Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning and Scheduling in 8

This is not really possible with the scheduling engine as it is however,
you can approximate the effect by using scheduling blocks.

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Would like to talk with someone who is successfully using scheduling...
someone who is able to schedule a job where an operation can span
multiple shifts and be worked on via multiple people, for example. We
are finding this to be impossible.



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Would like to talk with someone who is successfully using scheduling... someone who is able to schedule a job where an operation can span multiple shifts and be worked on via multiple people, for example. We are finding this to be impossible.
We are going through our implementation now and just went over this subject.
From what I can remember, it was suggested that we setup resource teams that span multiple shifts.

I have three shifts that run an operation. Four people in each shift to run that operation.
So I need to setup four teams of three people in a 24 hour schedule.

I think I understand the concept, but have not tested it yet.

Scott

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Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:44 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning and Scheduling in 8.03?



I attended a scheduling presentation recently.
As I remember, there is an issue with operations and multiple shifts.
...because each shift was using a different resource.
Sorry but I can't remember what the workaround was.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "vantagenook" <jmcloughlin@...<mailto:jmcloughlin@...>> wrote:
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> Would like to talk with someone who is successfully using scheduling... someone who is able to schedule a job where an operation can span multiple shifts and be worked on via multiple people, for example. We are finding this to be impossible.
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Weve been doing just that for a couple years now.. look at how you staff
your work centers.. and create a calendar for that resource or group so
that one resource can work continuously on that operation. In reality
it will represent multiple people across different shifts, but the
system will schedule it accordingly.. it works well for us.



Rob Bucek

Production Control Manager

PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311

Mobile: (715)896-0590

FAX: (715)284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

(Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>





From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Kaufman
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning
and Scheduling in 8.03?





We are going through our implementation now and just went over this
subject.
From what I can remember, it was suggested that we setup resource teams
that span multiple shifts.

I have three shifts that run an operation. Four people in each shift to
run that operation.
So I need to setup four teams of three people in a 24 hour schedule.

I think I understand the concept, but have not tested it yet.

Scott

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Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning and
Scheduling in 8.03?

I attended a scheduling presentation recently.
As I remember, there is an issue with operations and multiple shifts.
...because each shift was using a different resource.
Sorry but I can't remember what the workaround was.

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<jmcloughlin@...<mailto:jmcloughlin@...>> wrote:
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> Would like to talk with someone who is successfully using
scheduling... someone who is able to schedule a job where an operation
can span multiple shifts and be worked on via multiple people, for
example. We are finding this to be impossible.
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We tried for 1.5 years and finally gave up on finite scheduling. We
operate 3 shifts two Monday through Thursday and on weekend. Vantage would
schedule a weekday resource and skip the weekend or vice versa. We tried
many resource variations, but were never successful.







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Scott Kaufman
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:02 PM
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning and
Scheduling in 8.03?





We are going through our implementation now and just went over this subject.
From what I can remember, it was suggested that we setup resource teams that
span multiple shifts.

I have three shifts that run an operation. Four people in each shift to run
that operation.
So I need to setup four teams of three people in a 24 hour schedule.

I think I understand the concept, but have not tested it yet.

Scott

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Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning and
Scheduling in 8.03?

I attended a scheduling presentation recently.
As I remember, there is an issue with operations and multiple shifts.
...because each shift was using a different resource.
Sorry but I can't remember what the workaround was.

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someone who is able to schedule a job where an operation can span multiple
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Uh oh. That's not good news. We have a similar production environment and we're looking to upgrade to 9 in about 2-3 months in anticipation of firing up the scheduling system.


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>Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning and Scheduling in 8.03?
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>We tried for 1.5 years and finally gave up on finite scheduling. We
>operate 3 shifts two Monday through Thursday and on weekend. Vantage would
>schedule a weekday resource and skip the weekend or vice versa. We tried
>many resource variations, but were never successful.
>
>From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>Scott Kaufman
>Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:02 PM
>To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning and
>Scheduling in 8.03?
>
>We are going through our implementation now and just went over this subject.
>From what I can remember, it was suggested that we setup resource teams that
>span multiple shifts.
>
>I have three shifts that run an operation. Four people in each shift to run
>that operation.
>So I need to setup four teams of three people in a 24 hour schedule.
>
>I think I understand the concept, but have not tested it yet.
>
>Scott
>
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>Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning and
>Scheduling in 8.03?
>
>I attended a scheduling presentation recently.
>As I remember, there is an issue with operations and multiple shifts.
>...because each shift was using a different resource.
>Sorry but I can't remember what the workaround was.
>
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>> Would like to talk with someone who is successfully using scheduling...
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>shifts and be worked on via multiple people, for example. We are finding
>this to be impossible.
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Hi Rob:
> In reality it will represent multiple people across different shifts, but the system will schedule it accordingly.. it works well for us.

