Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course for Vantage?

system · May 27, 2010, 1:58pm

What is the address for the Mediawiki site?

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian W. Spolarich
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course
for Vantage?

*nods*

I actually went to Perspectives this last time on the hope that the
Advanced Customization class would enable me to leverage the client-side
stuff more effectively. The class was a huge disappointment as the
instructor kept saying "I'm not a programmer" and kept punting all of
the real questions to Rich Riley and Brian Hattrup (you can thank Brian
for the whole Dashboard framework, among other things). I'm thinking
"why the heck did they send someone who doesn't understand coding to
teach a coding class!?!".

Brian and Rich did a good job fielding questions, but their job isn't to
provide documentation, its to deliver code, and I don't think Epicor
sees this as something that's high on the priority list.

I think this community could probably do something like this, and Mark
Wonsil kick-started this with a Mediawiki-based web site, but seeding
such a site to make it useful would require some real initial commitment
to make it useful enough to be a real resource, and we all have day
jobs. :-)

-bws

--
Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix /
Picometrix
bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> ~ 734-864-5618 ~
www.advancedphotonix.com

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dir: 781-573-0291 | cell: 781-408-1264 | fax: 781-341-5694
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[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:01 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course
for Vantage?

[snip]

It just stings a little when Epicor first pitched this capability during
the first sales encounter I had with them 3 years ago and I'm still
struggling to create customizations.

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system · May 27, 2010, 2:19pm

Below is an outline Epicor sent me regarding agenda and cost. If you're
interested, send them an email. Hopefully, there is enough interest for them
to move forward.

Gerry

From: Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@...
Custom Solutions Group

I was assigned your call today in regards to 4GL/NET programming training
and I should be able to help you with that as I've done most of the advanced
technical classes for a couple of years.

Right off the top of my head, this is an agenda I believe would be
beneficial:

Day 1:

Progress basics (for each, find, if/else, repeat, locks, etc).

BPM 4GL/ABL basics (this would cover the basic things you will use BPM for,
like making fields mandatory, cross referencing data, populating data, etc).

BPM 4GL/ABL advanced topics (this would cover using the Forward to Procedure
functionality to call external progress programs, running programs
persistently to re-use existing functionality - similar to what Service
Connect does but in BPM).

Day 2:

Customization basics (what is a view, row rule, extended property, like
properties, etc).

Customization topics:

Invoking searches from other objects.

Invoking methods from other objects.

Epi Combo usage (how to populate it dynamically with data).

Embedding grids linked to UD tables (with CRUD capabilities).

Somewhere in day 1, most likely at the beginning we could do a brief
overview of the Epicor framework and how it interacts with the business
objects and database so people get a better understanding of how everything
fits together.

I'm very flexible as I've given almost all technical courses in the past and
currently do the Epicor SDK class so we can cover any other topics you would
want.

Price will be determined based on how many people sign up, for a course of
this type, smaller groups are better as people usually have many questions
which is understandable as the material is more complex. Location is not a
problem, I've given classes here in Minneapolis and in other countries.

Thanks!

Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@...

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system · May 27, 2010, 2:32pm

I'm definitely interested....wish he had given a price!

Anyone in the Chicago area interested in this to do a possible group
training?

M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Gerry Loranger
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course for
Vantage?

Below is an outline Epicor sent me regarding agenda and cost. If you're
interested, send them an email. Hopefully, there is enough interest for
them
to move forward.

Gerry

From: Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@...
<mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>
Custom Solutions Group

I was assigned your call today in regards to 4GL/NET programming
training
and I should be able to help you with that as I've done most of the
advanced
technical classes for a couple of years.

Right off the top of my head, this is an agenda I believe would be
beneficial:

Day 1:

Progress basics (for each, find, if/else, repeat, locks, etc).

BPM 4GL/ABL basics (this would cover the basic things you will use BPM
for,
like making fields mandatory, cross referencing data, populating data,
etc).

BPM 4GL/ABL advanced topics (this would cover using the Forward to
Procedure
functionality to call external progress programs, running programs
persistently to re-use existing functionality - similar to what Service
Connect does but in BPM).

Day 2:

Customization basics (what is a view, row rule, extended property, like
properties, etc).

Customization topics:

Invoking searches from other objects.

Invoking methods from other objects.

Epi Combo usage (how to populate it dynamically with data).

Embedding grids linked to UD tables (with CRUD capabilities).

Somewhere in day 1, most likely at the beginning we could do a brief
overview of the Epicor framework and how it interacts with the business
objects and database so people get a better understanding of how
everything
fits together.

I'm very flexible as I've given almost all technical courses in the past
and
currently do the Epicor SDK class so we can cover any other topics you
would
want.

Price will be determined based on how many people sign up, for a course
of
this type, smaller groups are better as people usually have many
questions
which is understandable as the material is more complex. Location is not
a
problem, I've given classes here in Minneapolis and in other countries.

Thanks!

Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@... <mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>

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system · May 27, 2010, 2:32pm

I might be, depending on the cost.

Linda

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of schmangy20000
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:43 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course for Vantage?

