[6.10] Workcenter Load Levelling doesn't move entire job

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Hi All,

Another scheduling problem we have encountered.

We attempt to schedule operations through a bottle neck workcentre using
Load Levelling.
All the operations move, but the entire job stays where it was except
for the moved operations. This makes no logical sense at all. Is there
anything I am missing in the setup?

For example I have a job with 6 operations spanning a month period. It
passes through the same workcentre twice. I drag the operations around
on the workcentre load schedule, and bring the two operations a week
forward. All the other operations remain where they were, including the
operation between the two moved operations. The part cannot be made
logically because middle operation isn't scheduled for a week, but needs
to be done before the second moved operation can commence.

If anyone can offer any thoughts on ways to work around this problem, I
would be very appreciative. Seems moving operations cannot work without
looking at a job specific scenario. Would seem much quicker to schedule
allowing other changes to also occur around what you are moving. Then
you could just smooth the overloaded workcentres created by the plan to
manage schedule by the problem workcentre.
Thanks a lot.


Stuart Noble
Thompson Meat Machinery
stuart@...
' + 61 7 3803 6643



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I have a couple question subjects from my boss that we need some opinions on.

We are contemplating switching our costing from employee/labor-rate to a combined Workcenter rate. We would be setting the Shop Employee labor rate (not used for payroll) to zero and add a standard labor rate into the work center burden rate. As it is now all employees that typically work an area have the same labor rate anyway. I believe the objective is to track work center hours and cost jobs based on hours in a Workcenter rather than people hours. Hours would still come form people clocking on to a job operation. This would line up much better with our external quoting system.

We also are getting into more lights out operation with some automated equipment and we are wondering how other people are accumulating production hours for the work center. Especially if multiple jobs are run...either at the same time (nested parts in material sheet) or if the machine switches materials and jobs entirely at some point during the night. Would we use a phantom employee to clock in and then labor edit the details?

Any insights into these areas would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.



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Youre probably speaking about a laser or plasma operation Im assuming.
We are using 'use estimates' to split up labor/burden for parts in a
laser nest. You can certainly get an interesting mix in that scenario.
We found the way it splits time to be fairly acceptable. You may want
to research that a bit and test it out. We are also starting to use
service connect more with those types of processes. The nesting
software outputs the nesting information to service connect which then
puts which nest a particular part is on by storing that information
directly on the joboper table and what machine it is on. That way folks
can see if a part has been nested and what nest it is on, it also
recalculates quantity per part based on actual material used in the nest
so when when the operation is complete and material backflushes we avoid
those material variances you get in reality. Next stage is autojob
loggin where an operator types in a nest number and service connect will
grab that and look up all the operations tied to that nest and log the
operator into those jobs (so he doesn't have to stand there for 15
minutes logging into the 30 parts in a nest).



Rob Bucek

Manufacturing Engineer

PH: 715-284-5376 ext 311

FAX: 715-284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

(Click the logo to view our site)



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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:42 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [6.10] Workcenter Based Costing & Lights Out
Operation



I have a couple question subjects from my boss that we need some
opinions on.

We are contemplating switching our costing from employee/labor-rate to a
combined Workcenter rate. We would be setting the Shop Employee labor
rate (not used for payroll) to zero and add a standard labor rate into
the work center burden rate. As it is now all employees that typically
work an area have the same labor rate anyway. I believe the objective is
to track work center hours and cost jobs based on hours in a Workcenter
rather than people hours. Hours would still come form people clocking on
to a job operation. This would line up much better with our external
quoting system.

We also are getting into more lights out operation with some automated
equipment and we are wondering how other people are accumulating
production hours for the work center. Especially if multiple jobs are
run...either at the same time (nested parts in material sheet) or if the
machine switches materials and jobs entirely at some point during the
night. Would we use a phantom employee to clock in and then labor edit
the details?

Any insights into these areas would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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Yes, this is for laser. I'll need to check the nesting software capabilities. Regardless it may be difficult with 6.10 and w/o Service Connect but something to look forward to when we get to Epicor 9.
Thanks for the input.
-Todd C.


