Blackberry Blank Title 51720

system · September 13, 2006, 8:35am

Thanks for mentioning the Express version. I found info about it on
Blackberry's web-site. https://www.blackberry.com/express/?cp=ILC-BB1
I find it somewhat disturbing that the web pages explaining the BES
never mentioned the Express version, but it looks like anyone with a
valid Blackberry pin can download the Express version for free with 1
CAL.

What a great resource this group is!

Thanks again,

Brian Stenglein

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "maurojm" <jeff.mauro@...> wrote:
>
> Bob,
> I believe they are $100 per user. Jeff
>
>
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Goss" <bob@> wrote:
> >
> > Jeff thanks for the info. I've not heard of the "EXPRESS"
> Version. I
> > just placed the order as it is available with my wireless carrier
> in
> > Canada. I will take a look at this. (Of course, given that there
> is only
> > ONE FREE USER LICENSE looks like I get it). Do you happen to
know
> the
> > cost of additional users?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of maurojm
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:32 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Blackberry
> >
> > Bob,
> > We use Verizon and they offer a "BlackBerry Enterprise Server
> > Express". The software was free that included 1 CAL and extra
> CAL's
> > were $100 each. I have 3 users running off of this. It is limited
> > to 15 users before you have to upgrade to the full blown BES I am
> > not sure if others offer the same deal. I have more documentation
> > if anyone is interested.
> > Jeff
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> , "Bob
> > Goss" <bob@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Brian, I agree with Jeff if it is only for one User, and this
> way
> > you
> > > don't have to keep the outlook client running on the CEO's
> > computer all
> > > the time. If you have multiple BB's then you have to make that
> > decision
> > > on the Enterprise software versus Re-director. (VERY EXPENSIVE
> IN
> > MY
> > > MIND). I have been toying with idea of stopping the use of the
> > > re-director and having the Exchange Server forward my business
> > mail to
> > > my personal Blackberry mail account (This comes with the
> purchase
> > of the
> > > BB and my Wireless Cell provider)
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of maurojm
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:19 AM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Blackberry
> > >
> > > Brian,
> > >
> > > If it is only one person that you need to redirect, I would
> > suggest
> > > using a server to do the desktop redirection. This keeps the
> > > redirection running as long as the server is running.
> > >
> > > Load the desktop redirector software one of your servers. Load
> > > Outlook client on same server and set up for the CEO. I have
> done
> > > this for Blackberry as well as with a Verizon PDA/cell phone
> using
> > > Verizon's software (verizon's software stinks).
> > >
> > > If you need help, let me know.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > > jeff.mauro@
> > > <mailto:jeff.mauro%40blueprintautomation.com>
> > >
> > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > > "Brian Stenglein" <bstenglein@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Our CEO just purchased a Blackberry on the Cingular plan. He
> > > would
> > > > like to be able to read e-mail and manage his calendar. We
> have
> > > > Outlook 2003 and Exchange. Can he do this without getting the
> > > > Enterprise Server Software?
> > > >
> > > > I looked at the archives and I know at least a few of you
have
> > > already
> > > > gone through this so, any hints on how to set this up would
be
> > > greatly
> > > > appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Brian Stenglein
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

system · September 11, 2006, 4:36pm

Our CEO just purchased a Blackberry on the Cingular plan. He would
like to be able to read e-mail and manage his calendar. We have
Outlook 2003 and Exchange. Can he do this without getting the
Enterprise Server Software?

I looked at the archives and I know at least a few of you have already
gone through this so, any hints on how to set this up would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,

Brian Stenglein

system · September 11, 2006, 4:42pm

I just use the Desktop Redirector to get my mail. I also use the
desktop manager to synchronize my Calendar, Tasks and Contacts. Both of
these applications come with the Blackberry, or if not, are easily
available from the Internet.

We use Outlook 2003 and Exchange as well.

This works well for the 5 or 6 users here that have blackberries

Bob Goss
BC Instruments

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian Stenglein
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:37 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Blackberry

Our CEO just purchased a Blackberry on the Cingular plan. He would
like to be able to read e-mail and manage his calendar. We have
Outlook 2003 and Exchange. Can he do this without getting the
Enterprise Server Software?

