Thanks for the tip kersten. I'll give it a try.
Kersten MacLennan <kmaclennan@...> wrote: Assuming that you are backflushing from the operation and not at job
closing, you can change the material relief process if you disassociate
the material with the operation. I have found that even though the
system defaults to the first operation if one is not specified, the
backflush does not occur unless it is specified. I have not tried this
using the job closing backflush process.
Kersten MacLennan
IT/ERP Analyst
Semrock, Inc.
3625 Buffalo Rd.,
Suite 6
Rochester, NY 14624
585-594-7009
585-594-7095 fax
kmaclennan@...
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From: Robert Brown [mailto:robertb_versa@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing question
Scenario 1: We keep set-to-backflush floor stock (about 900 high
activity SKUs) in our various product assembly lines with the
appropriate plant/warehouse/bin locations set up as the backflush point.
We manage this inventory on a 2 bin visual kan-ban system replenished
from our controlled stockroom/warehouse locations (as our current legacy
system provides no kan-ban support).
The bins are sized to handle a typical 1/2 month's usage each (so we
have about 1 month's inventory on the floor for each of these SKUs).
We are a high velocity/short lead time (70+% orders ship in 5 days or
less) assemble to order manufacturer and our average assembly job qty's
are 1-3 pc's (95% of the 170-200 assembly jobs processed daily).
Occasionally we win extremely large quantity project orders where a
single Job's requirements exceed the 2-bin total available qty (often
several times over).
We have found it more efficient simply to manually issue the material to
these very large Jobs rather than trudge back and forth replenishing
bins several times in a single day (bins intended to be replenished
every 2-4 weeks typically).
Our legacy system 'understands' material has already been issued and
doesn't blindly backflush the full original requrement quantities a
second time (that would result in an over-issue).
Vantage is the 8th manufacturing system I've used in my career and the
ONLY one that hasn't incorporated the very simple code/logic to not
blindly over issue to a Job via well thought out backflushing process
code.
The seven other systems I've used all only backflushed any remaining
un-issued balance.
Scenario 2: In the real world, all customers and jobs are not always
treated equally. While we have a 98.5%+ on-time to promised ship date
record for the last 7 years, typical 'fairplay' 'first come first serve'
rules on tight supply inventory (due to either a surge in demand, a
quality issue, or a supply chain replenishment issue) do occasionaly get
over-ridden by customer service to minimize the impact on our customers
overall.
(Customer A might have placed their order first but may not really need
the goods before Customer B - who just placed a process plant shutdown
prevention order).
In our machine shop (which produces about 40% of our components), it is
relatively easy to adjust material requirement/OP start dates on the
200-300 WIP jobs active so that the Jobs deemed most critical actually
are scheduled to get tight supply material before other jobs.
In our assembly area, we have 600-900 Jobs released and in WIP. Many
SKUs have literally 150+ Jobs requiring them (by schedule) on every
single day. Being able to manually issue & physically kit critical short
supply materials to specific Jobs ensures those critical Jobs are the
ones that get done before others. The amount of production control time
and effort needed to resequence hundreds of Jobs just so OPs are
resequenced to meet compromised Job priorities is massive compared to
simply being able to manually issue and kit specific Jobs.
We will adapt to it. We will likely simply pre-transfer sufficient
inventory to cover the very large Job requirements to the backflush
points.
The critical near stock out SKU management issue WILL be a problem for
us. I see much time wasting shoe leather burned and 'red penned'
dispatches and travelers in our future if/until Vantage decides to beef
up their backflush process code.
Charlie Smith <CSmith@...
<mailto:CSmith%40vistaconsultant.com> > wrote:
Why would you want it to act differently?. If you are back flushing
materials, you should not be issuing them. If adjustments need to be
made because of an incorrect material standard, then an adjustment is
required (both for the job costs and the inventory levels). But you
can't tell the system to backflush and issue materials as well. You can
do one or the other with the materials, not both.
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Robert Brown
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Backflushing question
On 8.03.3... if all items are backflush parts, they will backflush all
50 even if you manually pre-issued 10 (making 60 issued total for that
part).
Hoping this has been addressed on 8.03.4...
Jasper Recto <jrecto@... <mailto:jrecto%40locper.com>
<mailto:jrecto%40locper.com> > wrote:
Lets say we have a job for 50pcs that's setup to backflush. When the job
started, 10 pcs were issued to the job. When the job ended, 50 pcs were
completed. Will the job only backflush the balance of 40 pcs or will it
backflush 50pcs and make the total issued quantity 60pcs?
Thanks,
Jasper
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Kersten MacLennan <kmaclennan@...> wrote: Assuming that you are backflushing from the operation and not at job
closing, you can change the material relief process if you disassociate
the material with the operation. I have found that even though the
system defaults to the first operation if one is not specified, the
backflush does not occur unless it is specified. I have not tried this
using the job closing backflush process.