I contacted Epicor to find out if they offered advanced customization courses using 4GL. They do not get many requests for this type of training, so they put me on a waiting list. Is anyone else out there interested in this kind of training?

Gerry Loranger
Systems Administrator
Preformed Line Products
1711 Bishop St. East
Cambridge, ON N1T 1N5
519-740-6666 Ext. 224
Email: gloranger@... <mailto:gloranger%40preformed.on.ca>
Visit our website at www.preformed.on.ca

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system · May 27, 2010, 2:42pm

Add my name to the list please

Dale Dalton

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
schmangy20000
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:43 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course for
Vantage?

I contacted Epicor to find out if they offered advanced customization
courses using 4GL. They do not get many requests for this type of training,
so they put me on a waiting list. Is anyone else out there interested in
this kind of training?

Gerry Loranger
Systems Administrator
Preformed Line Products
1711 Bishop St. East
Cambridge, ON N1T 1N5
519-740-6666 Ext. 224
Email: gloranger@... <mailto:gloranger%40preformed.on.ca>
Visit our website at www.preformed.on.ca

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system · May 27, 2010, 3:02pm

I agree, usually you hear that 'I feel your pain, but it's not my
problem' from those not invested in the process. But that's not the
case here. I don't think anyone is asking for the equivalent of the
MSDN, but something more substantial would be better than the vacuum
that exists. Service connect documentation is another fine example.

Rob Bucek

Manufacturing Engineer

PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 3111

Mobile: (715)896-0590

FAX: (715)284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

(Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:01 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course
for Vantage?

This has been my biggest complaint about Epicor. They provide the tools
and the ability to create some pretty amazing customizations in house,
but provide no real documentation on how to do it. I also spoke with
Rich Riley at Perspectives and while he acknowledges the deficiency, he
also implied that this isn't on Epicor's hit list.

Virtually every other programming environment I've worked with, there
has always been adequate documentation of syntax and object model.

On the flip side, I can image that it is a momentous task to create and
manage this type of documentation.

It just stings a little when Epicor first pitched this capability during
the first sales encounter I had with them 3 years ago and I'm still
struggling to create customizations.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Brian W. Spolarich
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course
for Vantage?

I'd be interested depending on cost, location, etc.

I found the Advanced Customization training at Perspectives to be
worthless. Epicor needs to provide a better cookbook of examples and
starting points for typical use cases. I mentioned this to Rich Riley
who manages the Tools group at Epicor (they're the architects of the
client framework and the guts of Epicor 9/Vantage). He agreed but it
seemed unlikely they'd actually do something like this.

-bws

--
Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix /
Picometrix
bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com>
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> ~ 734-864-5618 ~
www.advancedphotonix.com

Joe Rojas | Director of Information Technology | Mats Inc
dir: 781-573-0291 | cell: 781-408-1264 | fax: 781-341-5694
jrojas@... <mailto:jrojas%40matsinc.com> | www.matsinc.com Ask
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Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course for
Vantage?

Yup, I'd be interested as well if the cost was "reasonable" again as
someone else said.

I'd also be interested in a course in some advanced customizations, i.e.
forms tied to UD tables and also creating new tabs on existing screens
and pulling grid views from UD tables. I've created some of these but
none of them function fully the way I want.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"schmangy20000" <gloranger@...> wrote:

>
> I contacted Epicor to find out if they offered advanced customization

courses using 4GL. They do not get many requests for this type of
training, so they put me on a waiting list. Is anyone else out there
interested in this kind of training?

>
> Gerry Loranger
> Systems Administrator
> Preformed Line Products
> 1711 Bishop St. East
> Cambridge, ON N1T 1N5
> 519-740-6666 Ext. 224
> Email: gloranger@...
> Visit our website at www.preformed.on.ca
>

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system · May 27, 2010, 3:02pm

Whatever do you mean Brian, were all paid consultants on here, somebody
is giving you money while you do such an outstanding job answering
questions on here lol!

Rob Bucek

Manufacturing Engineer

PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 3111

Mobile: (715)896-0590

FAX: (715)284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

(Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian W. Spolarich
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course
for Vantage?

*nods*

I actually went to Perspectives this last time on the hope that the
Advanced Customization class would enable me to leverage the client-side
stuff more effectively. The class was a huge disappointment as the
instructor kept saying "I'm not a programmer" and kept punting all of
the real questions to Rich Riley and Brian Hattrup (you can thank Brian
for the whole Dashboard framework, among other things). I'm thinking
"why the heck did they send someone who doesn't understand coding to
teach a coding class!?!".

Brian and Rich did a good job fielding questions, but their job isn't to
provide documentation, its to deliver code, and I don't think Epicor
sees this as something that's high on the priority list.

I think this community could probably do something like this, and Mark
Wonsil kick-started this with a Mediawiki-based web site, but seeding
such a site to make it useful would require some real initial commitment
to make it useful enough to be a real resource, and we all have day
jobs. :-)

-bws

--
Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix /
Picometrix
bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> ~ 734-864-5618 ~
www.advancedphotonix.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:01 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course
for Vantage?