I looked at the archives and I know at least a few of you have already
gone through this so, any hints on how to set this up would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,

Brian Stenglein

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system · September 11, 2006, 4:58pm

Just setup a pop3 client on the blackberry and make sure the pop service
is running on the exchange server.

Cingular will walk you through the process of setting up the pop client
if the blackberries were purchased through them else you can call RIM.

All they will need is the IP address of the POP server (mail server). I
would recommend using the ISP provider, in this case Cingular, for smtp
replies.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian Stenglein
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:37 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Blackberry

Our CEO just purchased a Blackberry on the Cingular plan. He would
like to be able to read e-mail and manage his calendar. We have
Outlook 2003 and Exchange. Can he do this without getting the
Enterprise Server Software?

I looked at the archives and I know at least a few of you have already
gone through this so, any hints on how to set this up would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,

Brian Stenglein

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system · September 11, 2006, 5:02pm

Brian

1st. We just use our email server software to send a copy of all email
he gets, at his
"work" email address, to his blackberry's email address.

2nd. Outlook itself will sink with the Blackberry.
Just use the software that comes with the Blackberry.

Regards
Rich

Brian Stenglein wrote:

>
> Our CEO just purchased a Blackberry on the Cingular plan. He would
> like to be able to read e-mail and manage his calendar. We have
> Outlook 2003 and Exchange. Can he do this without getting the
> Enterprise Server Software?
>
> I looked at the archives and I know at least a few of you have already
> gone through this so, any hints on how to set this up would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Stenglein
>
>
>
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system · September 11, 2006, 5:06pm

We started out with the web managed redirector but it lacked some things we really needed - I can't recall but will see if I can retrieve old internal messages on the project. I think it was something about attachments. Bottom line was the 5 people using it got so fed up, including our President, that we installed BES. Once I got it all configured (actually not as hard as I had feared) I have not touched it since. Absolutely flawless. We had a management "outing" to Lake of the Woods this last weekend and 3 of our 5 Blackberry people had theirs with and were in contact with the office most of the time (not sure if that was good or bad).

We also tried using the email acount that came with the units and telling Exchange to forward a copy to the BB address but that had problems when they replied and it was giving the BB address as wher eit was coming from and the sender re-replying there so they had not "record" in the Exchange server.

Down side with only one user is the cost which is what put us into 5 units in order to spread it out more.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Brian Stenglein
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:37 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Blackberry

Our CEO just purchased a Blackberry on the Cingular plan. He would
like to be able to read e-mail and manage his calendar. We have
Outlook 2003 and Exchange. Can he do this without getting the
Enterprise Server Software?

I looked at the archives and I know at least a few of you have already
gone through this so, any hints on how to set this up would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,

Brian Stenglein

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system · September 11, 2006, 5:20pm

Does anyone have any tips on when and how to compact my database occasionally? It is over 2gb and processing MRP slowly now.

Kelly

Witmar Manufacturing
Los Angeles, CA

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system · September 12, 2006, 9:02am

Thanks for the info Bob,

A follow up question if you don't mind. I assume that the blackberry
has to be conncected to a PC that is on the network during the
synchronize process, is that correct?

Brian Stenglein

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Goss" <bob@...> wrote:
>
> I just use the Desktop Redirector to get my mail. I also use the
> desktop manager to synchronize my Calendar, Tasks and Contacts.
Both of
> these applications come with the Blackberry, or if not, are easily
> available from the Internet.
>
> We use Outlook 2003 and Exchange as well.
>
> This works well for the 5 or 6 users here that have blackberries
>
> Bob Goss
> BC Instruments
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Brian Stenglein
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:37 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Blackberry
>
> Our CEO just purchased a Blackberry on the Cingular plan. He would
> like to be able to read e-mail and manage his calendar. We have
> Outlook 2003 and Exchange. Can he do this without getting the
> Enterprise Server Software?
>
> I looked at the archives and I know at least a few of you have
already
> gone through this so, any hints on how to set this up would be
greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Stenglein
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

system · September 12, 2006, 9:14am

Todd,

If they are using the BES, does it essentially behave the same as if
they were sitting at their PC? Do they see real-time calendar
updates that change on the server and do changes they make to their
calendar show up on the Exchange server for others to see?

