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We've seen this same behavior for almost 10 years from Epicor. We chose
to end the misery by ending maintenance and milking the version we were
using for as long as we can. There's no gain in playing the upgrade
game. From a cost/benefit scenario it just doesn't pencil out. Get as
many years out of the system as you can and reevaluate when the time
comes. Think how many new systems you could purchase over the years if
you still held on to those maintenance costs. You just don't get your
money's worth. The promise of workable upgrades and improvements are
nothing more than a bait and switch scenario.

just my 2 cents.






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Is there a way to make a bin inactive in V6.1 or 8.03?



Toby Boogerd
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I do not believe you can as long as there is inventory in it.
Carey


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Hi,

We're in the process of implementing Vantage and, after having set up
the warehouses and Bins and running some tests, we're not sure that the
system behaves in a way that fits our needs. In our company, 1 bin = 1
pallet location and each pallet contains a specific product in a
specific quantity, therefore each Bin can only hold one pallet at a
time. From what we've seen in Vantage, a Bin can hold as many items as
you want to throw in there.

What we want to do is receive some stock (either from a PO or from a
Job to inventory), assign it to a Bin, then if we try to book anything
else into that Bin before the current stock is issued/shipped we get a
warning message or, better still, the Bins are selectable from a drop-
down list and those that are not vacant simply do not appear.

Does anyone know if any of this is possible? Or, are there any other
suggestions out there...?

Thanks in advance
5
Matt,



You can create a fairly simple BPM that check the bin for a quantity greater
than 0 and fires off a warning message.



Regards,



Michael



Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
<http://www.aspacia.com/> http://www.aspacia.com/




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philpott.matt
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 7:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Bins



Hi,

We're in the process of implementing Vantage and, after having set up
the warehouses and Bins and running some tests, we're not sure that the
system behaves in a way that fits our needs. In our company, 1 bin = 1
pallet location and each pallet contains a specific product in a
specific quantity, therefore each Bin can only hold one pallet at a
time. From what we've seen in Vantage, a Bin can hold as many items as
you want to throw in there.

What we want to do is receive some stock (either from a PO or from a
Job to inventory), assign it to a Bin, then if we try to book anything
else into that Bin before the current stock is issued/shipped we get a
warning message or, better still, the Bins are selectable from a drop-
down list and those that are not vacant simply do not appear.

Does anyone know if any of this is possible? Or, are there any other
suggestions out there...?

Thanks in advance





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Bin based KanBans may be your answer. The can be stock/bin to stock/bin, fab/assy to stk/bin or vendor PO to stock bin.

A max qty can be specified for kanbans and you will receive real time warnings in kan ban monitor if you exceed a max.

Rob Brown

"philpott.matt" <philpott.matt@...> wrote:
Hi,

We're in the process of implementing Vantage and, after having set up
the warehouses and Bins and running some tests, we're not sure that the
system behaves in a way that fits our needs. In our company, 1 bin = 1
pallet location and each pallet contains a specific product in a
specific quantity, therefore each Bin can only hold one pallet at a
time. From what we've seen in Vantage, a Bin can hold as many items as
you want to throw in there.

What we want to do is receive some stock (either from a PO or from a
Job to inventory), assign it to a Bin, then if we try to book anything
else into that Bin before the current stock is issued/shipped we get a
warning message or, better still, the Bins are selectable from a drop-
down list and those that are not vacant simply do not appear.

Does anyone know if any of this is possible? Or, are there any other
suggestions out there...?

Thanks in advance






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Hopefully, one of these days (maybe Epicor 9.0) they will include FIFO
capability.



Buy this I mean Inventory FIFO, not Financial/Costing FIFO.



Matt Sweny

Purchasing Manager

Modern Industries Inc.

814-455-8061

matts@...

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Brown
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:49 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Bins



Bin based KanBans may be your answer. The can be stock/bin to stock/bin,
fab/assy to stk/bin or vendor PO to stock bin.

A max qty can be specified for kanbans and you will receive real time
warnings in kan ban monitor if you exceed a max.

Rob Brown

"philpott.matt" <philpott.matt@...
<mailto:philpott.matt%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
Hi,

We're in the process of implementing Vantage and, after having set up
the warehouses and Bins and running some tests, we're not sure that the
system behaves in a way that fits our needs. In our company, 1 bin = 1
pallet location and each pallet contains a specific product in a
specific quantity, therefore each Bin can only hold one pallet at a
time. From what we've seen in Vantage, a Bin can hold as many items as
you want to throw in there.

