Digest Number 1902

QUIT, QUIT, QUIT. We would like to see you around for awhile.

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 1:43 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


If we are going to declare open season on Rich we should probably discuss
his smoking habits. Does anyone think he should QUIT QUIT QUIT ?



-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Katzenberger [mailto:wkatz@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 1:52 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


If this goes much farther Rich may go international.

We may need to call INTERPOL.

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 12:44 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


As a general rule and for further reference, sure.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Lowe [mailto:MLowe@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 12:04 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


Huh? Must have missed something.

However, I like the idea of blaming Rich Dumelle! Can I use that in
California
too?




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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: AP CHECKPRINT QUESTION
From: "Leonard, Jeremy" <jleonard@...>
2. Re: PROBLEM WITH PRINTING CHECKS TO VENDORS
From: Wayne Cox <wmc20@...>
3. RE: [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
From: Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...>
4. RE: [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
From: "Leonard, Jeremy" <jleonard@...>
5. Vantage Documentation
From: "Jeff House" <jhouse@...>
6. RE: Vantage Documentation
From: Robert Kula <bkula@...>
7. RE: [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
From: "Leonard, Jeremy" <jleonard@...>
8. RE: [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
From: Todd Anderson <tanderson@...>
9. Sometimes ya just gotta laugh/scream...
From: "Rick Gors" <rgors@...>
10. RE: Disaster recovery
From: "Malcolm Spann" <Malcolm@...>
11. RE: [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
From: "Gitzlaff, Christopher" <cgitzlaff@...>
12. New Server
From: "rlunsf" <rlunsf@...>
13. RE: Disaster recovery
From: "Leonard, Jeremy" <jleonard@...>
14. RE: [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
From: Todd Anderson <tanderson@...>
15. Re: [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
From: "Rick Gors" <rgors@...>
16. RE: [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
From: "Leonard, Jeremy" <jleonard@...>
17. RE: Vantage Documentation
From: Todd Anderson <tanderson@...>
18. Re:Vantage Documentation
From: "Mike Lowe"<MLowe@...>
19. RE: Vantage Documentation
From: "Leonard, Jeremy" <jleonard@...>
20. RE: [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
From: Thad Jacobs <tjacobs@...>
21. RE: [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
From: "Leonard, Jeremy" <jleonard@...>
22. RE: Vantage Documentation
From: Thad Jacobs <tjacobs@...>
23. RE: [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
From: Todd Anderson <tanderson@...>
24. RE: AP CHECKPRINT QUESTION
From: "Karen Brodniak" <karen.brodniak@...>
25. RE: [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
From: Wayne Cox <wmc20@...>


________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:07:42 -0500
From: "Leonard, Jeremy" <jleonard@...>
Subject: RE: AP CHECKPRINT QUESTION

I had the same problem. Our error was "Foreign Database Cursor Not Found".
This happens when there are a large number of AP Checks. There is no fix
for this. The only solution Epicor gave me was to print smaller batches.
From what I remember, the error is caused by Vantage referencing the Foreign
languages section of the database and doing it efficiently. Progress will
allow so many errors as the database gets bottlenecked and then you get the
error.
Sorry I couldn't be more help.
Thanks
Jeremy Leonard


-----Original Message-----
From: Karen Brodniak [mailto:karen.brodniak@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:40 AM
To: Vantage Group (E-mail)
Subject: [Vantage] AP CHECKPRINT QUESTION


Leonard,

I have been using a Crystal custom AP check that prints the invoice numbers
on both stubs-one for us and one for the vendor. This was working fine until
a large number of checks were set to be printed. A Crystal error came up
(user did not write the error message down) and checks did not print
correctly. Any ideas as to why this happened? Thanks for your help.

Karen Brodniak
Accounting Manager
Phone: 425-742-7011 x44
Fax: 425-353-8945
karen.brodniak@...




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 14:08:30 -0400
From: Wayne Cox <wmc20@...>
Subject: Re: PROBLEM WITH PRINTING CHECKS TO VENDORS

At 09:51 AM 6/5/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>computer upgraded since the last check run. Now when we tried to print
>checks, the spacing seems messed up and the font size seems to be
>off. Does anyone know how to adjust this?