Does e-mail behave the same as if they were at their PC, you don't
have 2 copies of each e-mail to manage right, if you read it in one p
lace it is considered read in the other?

For those using the redirector, can you explain in a little more
detail how the e-mail behaves?

BTW, sorry I forgot the OT indicator yesterday afternoon, it was a
long day :)

Thanks,

Brian Stenglein

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@...> wrote:
>
> We started out with the web managed redirector but it lacked some
things we really needed - I can't recall but will see if I can
retrieve old internal messages on the project. I think it was
something about attachments. Bottom line was the 5 people using it
got so fed up, including our President, that we installed BES. Once
I got it all configured (actually not as hard as I had feared) I have
not touched it since. Absolutely flawless. We had a
management "outing" to Lake of the Woods this last weekend and 3 of
our 5 Blackberry people had theirs with and were in contact with the
office most of the time (not sure if that was good or bad).
>
> We also tried using the email acount that came with the units and
telling Exchange to forward a copy to the BB address but that had
problems when they replied and it was giving the BB address as wher
eit was coming from and the sender re-replying there so they had
not "record" in the Exchange server.
>
> Down side with only one user is the cost which is what put us into
5 units in order to spread it out more.
>
> -Todd C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Brian Stenglein
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:37 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Blackberry
>
>
>
> Our CEO just purchased a Blackberry on the Cingular plan. He would
> like to be able to read e-mail and manage his calendar. We have
> Outlook 2003 and Exchange. Can he do this without getting the
> Enterprise Server Software?
>
> I looked at the archives and I know at least a few of you have
already
> gone through this so, any hints on how to set this up would be
greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Stenglein
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

system · September 12, 2006, 9:23am

Brian,

If it is only one person that you need to redirect, I would suggest
using a server to do the desktop redirection. This keeps the
redirection running as long as the server is running.

Load the desktop redirector software one of your servers. Load
Outlook client on same server and set up for the CEO. I have done
this for Blackberry as well as with a Verizon PDA/cell phone using
Verizon's software (verizon's software stinks).

If you need help, let me know.

Jeff
jeff.mauro@...

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Stenglein" <bstenglein@...>
wrote:

>
> Our CEO just purchased a Blackberry on the Cingular plan. He

would

> like to be able to read e-mail and manage his calendar. We have
> Outlook 2003 and Exchange. Can he do this without getting the
> Enterprise Server Software?
>
> I looked at the archives and I know at least a few of you have

already

> gone through this so, any hints on how to set this up would be

greatly

> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Stenglein
>

system · September 12, 2006, 9:34am

BES uses push technology, so Blackberry clients get their email sent to
them verses having to manually retrieve it. The exchange server still
keeps a copy of the email local so the blackberry user will still have a
copy on the desktop client. Also the BES invokes dynamic attachment
which preserves lots of memory space.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian Stenglein
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re:OT Blackberry

Todd,

If they are using the BES, does it essentially behave the same as if
they were sitting at their PC? Do they see real-time calendar
updates that change on the server and do changes they make to their
calendar show up on the Exchange server for others to see?

Does e-mail behave the same as if they were at their PC, you don't
have 2 copies of each e-mail to manage right, if you read it in one p
lace it is considered read in the other?

For those using the redirector, can you explain in a little more
detail how the e-mail behaves?

BTW, sorry I forgot the OT indicator yesterday afternoon, it was a
long day :)

Thanks,

Brian Stenglein

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@...> wrote:

>
> We started out with the web managed redirector but it lacked some

things we really needed - I can't recall but will see if I can
retrieve old internal messages on the project. I think it was
something about attachments. Bottom line was the 5 people using it
got so fed up, including our President, that we installed BES. Once
I got it all configured (actually not as hard as I had feared) I have
not touched it since. Absolutely flawless. We had a
management "outing" to Lake of the Woods this last weekend and 3 of
our 5 Blackberry people had theirs with and were in contact with the
office most of the time (not sure if that was good or bad).