What we want to do is receive some stock (either from a PO or from a
Job to inventory), assign it to a Bin, then if we try to book anything
else into that Bin before the current stock is issued/shipped we get a
warning message or, better still, the Bins are selectable from a drop-
down list and those that are not vacant simply do not appear.

Does anyone know if any of this is possible? Or, are there any other
suggestions out there...?

Thanks in advance

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Inventory FIFO is all about implementing physical storage layouts that force FIFO stock pull (from the 'front') and replen (from the 'back').

I guess I've been doing this long enough that a still remember that MRP/ERP is only a model of the true value added physical processes in your business.

Bad processes quickly fall out of synch with the model and people blame 'the computer'.

Vantage is about average in its overall modeling and process enabling capabilities. 8.03 is rife with overly complex methods (many seemingly half done so potential benefits can't be realized to justify the long term maintenance cost/effort) to model processes - likely as a result of Epicor's desire to broaden the applicability of their product AND be able to claim latest/greatest underlying code & db platforms.

Frankly, I'd rather see them delay v9 and fix v8 (where they haven't painted themselves into a corner by schema decisions).

Something tells me the eventual v8 to v9 conversion will be quite an IT task and, if they really make necessary fundamental changes, probably force some (more) re-adaptations of physical processes (again) to make them v9 friendly.

I can wait.

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From: Sweny, Matt <matts@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Bins
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 6:27 PM











Hopefully, one of these days (maybe Epicor 9.0) they will include FIFO

capability.



Buy this I mean Inventory FIFO, not Financial/Costing FIFO.



Matt Sweny



Purchasing Manager



Modern Industries Inc.







matts@modernind. com



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From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf

Of Robert Brown

Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:49 PM

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Subject: Re: [Vantage] Bins



Bin based KanBans may be your answer. The can be stock/bin to stock/bin,

fab/assy to stk/bin or vendor PO to stock bin.



A max qty can be specified for kanbans and you will receive real time

warnings in kan ban monitor if you exceed a max.



Rob Brown



"philpott.matt" <philpott.matt@ yahoo.com

<mailto:philpott. matt%40yahoo. com> > wrote:

Hi,



We're in the process of implementing Vantage and, after having set up

the warehouses and Bins and running some tests, we're not sure that the

system behaves in a way that fits our needs. In our company, 1 bin = 1

pallet location and each pallet contains a specific product in a

specific quantity, therefore each Bin can only hold one pallet at a

time. From what we've seen in Vantage, a Bin can hold as many items as

you want to throw in there.



What we want to do is receive some stock (either from a PO or from a

Job to inventory), assign it to a Bin, then if we try to book anything

else into that Bin before the current stock is issued/shipped we get a

warning message or, better still, the Bins are selectable from a drop-

down list and those that are not vacant simply do not appear.



Does anyone know if any of this is possible? Or, are there any other

suggestions out there...?



Thanks in advance



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Robert,



Good points all around.



However the functionality in Vantage is very weak in several areas
(inventory, purchasing), so weak that customers like us are really
hurting.



We went live 2 years ago, from a legacy system that has serialized ID
tags for every box of inventory (not to be construed with lot/serial
control in Vantage). The legacy system knew every box and the age (date
received) of that box. The legacy system would automatically pull the
oldest material first (looking at the date received) FIFO.



We now have to do this manually, so the inventory clerk must look at the
date received on every box to determine which one is the oldest. In some
cases the boxes are in the same row and we purposefully put the oldest
in front of the line. (we always did that even with the legacy) so that
is easy unless there are more than one line of the boxes for the same
part (very common). BUT when there are numerous boxes of the same part
in different bins, the clerk now must manually figure out which bin to
pull stock from. It is very easy for a person to make a mistake doing
those kinds of "physical" inventory control procedures. Any time a
computer system can reduce labor, or prevent human error without adding
undo complexity and time it is worth looking at.



PS: Our legacy system was not unique in this sense. I have looked at
dozens of ERP systems and warehouse management systems and FIFO
inventory control is very common. If Epicor answer to all of this is to
use Lot/Serial control ............. Well as you said they tend to make
matter overly complicated at times.



PSS: For ISO9002 / ISO16949 companies like us this FIFO inventory
control is mandated. A real headache doing it manually with over 3000
sku's.



Matt Sweny

Purchasing Manager

Modern Industries Inc.

814-455-8061

matts@...

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Brown
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Bins



Inventory FIFO is all about implementing physical storage layouts that
force FIFO stock pull (from the 'front') and replen (from the 'back').