we currently use calendars to represent the resource groups that may have 1st & 2nd shift capacity. However, that capacity is not always available and is constrained by the fact our 2nd shift employees "float" and operate different resource groups on different days depending on demand.

We need to assign both the 1st shift and 2nd shift employee as a required resource for this operation so that vantage will keep track of where each 2nd shift employee is scheduled and keep track of their remaining capacity each day and schedule accordingly.

Does anyone specify employees as required resources on the job operations in addition to resource group required?

Thanks,
Virginia Joseph
Deep Hole Specialists, LLC
vjoseph@...


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Bucek" <rbucek@...> wrote:
>
> Weve been doing just that for a couple years now.. look at how you staff
> your work centers.. and create a calendar for that resource or group so
> that one resource can work continuously on that operation. In reality
> it will represent multiple people across different shifts, but the
> system will schedule it accordingly.. it works well for us.
>
>
>
> Rob Bucek
>
> Production Control Manager
>
> PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
>
> Mobile: (715)896-0590
>
> FAX: (715)284-4084
>
> <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
> (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Scott Kaufman
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:02 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning
> and Scheduling in 8.03?
>
>
>
>
>
> We are going through our implementation now and just went over this
> subject.
> From what I can remember, it was suggested that we setup resource teams
> that span multiple shifts.
>
> I have three shifts that run an operation. Four people in each shift to
> run that operation.
> So I need to setup four teams of three people in a 24 hour schedule.
>
> I think I understand the concept, but have not tested it yet.
>
> Scott
>
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> Behalf Of cooner_55421
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:44 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning and
> Scheduling in 8.03?
>
> I attended a scheduling presentation recently.
> As I remember, there is an issue with operations and multiple shifts.
> ...because each shift was using a different resource.
> Sorry but I can't remember what the workaround was.
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "vantagenook"
> <jmcloughlin@<mailto:jmcloughlin@>> wrote:
> >
> > Would like to talk with someone who is successfully using
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> can span multiple shifts and be worked on via multiple people, for
> example. We are finding this to be impossible.
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The way you described that sounds like you've already scheduled the
floaters before the system did, or, you're changing priorities after the
fact and not telling the system you did so. It can only give you
results based on what it knows, too many people expect it to give them
the answers they want but in all fairness they don't behave on the floor
like the parameters they've assigned, and then wonder why they can't get
a schedule that makes sense... If you're floater is assigned to
continue a job that was started on first shift, but you want him to work
in another work center he is cross trained in because you have work
there.. that's a constraint, unless there is a different employee that
is defined in the system, you are in fact overloaded, and in that case
the system is doing what it's supposed to based on what it knows.
That's where your master scheduler comes in to make a human decision and
purposely elect to do one thing over the other. Capabilities does a
fair job in addressing the cross trained employee environment, try to
keep it a bit abstract and find the best combination of resources and
calendars that give you the mix you're looking for. A person can be in
one place at a time, based on calculated job priority it will assign him
one place or the other. I get what you're saying, but the basic
limitation to the system (and I wish they'd improve this) is that it
won't schedule a different resource to pick up where another left off
chronologically to finish the operation to completion. Once it assigns
the resource, only that resource will continue to work on the job based
on its calendar availability until the operation is complete.



The trick is to model your shop to get the least amount of exceptions as
possible, and you'll always get them, you know how manufacturing is..
Those exceptions are then resolved making human decision, work overtime,
work on this operation instead of that one.. One thing you might try
that could get you a bit closer (but far from perfect) would be to
change that calendar resource to show the second shift available about
half the week, consecutively or whatever makes sense, and create a new
resource in in a group that defines availability to fill in the gaps
removed on the 1st/2nd shift resource. If you define your capabilities
right and pick that new resource it would float him there part of the
week...which..might be better than none of the week... lol



Rob Bucek

Production Control Manager

PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311

Mobile: (715)896-0590

FAX: (715)284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

(Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>





From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Virginia Joseph
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:05 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning and
Scheduling in 8.03?