[snip]

It just stings a little when Epicor first pitched this capability during
the first sales encounter I had with them 3 years ago and I'm still
struggling to create customizations.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · May 27, 2010, 3:03pm

Were in Wisconsin, we could go either direction, Chicago or Minneapolis.

Rob Bucek

Manufacturing Engineer

PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 3111

Mobile: (715)896-0590

FAX: (715)284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

(Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:32 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course
for Vantage?

I'm definitely interested....wish he had given a price!

Anyone in the Chicago area interested in this to do a possible group
training?

M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> <mailto:
manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> >

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Gerry Loranger
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course for
Vantage?

Below is an outline Epicor sent me regarding agenda and cost. If you're
interested, send them an email. Hopefully, there is enough interest for
them
to move forward.

Gerry

From: Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@...
<mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>
<mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>
Custom Solutions Group

I was assigned your call today in regards to 4GL/NET programming
training
and I should be able to help you with that as I've done most of the
advanced
technical classes for a couple of years.

Right off the top of my head, this is an agenda I believe would be
beneficial:

Day 1:

Progress basics (for each, find, if/else, repeat, locks, etc).

BPM 4GL/ABL basics (this would cover the basic things you will use BPM
for,
like making fields mandatory, cross referencing data, populating data,
etc).

BPM 4GL/ABL advanced topics (this would cover using the Forward to
Procedure
functionality to call external progress programs, running programs
persistently to re-use existing functionality - similar to what Service
Connect does but in BPM).

Day 2:

Customization basics (what is a view, row rule, extended property, like
properties, etc).

Customization topics:

Invoking searches from other objects.

Invoking methods from other objects.

Epi Combo usage (how to populate it dynamically with data).

Embedding grids linked to UD tables (with CRUD capabilities).

Somewhere in day 1, most likely at the beginning we could do a brief
overview of the Epicor framework and how it interacts with the business
objects and database so people get a better understanding of how
everything
fits together.

I'm very flexible as I've given almost all technical courses in the past
and
currently do the Epicor SDK class so we can cover any other topics you
would
want.

Price will be determined based on how many people sign up, for a course
of
this type, smaller groups are better as people usually have many
questions
which is understandable as the material is more complex. Location is not
a
problem, I've given classes here in Minneapolis and in other countries.

Thanks!

Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@... <mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>
<mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>

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system · May 27, 2010, 3:03pm

How about a WebEx training? More people would be able to participate = more $ for Epicor.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Manasa Reddy" <manasa@...> wrote:
>
> I'm definitely interested....wish he had given a price!
>
>
>
> Anyone in the Chicago area interested in this to do a possible group
> training?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
>
> manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>
>
> 800.852.2325
>
> 630.806.2000 ofc
>
> 630.806.2001 fax
>
> www.weldcoa.com
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Gerry Loranger
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:19 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course for
> Vantage?
>
>
>
>
>
> Below is an outline Epicor sent me regarding agenda and cost. If you're
> interested, send them an email. Hopefully, there is enough interest for
> them
> to move forward.
>
> Gerry
>
> From: Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@...
> <mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>
> Custom Solutions Group
>
> I was assigned your call today in regards to 4GL/NET programming
> training
> and I should be able to help you with that as I've done most of the
> advanced
> technical classes for a couple of years.
>
> Right off the top of my head, this is an agenda I believe would be
> beneficial:
>
> Day 1:
>
> Progress basics (for each, find, if/else, repeat, locks, etc).
>
> BPM 4GL/ABL basics (this would cover the basic things you will use BPM
> for,
> like making fields mandatory, cross referencing data, populating data,
> etc).
>
> BPM 4GL/ABL advanced topics (this would cover using the Forward to
> Procedure
> functionality to call external progress programs, running programs
> persistently to re-use existing functionality - similar to what Service
> Connect does but in BPM).
>
> Day 2:
>
> Customization basics (what is a view, row rule, extended property, like
> properties, etc).
>
> Customization topics:
>
> Invoking searches from other objects.
>
> Invoking methods from other objects.
>
> Epi Combo usage (how to populate it dynamically with data).
>
> Embedding grids linked to UD tables (with CRUD capabilities).
>
> Somewhere in day 1, most likely at the beginning we could do a brief
> overview of the Epicor framework and how it interacts with the business
> objects and database so people get a better understanding of how
> everything
> fits together.
>
> I'm very flexible as I've given almost all technical courses in the past
> and
> currently do the Epicor SDK class so we can cover any other topics you
> would
> want.
>
> Price will be determined based on how many people sign up, for a course
> of
> this type, smaller groups are better as people usually have many
> questions
> which is understandable as the material is more complex. Location is not
> a
> problem, I've given classes here in Minneapolis and in other countries.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@... <mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

system · May 27, 2010, 3:05pm

I personally don't like Webex training. If my body is in the building,
there is nothing important enough to leave me alone.

Tim Dines

ERP Analyst

Steel Parts Manufacturing, Inc.