I guess I've been doing this long enough that a still remember that
MRP/ERP is only a model of the true value added physical processes in
your business.

Bad processes quickly fall out of synch with the model and people blame
'the computer'.

Vantage is about average in its overall modeling and process enabling
capabilities. 8.03 is rife with overly complex methods (many seemingly
half done so potential benefits can't be realized to justify the long
term maintenance cost/effort) to model processes - likely as a result of
Epicor's desire to broaden the applicability of their product AND be
able to claim latest/greatest underlying code & db platforms.

Frankly, I'd rather see them delay v9 and fix v8 (where they haven't
painted themselves into a corner by schema decisions).

Something tells me the eventual v8 to v9 conversion will be quite an IT
task and, if they really make necessary fundamental changes, probably
force some (more) re-adaptations of physical processes (again) to make
them v9 friendly.

I can wait.

--- On Tue, 4/22/08, Sweny, Matt <matts@...
<mailto:matts%40modernind.com> > wrote:
From: Sweny, Matt <matts@... <mailto:matts%40modernind.com> >
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Bins
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 6:27 PM

Hopefully, one of these days (maybe Epicor 9.0) they will include FIFO

capability.

Buy this I mean Inventory FIFO, not Financial/Costing FIFO.

Matt Sweny

Purchasing Manager

Modern Industries Inc.

matts@modernind. com

____________ _________ _________ __

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf

Of Robert Brown

Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:49 PM

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Subject: Re: [Vantage] Bins

Bin based KanBans may be your answer. The can be stock/bin to stock/bin,

fab/assy to stk/bin or vendor PO to stock bin.

A max qty can be specified for kanbans and you will receive real time

warnings in kan ban monitor if you exceed a max.

Rob Brown

"philpott.matt" <philpott.matt@ yahoo.com

<mailto:philpott. matt%40yahoo. com> > wrote:

Hi,

We're in the process of implementing Vantage and, after having set up

the warehouses and Bins and running some tests, we're not sure that the

system behaves in a way that fits our needs. In our company, 1 bin = 1

pallet location and each pallet contains a specific product in a

specific quantity, therefore each Bin can only hold one pallet at a

time. From what we've seen in Vantage, a Bin can hold as many items as

you want to throw in there.

What we want to do is receive some stock (either from a PO or from a

Job to inventory), assign it to a Bin, then if we try to book anything

else into that Bin before the current stock is issued/shipped we get a

warning message or, better still, the Bins are selectable from a drop-

down list and those that are not vacant simply do not appear.

Does anyone know if any of this is possible? Or, are there any other

suggestions out there...?

Thanks in advance

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I feel you pain Matt. I agree Vantage completely missed the boat on this (particularly for ISO9002 / ISO16949 companies like yours).

Our needs for this level of inventory age control (FIFO processing) is, fortunately, limited (but still a pain on Vantage).

How did you end up with Vantage if this was such a large issue for your company? It is not as if it does other common things exceedingly well - or (all too often) correctly - if at all.

Rob

--- On Wed, 4/23/08, Sweny, Matt <matts@...> wrote:

From: Sweny, Matt <matts@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Bins
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 23, 2008, 4:28 PM






Robert,

Good points all around.

However the functionality in Vantage is very weak in several areas
(inventory, purchasing), so weak that customers like us are really
hurting.

We went live 2 years ago, from a legacy system that has serialized ID
tags for every box of inventory (not to be construed with lot/serial
control in Vantage). The legacy system knew every box and the age (date
received) of that box. The legacy system would automatically pull the
oldest material first (looking at the date received) FIFO.

We now have to do this manually, so the inventory clerk must look at the
date received on every box to determine which one is the oldest. In some
cases the boxes are in the same row and we purposefully put the oldest
in front of the line. (we always did that even with the legacy) so that
is easy unless there are more than one line of the boxes for the same
part (very common). BUT when there are numerous boxes of the same part
in different bins, the clerk now must manually figure out which bin to
pull stock from. It is very easy for a person to make a mistake doing
those kinds of "physical" inventory control procedures. Any time a
computer system can reduce labor, or prevent human error without adding
undo complexity and time it is worth looking at.

PS: Our legacy system was not unique in this sense. I have looked at
dozens of ERP systems and warehouse management systems and FIFO
inventory control is very common. If Epicor answer to all of this is to
use Lot/Serial control ............ . Well as you said they tend to make
matter overly complicated at times.

PSS: For ISO9002 / ISO16949 companies like us this FIFO inventory
control is mandated. A real headache doing it manually with over 3000
sku's.

