late.

Not a Dell problem - it's a TOE chipset issue.

If it does use TOE give me a call - 815-985-8193

Todd Anderson

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Not yet. Was going to do that later after current problem was resolved. But
will elevate that as a priority. Dual Quad CPUs so has 8 cores so was going
to set -spin to 160,000 but did note in the Progress tuning document that
for systems with low number of users (like our 33) it supposedly does not
matter as much as long as it is fairly large....they suggest 50,000. So I
was going to use that for a start.

But they ar enot clear where this goes. I was assuming adding -spin 50000 to
the .pf file....or is this a setting in PET? Same with the buffers...was
going to set for 2GB max (system has 8GB) but had not flooked yet for where
to make that setting.

Another curiosity....now my PC won't run Vantage at all....Control-Frame
error...meaning I too had references to old server. Cleaned my registry with
no success so will now uninstall Progress Client and re-install. Will be
interseting if I then have slow login screen where as when the old server
was running I had fast connection to the new server.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Hi Todd,

I'm assuming that your new server is one of the multi-core/multi processor
varieties? If so have you set the DB buffer blocks and spin lock retries
appropriately?

Regards,

Michael

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On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 8:30 AM
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.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Yes, Net Logon service is running. I get same results whether logged in as
the user or logged in as Administrator (which is a domain admin).

-Todd C.

________________________________
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Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:24 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroup <mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
s.com<mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Make sure that net logon is running on the clients.

Also, try changing one client to a domain admin to see if it's a security
authentication issue.

Just a thought.

Jasper

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Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:53 AM
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd

Have you checked the exclusions for the local temp directory

Gary

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<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
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Of Todd Caughey
Sent: 23 November 2007 15:19
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Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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system · November 23, 2007, 5:53pm

> Failing that use ethereal to monitor what requests it is sending out
> (network packets) on the slow machines.

Just an FYI, Ethereal has been renamed to WireShark. Its web site ends with
.org - http://www.wireshark.org (some windows mobile company uses the .com
version)

Mark W.

system · November 23, 2007, 6:23pm

This will not solve your issue, but will prevent users from multi-logging
when they get impatient with the slowness of the load;

The -wss appended to the OtherParameters line in the .mfg configuration
file will limit your users to one instance of Vantage and will not attempt
to start up any additional instances.

OtherParameters=-rand 2 -q -basekey ini -wss

Bruce Butler, IT Consultant

120B Basehill Road

Swanzey, NH 03446

603.562.5370

<mailto:bbutler@...> bbutler@...

<http://www.tangiblesolutions.biz> www.tangiblesolutions.biz

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 5:47 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Not sure if it was the "manufacturing" keys part or some sort of dumb
randomness, like my PC working OK, but I did a new install on our Citrix
server for the remote access people and in addition to registry searches
for...
PSC
Progress
9.1d
Epicor
vantage
vader
V:
M:
...I added "manufacturing" and got a few more hits.

I was sort of hoping the Citrix server would have the same long delay
getting the login screen so I could go home and work on this remotely but of
course not...it was the fastest yet...about 4 seconds from killing the
splash screen to getting a login screen.

I'm going back to one of the slow login screen installations and deeping
cleaning the registry and re-isntalling to see if this works for one of
them.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Pat McGovern
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,

Search registry on workstations for "Manufacturing". You may find some old
entries pointing to your old client configuration.

Delete these keys. You may have to re-install the client for the new
configuration.

Pat M.

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

-B (# buffers) is 200,000....buffer size is 4096 so I should be (if I
understand this right) using about 800MB for DB caching. I might up this
later to use max 2GB that 32 bit Progress allows. But can't see how that
would matter much before even logging in or especially with only me here
using Vantage today. The "all users actively using" performance picture
won't be seen until Monday.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of vantage
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:08 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

I have seen this problem before, but can not remember the solution. What do
you have the -b setting value up to? Long shot, but did you install all the
service packs for 91d?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@harveyvoge
<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com>
l.com<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com>]
Sent: November 23, 2007 1:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Raid is 1+0 (I guess that's 10) ...both system volume and vantage
volume...each is a pair of 72GB 15K SAS disks with a standby failover
warm-spare for each volume. The DB is set to start up 4 APWs. Also 4 clients
per server and 15 servers on the mfgsysGroup.