801 Berryman Pike

Tipton, IN 46072

765-675-5201

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of laraines422
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:59 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course for
Vantage?

How about a WebEx training? More people would be able to participate =
more $ for Epicor.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Manasa Reddy" <manasa@...> wrote:

>
> I'm definitely interested....wish he had given a price!
>
>
>
> Anyone in the Chicago area interested in this to do a possible group
> training?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
>
> manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>
>
> 800.852.2325
>
> 630.806.2000 ofc
>
> 630.806.2001 fax
>
> www.weldcoa.com
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf

> Of Gerry Loranger
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:19 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course

for

> Vantage?
>
>
>
>
>
> Below is an outline Epicor sent me regarding agenda and cost. If

you're

> interested, send them an email. Hopefully, there is enough interest

for

> them
> to move forward.
>
> Gerry
>
> From: Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@...
> <mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>
> Custom Solutions Group
>
> I was assigned your call today in regards to 4GL/NET programming
> training
> and I should be able to help you with that as I've done most of the
> advanced
> technical classes for a couple of years.
>
> Right off the top of my head, this is an agenda I believe would be
> beneficial:
>
> Day 1:
>
> Progress basics (for each, find, if/else, repeat, locks, etc).
>
> BPM 4GL/ABL basics (this would cover the basic things you will use BPM
> for,
> like making fields mandatory, cross referencing data, populating data,
> etc).
>
> BPM 4GL/ABL advanced topics (this would cover using the Forward to
> Procedure
> functionality to call external progress programs, running programs
> persistently to re-use existing functionality - similar to what

Service

> Connect does but in BPM).
>
> Day 2:
>
> Customization basics (what is a view, row rule, extended property,

like

> properties, etc).
>
> Customization topics:
>
> Invoking searches from other objects.
>
> Invoking methods from other objects.
>
> Epi Combo usage (how to populate it dynamically with data).
>
> Embedding grids linked to UD tables (with CRUD capabilities).
>
> Somewhere in day 1, most likely at the beginning we could do a brief
> overview of the Epicor framework and how it interacts with the

business

> objects and database so people get a better understanding of how
> everything
> fits together.
>
> I'm very flexible as I've given almost all technical courses in the

past

> and
> currently do the Epicor SDK class so we can cover any other topics you
> would
> want.
>
> Price will be determined based on how many people sign up, for a

course

> of
> this type, smaller groups are better as people usually have many
> questions
> which is understandable as the material is more complex. Location is

not

> a
> problem, I've given classes here in Minneapolis and in other

countries.

>
> Thanks!
>
> Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@... <mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · May 27, 2010, 3:08pm

I hesitate because it is programming.....but not ruling it out.

Maybe if the costs were a little extreme I would demand this path. But
if they aren't, I'd rather be face-to-face since it is programming.

M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of laraines422
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:59 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course for
Vantage?

How about a WebEx training? More people would be able to participate =
more $ for Epicor.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Manasa Reddy" <manasa@...> wrote:

>
> I'm definitely interested....wish he had given a price!
>
>
>
> Anyone in the Chicago area interested in this to do a possible group
> training?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
>
> manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>
>
> 800.852.2325
>
> 630.806.2000 ofc
>
> 630.806.2001 fax
>
> www.weldcoa.com
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf

> Of Gerry Loranger
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:19 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course

for

> Vantage?
>
>
>
>
>
> Below is an outline Epicor sent me regarding agenda and cost. If

you're

> interested, send them an email. Hopefully, there is enough interest

for

> them
> to move forward.
>
> Gerry
>
> From: Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@...
> <mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>
> Custom Solutions Group
>
> I was assigned your call today in regards to 4GL/NET programming
> training
> and I should be able to help you with that as I've done most of the
> advanced
> technical classes for a couple of years.
>
> Right off the top of my head, this is an agenda I believe would be
> beneficial:
>
> Day 1:
>
> Progress basics (for each, find, if/else, repeat, locks, etc).
>
> BPM 4GL/ABL basics (this would cover the basic things you will use BPM
> for,
> like making fields mandatory, cross referencing data, populating data,
> etc).
>
> BPM 4GL/ABL advanced topics (this would cover using the Forward to
> Procedure
> functionality to call external progress programs, running programs
> persistently to re-use existing functionality - similar to what

Service

> Connect does but in BPM).
>
> Day 2:
>
> Customization basics (what is a view, row rule, extended property,

like

> properties, etc).
>
> Customization topics:
>
> Invoking searches from other objects.
>
> Invoking methods from other objects.
>
> Epi Combo usage (how to populate it dynamically with data).
>
> Embedding grids linked to UD tables (with CRUD capabilities).
>
> Somewhere in day 1, most likely at the beginning we could do a brief
> overview of the Epicor framework and how it interacts with the

business

> objects and database so people get a better understanding of how
> everything
> fits together.
>
> I'm very flexible as I've given almost all technical courses in the

past

> and
> currently do the Epicor SDK class so we can cover any other topics you
> would
> want.
>
> Price will be determined based on how many people sign up, for a

course

> of
> this type, smaller groups are better as people usually have many
> questions
> which is understandable as the material is more complex. Location is

not

> a
> problem, I've given classes here in Minneapolis and in other

countries.