Hi Rob:
> In reality it will represent multiple people across different shifts,
but the system will schedule it accordingly.. it works well for us.

we currently use calendars to represent the resource groups that may
have 1st & 2nd shift capacity. However, that capacity is not always
available and is constrained by the fact our 2nd shift employees "float"
and operate different resource groups on different days depending on
demand.

We need to assign both the 1st shift and 2nd shift employee as a
required resource for this operation so that vantage will keep track of
where each 2nd shift employee is scheduled and keep track of their
remaining capacity each day and schedule accordingly.

Does anyone specify employees as required resources on the job
operations in addition to resource group required?

Thanks,
Virginia Joseph
Deep Hole Specialists, LLC
vjoseph@... <mailto:vjoseph%40deephole.com>

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rob
Bucek" <rbucek@...> wrote:
>
> Weve been doing just that for a couple years now.. look at how you
staff
> your work centers.. and create a calendar for that resource or group
so
> that one resource can work continuously on that operation. In reality
> it will represent multiple people across different shifts, but the
> system will schedule it accordingly.. it works well for us.
>
>
>
> Rob Bucek
>
> Production Control Manager
>
> PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
>
> Mobile: (715)896-0590
>
> FAX: (715)284-4084
>
> <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
> (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
> Of Scott Kaufman
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:02 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced
Planning
> and Scheduling in 8.03?
>
>
>
>
>
> We are going through our implementation now and just went over this
> subject.
> From what I can remember, it was suggested that we setup resource
teams
> that span multiple shifts.
>
> I have three shifts that run an operation. Four people in each shift
to
> run that operation.
> So I need to setup four teams of three people in a 24 hour schedule.
>
> I think I understand the concept, but have not tested it yet.
>
> Scott
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning
and
> Scheduling in 8.03?
>
> I attended a scheduling presentation recently.
> As I remember, there is an issue with operations and multiple shifts.
> ...because each shift was using a different resource.
> Sorry but I can't remember what the workaround was.
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "vantagenook"
> <jmcloughlin@<mailto:jmcloughlin@>> wrote:
> >
> > Would like to talk with someone who is successfully using
> scheduling... someone who is able to schedule a job where an operation
> can span multiple shifts and be worked on via multiple people, for
> example. We are finding this to be impossible.
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To clarify:

We have a machine that is available 24 hours/day, M - F.
We have a first shift machine operator available from 8 - 4 M - F.
We have a second shift machine operator available from 4 - 12 M - F.
We have a job that has 1 operation and takes 16 hours to complete.
We expect that the scheduler would schedule the first shift operator on that job operation from 8 - 4 and the second shift operator from 4 - 12. It is actually only scheduling the first shift operator from 8 - 4 and then letting the machine and second shift operator sit idle and waits for the first shift operator to get back in the next morning to complete the job.

We have tried dozens of configurations with Resource Groups, Calendars and Capabilities... nothing seems to work. Is what we expect to happen even possible?

Thanks!