Performance from my PC which gets login screen OK is about the same as from
others once they are logged in. At least no slower than on the old server.
The part that will freak people out on Monday would be the 3-4 minute wait
for a login screen. No amount of informing and begging is going prevent
people from double clicking the Vantage icon again and again....only slowing
it down even more.
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of vantage
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 1:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,

What raid is the new server set up as? It should be raid 10. What speed
are the hard drives 15000?.How many apw is the data base set up to use?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:todd.anderson@
<mailto:todd.anderson%40sbcglobal.net>
sbcglobal.net<mailto:todd.anderson%40sbcglobal.net>]
Sent: November 23, 2007 1:12 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,

Does that fancy new server use TOE? ( TCP/IP Offload engine )

If so, that's probably your issue. MS released some updates that conflict
heavily with TOE logic causing just miserable performance.

I've been dealing with it on newer Dell 2900 servers of late.

Not a Dell problem - it's a TOE chipset issue.

If it does use TOE give me a call - 815-985-8193

Todd Anderson

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Not yet. Was going to do that later after current problem was resolved. But
will elevate that as a priority. Dual Quad CPUs so has 8 cores so was going
to set -spin to 160,000 but did note in the Progress tuning document that
for systems with low number of users (like our 33) it supposedly does not
matter as much as long as it is fairly large....they suggest 50,000. So I
was going to use that for a start.

But they ar enot clear where this goes. I was assuming adding -spin 50000 to
the .pf file....or is this a setting in PET? Same with the buffers...was
going to set for 2GB max (system has 8GB) but had not flooked yet for where
to make that setting.

Another curiosity....now my PC won't run Vantage at all....Control-Frame
error...meaning I too had references to old server. Cleaned my registry with
no success so will now uninstall Progress Client and re-install. Will be
interseting if I then have slow login screen where as when the old server
was running I had fast connection to the new server.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Hi Todd,

I'm assuming that your new server is one of the multi-core/multi processor
varieties? If so have you set the DB buffer blocks and spin lock retries
appropriately?

Regards,

Michael

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]
On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 8:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Yes, Net Logon service is running. I get same results whether logged in as
the user or logged in as Administrator (which is a domain admin).

-Todd C.

________________________________
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Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:24 AM
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Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Make sure that net logon is running on the clients.

Also, try changing one client to a domain admin to see if it's a security
authentication issue.

Just a thought.

Jasper

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Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd

Have you checked the exclusions for the local temp directory

Gary

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<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
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Of Todd Caughey
Sent: 23 November 2007 15:19
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Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the off chance some people have taken refuge from Black Friday
shopping madness or our non-USA freinds are hard at work while most
Americans sleep off Turkey stupor.....

I am switching all my clients over to our new, supposedly blazing fast,
server. But am running into extreme slow logins and some slowness once
Vantage is logged into. Not at all what I was expecting. I have tried
all the usual tricks but nothing has helped. Odd thing is the remaining
Win-98 PCs startup almost instantly and do run very fast. Also my own XP
desktop PC....setup pretty much like everyone else, is really fast
too... as are a couple others. The ones slow to get a login screen (avg.
3-4 minutes) are also the ones that Progress did not uninstall correctly
and I had to remove the PSC and Progress references from the registry.

So far I have done the following, without success...
- Double checked virus scan exclusion of mapped drives
- Disabled virus scanning altogether (temporarily)
- Checked HOSTS/SERVICES files
- Shutdown the old Vantage server
- Unreg the OCXs and ran instOCX
- Unisntalled everything and re-installed
- Disabled Data Execution Prevention (on XP clients)
- Deleted all references to old server from registry
- Changed NIC on client to not autodetect the speed...and bolted in
100Mbps/Full Dup
- Double checked that Windows firewall is disabled (something Win-98 did
not have)

Since it does run very quickly on the server itself I suspect a network
issue but the same network was runing the old server just fine. Which
narrows it down to perhaps a setting on the new server. I am wondering
if there is some "feature" that Win-98 is too old to "take advantage of"
which would explain its relative quickness. In the past most speed
problems I have seen were DNS related. Given the Progress uninstall
problems I am thinking there is some old residue that points to the old
server and this is causing network or DNS confusion for the clients but
I can't figure out where this residue might be.