>
> Thanks!
>
> Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@... <mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · May 27, 2010, 3:12pm

And Tim's reason is the one where I would say no as well.

Everyone will interrupt because I am in the building.

M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dines, Tim
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:05 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course
for Vantage?

I personally don't like Webex training. If my body is in the building,
there is nothing important enough to leave me alone.

Tim Dines

ERP Analyst

Steel Parts Manufacturing, Inc.

801 Berryman Pike

Tipton, IN 46072

765-675-5201

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of laraines422
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:59 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course for
Vantage?

How about a WebEx training? More people would be able to participate =
more $ for Epicor.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Manasa Reddy" <manasa@...> wrote:

>
> I'm definitely interested....wish he had given a price!
>
>
>
> Anyone in the Chicago area interested in this to do a possible group
> training?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
>
> manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>
>
> 800.852.2325
>
> 630.806.2000 ofc
>
> 630.806.2001 fax
>
> www.weldcoa.com
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf

> Of Gerry Loranger
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:19 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course

for

> Vantage?
>
>
>
>
>
> Below is an outline Epicor sent me regarding agenda and cost. If

you're

> interested, send them an email. Hopefully, there is enough interest

for

> them
> to move forward.
>
> Gerry
>
> From: Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@...
> <mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>
> Custom Solutions Group
>
> I was assigned your call today in regards to 4GL/NET programming
> training
> and I should be able to help you with that as I've done most of the
> advanced
> technical classes for a couple of years.
>
> Right off the top of my head, this is an agenda I believe would be
> beneficial:
>
> Day 1:
>
> Progress basics (for each, find, if/else, repeat, locks, etc).
>
> BPM 4GL/ABL basics (this would cover the basic things you will use BPM
> for,
> like making fields mandatory, cross referencing data, populating data,
> etc).
>
> BPM 4GL/ABL advanced topics (this would cover using the Forward to
> Procedure
> functionality to call external progress programs, running programs
> persistently to re-use existing functionality - similar to what

Service

> Connect does but in BPM).
>
> Day 2:
>
> Customization basics (what is a view, row rule, extended property,

like

> properties, etc).
>
> Customization topics:
>
> Invoking searches from other objects.
>
> Invoking methods from other objects.
>
> Epi Combo usage (how to populate it dynamically with data).
>
> Embedding grids linked to UD tables (with CRUD capabilities).
>
> Somewhere in day 1, most likely at the beginning we could do a brief
> overview of the Epicor framework and how it interacts with the

business

> objects and database so people get a better understanding of how
> everything
> fits together.
>
> I'm very flexible as I've given almost all technical courses in the

past

> and
> currently do the Epicor SDK class so we can cover any other topics you
> would
> want.
>
> Price will be determined based on how many people sign up, for a

course

> of
> this type, smaller groups are better as people usually have many
> questions
> which is understandable as the material is more complex. Location is

not

> a
> problem, I've given classes here in Minneapolis and in other

countries.

>
> Thanks!
>
> Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@... <mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · May 27, 2010, 3:17pm

I prefer WebEx, because being on the Left Coast is a drag when all the training I need is in Chicago. I still haven't gotten my management to understand that the return is worth the investment of plane tickets and two nights in a hotel, and I promise to feed myself. If I need to be out of building, well, my kids are grown (pretty much), so I can attend from home... (I wish Starbucks wasn't so noisy..)
- leAnn

