There are some plausible..semi acceptable work a rounds, but the ideal
is that the system would in fact allow a different resource to pick up
where one left off.. that would allow infinite flexibility where cross
trained environments are strong.
Rob Bucek
Production Control Manager
PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
Mobile: (715)896-0590
FAX: (715)284-4084
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From:
vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Kaufman
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:55 AM
To:
vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning
and Scheduling in 8.03?
Like I said we are still going through our implementation and have not
tested this, but we need this capability also.
The way it was explained to us is that we would setup teams of
operators.
The system would see a team as one operator that can work from 8AM to
12PM M-F.
The scheduler would schedule the operator team on that job.
I would be very interested to learn if this works as explained.
Scott
From:
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[mailto:
vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of vantagenook
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 7:59 AM
To:
vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning and
Scheduling in 8.03?
To clarify:
We have a machine that is available 24 hours/day, M - F.
We have a first shift machine operator available from 8 - 4 M - F.
We have a second shift machine operator available from 4 - 12 M - F.
We have a job that has 1 operation and takes 16 hours to complete.
We expect that the scheduler would schedule the first shift operator on
that job operation from 8 - 4 and the second shift operator from 4 - 12.
It is actually only scheduling the first shift operator from 8 - 4 and
then letting the machine and second shift operator sit idle and waits
for the first shift operator to get back in the next morning to complete
the job.
We have tried dozens of configurations with Resource Groups, Calendars
and Capabilities... nothing seems to work. Is what we expect to happen
even possible?
Thanks!
--- In
vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "Rob Bucek"
<rbucek@...<mailto:rbucek@...>> wrote:
>
> The way you described that sounds like you've already scheduled the
> floaters before the system did, or, you're changing priorities after
the
> fact and not telling the system you did so. It can only give you
> results based on what it knows, too many people expect it to give them
> the answers they want but in all fairness they don't behave on the
floor
> like the parameters they've assigned, and then wonder why they can't
get
> a schedule that makes sense... If you're floater is assigned to
> continue a job that was started on first shift, but you want him to
work
> in another work center he is cross trained in because you have work
> there.. that's a constraint, unless there is a different employee that
> is defined in the system, you are in fact overloaded, and in that case
> the system is doing what it's supposed to based on what it knows.
> That's where your master scheduler comes in to make a human decision
and
> purposely elect to do one thing over the other. Capabilities does a
> fair job in addressing the cross trained employee environment, try to
> keep it a bit abstract and find the best combination of resources and
> calendars that give you the mix you're looking for. A person can be in
> one place at a time, based on calculated job priority it will assign
him
> one place or the other. I get what you're saying, but the basic
> limitation to the system (and I wish they'd improve this) is that it
> won't schedule a different resource to pick up where another left off
> chronologically to finish the operation to completion. Once it assigns
> the resource, only that resource will continue to work on the job
based
> on its calendar availability until the operation is complete.
>
>
>
> The trick is to model your shop to get the least amount of exceptions
as
> possible, and you'll always get them, you know how manufacturing is..
> Those exceptions are then resolved making human decision, work
overtime,
> work on this operation instead of that one.. One thing you might try
> that could get you a bit closer (but far from perfect) would be to
> change that calendar resource to show the second shift available about
> half the week, consecutively or whatever makes sense, and create a new
> resource in in a group that defines availability to fill in the gaps
> removed on the 1st/2nd shift resource. If you define your capabilities
> right and pick that new resource it would float him there part of the
> week...which..might be better than none of the week... lol
>
>
>
> Rob Bucek
>
> Production Control Manager
>
> PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
>
> Mobile: (715)896-0590
>
> FAX: (715)284-4084
>
> <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
> (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]
On Behalf
> Of Virginia Joseph
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:05 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning
and
> Scheduling in 8.03?
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Rob:
> > In reality it will represent multiple people across different
shifts,
> but the system will schedule it accordingly.. it works well for us.
>
> we currently use calendars to represent the resource groups that may
> have 1st & 2nd shift capacity. However, that capacity is not always
> available and is constrained by the fact our 2nd shift employees
"float"
> and operate different resource groups on different days depending on
> demand.
>
> We need to assign both the 1st shift and 2nd shift employee as a
> required resource for this operation so that vantage will keep track
of
> where each 2nd shift employee is scheduled and keep track of their
> remaining capacity each day and schedule accordingly.
>
> Does anyone specify employees as required resources on the job
> operations in addition to resource group required?
>
> Thanks,
> Virginia Joseph
> Deep Hole Specialists, LLC
> vjoseph@... <mailto:vjoseph%40deephole.com>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Rob
> Bucek" <rbucek@> wrote:
> >
> > Weve been doing just that for a couple years now.. look at how you
> staff
> > your work centers.. and create a calendar for that resource or group
> so
> > that one resource can work continuously on that operation. In
reality
> > it will represent multiple people across different shifts, but the
> > system will schedule it accordingly.. it works well for us.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Bucek
> >
> > Production Control Manager
> >
> > PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
> >
> > Mobile: (715)896-0590
> >
> > FAX: (715)284-4084
> >
> > <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
> > (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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On
> Behalf
> > Of Scott Kaufman
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:02 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced
> Planning
> > and Scheduling in 8.03?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We are going through our implementation now and just went over this
> > subject.
> > From what I can remember, it was suggested that we setup resource
> teams
> > that span multiple shifts.
> >
> > I have three shifts that run an operation. Four people in each shift
> to
> > run that operation.
> > So I need to setup four teams of three people in a 24 hour schedule.
> >
> > I think I understand the concept, but have not tested it yet.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> > Behalf Of cooner_55421
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:44 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning
> and
> > Scheduling in 8.03?
> >
> > I attended a scheduling presentation recently.
> > As I remember, there is an issue with operations and multiple
shifts.
> > ...because each shift was using a different resource.
> > Sorry but I can't remember what the workaround was.
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "vantagenook"
> > <jmcloughlin@<mailto:jmcloughlin@>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Would like to talk with someone who is successfully using
> > scheduling... someone who is able to schedule a job where an
operation
> > can span multiple shifts and be worked on via multiple people, for
> > example. We are finding this to be impossible.
> > >
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