Any suggestions would be very much welcomed. In the mean time I'm off to
keep uninstalling and re-installing clients.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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system · November 23, 2007, 7:08pm

I may have to look into that. I have just now been doing some inspection of the network traffic during the startup process and found the following that might spark an idea for someone. In each case I opened a network connection status screen and also on Xp machine a task manager performance screen for the network tab.

For PCs slow to get the login screen....
1. Before double-clicking Vantage icon...zero network traffic
2. After d-c....big spike in bytes both transmitted and received....network graph spikes at same time
3. After splash screen appears net activity settles down ...even when clicking splash to get rid of it
4. Settles in to a regular rhythm of traffic at around 1% of the 100Mbps...looks like a heartbeat pattern
5. At about 13 seconds, where I would expect login screen, and normally see cursor change from arrow to arrow+hourglass, there is a spike in activity for a second or two...then back to rhythm pattern
6. After three minutes of this constant low-grade activity a huge spike and a second latter the login screen...finally

For fast login PCs (mine that is)...
1. Same as above
2. HUGE spike to 50% of bandwidth..splash screen comes and goes and login screen appears
3. Network traffic zeros out until login info sent then another 50% spike as Vantage screen loads
Time from double-click vantage icon o login screen is around 4 seconds

I will try wireshark if I can so I can maybe see what's going on in the regular rhythm period on a slow machine.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Wonsil
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

> Failing that use ethereal to monitor what requests it is sending out
> (network packets) on the slow machines.

Just an FYI, Ethereal has been renamed to WireShark. Its web site ends with
.org - http://www.wireshark.org (some windows mobile company uses the .com
version)

Mark W.

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system · November 23, 2007, 8:39pm

On the 'slow' PCs, are there any mapped drives and/or network printers that reference a turned off or unreachable machine?

Those issues have caused pain for us not too long ago..

Good luck.

Bernie.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 7:09 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

I may have to look into that. I have just now been doing some inspection of the network traffic during the startup process and found the following that might spark an idea for someone. In each case I opened a network connection status screen and also on Xp machine a task manager performance screen for the network tab.

For PCs slow to get the login screen....
1. Before double-clicking Vantage icon...zero network traffic 2. After d-c....big spike in bytes both transmitted and received....network graph spikes at same time 3. After splash screen appears net activity settles down ...even when clicking splash to get rid of it 4. Settles in to a regular rhythm of traffic at around 1% of the 100Mbps...looks like a heartbeat pattern 5. At about 13 seconds, where I would expect login screen, and normally see cursor change from arrow to arrow+hourglass, there is a spike in activity for a second or two...then back to rhythm pattern 6. After three minutes of this constant low-grade activity a huge spike and a second latter the login screen...finally

For fast login PCs (mine that is)...
1. Same as above
2. HUGE spike to 50% of bandwidth..splash screen comes and goes and login screen appears 3. Network traffic zeros out until login info sent then another 50% spike as Vantage screen loads Time from double-click vantage icon o login screen is around 4 seconds

I will try wireshark if I can so I can maybe see what's going on in the regular rhythm period on a slow machine.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Wonsil
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

> Failing that use ethereal to monitor what requests it is sending out
> (network packets) on the slow machines.

Just an FYI, Ethereal has been renamed to WireShark. Its web site ends with .org - http://www.wireshark.org (some windows mobile company uses the .com
version)

Mark W.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links

system · November 24, 2007, 10:21am

Printers I have not checked but that server did not host any printers. All our printers are on another server. But....the old server was hosting Backup Exec 10 at one time, since replaced by BE11 on another server. All the mapped drive references are gone on the afflicted machines...both from the mapping (and then a reboot to really flush it) and also by searching in the registry.