>
> We also tried using the email acount that came with the units and

telling Exchange to forward a copy to the BB address but that had
problems when they replied and it was giving the BB address as wher
eit was coming from and the sender re-replying there so they had
not "record" in the Exchange server.

>
> Down side with only one user is the cost which is what put us into

5 units in order to spread it out more.

>
> -Todd C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]On
Behalf Of Brian Stenglein

> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:37 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Blackberry
>
>
>
> Our CEO just purchased a Blackberry on the Cingular plan. He would
> like to be able to read e-mail and manage his calendar. We have
> Outlook 2003 and Exchange. Can he do this without getting the
> Enterprise Server Software?
>
> I looked at the archives and I know at least a few of you have

already

> gone through this so, any hints on how to set this up would be

greatly

> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Stenglein
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · September 12, 2006, 9:34am

Brian, I agree with Jeff if it is only for one User, and this way you
don't have to keep the outlook client running on the CEO's computer all
the time. If you have multiple BB's then you have to make that decision
on the Enterprise software versus Re-director. (VERY EXPENSIVE IN MY
MIND). I have been toying with idea of stopping the use of the
re-director and having the Exchange Server forward my business mail to
my personal Blackberry mail account (This comes with the purchase of the
BB and my Wireless Cell provider)

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of maurojm
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:19 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Blackberry

Brian,

If it is only one person that you need to redirect, I would suggest
using a server to do the desktop redirection. This keeps the
redirection running as long as the server is running.

Load the desktop redirector software one of your servers. Load
Outlook client on same server and set up for the CEO. I have done
this for Blackberry as well as with a Verizon PDA/cell phone using
Verizon's software (verizon's software stinks).

If you need help, let me know.

Jeff
jeff.mauro@...
<mailto:jeff.mauro%40blueprintautomation.com>

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Brian Stenglein" <bstenglein@...>
wrote:

>
> Our CEO just purchased a Blackberry on the Cingular plan. He

would

> like to be able to read e-mail and manage his calendar. We have
> Outlook 2003 and Exchange. Can he do this without getting the
> Enterprise Server Software?
>
> I looked at the archives and I know at least a few of you have

already

> gone through this so, any hints on how to set this up would be

greatly

> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Stenglein
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · September 12, 2006, 9:48am

It may be the way I have it set up but it seems to be "push" only. Calendar items, contacts and email in Outlook on the PC get pushed to the Blackberry but when deleted from the PC they don't go away on the Blackberry (no "pull"). Although I am pretty sure adding contacts and calendar items on the BB show up on the PC. I think this is a safety feature to assure things don't get messed up and may be, as I said, a setting option. Our guys have to manually delete messages from the BB. They do however have it set so that messages sent from the BB are identified with the sender address of the PC so replies go to both places (assuring a record of the "conversation" in Outlook/Exchange as well as the "sent item" from the BB being in their sent items folder on the PC.

One of the guys did tell me that calendar reminders showing up on the desktop do not show up on the BB but I believe this is a function of Outlook not the BB.

I just went and checked again and it seems we intentionally set things up to not "pull" from the Blackberries. Reason being they like to blow away messages on the BB and be assured they are still in Outlook on the PC. I think in order to do this we sacrificed other pull type functions that automatically manage the BB (like deleting contacts or calendar items). Meaning if they read a message on the BB it does not update the status in Outlook but if they read it in Outlook it does mark it as read on the BB. So we push things out to the BB but not pull status (or changes) back to Outlook. A deliberate choice. The more I read the above it seems we do some push and some pull...selectively.

Like I said before, I set it up..everyone is happy...and I have not touched it again since. I would have to re-learn it to change anything because I have probably forgotten most of what I did a year ago.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Brian Stenglein
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re:OT Blackberry

Todd,

If they are using the BES, does it essentially behave the same as if
they were sitting at their PC? Do they see real-time calendar
updates that change on the server and do changes they make to their
calendar show up on the Exchange server for others to see?

Does e-mail behave the same as if they were at their PC, you don't
have 2 copies of each e-mail to manage right, if you read it in one p
lace it is considered read in the other?