Probably due to different print drivers. Are you using the OEM driver, or
the one that comes with windows? I'd try downloading the current driver
from the printer manufacturer and using it. There may also be settings in
the print driver's properties, like "download fonts" or "print fonts at
bitmaps" that you could experiment with.

If you really need to adjust the form, you need Crystal Reports to modify
the layout of Epicor's standard form.

>Looking at the help it appears you have to adjust fonts within Progress.

That's outdated info. Prior to Vantage 4, the check print was a Progress
routine. There were some .INI file things you could tweak then.

-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three -- Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338





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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:16:14 -0500
From: Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...>
Subject: RE: [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up

On our Vantage server (IBM Netfinitiy 5500) the "data" drive is really two
disks mirrored. We also have a warm spare for automatic roll over if either
side of the mirror fails. The RAID controller will build the warm spare
from the "good" side of the mirror set. I can then pop out the hot swapable
failed drive and replace it on the fly to become the new "warm" spare. I
did not mirror the system disk but now think I maybe should have. Also, in
the system are dual power supplies that share the load but either is big
enough to take over on own if one fails. These too are hot swapable.
Finally memory is in multiple modules in case one fails we can limp until
replacement (not hot swapable). Whole system is backed up with Veritas
BackupExec with emergency reload disks.

On topic of tape versus disk backup. I do copy Vantage backup to disk on
another server but nightly DLT tape goes off-site (my house) once a week as
well as nightly tapes going into a fireproof cabinet located in an
underground tunnel. Our auditors demanded off-site storage of backup.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:31 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up


I believe RAID 1, mirrored drives is the preferred configuration from
progress.

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:52 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up


Patrick,

Will Vantage Run on Raid 1.

Dina

"Winter, Patrick" wrote:

> You are in a wonderful position. Hardware today such as disk drives and
RAM
> are very affordable for requirements of your size.
> My random thoughts for what they are worth:
> 1 processor. (megahertz is not the bottle neck anymore, go for price)
> 1 gb ram. (NT & Vantage take to RAM like a duck to water)
> 2 - 18gb Ultra SCSI drives, RAID 1
> 1 - 64mb PERC raid controller.
> (don't be afraid to spend more on drive speeds and controllers, it boils
> down to how fast you can get things from the hard drives to RAM, then
having
> enough RAM to keep it there.)
> 1 - 10/100/1000 NIC card. (You can get a 10/100/1000 8 port switch for
less
> than $500)
> redundant power supply, it's up to you how redundant you want to be.
> 20/40 DLT Tape Drive. (DLT are fast and friendly)
> Your in the $4000 to $6000 range. I favor Dell, but Brand Names is a
thread
> all by it's self.
>
> Patrick
>
> Remember: when you steal from once source, it's plagiarism; when you steal
> from several, it's research
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:47 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
>
> Patrick,
>
> We are thinking about combining my file server and Vantage together. We
> currently have 5 datacollection stations and 8 full users.
>
> Our database is is 232 megs. It has taken two years to get to that.
>
> Thanks
> Dina
>
> "Winter, Patrick" wrote:
>
> > How many Vantage users do you have?
> > What is the size of your database?
> > What is your database growth rate per month?
> > Will you be running anything else on this server?
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:54 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > I would like the groups suggestion - I was told today I could buy a new
> > server and Back Up Drive. Any suggestions for the server and for back
> > ups. I was told to buy something that would last and allow for growth.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Dina M. Hieber
> > Vamco International, Inc.
> > 555 Epsilon Drive
> > Pittsburgh, PA 15238
> > (412) 963-7100 - phone
> > (412) 963-9511 - fax
> >
> > www.vamcointernational.com
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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> have
> > already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
> > Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
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> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
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> >
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> >
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> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
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> --
> Dina M. Hieber
> Vamco International, Inc.
> 555 Epsilon Drive
> Pittsburgh, PA 15238
> (412) 963-7100 - phone
> (412) 963-9511 - fax
>
> www.vamcointernational.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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have
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> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
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>
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--
Dina M. Hieber
Vamco International, Inc.
555 Epsilon Drive
Pittsburgh, PA 15238
(412) 963-7100 - phone
(412) 963-9511 - fax

www.vamcointernational.com



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:18:07 -0500
From: "Leonard, Jeremy" <jleonard@...>
Subject: RE: [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up

Raid 1 will work fine, but I think RAID 10 is now the preferred
configuration for a Progress Database. Raid 10 is faster and you can add
more drives later but you pay for it. You loose 50% of your drive space to
raid. The only other drawback is that you have to have a RAID card that
supports RAID 10. There are many that do not.
Thanks
Jeremy


-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:31 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up


I believe RAID 1, mirrored drives is the preferred configuration from
progress.