Pertaining to another post I ran WireShark and can see where it will be an amazing tool....once I climb the learning curve to figure out what it is telling me. But running a capture during the Vantage startup process on a very thoroughly registry cleaned machine showed several references to the old server (Vader) right at the end after I had logged in to Vantage and then exited. SMB type transactions not TCP whatever that means. My first thought was what the heck is trying to talk to Vader. It can't be a registry reference anymore so I suspect some .ini file or something has a reference or two to the old server. I am going to search the new server's mfgsys61 and prgs91d folders for references to the old server name.

Again, thanks to everyone for some really great ideas. I am going to start converting all the rest of the PCs and see if a pattern emerges amogst ones that get a fast login versus the slow ones. I have three so far that are fast...mine (XP), an old Win98 and our Citrix (Win2003) server for the few remote (home or hotel) connections.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bernie Walker
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 7:39 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

On the 'slow' PCs, are there any mapped drives and/or network printers that reference a turned off or unreachable machine?

Those issues have caused pain for us not too long ago..

Good luck.

Bernie.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 7:09 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

I may have to look into that. I have just now been doing some inspection of the network traffic during the startup process and found the following that might spark an idea for someone. In each case I opened a network connection status screen and also on Xp machine a task manager performance screen for the network tab.

For PCs slow to get the login screen....
1. Before double-clicking Vantage icon...zero network traffic 2. After d-c....big spike in bytes both transmitted and received....network graph spikes at same time 3. After splash screen appears net activity settles down ...even when clicking splash to get rid of it 4. Settles in to a regular rhythm of traffic at around 1% of the 100Mbps...looks like a heartbeat pattern 5. At about 13 seconds, where I would expect login screen, and normally see cursor change from arrow to arrow+hourglass, there is a spike in activity for a second or two...then back to rhythm pattern 6. After three minutes of this constant low-grade activity a huge spike and a second latter the login screen...finally

For fast login PCs (mine that is)...
1. Same as above
2. HUGE spike to 50% of bandwidth..splash screen comes and goes and login screen appears 3. Network traffic zeros out until login info sent then another 50% spike as Vantage screen loads Time from double-click vantage icon o login screen is around 4 seconds

I will try wireshark if I can so I can maybe see what's going on in the regular rhythm period on a slow machine.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mark Wonsil
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

> Failing that use ethereal to monitor what requests it is sending out
> (network packets) on the slow machines.

Just an FYI, Ethereal has been renamed to WireShark. Its web site ends with .org - http://www.wireshark.org (some windows mobile company uses the .com
version)

Mark W.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links

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system · November 26, 2007, 8:47am

Todd,

An easy thing to try would be to create a DNS entry for the
old "Vader" server and making the DNS entry point to the new Vantage
server. That way anything that wants to reference Vader will go
right to the new server.