Matt Sweny

Purchasing Manager

Modern Industries Inc.

814-455-8061

matts@modernind. com

____________ _________ _________ __

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
Of Robert Brown
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Bins

Inventory FIFO is all about implementing physical storage layouts that
force FIFO stock pull (from the 'front') and replen (from the 'back').

I guess I've been doing this long enough that a still remember that
MRP/ERP is only a model of the true value added physical processes in
your business.

Bad processes quickly fall out of synch with the model and people blame
'the computer'.

Vantage is about average in its overall modeling and process enabling
capabilities. 8.03 is rife with overly complex methods (many seemingly
half done so potential benefits can't be realized to justify the long
term maintenance cost/effort) to model processes - likely as a result of
Epicor's desire to broaden the applicability of their product AND be
able to claim latest/greatest underlying code & db platforms.

Frankly, I'd rather see them delay v9 and fix v8 (where they haven't
painted themselves into a corner by schema decisions).

Something tells me the eventual v8 to v9 conversion will be quite an IT
task and, if they really make necessary fundamental changes, probably
force some (more) re-adaptations of physical processes (again) to make
them v9 friendly.

I can wait.

--- On Tue, 4/22/08, Sweny, Matt <matts@modernind. com
<mailto:matts% 40modernind. com> > wrote:
From: Sweny, Matt <matts@modernind. com <mailto:matts% 40modernind. com> >
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Bins
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 6:27 PM

Hopefully, one of these days (maybe Epicor 9.0) they will include FIFO

capability.

Buy this I mean Inventory FIFO, not Financial/Costing FIFO.

Matt Sweny

Purchasing Manager

Modern Industries Inc.

matts@modernind. com

____________ _________ _________ __

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@ yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf

Of Robert Brown

Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:49 PM

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Subject: Re: [Vantage] Bins

Bin based KanBans may be your answer. The can be stock/bin to stock/bin,

fab/assy to stk/bin or vendor PO to stock bin.

A max qty can be specified for kanbans and you will receive real time

warnings in kan ban monitor if you exceed a max.

Rob Brown

"philpott.matt" <philpott.matt@ yahoo.com

<mailto:philpott. matt%40yahoo. com> > wrote:

Hi,

We're in the process of implementing Vantage and, after having set up

the warehouses and Bins and running some tests, we're not sure that the

system behaves in a way that fits our needs. In our company, 1 bin = 1

pallet location and each pallet contains a specific product in a

specific quantity, therefore each Bin can only hold one pallet at a

time. From what we've seen in Vantage, a Bin can hold as many items as

you want to throw in there.

What we want to do is receive some stock (either from a PO or from a

Job to inventory), assign it to a Bin, then if we try to book anything

else into that Bin before the current stock is issued/shipped we get a

warning message or, better still, the Bins are selectable from a drop-

down list and those that are not vacant simply do not appear.

Does anyone know if any of this is possible? Or, are there any other

suggestions out there...?

Thanks in advance

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We fell for the sales pitch! GOTTCHA!



I was on the ERP Selection Task Team. Epicor said FIFO Inventory was
coming in the next version, (that would be 8.305.xx)............ still
waiting..........



One other comment: (if any Epicor folks are reading)

I too have mixed feelings about encouraging new functionality, while old
functionality remains questionable. In the last 2 years I have come to
learn that the fixes or changes that the customers beg for and
desperately need are very slow in coming. So asking for more
functionality is like "two steps forward and one step back". Over time,
fixes should be made. So when the fix is made that step back is
eliminated.



If we all wait for the fixes, we will never get to that higher level of
functionality we all deserve and we ALL pay for with our annual
maintenance. I do not subscribe that the portion of maintenance fees set
aside for Product development is meant to FIX problems with current
functionality, as I have been told in the past by Epicor. Do it right
the first time! Zero Scrap. Zero rejects. 100% delivery. 100% of the
time. Is that not that what all of our customers expect? So why should
we as Epicors customers expect anything less?



Matt Sweny

Purchasing Manager

Modern Industries Inc.

814-455-8061

matts@...

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Brown
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Bins



I feel you pain Matt. I agree Vantage completely missed the boat on this
(particularly for ISO9002 / ISO16949 companies like yours).

Our needs for this level of inventory age control (FIFO processing) is,
fortunately, limited (but still a pain on Vantage).

How did you end up with Vantage if this was such a large issue for your
company? It is not as if it does other common things exceedingly well -
or (all too often) correctly - if at all.