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:52 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up


Patrick,

Will Vantage Run on Raid 1.

Dina

"Winter, Patrick" wrote:

> You are in a wonderful position. Hardware today such as disk drives and
RAM
> are very affordable for requirements of your size.
> My random thoughts for what they are worth:
> 1 processor. (megahertz is not the bottle neck anymore, go for price)
> 1 gb ram. (NT & Vantage take to RAM like a duck to water)
> 2 - 18gb Ultra SCSI drives, RAID 1
> 1 - 64mb PERC raid controller.
> (don't be afraid to spend more on drive speeds and controllers, it boils
> down to how fast you can get things from the hard drives to RAM, then
having
> enough RAM to keep it there.)
> 1 - 10/100/1000 NIC card. (You can get a 10/100/1000 8 port switch for
less
> than $500)
> redundant power supply, it's up to you how redundant you want to be.
> 20/40 DLT Tape Drive. (DLT are fast and friendly)
> Your in the $4000 to $6000 range. I favor Dell, but Brand Names is a
thread
> all by it's self.
>
> Patrick
>
> Remember: when you steal from once source, it's plagiarism; when you steal
> from several, it's research
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:47 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
>
> Patrick,
>
> We are thinking about combining my file server and Vantage together. We
> currently have 5 datacollection stations and 8 full users.
>
> Our database is is 232 megs. It has taken two years to get to that.
>
> Thanks
> Dina
>
> "Winter, Patrick" wrote:
>
> > How many Vantage users do you have?
> > What is the size of your database?
> > What is your database growth rate per month?
> > Will you be running anything else on this server?
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:54 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > I would like the groups suggestion - I was told today I could buy a new
> > server and Back Up Drive. Any suggestions for the server and for back
> > ups. I was told to buy something that would last and allow for growth.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Dina M. Hieber
> > Vamco International, Inc.
> > 555 Epsilon Drive
> > Pittsburgh, PA 15238
> > (412) 963-7100 - phone
> > (412) 963-9511 - fax
> >
> > www.vamcointernational.com
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have
> > already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
> > Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> > (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> > (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
> --
> Dina M. Hieber
> Vamco International, Inc.
> 555 Epsilon Drive
> Pittsburgh, PA 15238
> (412) 963-7100 - phone
> (412) 963-9511 - fax
>
> www.vamcointernational.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

--
Dina M. Hieber
Vamco International, Inc.
555 Epsilon Drive
Pittsburgh, PA 15238
(412) 963-7100 - phone
(412) 963-9511 - fax

www.vamcointernational.com



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/



________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 5
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 11:17:44 -0700
From: "Jeff House" <jhouse@...>
Subject: Vantage Documentation

Does anyone else feel like they are having there money sucked out of them
by Vantage?

I go to do an upgrade to 5.1 and after talking to Vantage I will need to buy pre-consulting
to prepare for the upgrade and then post consulting to make sure we have it running correctly and that
the new procedures are done correctly.

Five thousand dollars every time I upgrade? (of course this is on top of a $25,000.00 maintenance fee)

Oh you don't have to upgrade but if your down two rev. levels we don't support your software anymore.

Ooooo I am so upset!


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 6
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:13:36 -0500
From: Robert Kula <bkula@...>
Subject: RE: Vantage Documentation

I believe most people did not hire Epicor to do any pre-consulting on an
upgrade or any post consulting unless you have not run Vantage prior to the
5.1 installation.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff House [mailto:jhouse@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:18 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage Documentation


Does anyone else feel like they are having there money sucked out of them
by Vantage?

I go to do an upgrade to 5.1 and after talking to Vantage I will need to buy
pre-consulting
to prepare for the upgrade and then post consulting to make sure we have it
running correctly and that
the new procedures are done correctly.