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Bucek" <rbucek@...> wrote:
>
> The way you described that sounds like you've already scheduled the
> floaters before the system did, or, you're changing priorities after the
> fact and not telling the system you did so. It can only give you
> results based on what it knows, too many people expect it to give them
> the answers they want but in all fairness they don't behave on the floor
> like the parameters they've assigned, and then wonder why they can't get
> a schedule that makes sense... If you're floater is assigned to
> continue a job that was started on first shift, but you want him to work
> in another work center he is cross trained in because you have work
> there.. that's a constraint, unless there is a different employee that
> is defined in the system, you are in fact overloaded, and in that case
> the system is doing what it's supposed to based on what it knows.
> That's where your master scheduler comes in to make a human decision and
> purposely elect to do one thing over the other. Capabilities does a
> fair job in addressing the cross trained employee environment, try to
> keep it a bit abstract and find the best combination of resources and
> calendars that give you the mix you're looking for. A person can be in
> one place at a time, based on calculated job priority it will assign him
> one place or the other. I get what you're saying, but the basic
> limitation to the system (and I wish they'd improve this) is that it
> won't schedule a different resource to pick up where another left off
> chronologically to finish the operation to completion. Once it assigns
> the resource, only that resource will continue to work on the job based
> on its calendar availability until the operation is complete.
>
>
>
> The trick is to model your shop to get the least amount of exceptions as
> possible, and you'll always get them, you know how manufacturing is..
> Those exceptions are then resolved making human decision, work overtime,
> work on this operation instead of that one.. One thing you might try
> that could get you a bit closer (but far from perfect) would be to
> change that calendar resource to show the second shift available about
> half the week, consecutively or whatever makes sense, and create a new
> resource in in a group that defines availability to fill in the gaps
> removed on the 1st/2nd shift resource. If you define your capabilities
> right and pick that new resource it would float him there part of the
> week...which..might be better than none of the week... lol
>
>
>
> Rob Bucek
>
> Production Control Manager
>
> PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
>
> Mobile: (715)896-0590
>
> FAX: (715)284-4084
>
> <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
> (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Virginia Joseph
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:05 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning and
> Scheduling in 8.03?
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Rob:
> > In reality it will represent multiple people across different shifts,
> but the system will schedule it accordingly.. it works well for us.
>
> we currently use calendars to represent the resource groups that may
> have 1st & 2nd shift capacity. However, that capacity is not always
> available and is constrained by the fact our 2nd shift employees "float"
> and operate different resource groups on different days depending on
> demand.
>
> We need to assign both the 1st shift and 2nd shift employee as a
> required resource for this operation so that vantage will keep track of
> where each 2nd shift employee is scheduled and keep track of their
> remaining capacity each day and schedule accordingly.
>
> Does anyone specify employees as required resources on the job
> operations in addition to resource group required?
>
> Thanks,
> Virginia Joseph
> Deep Hole Specialists, LLC
> vjoseph@... <mailto:vjoseph%40deephole.com>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rob
> Bucek" <rbucek@> wrote:
> >
> > Weve been doing just that for a couple years now.. look at how you
> staff
> > your work centers.. and create a calendar for that resource or group
> so
> > that one resource can work continuously on that operation. In reality
> > it will represent multiple people across different shifts, but the
> > system will schedule it accordingly.. it works well for us.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Bucek
> >
> > Production Control Manager
> >
> > PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
> >
> > Mobile: (715)896-0590
> >
> > FAX: (715)284-4084
> >
> > <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
> > (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> > Of Scott Kaufman
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:02 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced
> Planning
> > and Scheduling in 8.03?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We are going through our implementation now and just went over this
> > subject.
> > From what I can remember, it was suggested that we setup resource
> teams
> > that span multiple shifts.
> >
> > I have three shifts that run an operation. Four people in each shift
> to
> > run that operation.
> > So I need to setup four teams of three people in a 24 hour schedule.
> >
> > I think I understand the concept, but have not tested it yet.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> > Behalf Of cooner_55421
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:44 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning
> and
> > Scheduling in 8.03?
> >
> > I attended a scheduling presentation recently.
> > As I remember, there is an issue with operations and multiple shifts.
> > ...because each shift was using a different resource.
> > Sorry but I can't remember what the workaround was.
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "vantagenook"
> > <jmcloughlin@<mailto:jmcloughlin@>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Would like to talk with someone who is successfully using
> > scheduling... someone who is able to schedule a job where an operation
> > can span multiple shifts and be worked on via multiple people, for
> > example. We are finding this to be impossible.
> > >
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Rob thanks...

"I get what you're saying, but the basic limitation to the system (and I wish they'd improve this) is that it won't schedule a different resource to pick up where another left off chronologically to finish the operation to completion. Once it assigns the resource, only that resource will continue to work on the job based on its calendar availability until the operation is complete."

I guess that answers the question...