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Dines, Tim" <tdines@...> wrote:
>
> I personally don't like Webex training. If my body is in the building,
> there is nothing important enough to leave me alone.
>
>
>
> Tim Dines
>
> ERP Analyst
>
> Steel Parts Manufacturing, Inc.
>
> 801 Berryman Pike
>
> Tipton, IN 46072
>
> 765-675-5201
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of laraines422
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:59 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course for
> Vantage?
>
>
>
>
>
> How about a WebEx training? More people would be able to participate =
> more $ for Epicor.
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Manasa Reddy" <manasa@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm definitely interested....wish he had given a price!
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone in the Chicago area interested in this to do a possible group
> > training?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > M. Manasa Reddy
> >
> > manasa@ <mailto:manasa@>
> >
> > 800.852.2325
> >
> > 630.806.2000 ofc
> >
> > 630.806.2001 fax
> >
> > www.weldcoa.com
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> > Of Gerry Loranger
> > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:19 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course
> for
> > Vantage?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Below is an outline Epicor sent me regarding agenda and cost. If
> you're
> > interested, send them an email. Hopefully, there is enough interest
> for
> > them
> > to move forward.
> >
> > Gerry
> >
> > From: Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@
> > <mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>
> > Custom Solutions Group
> >
> > I was assigned your call today in regards to 4GL/NET programming
> > training
> > and I should be able to help you with that as I've done most of the
> > advanced
> > technical classes for a couple of years.
> >
> > Right off the top of my head, this is an agenda I believe would be
> > beneficial:
> >
> > Day 1:
> >
> > Progress basics (for each, find, if/else, repeat, locks, etc).
> >
> > BPM 4GL/ABL basics (this would cover the basic things you will use BPM
> > for,
> > like making fields mandatory, cross referencing data, populating data,
> > etc).
> >
> > BPM 4GL/ABL advanced topics (this would cover using the Forward to
> > Procedure
> > functionality to call external progress programs, running programs
> > persistently to re-use existing functionality - similar to what
> Service
> > Connect does but in BPM).
> >
> > Day 2:
> >
> > Customization basics (what is a view, row rule, extended property,
> like
> > properties, etc).
> >
> > Customization topics:
> >
> > Invoking searches from other objects.
> >
> > Invoking methods from other objects.
> >
> > Epi Combo usage (how to populate it dynamically with data).
> >
> > Embedding grids linked to UD tables (with CRUD capabilities).
> >
> > Somewhere in day 1, most likely at the beginning we could do a brief
> > overview of the Epicor framework and how it interacts with the
> business
> > objects and database so people get a better understanding of how
> > everything
> > fits together.
> >
> > I'm very flexible as I've given almost all technical courses in the
> past
> > and
> > currently do the Epicor SDK class so we can cover any other topics you
> > would
> > want.
> >
> > Price will be determined based on how many people sign up, for a
> course
> > of
> > this type, smaller groups are better as people usually have many
> > questions
> > which is understandable as the material is more complex. Location is
> not
> > a
> > problem, I've given classes here in Minneapolis and in other
> countries.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@ <mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

system · May 27, 2010, 3:31pm

I haven't seen any mention this, but you can find a lot of great documentation on Progress 4GL at their own sites,
http://communities.progress.com/pcom/docs

________________________________
From: Rob Bucek <rbucek@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 1:32:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course for Vantage?

Whatever do you mean Brian, were all paid consultants on here, somebody
is giving you money while you do such an outstanding job answering
questions on here lol!

Rob Bucek

Manufacturing Engineer

PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 3111

Mobile: (715)896-0590

FAX: (715)284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

(Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian W. Spolarich
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course
for Vantage?

*nods*

I actually went to Perspectives this last time on the hope that the
Advanced Customization class would enable me to leverage the client-side
stuff more effectively. The class was a huge disappointment as the
instructor kept saying "I'm not a programmer" and kept punting all of
the real questions to Rich Riley and Brian Hattrup (you can thank Brian
for the whole Dashboard framework, among other things). I'm thinking
"why the heck did they send someone who doesn't understand coding to
teach a coding class!?!".

Brian and Rich did a good job fielding questions, but their job isn't to
provide documentation, its to deliver code, and I don't think Epicor
sees this as something that's high on the priority list.

I think this community could probably do something like this, and Mark
Wonsil kick-started this with a Mediawiki-based web site, but seeding
such a site to make it useful would require some real initial commitment
to make it useful enough to be a real resource, and we all have day
jobs. :-)

-bws

--
Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix /
Picometrix
bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> ~ 734-864-5618 ~
www.advancedphotonix.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:01 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course
for Vantage?

[snip]

It just stings a little when Epicor first pitched this capability during
the first sales encounter I had with them 3 years ago and I'm still
struggling to create customizations.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · May 27, 2010, 3:33pm

I'd like to attend as well. As everyone else has said, it depends on cost and location. Great idea though.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Dalton" <daled@...> wrote:
>
> Add my name to the list please
>
>
>
> Dale Dalton
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> schmangy20000
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:43 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course for
> Vantage?
>
>
>
>
>
> I contacted Epicor to find out if they offered advanced customization
> courses using 4GL. They do not get many requests for this type of training,
> so they put me on a waiting list. Is anyone else out there interested in
> this kind of training?
>
> Gerry Loranger
> Systems Administrator
> Preformed Line Products
> 1711 Bishop St. East
> Cambridge, ON N1T 1N5
> 519-740-6666 Ext. 224
> Email: gloranger@... <mailto:gloranger%40preformed.on.ca>
> Visit our website at www.preformed.on.ca
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

system · May 27, 2010, 3:40pm

Yes, I think we all agree that "in-person" is much better and preferred. But as a fellow Left-Coaster - and as LeAnn says - it's almost impossible to get the funding and/or make the case for the ROI. But I think I could sell a WebEx training!

Epicor might consider offering this at Perspectives - I wonder if it would help attendance?