For those using the redirector, can you explain in a little more
detail how the e-mail behaves?

BTW, sorry I forgot the OT indicator yesterday afternoon, it was a
long day :)

Thanks,

Brian Stenglein

--- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com, "Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@...> wrote:
>
> We started out with the web managed redirector but it lacked some
things we really needed - I can't recall but will see if I can
retrieve old internal messages on the project. I think it was
something about attachments. Bottom line was the 5 people using it
got so fed up, including our President, that we installed BES. Once
I got it all configured (actually not as hard as I had feared) I have
not touched it since. Absolutely flawless. We had a
management "outing" to Lake of the Woods this last weekend and 3 of
our 5 Blackberry people had theirs with and were in contact with the
office most of the time (not sure if that was good or bad).
>
> We also tried using the email acount that came with the units and
telling Exchange to forward a copy to the BB address but that had
problems when they replied and it was giving the BB address as wher
eit was coming from and the sender re-replying there so they had
not "record" in the Exchange server.
>
> Down side with only one user is the cost which is what put us into
5 units in order to spread it out more.
>
> -Todd C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com [mailto: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com]On
Behalf Of Brian Stenglein
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:37 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> Subject: [Vantage] Blackberry
>
>
>
> Our CEO just purchased a Blackberry on the Cingular plan. He would
> like to be able to read e-mail and manage his calendar. We have
> Outlook 2003 and Exchange. Can he do this without getting the
> Enterprise Server Software?
>
> I looked at the archives and I know at least a few of you have
already
> gone through this so, any hints on how to set this up would be
greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Stenglein
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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system · September 12, 2006, 10:27am

Thanks to all who replied. This is the kind of thing that happens
when one CEO shows another CEO his new "toy". The other CEO has to
have it and goes out and buys it expecting it to just work the same
out of the box.

Brian Stenglein

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@...> wrote:
>
> It may be the way I have it set up but it seems to be "push" only.
Calendar items, contacts and email in Outlook on the PC get pushed to
the Blackberry but when deleted from the PC they don't go away on the
Blackberry (no "pull"). Although I am pretty sure adding contacts
and calendar items on the BB show up on the PC. I think this is a
safety feature to assure things don't get messed up and may be, as I
said, a setting option. Our guys have to manually delete messages
from the BB. They do however have it set so that messages sent from
the BB are identified with the sender address of the PC so replies go
to both places (assuring a record of the "conversation" in
Outlook/Exchange as well as the "sent item" from the BB being in
their sent items folder on the PC.
>
> One of the guys did tell me that calendar reminders showing up on
the desktop do not show up on the BB but I believe this is a function
of Outlook not the BB.
>
> I just went and checked again and it seems we intentionally set
things up to not "pull" from the Blackberries. Reason being they
like to blow away messages on the BB and be assured they are still in
Outlook on the PC. I think in order to do this we sacrificed other
pull type functions that automatically manage the BB (like deleting
contacts or calendar items). Meaning if they read a message on the
BB it does not update the status in Outlook but if they read it in
Outlook it does mark it as read on the BB. So we push things out to
the BB but not pull status (or changes) back to Outlook. A
deliberate choice. The more I read the above it seems we do some
push and some pull...selectively.
>
> Like I said before, I set it up..everyone is happy...and I have not
touched it again since. I would have to re-learn it to change
anything because I have probably forgotten most of what I did a year
ago.
>
> -Todd C.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Brian Stenglein
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:13 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re:OT Blackberry
>
>
>
> Todd,
>
> If they are using the BES, does it essentially behave the same as
if
> they were sitting at their PC? Do they see real-time calendar
> updates that change on the server and do changes they make to their
> calendar show up on the Exchange server for others to see?
>
> Does e-mail behave the same as if they were at their PC, you don't
> have 2 copies of each e-mail to manage right, if you read it in one
p
> lace it is considered read in the other?
>
> For those using the redirector, can you explain in a little more
> detail how the e-mail behaves?
>
> BTW, sorry I forgot the OT indicator yesterday afternoon, it was a
> long day :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Stenglein
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%
40yahoogroups.com> .com, "Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@> wrote:
> >
> > We started out with the web managed redirector but it lacked some
> things we really needed - I can't recall but will see if I can
> retrieve old internal messages on the project. I think it was
> something about attachments. Bottom line was the 5 people using it
> got so fed up, including our President, that we installed BES. Once
> I got it all configured (actually not as hard as I had feared) I
have
> not touched it since. Absolutely flawless. We had a
> management "outing" to Lake of the Woods this last weekend and 3 of
> our 5 Blackberry people had theirs with and were in contact with
the
> office most of the time (not sure if that was good or bad).
> >
> > We also tried using the email acount that came with the units and
> telling Exchange to forward a copy to the BB address but that had
> problems when they replied and it was giving the BB address as wher
> eit was coming from and the sender re-replying there so they had
> not "record" in the Exchange server.
> >
> > Down side with only one user is the cost which is what put us
into
> 5 units in order to spread it out more.
> >
> > -Todd C.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com]
On
> Behalf Of Brian Stenglein
> > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:37 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Blackberry
> >
> >
> >
> > Our CEO just purchased a Blackberry on the Cingular plan. He
would
> > like to be able to read e-mail and manage his calendar. We have
> > Outlook 2003 and Exchange. Can he do this without getting the
> > Enterprise Server Software?
> >
> > I looked at the archives and I know at least a few of you have
> already
> > gone through this so, any hints on how to set this up would be
> greatly
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brian Stenglein
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