Jeff

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:
>
> Printers I have not checked but that server did not host any
printers. All our printers are on another server. But....the old
server was hosting Backup Exec 10 at one time, since replaced by BE11
on another server. All the mapped drive references are gone on the
afflicted machines...both from the mapping (and then a reboot to
really flush it) and also by searching in the registry.
>
> Pertaining to another post I ran WireShark and can see where it
will be an amazing tool....once I climb the learning curve to figure
out what it is telling me. But running a capture during the Vantage
startup process on a very thoroughly registry cleaned machine showed
several references to the old server (Vader) right at the end after I
had logged in to Vantage and then exited. SMB type transactions not
TCP whatever that means. My first thought was what the heck is
trying to talk to Vader. It can't be a registry reference anymore so
I suspect some .ini file or something has a reference or two to the
old server. I am going to search the new server's mfgsys61 and
prgs91d folders for references to the old server name.
>
> Again, thanks to everyone for some really great ideas. I am going
to start converting all the rest of the PCs and see if a pattern
emerges amogst ones that get a fast login versus the slow ones. I
have three so far that are fast...mine (XP), an old Win98 and our
Citrix (Win2003) server for the few remote (home or hotel)
connections.
>
> -Todd C.
>
> ________________________________
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Bernie Walker
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 7:39 PM
> To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely
Slow Clients
>
>
> On the 'slow' PCs, are there any mapped drives and/or network
printers that reference a turned off or unreachable machine?
>
> Those issues have caused pain for us not too long ago..
>
> Good luck.
>
> Bernie.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf Of Todd Caughey
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 7:09 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow
Clients
>
> I may have to look into that. I have just now been doing some
inspection of the network traffic during the startup process and
found the following that might spark an idea for someone. In each
case I opened a network connection status screen and also on Xp
machine a task manager performance screen for the network tab.
>
> For PCs slow to get the login screen....
> 1. Before double-clicking Vantage icon...zero network traffic 2.
After d-c....big spike in bytes both transmitted and
received....network graph spikes at same time 3. After splash screen
appears net activity settles down ...even when clicking splash to get
rid of it 4. Settles in to a regular rhythm of traffic at around 1%
of the 100Mbps...looks like a heartbeat pattern 5. At about 13
seconds, where I would expect login screen, and normally see cursor
change from arrow to arrow+hourglass, there is a spike in activity
for a second or two...then back to rhythm pattern 6. After three
minutes of this constant low-grade activity a huge spike and a second
latter the login screen...finally
>
> For fast login PCs (mine that is)...
> 1. Same as above
> 2. HUGE spike to 50% of bandwidth..splash screen comes and goes and
login screen appears 3. Network traffic zeros out until login info
sent then another 50% spike as Vantage screen loads Time from double-
click vantage icon o login screen is around 4 seconds
>
> I will try wireshark if I can so I can maybe see what's going on in
the regular rhythm period on a slow machine.
>
> Thanks,
> -Todd C.
>
> ________________________________
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf Of Mark Wonsil
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:50 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow
Clients
>
> > Failing that use ethereal to monitor what requests it is sending
out
> > (network packets) on the slow machines.
>
> Just an FYI, Ethereal has been renamed to WireShark. Its web site
ends with .org - http://www.wireshark.org (some windows mobile
company uses the .com
> version)
>
> Mark W.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

system · November 26, 2007, 9:55am

Todd C -

The DNS record idea might really help here. I'd suggest creating the
"vader" DNS record as an alias pointing to your new server name (rather
than as a new 'A' record, which could cause some reverse DNS problems),
but you'll need to make a registry change on the target server in order
to have it respond to a DNS alias:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/281308/en-us

I enable this registry change on all of my servers, and try very hard to
never actually use a real server name when referring to servers.
Aliases make moving things around a heck of a lot easier. Some also
consider the use of aliases as a layer of security, hiding the actual
server-names to prevent hackers/snoopers from guessing the naming scheme
you use (ie. names of planets, cars, gods, etc...).

Please continue to keep us posted, as we might be going through similar
problems in the near future!

-Ari
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ari Footlik
IT Manager - R. A. Zweig

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of maurojm
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:47 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,

An easy thing to try would be to create a DNS entry for the
old "Vader" server and making the DNS entry point to the new Vantage
server. That way anything that wants to reference Vader will go
right to the new server.

Jeff

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , Todd
Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:

>
> Printers I have not checked but that server did not host any

printers. All our printers are on another server. But....the old
server was hosting Backup Exec 10 at one time, since replaced by BE11
on another server. All the mapped drive references are gone on the
afflicted machines...both from the mapping (and then a reboot to
really flush it) and also by searching in the registry.

>
> Pertaining to another post I ran WireShark and can see where it

will be an amazing tool....once I climb the learning curve to figure
out what it is telling me. But running a capture during the Vantage
startup process on a very thoroughly registry cleaned machine showed
several references to the old server (Vader) right at the end after I
had logged in to Vantage and then exited. SMB type transactions not
TCP whatever that means. My first thought was what the heck is
trying to talk to Vader. It can't be a registry reference anymore so
I suspect some .ini file or something has a reference or two to the
old server. I am going to search the new server's mfgsys61 and
prgs91d folders for references to the old server name.

>
> Again, thanks to everyone for some really great ideas. I am going

to start converting all the rest of the PCs and see if a pattern
emerges amogst ones that get a fast login versus the slow ones. I
have three so far that are fast...mine (XP), an old Win98 and our
Citrix (Win2003) server for the few remote (home or hotel)
connections.

