[6.1] Burden Configurations

Matt,

I have instructed our supervisors to pay attention to this on a daily
basis. I just would like a method for myself to monitor as well.
Looking at the canned efficiency reports, I do not see immediately how
to pick this up. Which report do you use? I would optimally like a
machine efficiency report.

- Bruce


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "MATT FINN" <matt@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce, this is the case and it absolutely causes problems for us as
> well. The way we catch it is on the monthly efficiency reports. Then
> we have to manually go back into the labor records and adjust so that
> labor = burden for those effected. Not the greatest solution but the
> only other way we could see to correct this was to add another
> workcenter for the same physical machine(s). If there is a better
> way....please share!
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Bruce Butler
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:50 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] Burden Configurations
>
>
>
> For us, to have the burden configuration set in the workcenter
> masterfile is causing problems. When it comes time to run jobs, the
> default option is not always correct.
>
> For instance the default of not having anything checked produces the
> following results;
>
> Assumption: 1 worker, 2 jobs, 2 machines, 8 hrs
>
> Labor -4 hrs to each job
>
> Burden -8 hrs to each job
>
> This accounts for 90% of our runs and works great.
>
> Our issue comes in when we run two jobs on one machine with one operator
> so;
>
> Assumption: 1 Worker, 2 Jobs, 1 Machine, 8 hrs, Jobs have equal cycle
> time
>
> Labor -4 hrs to each job
>
> Burden -8 hrs to each job
>
> Since the machine can only work on one job at a time, the Burden should
> only be 4 hrs to each job. This would be the equivalent of Burden =
> Labor option at the workcenter level.
>
> This accounts for the other 10% of our runs.
>
> The supervisors do not always catch this. It ends up doubling our WIP,
> halving our efficiencies, and killing our SGM. The ultimate solution
> for us would be to have an override at the job level. I just peeked
> into 8.03 and it looks like this would be an issue there as well. I
> issued an enhancement request for this a while ago, but have never seen
> any action.
>
> I am curious to see if there are other companies out there that feel
> this is an issue?
>
> Bruce Butler, IT Manager
>
> Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com
> <http://www.knappe-koester.com> >
>
> 18 Bradco Street
>
> Keene, NH
>
> p. 603-355-1166
>
> f. 603-355-2266
>
> bbutler@... <mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
For us, to have the burden configuration set in the workcenter
masterfile is causing problems. When it comes time to run jobs, the
default option is not always correct.



For instance the default of not having anything checked produces the
following results;



Assumption: 1 worker, 2 jobs, 2 machines, 8 hrs

Labor -4 hrs to each job

Burden -8 hrs to each job

This accounts for 90% of our runs and works great.



Our issue comes in when we run two jobs on one machine with one operator
so;

Assumption: 1 Worker, 2 Jobs, 1 Machine, 8 hrs, Jobs have equal cycle
time

Labor -4 hrs to each job

Burden -8 hrs to each job

Since the machine can only work on one job at a time, the Burden should
only be 4 hrs to each job. This would be the equivalent of Burden =
Labor option at the workcenter level.

This accounts for the other 10% of our runs.



The supervisors do not always catch this. It ends up doubling our WIP,
halving our efficiencies, and killing our SGM. The ultimate solution
for us would be to have an override at the job level. I just peeked
into 8.03 and it looks like this would be an issue there as well. I
issued an enhancement request for this a while ago, but have never seen
any action.



I am curious to see if there are other companies out there that feel
this is an issue?





Bruce Butler, IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com>

18 Bradco Street

Keene, NH

p. 603-355-1166

f. 603-355-2266

bbutler@...