system · September 12, 2006, 10:37am

Bob,
We use Verizon and they offer a "BlackBerry Enterprise Server
Express". The software was free that included 1 CAL and extra CAL's
were $100 each. I have 3 users running off of this. It is limited
to 15 users before you have to upgrade to the full blown BES I am
not sure if others offer the same deal. I have more documentation
if anyone is interested.
Jeff

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Goss" <bob@...> wrote:
>
> Brian, I agree with Jeff if it is only for one User, and this way
you
> don't have to keep the outlook client running on the CEO's
computer all
> the time. If you have multiple BB's then you have to make that
decision
> on the Enterprise software versus Re-director. (VERY EXPENSIVE IN
MY
> MIND). I have been toying with idea of stopping the use of the
> re-director and having the Exchange Server forward my business
mail to
> my personal Blackberry mail account (This comes with the purchase
of the
> BB and my Wireless Cell provider)
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of maurojm
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:19 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Blackberry
>
> Brian,
>
> If it is only one person that you need to redirect, I would
suggest
> using a server to do the desktop redirection. This keeps the
> redirection running as long as the server is running.
>
> Load the desktop redirector software one of your servers. Load
> Outlook client on same server and set up for the CEO. I have done
> this for Blackberry as well as with a Verizon PDA/cell phone using
> Verizon's software (verizon's software stinks).
>
> If you need help, let me know.
>
> Jeff
> jeff.mauro@...
> <mailto:jeff.mauro%40blueprintautomation.com>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Brian Stenglein" <bstenglein@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Our CEO just purchased a Blackberry on the Cingular plan. He
> would
> > like to be able to read e-mail and manage his calendar. We have
> > Outlook 2003 and Exchange. Can he do this without getting the
> > Enterprise Server Software?
> >
> > I looked at the archives and I know at least a few of you have
> already
> > gone through this so, any hints on how to set this up would be
> greatly
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brian Stenglein
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

system · September 12, 2006, 10:54am

The ability to reconcile calendar items, contacts and emails is a
configuration option. We have this setup on a (small business edition)
blackberry enterprise server 8 users. We have it set to wireless
reconciliation such that reading an email marks it as read in outlook which
is very useful, along with contact and calendar management.
We also found once this product was configured and running it requires very
little effort.

Regards,
Stephen

_____

From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 2:43 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re:OT Blackberry

It may be the way I have it set up but it seems to be "push" only. Calendar
items, contacts and email in Outlook on the PC get pushed to the Blackberry
but when deleted from the PC they don't go away on the Blackberry (no
"pull"). Although I am pretty sure adding contacts and calendar items on the
BB show up on the PC. I think this is a safety feature to assure things
don't get messed up and may be, as I said, a setting option. Our guys have
to manually delete messages from the BB. They do however have it set so that
messages sent from the BB are identified with the sender address of the PC
so replies go to both places (assuring a record of the "conversation" in
Outlook/Exchange as well as the "sent item" from the BB being in their sent
items folder on the PC.