Laraine

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "leann_37" <lmarruffo@...> wrote:
>
> I prefer WebEx, because being on the Left Coast is a drag when all the training I need is in Chicago. I still haven't gotten my management to understand that the return is worth the investment of plane tickets and two nights in a hotel, and I promise to feed myself. If I need to be out of building, well, my kids are grown (pretty much), so I can attend from home... (I wish Starbucks wasn't so noisy..)
> - leAnn
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Dines, Tim" <tdines@> wrote:
> >
> > I personally don't like Webex training. If my body is in the building,
> > there is nothing important enough to leave me alone.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tim Dines
> >
> > ERP Analyst
> >
> > Steel Parts Manufacturing, Inc.
> >
> > 801 Berryman Pike
> >
> > Tipton, IN 46072
> >
> > 765-675-5201
> >
> >
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of laraines422
> > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:59 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course for
> > Vantage?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > How about a WebEx training? More people would be able to participate =
> > more $ for Epicor.
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > "Manasa Reddy" <manasa@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm definitely interested....wish he had given a price!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone in the Chicago area interested in this to do a possible group
> > > training?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Manasa Reddy
> > >
> > > manasa@ <mailto:manasa@>
> > >
> > > 800.852.2325
> > >
> > > 630.806.2000 ofc
> > >
> > > 630.806.2001 fax
> > >
> > > www.weldcoa.com
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Gerry Loranger
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:19 PM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course
> > for
> > > Vantage?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Below is an outline Epicor sent me regarding agenda and cost. If
> > you're
> > > interested, send them an email. Hopefully, there is enough interest
> > for
> > > them
> > > to move forward.
> > >
> > > Gerry
> > >
> > > From: Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@
> > > <mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>
> > > Custom Solutions Group
> > >
> > > I was assigned your call today in regards to 4GL/NET programming
> > > training
> > > and I should be able to help you with that as I've done most of the
> > > advanced
> > > technical classes for a couple of years.
> > >
> > > Right off the top of my head, this is an agenda I believe would be
> > > beneficial:
> > >
> > > Day 1:
> > >
> > > Progress basics (for each, find, if/else, repeat, locks, etc).
> > >
> > > BPM 4GL/ABL basics (this would cover the basic things you will use BPM
> > > for,
> > > like making fields mandatory, cross referencing data, populating data,
> > > etc).
> > >
> > > BPM 4GL/ABL advanced topics (this would cover using the Forward to
> > > Procedure
> > > functionality to call external progress programs, running programs
> > > persistently to re-use existing functionality - similar to what
> > Service
> > > Connect does but in BPM).
> > >
> > > Day 2:
> > >
> > > Customization basics (what is a view, row rule, extended property,
> > like
> > > properties, etc).
> > >
> > > Customization topics:
> > >
> > > Invoking searches from other objects.
> > >
> > > Invoking methods from other objects.
> > >
> > > Epi Combo usage (how to populate it dynamically with data).
> > >
> > > Embedding grids linked to UD tables (with CRUD capabilities).
> > >
> > > Somewhere in day 1, most likely at the beginning we could do a brief
> > > overview of the Epicor framework and how it interacts with the
> > business
> > > objects and database so people get a better understanding of how
> > > everything
> > > fits together.
> > >
> > > I'm very flexible as I've given almost all technical courses in the
> > past
> > > and
> > > currently do the Epicor SDK class so we can cover any other topics you
> > > would
> > > want.
> > >
> > > Price will be determined based on how many people sign up, for a
> > course
> > > of
> > > this type, smaller groups are better as people usually have many
> > > questions
> > > which is understandable as the material is more complex. Location is
> > not
> > > a
> > > problem, I've given classes here in Minneapolis and in other
> > countries.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@ <mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

system · May 27, 2010, 3:41pm

Chicago isn't too far from me. It's been a while since I had a cold beer at
Navy Pier!

Gerry Loranger

Systems Administrator

Preformed Line Products

1711 Bishop St. East

Cambridge, ON N1T 1N5

519-740-6666 Ext. 224

Email: <mailto:gloranger@...> gloranger@...

Visit our website at <http://www.preformed.on.ca> www.preformed.on.ca

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system · May 27, 2010, 3:43pm

I use these regularly:

ABL/4GL Reference - http://www.progress.com/progress/products/documentation/docs/dvref/dvref.pdf
ABL/4GL Handbook - http://www.progress.com/progress/products/documentation/docs/dvhbk/dvhbk.pdf

However, knowing how to use the language and knowing how 4GL/ABL is implemented and usable in the server-side context of Vantage/Epicor9 are two rather different things.

Again, at minimum a cookbook of basic techniques would be nice.

-bws

Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix / Picometrix
Â Â Â Â bspolarich@... ~ 734-864-5618 ~ www.advancedphotonix.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony Hughes
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 3:32 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course for Vantage?

I haven't seen any mention this, but you can find a lot of great documentation on Progress 4GL at their own sites,
http://communities.progress.com/pcom/docs

system · May 27, 2010, 3:49pm

If there are enough people from the "left", it may be possible to setup
two classes.

Tim Dines

ERP Analyst

Steel Parts Manufacturing, Inc.

801 Berryman Pike

Tipton, IN 46072

765-675-5201

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of laraines422
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 3:40 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course for
Vantage?

Yes, I think we all agree that "in-person" is much better and preferred.
But as a fellow Left-Coaster - and as LeAnn says - it's almost
impossible to get the funding and/or make the case for the ROI. But I
think I could sell a WebEx training!

Epicor might consider offering this at Perspectives - I wonder if it
would help attendance?