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yes, Yes, Yes! I have the exact same problem. What I requested was to
have the options for "labor=burden" or "Split Burden" be able to be used
at the resource level in addition to on the resource group level where
they are now. This would allow the workcenter burden to still be
doubled when 2 machines in the same workcenter are being run (as it is
now), but to also divide the labor when the same machine is being run on
2 jobs. The enhancement request is Page 17427MPS. I also spoke to
Terry Posterick (vantage product development group) about this it at
perspectives and he told me they would look into for future development.
It is such a hassle right now. (the way we currently handle this is by
every day running reports to see if the same machine was used at the
same time by 2 different jobs then manually dividing the burden!!)

Thanks,
Sarah


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bruce Butler
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] Burden Configurations

For us, to have the burden configuration set in the workcenter
masterfile is causing problems. When it comes time to run jobs, the
default option is not always correct.



For instance the default of not having anything checked produces the
following results;



Assumption: 1 worker, 2 jobs, 2 machines, 8 hrs

Labor -4 hrs to each job

Burden -8 hrs to each job

This accounts for 90% of our runs and works great.



Our issue comes in when we run two jobs on one machine with one operator
so;

Assumption: 1 Worker, 2 Jobs, 1 Machine, 8 hrs, Jobs have equal cycle
time

Labor -4 hrs to each job

Burden -8 hrs to each job

Since the machine can only work on one job at a time, the Burden should
only be 4 hrs to each job. This would be the equivalent of Burden =
Labor option at the workcenter level.

This accounts for the other 10% of our runs.



The supervisors do not always catch this. It ends up doubling our WIP,
halving our efficiencies, and killing our SGM. The ultimate solution
for us would be to have an override at the job level. I just peeked
into 8.03 and it looks like this would be an issue there as well. I
issued an enhancement request for this a while ago, but have never seen
any action.



I am curious to see if there are other companies out there that feel
this is an issue?





Bruce Butler, IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com>

18 Bradco Street

Keene, NH

p. 603-355-1166

f. 603-355-2266

bbutler@...





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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Bruce, this is the case and it absolutely causes problems for us as
well. The way we catch it is on the monthly efficiency reports. Then
we have to manually go back into the labor records and adjust so that
labor = burden for those effected. Not the greatest solution but the
only other way we could see to correct this was to add another
workcenter for the same physical machine(s). If there is a better
way....please share!



Matt





________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bruce Butler
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] Burden Configurations



For us, to have the burden configuration set in the workcenter
masterfile is causing problems. When it comes time to run jobs, the
default option is not always correct.

For instance the default of not having anything checked produces the
following results;

Assumption: 1 worker, 2 jobs, 2 machines, 8 hrs

Labor -4 hrs to each job

Burden -8 hrs to each job

This accounts for 90% of our runs and works great.

Our issue comes in when we run two jobs on one machine with one operator
so;

Assumption: 1 Worker, 2 Jobs, 1 Machine, 8 hrs, Jobs have equal cycle
time

Labor -4 hrs to each job

Burden -8 hrs to each job

Since the machine can only work on one job at a time, the Burden should
only be 4 hrs to each job. This would be the equivalent of Burden =
Labor option at the workcenter level.

This accounts for the other 10% of our runs.

The supervisors do not always catch this. It ends up doubling our WIP,
halving our efficiencies, and killing our SGM. The ultimate solution
for us would be to have an override at the job level. I just peeked
into 8.03 and it looks like this would be an issue there as well. I
issued an enhancement request for this a while ago, but have never seen
any action.

I am curious to see if there are other companies out there that feel
this is an issue?

Bruce Butler, IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com
<http://www.knappe-koester.com> >

18 Bradco Street

Keene, NH

p. 603-355-1166

f. 603-355-2266

bbutler@... <mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Matt, Bruce and anyone else affected by this problem, please add your
name to enhancement request "Page 17427MPS". The more of us that report
this as a major problem, the better chance we will have of getting a
change implemented to solve this for us all and stop the vast manual
work this now requires.