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "vantagenook" <jmcloughlin@...> wrote:
>
> To clarify:
>
> We have a machine that is available 24 hours/day, M - F.
> We have a first shift machine operator available from 8 - 4 M - F.
> We have a second shift machine operator available from 4 - 12 M - F.
> We have a job that has 1 operation and takes 16 hours to complete.
> We expect that the scheduler would schedule the first shift operator on that job operation from 8 - 4 and the second shift operator from 4 - 12. It is actually only scheduling the first shift operator from 8 - 4 and then letting the machine and second shift operator sit idle and waits for the first shift operator to get back in the next morning to complete the job.
>
> We have tried dozens of configurations with Resource Groups, Calendars and Capabilities... nothing seems to work. Is what we expect to happen even possible?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Bucek" <rbucek@> wrote:
> >
> > The way you described that sounds like you've already scheduled the
> > floaters before the system did, or, you're changing priorities after the
> > fact and not telling the system you did so. It can only give you
> > results based on what it knows, too many people expect it to give them
> > the answers they want but in all fairness they don't behave on the floor
> > like the parameters they've assigned, and then wonder why they can't get
> > a schedule that makes sense... If you're floater is assigned to
> > continue a job that was started on first shift, but you want him to work
> > in another work center he is cross trained in because you have work
> > there.. that's a constraint, unless there is a different employee that
> > is defined in the system, you are in fact overloaded, and in that case
> > the system is doing what it's supposed to based on what it knows.
> > That's where your master scheduler comes in to make a human decision and
> > purposely elect to do one thing over the other. Capabilities does a
> > fair job in addressing the cross trained employee environment, try to
> > keep it a bit abstract and find the best combination of resources and
> > calendars that give you the mix you're looking for. A person can be in
> > one place at a time, based on calculated job priority it will assign him
> > one place or the other. I get what you're saying, but the basic
> > limitation to the system (and I wish they'd improve this) is that it
> > won't schedule a different resource to pick up where another left off
> > chronologically to finish the operation to completion. Once it assigns
> > the resource, only that resource will continue to work on the job based
> > on its calendar availability until the operation is complete.
> >
> >
> >
> > The trick is to model your shop to get the least amount of exceptions as
> > possible, and you'll always get them, you know how manufacturing is..
> > Those exceptions are then resolved making human decision, work overtime,
> > work on this operation instead of that one.. One thing you might try
> > that could get you a bit closer (but far from perfect) would be to
> > change that calendar resource to show the second shift available about
> > half the week, consecutively or whatever makes sense, and create a new
> > resource in in a group that defines availability to fill in the gaps
> > removed on the 1st/2nd shift resource. If you define your capabilities
> > right and pick that new resource it would float him there part of the
> > week...which..might be better than none of the week... lol
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Bucek
> >
> > Production Control Manager
> >
> > PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
> >
> > Mobile: (715)896-0590
> >
> > FAX: (715)284-4084
> >
> > <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
> > (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of Virginia Joseph
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:05 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning and
> > Scheduling in 8.03?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Rob:
> > > In reality it will represent multiple people across different shifts,
> > but the system will schedule it accordingly.. it works well for us.
> >
> > we currently use calendars to represent the resource groups that may
> > have 1st & 2nd shift capacity. However, that capacity is not always
> > available and is constrained by the fact our 2nd shift employees "float"
> > and operate different resource groups on different days depending on
> > demand.
> >
> > We need to assign both the 1st shift and 2nd shift employee as a
> > required resource for this operation so that vantage will keep track of
> > where each 2nd shift employee is scheduled and keep track of their
> > remaining capacity each day and schedule accordingly.
> >
> > Does anyone specify employees as required resources on the job
> > operations in addition to resource group required?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Virginia Joseph
> > Deep Hole Specialists, LLC
> > vjoseph@ <mailto:vjoseph%40deephole.com>
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rob
> > Bucek" <rbucek@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Weve been doing just that for a couple years now.. look at how you
> > staff
> > > your work centers.. and create a calendar for that resource or group
> > so
> > > that one resource can work continuously on that operation. In reality
> > > it will represent multiple people across different shifts, but the
> > > system will schedule it accordingly.. it works well for us.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rob Bucek
> > >
> > > Production Control Manager
> > >
> > > PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
> > >
> > > Mobile: (715)896-0590
> > >
> > > FAX: (715)284-4084
> > >
> > > <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> > >
> > > (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Scott Kaufman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:02 PM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced
> > Planning
> > > and Scheduling in 8.03?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We are going through our implementation now and just went over this
> > > subject.
> > > From what I can remember, it was suggested that we setup resource
> > teams
> > > that span multiple shifts.
> > >
> > > I have three shifts that run an operation. Four people in each shift
> > to
> > > run that operation.
> > > So I need to setup four teams of three people in a 24 hour schedule.
> > >
> > > I think I understand the concept, but have not tested it yet.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> > > Behalf Of cooner_55421
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:44 AM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning
> > and
> > > Scheduling in 8.03?
> > >
> > > I attended a scheduling presentation recently.
> > > As I remember, there is an issue with operations and multiple shifts.
> > > ...because each shift was using a different resource.
> > > Sorry but I can't remember what the workaround was.
> > >
> > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "vantagenook"
> > > <jmcloughlin@<mailto:jmcloughlin@>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Would like to talk with someone who is successfully using
> > > scheduling... someone who is able to schedule a job where an operation
> > > can span multiple shifts and be worked on via multiple people, for
> > > example. We are finding this to be impossible.
> > > >
> > >
> > > <html>
> > > <BR>
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>
Like I said we are still going through our implementation and have not tested this, but we need this capability also.