Five thousand dollars every time I upgrade? (of course this is on top of a
$25,000.00 maintenance fee)

Oh you don't have to upgrade but if your down two rev. levels we don't
support your software anymore.

Ooooo I am so upset!


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/



________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 7
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:22:51 -0500
From: "Leonard, Jeremy" <jleonard@...>
Subject: RE: [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up

I want an underground tunnel....

I'm sure it would be called the Nerdcave....


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:16 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up


On our Vantage server (IBM Netfinitiy 5500) the "data" drive is really two
disks mirrored. We also have a warm spare for automatic roll over if either
side of the mirror fails. The RAID controller will build the warm spare
from the "good" side of the mirror set. I can then pop out the hot swapable
failed drive and replace it on the fly to become the new "warm" spare. I
did not mirror the system disk but now think I maybe should have. Also, in
the system are dual power supplies that share the load but either is big
enough to take over on own if one fails. These too are hot swapable.
Finally memory is in multiple modules in case one fails we can limp until
replacement (not hot swapable). Whole system is backed up with Veritas
BackupExec with emergency reload disks.

On topic of tape versus disk backup. I do copy Vantage backup to disk on
another server but nightly DLT tape goes off-site (my house) once a week as
well as nightly tapes going into a fireproof cabinet located in an
underground tunnel. Our auditors demanded off-site storage of backup.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:31 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up


I believe RAID 1, mirrored drives is the preferred configuration from
progress.

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:52 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up


Patrick,

Will Vantage Run on Raid 1.

Dina

"Winter, Patrick" wrote:

> You are in a wonderful position. Hardware today such as disk drives and
RAM
> are very affordable for requirements of your size.
> My random thoughts for what they are worth:
> 1 processor. (megahertz is not the bottle neck anymore, go for price)
> 1 gb ram. (NT & Vantage take to RAM like a duck to water)
> 2 - 18gb Ultra SCSI drives, RAID 1
> 1 - 64mb PERC raid controller.
> (don't be afraid to spend more on drive speeds and controllers, it boils
> down to how fast you can get things from the hard drives to RAM, then
having
> enough RAM to keep it there.)
> 1 - 10/100/1000 NIC card. (You can get a 10/100/1000 8 port switch for
less
> than $500)
> redundant power supply, it's up to you how redundant you want to be.
> 20/40 DLT Tape Drive. (DLT are fast and friendly)
> Your in the $4000 to $6000 range. I favor Dell, but Brand Names is a
thread
> all by it's self.
>
> Patrick
>
> Remember: when you steal from once source, it's plagiarism; when you steal
> from several, it's research
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:47 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
>
> Patrick,
>
> We are thinking about combining my file server and Vantage together. We
> currently have 5 datacollection stations and 8 full users.
>
> Our database is is 232 megs. It has taken two years to get to that.
>
> Thanks
> Dina
>
> "Winter, Patrick" wrote:
>
> > How many Vantage users do you have?
> > What is the size of your database?
> > What is your database growth rate per month?
> > Will you be running anything else on this server?
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:54 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > I would like the groups suggestion - I was told today I could buy a new
> > server and Back Up Drive. Any suggestions for the server and for back
> > ups. I was told to buy something that would last and allow for growth.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Dina M. Hieber
> > Vamco International, Inc.
> > 555 Epsilon Drive
> > Pittsburgh, PA 15238
> > (412) 963-7100 - phone
> > (412) 963-9511 - fax
> >
> > www.vamcointernational.com
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have
> > already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
> > Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
> > (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
> >
> >
> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
> > (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
>
> --
> Dina M. Hieber
> Vamco International, Inc.
> 555 Epsilon Drive
> Pittsburgh, PA 15238
> (412) 963-7100 - phone
> (412) 963-9511 - fax
>
> www.vamcointernational.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>

--
Dina M. Hieber
Vamco International, Inc.
555 Epsilon Drive
Pittsburgh, PA 15238
(412) 963-7100 - phone
(412) 963-9511 - fax

www.vamcointernational.com



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>

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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:13:17 -0500
From: Todd Anderson <tanderson@...>
Subject: RE: [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up

Underground tunnel ... Hmmmm, you can store your backup tapes next to your
wine cellar.