One of the guys did tell me that calendar reminders showing up on the
desktop do not show up on the BB but I believe this is a function of Outlook
not the BB.

I just went and checked again and it seems we intentionally set things up to
not "pull" from the Blackberries. Reason being they like to blow away
messages on the BB and be assured they are still in Outlook on the PC. I
think in order to do this we sacrificed other pull type functions that
automatically manage the BB (like deleting contacts or calendar items).
Meaning if they read a message on the BB it does not update the status in
Outlook but if they read it in Outlook it does mark it as read on the BB. So
we push things out to the BB but not pull status (or changes) back to
Outlook. A deliberate choice. The more I read the above it seems we do some
push and some pull...selectively.

Like I said before, I set it up..everyone is happy...and I have not touched
it again since. I would have to re-learn it to change anything because I
have probably forgotten most of what I did a year ago.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com"vantage@...
[mailto:HYPERLINK
"mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com"vantage@...]On Behalf Of
Brian Stenglein
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:13 AM
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com"vantage@...
Subject: [Vantage] Re:OT Blackberry

Todd,

If they are using the BES, does it essentially behave the same as if
they were sitting at their PC? Do they see real-time calendar
updates that change on the server and do changes they make to their
calendar show up on the Exchange server for others to see?

Does e-mail behave the same as if they were at their PC, you don't
have 2 copies of each e-mail to manage right, if you read it in one p
lace it is considered read in the other?

For those using the redirector, can you explain in a little more
detail how the e-mail behaves?

BTW, sorry I forgot the OT indicator yesterday afternoon, it was a
long day :)

Thanks,

Brian Stenglein

--- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%-40yahoogroups.-com> .com, "Todd
Caughey" <caugheyt@..-.> wrote:

>
> We started out with the web managed redirector but it lacked some

things we really needed - I can't recall but will see if I can
retrieve old internal messages on the project. I think it was
something about attachments. Bottom line was the 5 people using it
got so fed up, including our President, that we installed BES. Once
I got it all configured (actually not as hard as I had feared) I have
not touched it since. Absolutely flawless. We had a
management "outing" to Lake of the Woods this last weekend and 3 of
our 5 Blackberry people had theirs with and were in contact with the
office most of the time (not sure if that was good or bad).

>
> We also tried using the email acount that came with the units and

telling Exchange to forward a copy to the BB address but that had
problems when they replied and it was giving the BB address as wher
eit was coming from and the sender re-replying there so they had
not "record" in the Exchange server.

>
> Down side with only one user is the cost which is what put us into

5 units in order to spread it out more.

>
> -Todd C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%-40yahoogroups.-com> .com

[mailto: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%-40yahoogroups.-com> .com]On
Behalf Of Brian Stenglein

> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:37 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%-40yahoogroups.-com> .com
> Subject: [Vantage] Blackberry
>
>
>
> Our CEO just purchased a Blackberry on the Cingular plan. He would
> like to be able to read e-mail and manage his calendar. We have
> Outlook 2003 and Exchange. Can he do this without getting the
> Enterprise Server Software?
>
> I looked at the archives and I know at least a few of you have

already

> gone through this so, any hints on how to set this up would be

greatly

> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Stenglein
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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system · September 12, 2006, 10:55am

Jeff thanks for the info. I've not heard of the "EXPRESS" Version. I
just placed the order as it is available with my wireless carrier in
Canada. I will take a look at this. (Of course, given that there is only
ONE FREE USER LICENSE looks like I get it). Do you happen to know the
cost of additional users?