Thanks!
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of MATT FINN
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:41 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] Burden Configurations

Bruce, this is the case and it absolutely causes problems for us as
well. The way we catch it is on the monthly efficiency reports. Then
we have to manually go back into the labor records and adjust so that
labor = burden for those effected. Not the greatest solution but the
only other way we could see to correct this was to add another
workcenter for the same physical machine(s). If there is a better
way....please share!



Matt





________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bruce Butler
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] Burden Configurations



For us, to have the burden configuration set in the workcenter
masterfile is causing problems. When it comes time to run jobs, the
default option is not always correct.

For instance the default of not having anything checked produces the
following results;

Assumption: 1 worker, 2 jobs, 2 machines, 8 hrs

Labor -4 hrs to each job

Burden -8 hrs to each job

This accounts for 90% of our runs and works great.

Our issue comes in when we run two jobs on one machine with one operator
so;

Assumption: 1 Worker, 2 Jobs, 1 Machine, 8 hrs, Jobs have equal cycle
time

Labor -4 hrs to each job

Burden -8 hrs to each job

Since the machine can only work on one job at a time, the Burden should
only be 4 hrs to each job. This would be the equivalent of Burden =
Labor option at the workcenter level.

This accounts for the other 10% of our runs.

The supervisors do not always catch this. It ends up doubling our WIP,
halving our efficiencies, and killing our SGM. The ultimate solution
for us would be to have an override at the job level. I just peeked
into 8.03 and it looks like this would be an issue there as well. I
issued an enhancement request for this a while ago, but have never seen
any action.

I am curious to see if there are other companies out there that feel
this is an issue?

Bruce Butler, IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com
<http://www.knappe-koester.com> >

18 Bradco Street

Keene, NH

p. 603-355-1166

f. 603-355-2266

bbutler@... <mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
Signed on!



Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of sarah.vareschi@...
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:33 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Cc: tposterick@...
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] Burden Configurations



Yes, Yes, Yes! I have the exact same problem. What I requested was to
have the options for "labor=burden" or "Split Burden" be able to be used
at the resource level in addition to on the resource group level where
they are now. This would allow the workcenter burden to still be
doubled when 2 machines in the same workcenter are being run (as it is
now), but to also divide the labor when the same machine is being run on
2 jobs. The enhancement request is Page 17427MPS. I also spoke to
Terry Posterick (vantage product development group) about this it at
perspectives and he told me they would look into for future development.
It is such a hassle right now. (the way we currently handle this is by
every day running reports to see if the same machine was used at the
same time by 2 different jobs then manually dividing the burden!!)

Thanks,
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Bruce Butler
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] Burden Configurations

For us, to have the burden configuration set in the workcenter
masterfile is causing problems. When it comes time to run jobs, the
default option is not always correct.

For instance the default of not having anything checked produces the
following results;

Assumption: 1 worker, 2 jobs, 2 machines, 8 hrs

Labor -4 hrs to each job

Burden -8 hrs to each job

This accounts for 90% of our runs and works great.

Our issue comes in when we run two jobs on one machine with one operator
so;

Assumption: 1 Worker, 2 Jobs, 1 Machine, 8 hrs, Jobs have equal cycle
time

Labor -4 hrs to each job

Burden -8 hrs to each job

Since the machine can only work on one job at a time, the Burden should
only be 4 hrs to each job. This would be the equivalent of Burden =
Labor option at the workcenter level.

This accounts for the other 10% of our runs.

The supervisors do not always catch this. It ends up doubling our WIP,
halving our efficiencies, and killing our SGM. The ultimate solution
for us would be to have an override at the job level. I just peeked
into 8.03 and it looks like this would be an issue there as well. I
issued an enhancement request for this a while ago, but have never seen
any action.

I am curious to see if there are other companies out there that feel
this is an issue?