>
> -Todd C.
>
> ________________________________
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Bernie Walker

> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 7:39 PM
> To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com> '
> Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely

Slow Clients

>
>
> On the 'slow' PCs, are there any mapped drives and/or network

printers that reference a turned off or unreachable machine?

>
> Those issues have caused pain for us not too long ago..
>
> Good luck.
>
> Bernie.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf Of Todd Caughey

> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 7:09 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow

Clients

>
> I may have to look into that. I have just now been doing some

inspection of the network traffic during the startup process and
found the following that might spark an idea for someone. In each
case I opened a network connection status screen and also on Xp
machine a task manager performance screen for the network tab.

>
> For PCs slow to get the login screen....
> 1. Before double-clicking Vantage icon...zero network traffic 2.

After d-c....big spike in bytes both transmitted and
received....network graph spikes at same time 3. After splash screen
appears net activity settles down ...even when clicking splash to get
rid of it 4. Settles in to a regular rhythm of traffic at around 1%
of the 100Mbps...looks like a heartbeat pattern 5. At about 13
seconds, where I would expect login screen, and normally see cursor
change from arrow to arrow+hourglass, there is a spike in activity
for a second or two...then back to rhythm pattern 6. After three
minutes of this constant low-grade activity a huge spike and a second
latter the login screen...finally

>
> For fast login PCs (mine that is)...
> 1. Same as above
> 2. HUGE spike to 50% of bandwidth..splash screen comes and goes and

login screen appears 3. Network traffic zeros out until login info
sent then another 50% spike as Vantage screen loads Time from double-
click vantage icon o login screen is around 4 seconds

>
> I will try wireshark if I can so I can maybe see what's going on in

the regular rhythm period on a slow machine.

>
> Thanks,
> -Todd C.
>
> ________________________________
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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> Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow

Clients

>
> > Failing that use ethereal to monitor what requests it is sending

out

> > (network packets) on the slow machines.
>
> Just an FYI, Ethereal has been renamed to WireShark. Its web site

ends with .org - http://www.wireshark.org <http://www.wireshark.org>
(some windows mobile
company uses the .com

> version)
>
> Mark W.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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system · November 26, 2007, 10:32am

Todd,
I did not see a reference in any of the posts to WINS. Because you are on
6.1 and are having network issues without a doubt (the fact that it runs
fast on some machines and not others). I would first clean the registry of
the clients with trouble as you were indicating you were working on, and
then if you don't have WINS set up, go ahead and set it up. DNS is helpful,
but I have found in the NT4 domains that I have worked with benefit greatly
from WINS. If you are beyond NT4 domain, I don't know if WINS is as
helpful, but either way, be sure to check your hosts file and remove any
reference to the old server and maybe insert a reference to the new one.
Best of luck,
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

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system · November 26, 2007, 11:07am

Thanks Aaron (and everyone else)....I had thought of WINS when I found that the Win98 PCs all work flawlessly. But did not pursue that mostly because I don't know enough about setting it up.

Since all the messages over the weekend I have found the following....
Out of 40 or so PCs converted so far there are 11 with a slow login screen. At first I thought there was a pattern of PC model but this later proved not to be the case...whitebox, HP and Sony Vaio are all affected. Also no pattern for location or switches.

One pattern that has emerged....everyone that has failed has had a specific problem uninstalling Progress 9.1d. The uninstall fails with a error about not finding a DLL. This is when still mapped to the old server. I then have to hack the registry for all traces of...PSC, Progress, old servername, \progress and old mapped drive letter (v:). I also remove old server references from HOSTS file. I then install Vantage Client & Progress Client (after changing drive mapping) and vantage works but the login is slow. If the uninstall works and everything is reinstalled the login screen is blazing fast...sometimes so fast I can't click the splash screen before the login screen comes up.