The way it was explained to us is that we would setup teams of operators.
The system would see a team as one operator that can work from 8AM to 12PM M-F.
The scheduler would schedule the operator team on that job.

I would be very interested to learn if this works as explained.

Scott

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of vantagenook
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 7:59 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning and Scheduling in 8.03?



To clarify:

We have a machine that is available 24 hours/day, M - F.
We have a first shift machine operator available from 8 - 4 M - F.
We have a second shift machine operator available from 4 - 12 M - F.
We have a job that has 1 operation and takes 16 hours to complete.
We expect that the scheduler would schedule the first shift operator on that job operation from 8 - 4 and the second shift operator from 4 - 12. It is actually only scheduling the first shift operator from 8 - 4 and then letting the machine and second shift operator sit idle and waits for the first shift operator to get back in the next morning to complete the job.

We have tried dozens of configurations with Resource Groups, Calendars and Capabilities... nothing seems to work. Is what we expect to happen even possible?

Thanks!

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "Rob Bucek" <rbucek@...<mailto:rbucek@...>> wrote:
>
> The way you described that sounds like you've already scheduled the
> floaters before the system did, or, you're changing priorities after the
> fact and not telling the system you did so. It can only give you
> results based on what it knows, too many people expect it to give them
> the answers they want but in all fairness they don't behave on the floor
> like the parameters they've assigned, and then wonder why they can't get
> a schedule that makes sense... If you're floater is assigned to
> continue a job that was started on first shift, but you want him to work
> in another work center he is cross trained in because you have work
> there.. that's a constraint, unless there is a different employee that
> is defined in the system, you are in fact overloaded, and in that case
> the system is doing what it's supposed to based on what it knows.
> That's where your master scheduler comes in to make a human decision and
> purposely elect to do one thing over the other. Capabilities does a
> fair job in addressing the cross trained employee environment, try to
> keep it a bit abstract and find the best combination of resources and
> calendars that give you the mix you're looking for. A person can be in
> one place at a time, based on calculated job priority it will assign him
> one place or the other. I get what you're saying, but the basic
> limitation to the system (and I wish they'd improve this) is that it
> won't schedule a different resource to pick up where another left off
> chronologically to finish the operation to completion. Once it assigns
> the resource, only that resource will continue to work on the job based
> on its calendar availability until the operation is complete.
>
>
>
> The trick is to model your shop to get the least amount of exceptions as
> possible, and you'll always get them, you know how manufacturing is..
> Those exceptions are then resolved making human decision, work overtime,
> work on this operation instead of that one.. One thing you might try
> that could get you a bit closer (but far from perfect) would be to
> change that calendar resource to show the second shift available about
> half the week, consecutively or whatever makes sense, and create a new
> resource in in a group that defines availability to fill in the gaps
> removed on the 1st/2nd shift resource. If you define your capabilities
> right and pick that new resource it would float him there part of the
> week...which..might be better than none of the week... lol
>
>
>
> Rob Bucek
>
> Production Control Manager
>
> PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
>
> Mobile: (715)896-0590
>
> FAX: (715)284-4084
>
> <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
> (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> Of Virginia Joseph
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:05 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning and
> Scheduling in 8.03?
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Rob:
> > In reality it will represent multiple people across different shifts,
> but the system will schedule it accordingly.. it works well for us.
>
> we currently use calendars to represent the resource groups that may
> have 1st & 2nd shift capacity. However, that capacity is not always
> available and is constrained by the fact our 2nd shift employees "float"
> and operate different resource groups on different days depending on
> demand.
>
> We need to assign both the 1st shift and 2nd shift employee as a
> required resource for this operation so that vantage will keep track of
> where each 2nd shift employee is scheduled and keep track of their
> remaining capacity each day and schedule accordingly.
>
> Does anyone specify employees as required resources on the job
> operations in addition to resource group required?
>
> Thanks,
> Virginia Joseph
> Deep Hole Specialists, LLC
> vjoseph@... <mailto:vjoseph%40deephole.com>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rob
> Bucek" <rbucek@> wrote:
> >
> > Weve been doing just that for a couple years now.. look at how you
> staff
> > your work centers.. and create a calendar for that resource or group
> so
> > that one resource can work continuously on that operation. In reality
> > it will represent multiple people across different shifts, but the
> > system will schedule it accordingly.. it works well for us.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Bucek
> >
> > Production Control Manager
> >
> > PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
> >
> > Mobile: (715)896-0590
> >
> > FAX: (715)284-4084
> >
> > <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
> > (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> > Of Scott Kaufman
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:02 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced
> Planning
> > and Scheduling in 8.03?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We are going through our implementation now and just went over this
> > subject.
> > From what I can remember, it was suggested that we setup resource
> teams
> > that span multiple shifts.
> >
> > I have three shifts that run an operation. Four people in each shift
> to
> > run that operation.
> > So I need to setup four teams of three people in a 24 hour schedule.
> >
> > I think I understand the concept, but have not tested it yet.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> > Behalf Of cooner_55421
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:44 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning
> and
> > Scheduling in 8.03?
> >
> > I attended a scheduling presentation recently.
> > As I remember, there is an issue with operations and multiple shifts.
> > ...because each shift was using a different resource.
> > Sorry but I can't remember what the workaround was.
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "vantagenook"
> > <jmcloughlin@<mailto:jmcloughlin@>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Would like to talk with someone who is successfully using
> > scheduling... someone who is able to schedule a job where an operation
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There are some plausible..semi acceptable work a rounds, but the ideal
is that the system would in fact allow a different resource to pick up
where one left off.. that would allow infinite flexibility where cross
trained environments are strong.