Bruce Butler, IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com
<http://www.knappe-koester.com> >

18 Bradco Street

Keene, NH

p. 603-355-1166

f. 603-355-2266

bbutler@... <mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
Yahoo! Groups Links





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
How do I add my name to an enhancement request? I'd definitely want
to sign on for this one!
Thanks,

kelly

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <sarah.vareschi@...> wrote:
>
> Matt, Bruce and anyone else affected by this problem, please add your
> name to enhancement request "Page 17427MPS". The more of us that report
> this as a major problem, the better chance we will have of getting a
> change implemented to solve this for us all and stop the vast manual
> work this now requires.
>
> Thanks!
> Sarah
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of MATT FINN
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:41 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] Burden Configurations
>
> Bruce, this is the case and it absolutely causes problems for us as
> well. The way we catch it is on the monthly efficiency reports. Then
> we have to manually go back into the labor records and adjust so that
> labor = burden for those effected. Not the greatest solution but the
> only other way we could see to correct this was to add another
> workcenter for the same physical machine(s). If there is a better
> way....please share!
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Bruce Butler
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:50 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] Burden Configurations
>
>
>
> For us, to have the burden configuration set in the workcenter
> masterfile is causing problems. When it comes time to run jobs, the
> default option is not always correct.
>
> For instance the default of not having anything checked produces the
> following results;
>
> Assumption: 1 worker, 2 jobs, 2 machines, 8 hrs
>
> Labor -4 hrs to each job
>
> Burden -8 hrs to each job
>
> This accounts for 90% of our runs and works great.
>
> Our issue comes in when we run two jobs on one machine with one operator
> so;
>
> Assumption: 1 Worker, 2 Jobs, 1 Machine, 8 hrs, Jobs have equal cycle
> time
>
> Labor -4 hrs to each job
>
> Burden -8 hrs to each job
>
> Since the machine can only work on one job at a time, the Burden should
> only be 4 hrs to each job. This would be the equivalent of Burden =
> Labor option at the workcenter level.
>
> This accounts for the other 10% of our runs.
>
> The supervisors do not always catch this. It ends up doubling our WIP,
> halving our efficiencies, and killing our SGM. The ultimate solution
> for us would be to have an override at the job level. I just peeked
> into 8.03 and it looks like this would be an issue there as well. I
> issued an enhancement request for this a while ago, but have never seen
> any action.
>
> I am curious to see if there are other companies out there that feel
> this is an issue?
>
> Bruce Butler, IT Manager
>
> Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com
> <http://www.knappe-koester.com> >
>
> 18 Bradco Street
>
> Keene, NH
>
> p. 603-355-1166
>
> f. 603-355-2266
>
> bbutler@... <mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
Hi Kelly,

To add your name to an existing enhancement request or change request
you have to call tech support or use the eportal site to log a new call
requesting to be added to it.

Thanks!
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of wendorff1
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [6.1] Burden Configurations

How do I add my name to an enhancement request? I'd definitely want
to sign on for this one!
Thanks,