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of maurojm
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:32 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Blackberry

Bob,
We use Verizon and they offer a "BlackBerry Enterprise Server
Express". The software was free that included 1 CAL and extra CAL's
were $100 each. I have 3 users running off of this. It is limited
to 15 users before you have to upgrade to the full blown BES I am
not sure if others offer the same deal. I have more documentation
if anyone is interested.
Jeff

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Bob
Goss" <bob@...> wrote:

>
> Brian, I agree with Jeff if it is only for one User, and this way

you

> don't have to keep the outlook client running on the CEO's

computer all

> the time. If you have multiple BB's then you have to make that

decision

> on the Enterprise software versus Re-director. (VERY EXPENSIVE IN

MY

> MIND). I have been toying with idea of stopping the use of the
> re-director and having the Exchange Server forward my business

mail to

> my personal Blackberry mail account (This comes with the purchase

of the

> BB and my Wireless Cell provider)
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf

> Of maurojm
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:19 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Blackberry
>
> Brian,
>
> If it is only one person that you need to redirect, I would

suggest

> using a server to do the desktop redirection. This keeps the
> redirection running as long as the server is running.
>
> Load the desktop redirector software one of your servers. Load
> Outlook client on same server and set up for the CEO. I have done
> this for Blackberry as well as with a Verizon PDA/cell phone using
> Verizon's software (verizon's software stinks).
>
> If you need help, let me know.
>
> Jeff
> jeff.mauro@...
> <mailto:jeff.mauro%40blueprintautomation.com>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,

> "Brian Stenglein" <bstenglein@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Our CEO just purchased a Blackberry on the Cingular plan. He
> would
> > like to be able to read e-mail and manage his calendar. We have
> > Outlook 2003 and Exchange. Can he do this without getting the
> > Enterprise Server Software?
> >
> > I looked at the archives and I know at least a few of you have
> already
> > gone through this so, any hints on how to set this up would be
> greatly
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brian Stenglein
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · September 12, 2006, 12:07pm

Bob,
I believe they are $100 per user. Jeff

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Goss" <bob@...> wrote:
>
> Jeff thanks for the info. I've not heard of the "EXPRESS"
Version. I
> just placed the order as it is available with my wireless carrier
in
> Canada. I will take a look at this. (Of course, given that there
is only
> ONE FREE USER LICENSE looks like I get it). Do you happen to know
the
> cost of additional users?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of maurojm
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:32 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Blackberry
>
> Bob,
> We use Verizon and they offer a "BlackBerry Enterprise Server
> Express". The software was free that included 1 CAL and extra
CAL's
> were $100 each. I have 3 users running off of this. It is limited
> to 15 users before you have to upgrade to the full blown BES I am
> not sure if others offer the same deal. I have more documentation
> if anyone is interested.
> Jeff
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%
40yahoogroups.com> , "Bob
> Goss" <bob@> wrote:
> >
> > Brian, I agree with Jeff if it is only for one User, and this
way
> you
> > don't have to keep the outlook client running on the CEO's
> computer all
> > the time. If you have multiple BB's then you have to make that
> decision
> > on the Enterprise software versus Re-director. (VERY EXPENSIVE
IN
> MY
> > MIND). I have been toying with idea of stopping the use of the
> > re-director and having the Exchange Server forward my business
> mail to
> > my personal Blackberry mail account (This comes with the
purchase
> of the
> > BB and my Wireless Cell provider)
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%
40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> > Of maurojm
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:19 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Blackberry
> >
> > Brian,
> >
> > If it is only one person that you need to redirect, I would
> suggest
> > using a server to do the desktop redirection. This keeps the
> > redirection running as long as the server is running.
> >
> > Load the desktop redirector software one of your servers. Load
> > Outlook client on same server and set up for the CEO. I have
done
> > this for Blackberry as well as with a Verizon PDA/cell phone
using
> > Verizon's software (verizon's software stinks).
> >
> > If you need help, let me know.
> >
> > Jeff
> > jeff.mauro@
> > <mailto:jeff.mauro%40blueprintautomation.com>
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > "Brian Stenglein" <bstenglein@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Our CEO just purchased a Blackberry on the Cingular plan. He
> > would
> > > like to be able to read e-mail and manage his calendar. We
have
> > > Outlook 2003 and Exchange. Can he do this without getting the
> > > Enterprise Server Software?
> > >
> > > I looked at the archives and I know at least a few of you have
> > already
> > > gone through this so, any hints on how to set this up would be
> > greatly
> > > appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Brian Stenglein
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>