Rob

--- On Wed, 4/23/08, Sweny, Matt <matts@...
<mailto:matts%40modernind.com> > wrote:

From: Sweny, Matt <matts@... <mailto:matts%40modernind.com> >
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Bins
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 23, 2008, 4:28 PM

Robert,

Good points all around.

However the functionality in Vantage is very weak in several areas
(inventory, purchasing), so weak that customers like us are really
hurting.

We went live 2 years ago, from a legacy system that has serialized ID
tags for every box of inventory (not to be construed with lot/serial
control in Vantage). The legacy system knew every box and the age (date
received) of that box. The legacy system would automatically pull the
oldest material first (looking at the date received) FIFO.

We now have to do this manually, so the inventory clerk must look at the
date received on every box to determine which one is the oldest. In some
cases the boxes are in the same row and we purposefully put the oldest
in front of the line. (we always did that even with the legacy) so that
is easy unless there are more than one line of the boxes for the same
part (very common). BUT when there are numerous boxes of the same part
in different bins, the clerk now must manually figure out which bin to
pull stock from. It is very easy for a person to make a mistake doing
those kinds of "physical" inventory control procedures. Any time a
computer system can reduce labor, or prevent human error without adding
undo complexity and time it is worth looking at.

PS: Our legacy system was not unique in this sense. I have looked at
dozens of ERP systems and warehouse management systems and FIFO
inventory control is very common. If Epicor answer to all of this is to
use Lot/Serial control ............ . Well as you said they tend to make
matter overly complicated at times.

PSS: For ISO9002 / ISO16949 companies like us this FIFO inventory
control is mandated. A real headache doing it manually with over 3000
sku's.

Matt Sweny

Purchasing Manager

Modern Industries Inc.

814-455-8061

matts@modernind. com

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From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf
Of Robert Brown
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Bins

Inventory FIFO is all about implementing physical storage layouts that
force FIFO stock pull (from the 'front') and replen (from the 'back').

I guess I've been doing this long enough that a still remember that
MRP/ERP is only a model of the true value added physical processes in
your business.

Bad processes quickly fall out of synch with the model and people blame
'the computer'.

Vantage is about average in its overall modeling and process enabling
capabilities. 8.03 is rife with overly complex methods (many seemingly
half done so potential benefits can't be realized to justify the long
term maintenance cost/effort) to model processes - likely as a result of
Epicor's desire to broaden the applicability of their product AND be
able to claim latest/greatest underlying code & db platforms.

Frankly, I'd rather see them delay v9 and fix v8 (where they haven't
painted themselves into a corner by schema decisions).

Something tells me the eventual v8 to v9 conversion will be quite an IT
task and, if they really make necessary fundamental changes, probably
force some (more) re-adaptations of physical processes (again) to make
them v9 friendly.

I can wait.

--- On Tue, 4/22/08, Sweny, Matt <matts@modernind. com
<mailto:matts% 40modernind. com> > wrote:
From: Sweny, Matt <matts@modernind. com <mailto:matts% 40modernind. com>
>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Bins
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 6:27 PM

Hopefully, one of these days (maybe Epicor 9.0) they will include FIFO

capability.

Buy this I mean Inventory FIFO, not Financial/Costing FIFO.

Matt Sweny

Purchasing Manager

Modern Industries Inc.

matts@modernind. com

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From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@ yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf

Of Robert Brown

Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:49 PM

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Subject: Re: [Vantage] Bins

Bin based KanBans may be your answer. The can be stock/bin to stock/bin,

fab/assy to stk/bin or vendor PO to stock bin.

A max qty can be specified for kanbans and you will receive real time

warnings in kan ban monitor if you exceed a max.

Rob Brown

"philpott.matt" <philpott.matt@ yahoo.com

<mailto:philpott. matt%40yahoo. com> > wrote:

Hi,

We're in the process of implementing Vantage and, after having set up

the warehouses and Bins and running some tests, we're not sure that the

system behaves in a way that fits our needs. In our company, 1 bin = 1

pallet location and each pallet contains a specific product in a

specific quantity, therefore each Bin can only hold one pallet at a

time. From what we've seen in Vantage, a Bin can hold as many items as

you want to throw in there.

What we want to do is receive some stock (either from a PO or from a

Job to inventory), assign it to a Bin, then if we try to book anything

else into that Bin before the current stock is issued/shipped we get a

warning message or, better still, the Bins are selectable from a drop-

down list and those that are not vacant simply do not appear.

Does anyone know if any of this is possible? Or, are there any other

suggestions out there...?

Thanks in advance

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