kelly

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <sarah.vareschi@...> wrote:
>
> Matt, Bruce and anyone else affected by this problem, please add your
> name to enhancement request "Page 17427MPS". The more of us that
report
> this as a major problem, the better chance we will have of getting a
> change implemented to solve this for us all and stop the vast manual
> work this now requires.
>
> Thanks!
> Sarah
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of MATT FINN
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:41 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] Burden Configurations
>
> Bruce, this is the case and it absolutely causes problems for us as
> well. The way we catch it is on the monthly efficiency reports. Then
> we have to manually go back into the labor records and adjust so that
> labor = burden for those effected. Not the greatest solution but the
> only other way we could see to correct this was to add another
> workcenter for the same physical machine(s). If there is a better
> way....please share!
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Bruce Butler
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:50 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] Burden Configurations
>
>
>
> For us, to have the burden configuration set in the workcenter
> masterfile is causing problems. When it comes time to run jobs, the
> default option is not always correct.
>
> For instance the default of not having anything checked produces the
> following results;
>
> Assumption: 1 worker, 2 jobs, 2 machines, 8 hrs
>
> Labor -4 hrs to each job
>
> Burden -8 hrs to each job
>
> This accounts for 90% of our runs and works great.
>
> Our issue comes in when we run two jobs on one machine with one
operator
> so;
>
> Assumption: 1 Worker, 2 Jobs, 1 Machine, 8 hrs, Jobs have equal cycle
> time
>
> Labor -4 hrs to each job
>
> Burden -8 hrs to each job
>
> Since the machine can only work on one job at a time, the Burden
should
> only be 4 hrs to each job. This would be the equivalent of Burden =
> Labor option at the workcenter level.
>
> This accounts for the other 10% of our runs.
>
> The supervisors do not always catch this. It ends up doubling our WIP,
> halving our efficiencies, and killing our SGM. The ultimate solution
> for us would be to have an override at the job level. I just peeked
> into 8.03 and it looks like this would be an issue there as well. I
> issued an enhancement request for this a while ago, but have never
seen
> any action.
>
> I am curious to see if there are other companies out there that feel
> this is an issue?
>
> Bruce Butler, IT Manager
>
> Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com
> <http://www.knappe-koester.com> >
>
> 18 Bradco Street
>
> Keene, NH
>
> p. 603-355-1166
>
> f. 603-355-2266
>
> bbutler@... <mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
)
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>





Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
Call in and tell them you would like to add your company ID to
enhancement request 17427MPS.



Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of wendorff1
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [6.1] Burden Configurations



How do I add my name to an enhancement request? I'd definitely want
to sign on for this one!
Thanks,

kelly

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
<sarah.vareschi@...> wrote:
>
> Matt, Bruce and anyone else affected by this problem, please add your
> name to enhancement request "Page 17427MPS". The more of us that
report
> this as a major problem, the better chance we will have of getting a
> change implemented to solve this for us all and stop the vast manual
> work this now requires.
>
> Thanks!
> Sarah
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
> Of MATT FINN
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:41 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] Burden Configurations
>
> Bruce, this is the case and it absolutely causes problems for us as
> well. The way we catch it is on the monthly efficiency reports. Then
> we have to manually go back into the labor records and adjust so that
> labor = burden for those effected. Not the greatest solution but the
> only other way we could see to correct this was to add another
> workcenter for the same physical machine(s). If there is a better
> way....please share!
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
> Of Bruce Butler
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:50 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] Burden Configurations
>
>
>
> For us, to have the burden configuration set in the workcenter
> masterfile is causing problems. When it comes time to run jobs, the
> default option is not always correct.
>
> For instance the default of not having anything checked produces the
> following results;
>
> Assumption: 1 worker, 2 jobs, 2 machines, 8 hrs
>
> Labor -4 hrs to each job
>
> Burden -8 hrs to each job
>
> This accounts for 90% of our runs and works great.
>
> Our issue comes in when we run two jobs on one machine with one
operator
> so;
>
> Assumption: 1 Worker, 2 Jobs, 1 Machine, 8 hrs, Jobs have equal cycle
> time
>
> Labor -4 hrs to each job
>
> Burden -8 hrs to each job
>
> Since the machine can only work on one job at a time, the Burden
should
> only be 4 hrs to each job. This would be the equivalent of Burden =
> Labor option at the workcenter level.
>
> This accounts for the other 10% of our runs.
>
> The supervisors do not always catch this. It ends up doubling our WIP,
> halving our efficiencies, and killing our SGM. The ultimate solution
> for us would be to have an override at the job level. I just peeked
> into 8.03 and it looks like this would be an issue there as well. I
> issued an enhancement request for this a while ago, but have never
seen
> any action.
>
> I am curious to see if there are other companies out there that feel
> this is an issue?
>
> Bruce Butler, IT Manager
>
> Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com
<http://www.knappe-koester.com>
> <http://www.knappe-koester.com <http://www.knappe-koester.com> > >
>
> 18 Bradco Street
>
> Keene, NH
>
> p. 603-355-1166
>
> f. 603-355-2266
>
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