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Bucek
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:21 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.10] Workcenter Based Costing & Lights Out Operation



Youre probably speaking about a laser or plasma operation Im assuming.
We are using 'use estimates' to split up labor/burden for parts in a
laser nest. You can certainly get an interesting mix in that scenario.
We found the way it splits time to be fairly acceptable. You may want
to research that a bit and test it out. We are also starting to use
service connect more with those types of processes. The nesting
software outputs the nesting information to service connect which then
puts which nest a particular part is on by storing that information
directly on the joboper table and what machine it is on. That way folks
can see if a part has been nested and what nest it is on, it also
recalculates quantity per part based on actual material used in the nest
so when when the operation is complete and material backflushes we avoid
those material variances you get in reality. Next stage is autojob
loggin where an operator types in a nest number and service connect will
grab that and look up all the operations tied to that nest and log the
operator into those jobs (so he doesn't have to stand there for 15
minutes logging into the 30 parts in a nest).

Rob Bucek

Manufacturing Engineer

PH: 715-284-5376 ext 311

FAX: 715-284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg.com/ <http://www.dsmfg.com/> >

(Click the logo to view our site)

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:42 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] [6.10] Workcenter Based Costing & Lights Out
Operation

I have a couple question subjects from my boss that we need some
opinions on.

We are contemplating switching our costing from employee/labor-rate to a
combined Workcenter rate. We would be setting the Shop Employee labor
rate (not used for payroll) to zero and add a standard labor rate into
the work center burden rate. As it is now all employees that typically
work an area have the same labor rate anyway. I believe the objective is
to track work center hours and cost jobs based on hours in a Workcenter
rather than people hours. Hours would still come form people clocking on
to a job operation. This would line up much better with our external
quoting system.

We also are getting into more lights out operation with some automated
equipment and we are wondering how other people are accumulating
production hours for the work center. Especially if multiple jobs are
run...either at the same time (nested parts in material sheet) or if the
machine switches materials and jobs entirely at some point during the
night. Would we use a phantom employee to clock in and then labor edit
the details?

Any insights into these areas would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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Does 6.1 have use estimates capability?



Rob Bucek

Manufacturing Engineer

PH: 715-284-5376 ext 311

FAX: 715-284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

(Click the logo to view our site)



________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:15 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.10] Workcenter Based Costing & Lights Out
Operation



Yes, this is for laser. I'll need to check the nesting software
capabilities. Regardless it may be difficult with 6.10 and w/o Service
Connect but something to look forward to when we get to Epicor 9.
Thanks for the input.
-Todd C.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Rob Bucek
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:21 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.10] Workcenter Based Costing & Lights Out
Operation

Youre probably speaking about a laser or plasma operation Im assuming.
We are using 'use estimates' to split up labor/burden for parts in a
laser nest. You can certainly get an interesting mix in that scenario.
We found the way it splits time to be fairly acceptable. You may want
to research that a bit and test it out. We are also starting to use
service connect more with those types of processes. The nesting
software outputs the nesting information to service connect which then
puts which nest a particular part is on by storing that information
directly on the joboper table and what machine it is on. That way folks
can see if a part has been nested and what nest it is on, it also
recalculates quantity per part based on actual material used in the nest
so when when the operation is complete and material backflushes we avoid
those material variances you get in reality. Next stage is autojob
loggin where an operator types in a nest number and service connect will
grab that and look up all the operations tied to that nest and log the
operator into those jobs (so he doesn't have to stand there for 15
minutes logging into the 30 parts in a nest).

Rob Bucek

Manufacturing Engineer

PH: 715-284-5376 ext 311

FAX: 715-284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg.com/ <http://www.dsmfg.com/> <http://www.dsmfg.com/
<http://www.dsmfg.com/> > >

(Click the logo to view our site)

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:42 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] [6.10] Workcenter Based Costing & Lights Out
Operation

I have a couple question subjects from my boss that we need some
opinions on.

We are contemplating switching our costing from employee/labor-rate to a
combined Workcenter rate. We would be setting the Shop Employee labor
rate (not used for payroll) to zero and add a standard labor rate into
the work center burden rate. As it is now all employees that typically
work an area have the same labor rate anyway. I believe the objective is
to track work center hours and cost jobs based on hours in a Workcenter
rather than people hours. Hours would still come form people clocking on
to a job operation. This would line up much better with our external
quoting system.

We also are getting into more lights out operation with some automated
equipment and we are wondering how other people are accumulating
production hours for the work center. Especially if multiple jobs are
run...either at the same time (nested parts in material sheet) or if the
machine switches materials and jobs entirely at some point during the
night. Would we use a phantom employee to clock in and then labor edit
the details?

Any insights into these areas would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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