Laraine

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"leann_37" <lmarruffo@...> wrote:

>
> I prefer WebEx, because being on the Left Coast is a drag when all the

training I need is in Chicago. I still haven't gotten my management to
understand that the return is worth the investment of plane tickets and
two nights in a hotel, and I promise to feed myself. If I need to be out
of building, well, my kids are grown (pretty much), so I can attend from
home... (I wish Starbucks wasn't so noisy..)

> - leAnn
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,

"Dines, Tim" <tdines@> wrote:

> >
> > I personally don't like Webex training. If my body is in the

building,

> > there is nothing important enough to leave me alone.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tim Dines
> >
> > ERP Analyst
> >
> > Steel Parts Manufacturing, Inc.
> >
> > 801 Berryman Pike
> >
> > Tipton, IN 46072
> >
> > 765-675-5201
> >
> >
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf

> > Of laraines422
> > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:59 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course

for

> > Vantage?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > How about a WebEx training? More people would be able to participate

=

> > more $ for Epicor.
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,

> > "Manasa Reddy" <manasa@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm definitely interested....wish he had given a price!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone in the Chicago area interested in this to do a possible

group

> > > training?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Manasa Reddy
> > >
> > > manasa@ <mailto:manasa@>
> > >
> > > 800.852.2325
> > >
> > > 630.806.2000 ofc
> > >
> > > 630.806.2001 fax
> > >
> > > www.weldcoa.com
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On

> > Behalf
> > > Of Gerry Loranger
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:19 PM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

> > > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming

course

> > for
> > > Vantage?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Below is an outline Epicor sent me regarding agenda and cost. If
> > you're
> > > interested, send them an email. Hopefully, there is enough

interest

> > for
> > > them
> > > to move forward.
> > >
> > > Gerry
> > >
> > > From: Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@
> > > <mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>
> > > Custom Solutions Group
> > >
> > > I was assigned your call today in regards to 4GL/NET programming
> > > training
> > > and I should be able to help you with that as I've done most of

the

> > > advanced
> > > technical classes for a couple of years.
> > >
> > > Right off the top of my head, this is an agenda I believe would be
> > > beneficial:
> > >
> > > Day 1:
> > >
> > > Progress basics (for each, find, if/else, repeat, locks, etc).
> > >
> > > BPM 4GL/ABL basics (this would cover the basic things you will use

BPM

> > > for,
> > > like making fields mandatory, cross referencing data, populating

data,

> > > etc).
> > >
> > > BPM 4GL/ABL advanced topics (this would cover using the Forward to
> > > Procedure
> > > functionality to call external progress programs, running programs
> > > persistently to re-use existing functionality - similar to what
> > Service
> > > Connect does but in BPM).
> > >
> > > Day 2:
> > >
> > > Customization basics (what is a view, row rule, extended property,
> > like
> > > properties, etc).
> > >
> > > Customization topics:
> > >
> > > Invoking searches from other objects.
> > >
> > > Invoking methods from other objects.
> > >
> > > Epi Combo usage (how to populate it dynamically with data).
> > >
> > > Embedding grids linked to UD tables (with CRUD capabilities).
> > >
> > > Somewhere in day 1, most likely at the beginning we could do a

brief

> > > overview of the Epicor framework and how it interacts with the
> > business
> > > objects and database so people get a better understanding of how
> > > everything
> > > fits together.
> > >
> > > I'm very flexible as I've given almost all technical courses in

the

> > past
> > > and
> > > currently do the Epicor SDK class so we can cover any other topics

you

> > > would
> > > want.
> > >
> > > Price will be determined based on how many people sign up, for a
> > course
> > > of
> > > this type, smaller groups are better as people usually have many
> > > questions
> > > which is understandable as the material is more complex. Location

is

> > not
> > > a
> > > problem, I've given classes here in Minneapolis and in other
> > countries.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Kenny Rodriguez, crodriguez@ <mailto:crodriguez%40epicor.com>
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

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system · May 27, 2010, 3:50pm

I agree with Brian 100%.

Tim Dines

ERP Analyst

Steel Parts Manufacturing, Inc.

801 Berryman Pike

Tipton, IN 46072

765-675-5201

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian W. Spolarich
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 3:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course for Vantage?

I use these regularly:

ABL/4GL Reference - http://www.progress.com/progress/products/documentation/docs/dvref/dvref.pdf
ABL/4GL Handbook - http://www.progress.com/progress/products/documentation/docs/dvhbk/dvhbk.pdf

However, knowing how to use the language and knowing how 4GL/ABL is implemented and usable in the server-side context of Vantage/Epicor9 are two rather different things.

Again, at minimum a cookbook of basic techniques would be nice.

-bws

Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix / Picometrix
bspolarich@... <mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> ~ 734-864-5618 ~ www.advancedphotonix.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Tony Hughes
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 3:32 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Anyone interested in a 4GL Programming course for Vantage?

I haven't seen any mention this, but you can find a lot of great documentation on Progress 4GL at their own sites,
http://communities.progress.com/pcom/docs

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