In the case of a disaster you can just go down to the tunnel, open a bottle
of well aged Cabernet Sauvignon, and say to heck with it all ...

-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:23 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up


I want an underground tunnel....

I'm sure it would be called the Nerdcave....


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:16 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up


On our Vantage server (IBM Netfinitiy 5500) the "data" drive is really two
disks mirrored. We also have a warm spare for automatic roll over if either
side of the mirror fails. The RAID controller will build the warm spare
from the "good" side of the mirror set. I can then pop out the hot swapable
failed drive and replace it on the fly to become the new "warm" spare. I
did not mirror the system disk but now think I maybe should have. Also, in
the system are dual power supplies that share the load but either is big
enough to take over on own if one fails. These too are hot swapable.
Finally memory is in multiple modules in case one fails we can limp until
replacement (not hot swapable). Whole system is backed up with Veritas
BackupExec with emergency reload disks.

On topic of tape versus disk backup. I do copy Vantage backup to disk on
another server but nightly DLT tape goes off-site (my house) once a week as
well as nightly tapes going into a fireproof cabinet located in an
underground tunnel. Our auditors demanded off-site storage of backup.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:31 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up


I believe RAID 1, mirrored drives is the preferred configuration from
progress.

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:52 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up


Patrick,

Will Vantage Run on Raid 1.

Dina

"Winter, Patrick" wrote:

> You are in a wonderful position. Hardware today such as disk drives and
RAM
> are very affordable for requirements of your size.
> My random thoughts for what they are worth:
> 1 processor. (megahertz is not the bottle neck anymore, go for price)
> 1 gb ram. (NT & Vantage take to RAM like a duck to water)
> 2 - 18gb Ultra SCSI drives, RAID 1
> 1 - 64mb PERC raid controller.
> (don't be afraid to spend more on drive speeds and controllers, it boils
> down to how fast you can get things from the hard drives to RAM, then
having
> enough RAM to keep it there.)
> 1 - 10/100/1000 NIC card. (You can get a 10/100/1000 8 port switch for
less
> than $500)
> redundant power supply, it's up to you how redundant you want to be.
> 20/40 DLT Tape Drive. (DLT are fast and friendly)
> Your in the $4000 to $6000 range. I favor Dell, but Brand Names is a
thread
> all by it's self.
>
> Patrick
>
> Remember: when you steal from once source, it's plagiarism; when you steal
> from several, it's research
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:47 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
>
> Patrick,
>
> We are thinking about combining my file server and Vantage together. We
> currently have 5 datacollection stations and 8 full users.
>
> Our database is is 232 megs. It has taken two years to get to that.
>
> Thanks
> Dina
>
> "Winter, Patrick" wrote:
>
> > How many Vantage users do you have?
> > What is the size of your database?
> > What is your database growth rate per month?
> > Will you be running anything else on this server?
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:54 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] [Off Topic] - New Server AND Back Up
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > I would like the groups suggestion - I was told today I could buy a new
> > server and Back Up Drive. Any suggestions for the server and for back
> > ups. I was told to buy something that would last and allow for growth.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Dina M. Hieber
> > Vamco International, Inc.
> > 555 Epsilon Drive
> > Pittsburgh, PA 15238
> > (412) 963-7100 - phone
> > (412) 963-9511 - fax
> >
> > www.vamcointernational.com
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have
> > already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
> > Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.> >
> > (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages> >
> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> <
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> >
> >
> >
> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.> >
> > (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages> >
> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> <
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> >
>
> --
> Dina M. Hieber
> Vamco International, Inc.
> 555 Epsilon Drive
> Pittsburgh, PA 15238
> (412) 963-7100 - phone
> (412) 963-9511 - fax
>
> www.vamcointernational.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.> >
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages> >
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links> >
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
< http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> >
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:30:34 -0400
From: "Rick Gors" <rgors@...>
Subject: Sometimes ya just gotta laugh/scream...

Gang:

Okay. Here's my sad story.

When adding a new customer, at the point of selecting an appropriate FOB location (99% of the time, our own city), the S#@$ department would select ADD (!!). Yes they kept adding and using slight variations on the same thing. "RICH HILL"..."Rochester Hills, MI", or some other variation.