Another new clue maybe....on slow start machines I am getting reports from users that although Vantage works they get some odd OCX errors. I am going to uninstall the OCXs and InstOCX and see if that problem (and maybe the speed issue) goes away.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Hoyt
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,
I did not see a reference in any of the posts to WINS. Because you are on
6.1 and are having network issues without a doubt (the fact that it runs
fast on some machines and not others). I would first clean the registry of
the clients with trouble as you were indicating you were working on, and
then if you don't have WINS set up, go ahead and set it up. DNS is helpful,
but I have found in the NT4 domains that I have worked with benefit greatly
from WINS. If you are beyond NT4 domain, I don't know if WINS is as
helpful, but either way, be sure to check your hosts file and remove any
reference to the old server and maybe insert a reference to the new one.
Best of luck,
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · November 26, 2007, 11:16am

The suggestion below looks like a very handy tool. However, I added
-wss just as instructed, but I am still able to log in multiple times.
Is this only for 8.0? Have I done something wrong?

Thanks!
Ben

>
> The -wss appended to the OtherParameters line in the .mfg configuration
> file will limit your users to one instance of Vantage and will not

attempt

> to start up any additional instances.

>
> OtherParameters=-rand 2 -q -basekey ini -wss
>

> Bruce Butler, IT Consultant
>
> 120B Basehill Road
>
> Swanzey, NH 03446
>
> 603.562.5370

system · November 26, 2007, 1:21pm

Ben,
The -wss parameter looks for an existing instance of Vantage and will not
allow the new one to start.
We have used this for some time on our 6.1 Data Collection computers to
prevent using all the licenses on one or two computers with several copies
of Vantage running minimized at the bottom of the screen.
You must make sure the .mfg file that you make the addition to is the one
you are actually using (for instance, I don't have any clients looking to
the .mfg file on the server, they each have their own copy in their Epicor
folder locally).
Just to be clear, this only prevents multiple instances of Vantage
concurrent on the same machine.
Good luck,
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
bbelzer42
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:17 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

The suggestion below looks like a very handy tool. However, I added
-wss just as instructed, but I am still able to log in multiple times.
Is this only for 8.0? Have I done something wrong?

Thanks!
Ben

>
> The -wss appended to the OtherParameters line in the .mfg configuration
> file will limit your users to one instance of Vantage and will not

attempt

> to start up any additional instances.

>
> OtherParameters=-rand 2 -q -basekey ini -wss
>

> Bruce Butler, IT Consultant
>
> 120B Basehill Road
>
> Swanzey, NH 03446
>
> 603.562.5370

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system · November 26, 2007, 1:24pm

I checked this out on my end by adding and removing the -wss flag. It worked previously on my XP station. It does something a little strange on my Vista station. With the -wss added, the opened version of Vantage comes up into view, and a Splash screen comes up like it is trying to connect, but never does. Simply clicking on the splash screen gets rid of it. It seems to be another little glitch with Vista.

The suggestion below looks like a very handy tool. However, I added
-wss just as instructed, but I am still able to log in multiple times.
Is this only for 8.0? Have I done something wrong?

Thanks!
Ben

>
> The -wss appended to the OtherParameters line in the .mfg configuration
> file will limit your users to one instance of Vantage and will not

attempt

> to start up any additional instances.

>
> OtherParameters=-rand 2 -q -basekey ini -wss
>

> Bruce Butler, IT Consultant
>
> 120B Basehill Road
>
> Swanzey, NH 03446
>
> 603.562.5370

system · December 26, 2007, 12:28pm

A resolution follow-up for future searches on this subject.

Yes, indeed there seems to be some aspect that involves WINS...but also involves the network switches. I have resolved the speed issue on three PCs by doing the following....
1. Moving the client to a different switch
2. Making a WINS entry on the client that points to our AD server

Either action by itself has no effect...and I had previously tried both independently without success...but when done together reduces login screen delay from 3 minutes to 4-5 seconds as well as dramatically improving Vantage performance in general.

My conclusion is that some PCs are sensitive to the switch they are running on or perhaps a port setting on that switch. The primay user connection switch is an unmanaged 24-port 3Com switch that has a 1Gb uplink to our Gigabit backbone switch. I suspect there may be port settings that do not negotiate speed correctly with some clients and because this is an unmanaged switch changing this setting is very difficult. I'm not clear where the WINS part comes in but as long as it helps I'm happy making the setting on the client.

I am now ordering a new, managed, switch (HP ProCurve 2626) to replace the 3Com switch because the Gigabit switch only has one more free port. Only remaining issue are the several slow clients in our plant that are not served by the office switches. I may have to manually inspect their port negotiation settings and/or bolt them down at 100Mb-full Dup at both ends. Plus the WINS change.