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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Kaufman
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning
and Scheduling in 8.03?





Like I said we are still going through our implementation and have not
tested this, but we need this capability also.

The way it was explained to us is that we would setup teams of
operators.
The system would see a team as one operator that can work from 8AM to
12PM M-F.
The scheduler would schedule the operator team on that job.

I would be very interested to learn if this works as explained.

Scott

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of vantagenook
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 7:59 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning and
Scheduling in 8.03?

To clarify:

We have a machine that is available 24 hours/day, M - F.
We have a first shift machine operator available from 8 - 4 M - F.
We have a second shift machine operator available from 4 - 12 M - F.
We have a job that has 1 operation and takes 16 hours to complete.
We expect that the scheduler would schedule the first shift operator on
that job operation from 8 - 4 and the second shift operator from 4 - 12.
It is actually only scheduling the first shift operator from 8 - 4 and
then letting the machine and second shift operator sit idle and waits
for the first shift operator to get back in the next morning to complete
the job.

We have tried dozens of configurations with Resource Groups, Calendars
and Capabilities... nothing seems to work. Is what we expect to happen
even possible?

Thanks!

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "Rob Bucek"
<rbucek@...<mailto:rbucek@...>> wrote:
>
> The way you described that sounds like you've already scheduled the
> floaters before the system did, or, you're changing priorities after
the
> fact and not telling the system you did so. It can only give you
> results based on what it knows, too many people expect it to give them
> the answers they want but in all fairness they don't behave on the
floor
> like the parameters they've assigned, and then wonder why they can't
get
> a schedule that makes sense... If you're floater is assigned to
> continue a job that was started on first shift, but you want him to
work
> in another work center he is cross trained in because you have work
> there.. that's a constraint, unless there is a different employee that
> is defined in the system, you are in fact overloaded, and in that case
> the system is doing what it's supposed to based on what it knows.
> That's where your master scheduler comes in to make a human decision
and
> purposely elect to do one thing over the other. Capabilities does a
> fair job in addressing the cross trained employee environment, try to
> keep it a bit abstract and find the best combination of resources and
> calendars that give you the mix you're looking for. A person can be in
> one place at a time, based on calculated job priority it will assign
him
> one place or the other. I get what you're saying, but the basic
> limitation to the system (and I wish they'd improve this) is that it
> won't schedule a different resource to pick up where another left off
> chronologically to finish the operation to completion. Once it assigns
> the resource, only that resource will continue to work on the job
based
> on its calendar availability until the operation is complete.
>
>
>
> The trick is to model your shop to get the least amount of exceptions
as
> possible, and you'll always get them, you know how manufacturing is..
> Those exceptions are then resolved making human decision, work
overtime,
> work on this operation instead of that one.. One thing you might try
> that could get you a bit closer (but far from perfect) would be to
> change that calendar resource to show the second shift available about
> half the week, consecutively or whatever makes sense, and create a new
> resource in in a group that defines availability to fill in the gaps
> removed on the 1st/2nd shift resource. If you define your capabilities
> right and pick that new resource it would float him there part of the
> week...which..might be better than none of the week... lol
>
>
>
> Rob Bucek
>
> Production Control Manager
>
> PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
>
> Mobile: (715)896-0590
>
> FAX: (715)284-4084
>
> <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
> (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]
On Behalf
> Of Virginia Joseph
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:05 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning
and
> Scheduling in 8.03?
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Rob:
> > In reality it will represent multiple people across different
shifts,
> but the system will schedule it accordingly.. it works well for us.
>
> we currently use calendars to represent the resource groups that may