Kersten MacLennan
IT/ERP Analyst
Semrock, Inc.
3625 Buffalo Rd.,
Suite 6
Rochester, NY 14624
585-594-7009
585-594-7095 fax
kmaclennan@...
The Standard in Optical Filters for Biotech & Analytical Instrumentation
More than 100,000 Ion Beam Sputtered filters delivered - extensive
inventory now!
The information contained in this message and any attachments may be
privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. If the reader
of this message is not the intended recipient, or any agent responsible
for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby
notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this
communication may be unlawful and therefore strictly prohibited. If you
received this message in error, please reply to the message and delete
it. Thank you
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From: Robert Brown [mailto:robertb_versa@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing question
Scenario 1: We keep set-to-backflush floor stock (about 900 high
activity SKUs) in our various product assembly lines with the
appropriate plant/warehouse/bin locations set up as the backflush point.
We manage this inventory on a 2 bin visual kan-ban system replenished
from our controlled stockroom/warehouse locations (as our current legacy
system provides no kan-ban support).
The bins are sized to handle a typical 1/2 month's usage each (so we
have about 1 month's inventory on the floor for each of these SKUs).
We are a high velocity/short lead time (70+% orders ship in 5 days or
less) assemble to order manufacturer and our average assembly job qty's
are 1-3 pc's (95% of the 170-200 assembly jobs processed daily).
Occasionally we win extremely large quantity project orders where a
single Job's requirements exceed the 2-bin total available qty (often
several times over).
We have found it more efficient simply to manually issue the material to
these very large Jobs rather than trudge back and forth replenishing
bins several times in a single day (bins intended to be replenished
every 2-4 weeks typically).
Our legacy system 'understands' material has already been issued and
doesn't blindly backflush the full original requrement quantities a
second time (that would result in an over-issue).
Vantage is the 8th manufacturing system I've used in my career and the
ONLY one that hasn't incorporated the very simple code/logic to not
blindly over issue to a Job via well thought out backflushing process
code.
The seven other systems I've used all only backflushed any remaining
un-issued balance.
Scenario 2: In the real world, all customers and jobs are not always
treated equally. While we have a 98.5%+ on-time to promised ship date
record for the last 7 years, typical 'fairplay' 'first come first serve'
rules on tight supply inventory (due to either a surge in demand, a
quality issue, or a supply chain replenishment issue) do occasionaly get
over-ridden by customer service to minimize the impact on our customers
overall.
(Customer A might have placed their order first but may not really need
the goods before Customer B - who just placed a process plant shutdown
prevention order).
In our machine shop (which produces about 40% of our components), it is
relatively easy to adjust material requirement/OP start dates on the
200-300 WIP jobs active so that the Jobs deemed most critical actually
are scheduled to get tight supply material before other jobs.
In our assembly area, we have 600-900 Jobs released and in WIP. Many
SKUs have literally 150+ Jobs requiring them (by schedule) on every
single day. Being able to manually issue & physically kit critical short
supply materials to specific Jobs ensures those critical Jobs are the
ones that get done before others. The amount of production control time
and effort needed to resequence hundreds of Jobs just so OPs are
resequenced to meet compromised Job priorities is massive compared to
simply being able to manually issue and kit specific Jobs.
We will adapt to it. We will likely simply pre-transfer sufficient
inventory to cover the very large Job requirements to the backflush
points.
The critical near stock out SKU management issue WILL be a problem for
us. I see much time wasting shoe leather burned and 'red penned'
dispatches and travelers in our future if/until Vantage decides to beef
up their backflush process code.
Charlie Smith <CSmith@...
<mailto:CSmith%40vistaconsultant.com> > wrote:
Why would you want it to act differently?. If you are back flushing
materials, you should not be issuing them. If adjustments need to be
made because of an incorrect material standard, then an adjustment is
required (both for the job costs and the inventory levels). But you
can't tell the system to backflush and issue materials as well. You can
do one or the other with the materials, not both.
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Robert Brown
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Backflushing question
On 8.03.3... if all items are backflush parts, they will backflush all
50 even if you manually pre-issued 10 (making 60 issued total for that
part).
Hoping this has been addressed on 8.03.4...
Jasper Recto <jrecto@... <mailto:jrecto%40locper.com>
<mailto:jrecto%40locper.com> > wrote:
Lets say we have a job for 50pcs that's setup to backflush. When the job
started, 10 pcs were issued to the job. When the job ended, 50 pcs were
completed. Will the job only backflush the balance of 40 pcs or will it
backflush 50pcs and make the total issued quantity 60pcs?
Thanks,
Jasper
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