I have many, many loaded and of course locked out from deletion because zillions of orders reference one or another.

Is there any way, shape or form that someone has a little ditty that will change them all to one, correctly spelled FOB of my choosing. Ideally I could then delete all the extras.

(Yes I have secured all the little devils out now)

Thanks for any/all responses......

Rick Gors
MR/MMIS
Osco


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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:29:28 -0700
From: "Malcolm Spann" <Malcolm@...>
Subject: RE: Disaster recovery

One last thing to think about:

A rapid rollover to a backup server is great, from the server standpoint.
However, from the client standpoint, *every* client in your building will
still be pointed to the old server. Unless you've already configured every
workstation to also point to the training (or backup) server, you'll have to
re-install the client on the workstations.

A message from the Department of Redundency Department

Malcolm Spann
MIS
Malmberg Engineering
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:48 AM
> To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Disaster recovery
>
>
> We have several servers. We have one very high end dual P4
> 2.0Ghz PC that we use for our Vantage Training Server and our Development
> Server. If something would happen to our Vantage server, the test
server could be
> switched over to the live database very quickly. Since a total loss
> scenario is very rare, we have done a few things to make the
> loss of our Vantage server more survivable. We have a maintenance build
> on the same property but several hundred ft away that we ran fiber to.
> We have Vantage backups being sent there several times a day. We also
backup
<span title
Jeff,

I wanted to take this opportunity to personally thank you for this
incredible waste of bandwidth on this truly profound query! It
brought back fond memories of a past thread a year or two ago where
someone included their full Dr. Watson error log and everyone who
replied trying to help (it seemed like 50 people) included the
original message, with all 1,624,421 lines of error log text!

Steve Polatas
IT Manager
Wrayco Industries, Inc.

--- In vantage@y..., "Jeff House" <jhouse@a...> wrote:
> There are only 11 messages in this 25 message issue?
>
> >>> <vantage@y...> 06/05/02 11:59AM >>>
>
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> -------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
>
> There are 25 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. RE: AP CHECKPRINT QUESTION
>
and on and on and on...
I was told a while back from a group moderator that Yahoo doesn't do digests
correctly -- you can lose messages -- I believe when they are assembled into
an attached file instead of the message itself.

----- Original Message -----
From: "spolatas" <spolatas@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:56 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


> Jeff,
>
> I wanted to take this opportunity to personally thank you for this
> incredible waste of bandwidth on this truly profound query! It
> brought back fond memories of a past thread a year or two ago where
> someone included their full Dr. Watson error log and everyone who
> replied trying to help (it seemed like 50 people) included the
> original message, with all 1,624,421 lines of error log text!
>
> Steve Polatas
> IT Manager
> Wrayco Industries, Inc.
>
> --- In vantage@y..., "Jeff House" <jhouse@a...> wrote:
> > There are only 11 messages in this 25 message issue?
> >
> > >>> <vantage@y...> 06/05/02 11:59AM >>>
> >
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> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > There are 25 messages in this issue.
> >
> > Topics in this digest:
> >
> > 1. RE: AP CHECKPRINT QUESTION
> >
> and on and on and on...
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
I wanted to take this opportunity to personally thank you for this
incredible waste of bandwidth on this truly profound query!

Steve Polatas
IT Manager
Wrayco Industries, Inc.


Man.

Maybe you should lighten up a little?

Rick Gors


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Rick,

Well spoken.

Shirley



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Rick, Shirley

DITTO.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:14 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


Rick,

Well spoken.

Shirley



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-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:14 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


Rick,

Well spoken.

Shirley



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Hehe, that's good stuff.� I thought that the unprovoked hostile attack was
extremely amusing.� I am picturing "Nick" the computer guy from the old
Saturday night Live skit pushing a user aside and mumbling the same type
sentiments.
�
I just re-ordered 2 cases of pocket protectors and white tape(for the broken
eyeglasses).� :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Dupuis [mailto:dupuism@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


Or should I say
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Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:14 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


Rick,

��� Well spoken.

Shirley



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What I don't understand is why you're picking on him and not Yahoo???