> have 1st & 2nd shift capacity. However, that capacity is not always
> available and is constrained by the fact our 2nd shift employees
"float"
> and operate different resource groups on different days depending on
> demand.
>
> We need to assign both the 1st shift and 2nd shift employee as a
> required resource for this operation so that vantage will keep track
of
> where each 2nd shift employee is scheduled and keep track of their
> remaining capacity each day and schedule accordingly.
>
> Does anyone specify employees as required resources on the job
> operations in addition to resource group required?
>
> Thanks,
> Virginia Joseph
> Deep Hole Specialists, LLC
> vjoseph@... <mailto:vjoseph%40deephole.com>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Rob
> Bucek" <rbucek@> wrote:
> >
> > Weve been doing just that for a couple years now.. look at how you
> staff
> > your work centers.. and create a calendar for that resource or group
> so
> > that one resource can work continuously on that operation. In
reality
> > it will represent multiple people across different shifts, but the
> > system will schedule it accordingly.. it works well for us.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Bucek
> >
> > Production Control Manager
> >
> > PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
> >
> > Mobile: (715)896-0590
> >
> > FAX: (715)284-4084
> >
> > <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
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> >
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On
> Behalf
> > Of Scott Kaufman
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:02 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced
> Planning
> > and Scheduling in 8.03?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We are going through our implementation now and just went over this
> > subject.
> > From what I can remember, it was suggested that we setup resource
> teams
> > that span multiple shifts.
> >
> > I have three shifts that run an operation. Four people in each shift
> to
> > run that operation.
> > So I need to setup four teams of three people in a 24 hour schedule.
> >
> > I think I understand the concept, but have not tested it yet.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > Behalf Of cooner_55421
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:44 AM
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> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning
> and
> > Scheduling in 8.03?
> >
> > I attended a scheduling presentation recently.
> > As I remember, there is an issue with operations and multiple
shifts.
> > ...because each shift was using a different resource.
> > Sorry but I can't remember what the workaround was.
> >
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> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "vantagenook"
> > <jmcloughlin@<mailto:jmcloughlin@>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Would like to talk with someone who is successfully using
> > scheduling... someone who is able to schedule a job where an
operation
> > can span multiple shifts and be worked on via multiple people, for
> > example. We are finding this to be impossible.
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Scott,

We've looked at that scenario. What you would actually need to do is set up a single (1) resource that represents a team of three people, i.e. - Operators_Tom_Dick_Harry - not a great solution. We've found no great solution thus far.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Scott Kaufman <skaufman@...> wrote:
>
> We are going through our implementation now and just went over this subject.
> From what I can remember, it was suggested that we setup resource teams that span multiple shifts.
>
> I have three shifts that run an operation. Four people in each shift to run that operation.
> So I need to setup four teams of three people in a 24 hour schedule.
>
> I think I understand the concept, but have not tested it yet.
>
> Scott
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cooner_55421
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:44 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Anybody successfully using Advanced Planning and Scheduling in 8.03?
>
>
>
> I attended a scheduling presentation recently.
> As I remember, there is an issue with operations and multiple shifts.
> ...because each shift was using a different resource.
> Sorry but I can't remember what the workaround was.
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "vantagenook" <jmcloughlin@<mailto:jmcloughlin@>> wrote:
> >
> > Would like to talk with someone who is successfully using scheduling... someone who is able to schedule a job where an operation can span multiple shifts and be worked on via multiple people, for example. We are finding this to be impossible.
> >
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