Thanks again to all who offered suggestions...the answers were in there but just required the right combo of them to be hit.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Hoyt
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,
I did not see a reference in any of the posts to WINS. Because you are on
6.1 and are having network issues without a doubt (the fact that it runs
fast on some machines and not others). I would first clean the registry of
the clients with trouble as you were indicating you were working on, and
then if you don't have WINS set up, go ahead and set it up. DNS is helpful,
but I have found in the NT4 domains that I have worked with benefit greatly
from WINS. If you are beyond NT4 domain, I don't know if WINS is as
helpful, but either way, be sure to check your hosts file and remove any
reference to the old server and maybe insert a reference to the new one.
Best of luck,
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · December 26, 2007, 1:19pm

Todd,

In my opinion in a true AD environment WINS should go the way of the
dinosaur. AD uses DNS for resolution. Only if you have programs that rely on
the NetBIOS namespace should WINS be needed. In terms of Order of Name
Resolution, when a host tries to communicate with another host, it first
looks to see if it is itself, then searches it local cached entries, then
the local Hosts file, then checks DNS, and lastly looks for the NetBIOS
name, by either checking LMHOSTS, WINS or by broadcasting. So as long as the
DNS records are correct it should use that before WINS.

If you needed to add an entry to LMHOSTS file then something else is wrong
with those clients. I can only assume the rest of your clients get to
Vantage via DNS.

The managed switch will help to see if the NICs on your problem PCs are
chattering or sending bad packets. I use HP Switches and I like the fact I
can use a port to monitor all traffic, so I can have a PC with some sniffer
software (I use Ethereal) to monitor traffic if I am experience problems
between hosts.

Ben Nixon made a statement that on-boards NICs should not be used and be
replaced with higher quality NICs. Though I have not had the problem you
have had, I did recently go around and made sure all my on-boards NICs had
the latest driver firmware which did resolve some other issue I was seeing.
Replacing all my on-board NICs would be somewhat costly and unless a issue
arises I will wait to make that sort of change.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:28 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients-RESOLVED

A resolution follow-up for future searches on this subject.

Yes, indeed there seems to be some aspect that involves WINS...but also
involves the network switches. I have resolved the speed issue on three PCs
by doing the following....
1. Moving the client to a different switch
2. Making a WINS entry on the client that points to our AD server

Either action by itself has no effect...and I had previously tried both
independently without success...but when done together reduces login screen
delay from 3 minutes to 4-5 seconds as well as dramatically improving
Vantage performance in general.

My conclusion is that some PCs are sensitive to the switch they are running
on or perhaps a port setting on that switch. The primay user connection
switch is an unmanaged 24-port 3Com switch that has a 1Gb uplink to our
Gigabit backbone switch. I suspect there may be port settings that do not
negotiate speed correctly with some clients and because this is an unmanaged
switch changing this setting is very difficult. I'm not clear where the
WINS part comes in but as long as it helps I'm happy making the setting on
the client.

I am now ordering a new, managed, switch (HP ProCurve 2626) to replace the
3Com switch because the Gigabit switch only has one more free port. Only
remaining issue are the several slow clients in our plant that are not
served by the office switches. I may have to manually inspect their port
negotiation settings and/or bolt them down at 100Mb-full Dup at both ends.
Plus the WINS change.

Thanks again to all who offered suggestions...the answers were in there but
just required the right combo of them to be hit.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Aaron Hoyt
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] New Server...Extremely Slow Clients

Todd,
I did not see a reference in any of the posts to WINS. Because you are on
6.1 and are having network issues without a doubt (the fact that it runs
fast on some machines and not others). I would first clean the registry of
the clients with trouble as you were indicating you were working on, and
then if you don't have WINS set up, go ahead and set it up. DNS is helpful,
but I have found in the NT4 domains that I have worked with benefit greatly
from WINS. If you are beyond NT4 domain, I don't know if WINS is as
helpful, but either way, be sure to check your hosts file and remove any
reference to the old server and maybe insert a reference to the new one.
Best of luck,
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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