They're losing messages for those wanting a digest.

dans@... wrote:

>Hehe, that's good stuff. I thought that the unprovoked hostile attack was
>extremely amusing. I am picturing "Nick" the computer guy from the old
>Saturday night Live skit pushing a user aside and mumbling the same type
>sentiments.

>I just re-ordered 2 cases of pocket protectors and white tape(for the broken
>eyeglasses). :-)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Dupuis [mailto:dupuism@...]
>Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:25 PM
>To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902
>
>
>Or should I say
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>
>Mark
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
>Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:14 PM
>To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902
>
>
>Rick,
>
>Â Â Â Well spoken.
>
>Shirley
>
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: crobisch1@... [mailto:crobisch1@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 3:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


What I don't understand is why you're picking on him and not Yahoo???




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If someone on the list makes a mistake (as many of us have from time to time) lets just speak to the mistake. Ripping someone a new one after their first mistake is extreme.

If someone hoses up, like I said earlier, lets just lighten up.

Rick Gors


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I couldn't agree more, my comments were definitely trying to deflect the
criticism, maybe unsuccessfully.� Believe me, I would be the last one to
throw stones as I glance around my office and database :-)
�
Have a great day all, and weekend.
�
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 6:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


The members of this group are a community, rudeness is unproductive, venting
at corporations/organizations (within limits) is tolerated.� Dissing
individuals IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
Shirley

� -----Original Message-----
� From: crobisch1@... [mailto:crobisch1@...]
� Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 3:26 PM
� To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
� Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


� What I don't understand is why you're picking on him and not Yahoo???




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Or if all else fails we can just blame Rich Dumelle.

Patrick (:-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Gors [mailto:rgors@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 6:38 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


If someone on the list makes a mistake (as many of us have from time to
time) lets just speak to the mistake. Ripping someone a new one after their
first mistake is extreme.

If someone hoses up, like I said earlier, lets just lighten up.

Rick Gors


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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
I was thinking the same thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:56 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


Or if all else fails we can just blame Rich Dumelle.

Patrick (:-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Gors [mailto:rgors@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 6:38 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


If someone on the list makes a mistake (as many of us have from time to
time) lets just speak to the mistake. Ripping someone a new one after their
first mistake is extreme.

If someone hoses up, like I said earlier, lets just lighten up.

Rick Gors


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RICH DID IT, RICH DID IT!

-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Dumelle [mailto:rdumelle@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:53 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


I was thinking the same thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:56 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


Or if all else fails we can just blame Rich Dumelle.

Patrick (:-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Gors [mailto:rgors@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 6:38 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


If someone on the list makes a mistake (as many of us have from time to
time) lets just speak to the mistake. Ripping someone a new one after their
first mistake is extreme.

If someone hoses up, like I said earlier, lets just lighten up.

Rick Gors


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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
EXCELLENT!!! We are back in action!

RG
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Kula
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


RICH DID IT, RICH DID IT!

-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Dumelle [mailto:rdumelle@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:53 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


I was thinking the same thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:56 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


Or if all else fails we can just blame Rich Dumelle.

Patrick (:-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Gors [mailto:rgors@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 6:38 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


If someone on the list makes a mistake (as many of us have from time to
time) lets just speak to the mistake. Ripping someone a new one after their
first mistake is extreme.

If someone hoses up, like I said earlier, lets just lighten up.

Rick Gors


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



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Ok, that's it... I'm calling the bandwidth police... Everyone into the
lineup

mjb

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Gors [mailto:rgors@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 6:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


EXCELLENT!!! We are back in action!

RG
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Kula
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


RICH DID IT, RICH DID IT!

-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Dumelle [mailto:rdumelle@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:53 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


I was thinking the same thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:56 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


Or if all else fails we can just blame Rich Dumelle.

Patrick (:-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Gors [mailto:rgors@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 6:38 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


If someone on the list makes a mistake (as many of us have from time to
time) lets just speak to the mistake. Ripping someone a new one after
their
first mistake is extreme.

If someone hoses up, like I said earlier, lets just lighten up.

Rick Gors


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
As a general rule and for further reference, sure.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Lowe [mailto:MLowe@...]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 12:04 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:RE: [Vantage] Re: Digest Number 1902


Huh? Must have missed something.

However, I like the idea of blaming Rich Dumelle! Can I use that in
California
too?




Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/