E9 - Purchased Assemblies

You could create the circuit board assemblies as manufactured parts, create a method that contains a subcontract assembly operation performed by the supplier and the two filters as materials. If you make them non-stock parts, you will purchase them directly to the job. That can make the rest of the process a little easier to manage.

You can set the per unit subcontract cost in Engineering Workbench and account for the cost of the filters as you see fit.

Then, you can create a job, schedule it and generate po suggestions. You'll have a po suggestion to buy the filters to the job and for the subcontract assembly operation. The subcontract operation won't be scheduled until after the filter po is scheduled to be received if you make the filters non-stock (if they are stock parts, you need APS and to mark them as constrained materials to get the same timing).

When you receive the filters, they will go directly to the job. You can then do a receipt from the circuit board supplier against the subcontract po and a job receipt to inventory.

Let me know if you need more detailed info on how this would work.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@...> wrote:
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> We have circuit board assemblies which we purchase complete, except for two filters we purchase directly and then send to our supplier to be added to the board. We want the Purchased item to act like an assembly so we can issue the two filters as materials, but we want to be able to purchase the assembly to stock so we have it in inventory. I thought I could set it up where the purchased part is a sub-assembly including the two filters, but I have not been able to generate PO suggestions for either the purchased assembly or the filters.
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We have circuit board assemblies which we purchase complete, except for two filters we purchase directly and then send to our supplier to be added to the board. We want the Purchased item to act like an assembly so we can issue the two filters as materials, but we want to be able to purchase the assembly to stock so we have it in inventory. I thought I could set it up where the purchased part is a sub-assembly including the two filters, but I have not been able to generate PO suggestions for either the purchased assembly or the filters.
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Anyone else doing something similar?

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You will never get PO suggestions for a manufactured part which is what a subassembly would be...

So I guess I am not understanding why you would want to create a purchased part as a subassembly?



M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...<mailto:manasa@...>
630.806.2000 x1515

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Wagner
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:59 PM
To: Vantage User Group
Subject: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies



We have circuit board assemblies which we purchase complete, except for two filters we purchase directly and then send to our supplier to be added to the board. We want the Purchased item to act like an assembly so we can issue the two filters as materials, but we want to be able to purchase the assembly to stock so we have it in inventory. I thought I could set it up where the purchased part is a sub-assembly including the two filters, but I have not been able to generate PO suggestions for either the purchased assembly or the filters.

Anyone else doing something similar?

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Well, it was kind of a challenge from a user! They want the purchased part to drive the demand for the filters, even though we are still purchasing those and then shipping them to the supplier. So basically I want to issue the filters we buy to the purchased assembly so we can manage the inventory and cost of the filters. When the purchase assembly arrives we then want to receive it to inventory. I was wondering if I could do that without having to create a subassembly containing the purchased assembly and the filters and then having to receive that subassembly to inventory



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From: Manasa Reddy <manasa@...>
To: "vantage@yahoogroups.com" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies

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You will never get PO suggestions for a manufactured part which is what a subassembly would be...

So I guess I am not understanding why you would want to create a purchased part as a subassembly?

M. Manasa Reddy
mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com<mailto:mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
630.806.2000 x1515

From: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Wagner
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:59 PM
To: Vantage User Group
Subject: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies

We have circuit board assemblies which we purchase complete, except for two filters we purchase directly and then send to our supplier to be added to the board. We want the Purchased item to act like an assembly so we can issue the two filters as materials, but we want to be able to purchase the assembly to stock so we have it in inventory. I thought I could set it up where the purchased part is a sub-assembly including the two filters, but I have not been able to generate PO suggestions for either the purchased assembly or the filters.

Anyone else doing something similar?

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That’s the only way to do it…


Marco Vissuet
Systems Engineer
Pacific Contours Corporation
Office (619) 670-3900
Fax (619) 670-1643
mvissuet@...<mailto:marcov@...>
http://www.pacificcontours.com/

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Wagner
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:38 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies



Well, it was kind of a challenge from a user! They want the purchased part to drive the demand for the filters, even though we are still purchasing those and then shipping them to the supplier. So basically I want to issue the filters we buy to the purchased assembly so we can manage the inventory and cost of the filters. When the purchase assembly arrives we then want to receive it to inventory. I was wondering if I could do that without having to create a subassembly containing the purchased assembly and the filters and then having to receive that subassembly to inventory

________________________________
From: Manasa Reddy <manasa@...<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>>
To: "vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>" <vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies


You will never get PO suggestions for a manufactured part which is what a subassembly would be...

So I guess I am not understanding why you would want to create a purchased part as a subassembly?

M. Manasa Reddy
mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com<mailto:mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com%3cmailto:mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>>
630.806.2000 x1515

From: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Wagner
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:59 PM
To: Vantage User Group
Subject: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies

We have circuit board assemblies which we purchase complete, except for two filters we purchase directly and then send to our supplier to be added to the board. We want the Purchased item to act like an assembly so we can issue the two filters as materials, but we want to be able to purchase the assembly to stock so we have it in inventory. I thought I could set it up where the purchased part is a sub-assembly including the two filters, but I have not been able to generate PO suggestions for either the purchased assembly or the filters.

Anyone else doing something similar?

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Yeah, I think I was just seeing if anyone else had something similar and perhaps too another approach!
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Thanks


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From: Marco Vissuet <mvissuet@...>
To: "vantage@yahoogroups.com" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:51 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies

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That’s the only way to do it…


Marco Vissuet
Systems Engineer
Pacific Contours Corporation
Office (619) 670-3900
Fax (619) 670-1643
mailto:mvissuet%40pacificcontours.com<mailto:mailto:marcov%40pacificcontours.com>
http://www.pacificcontours.com/

"The information contained herein may be subject to the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) Warning: - This document contains data whose export is restricted by the Arms Export Control Act (Title 22, U.S.C., Sec 2751, et seq.) as amended, or the Export Administration Act (Title 50, U.S.C., App 2401 et seq.) as amended. Violations of these export laws are subject to severe criminal and civil penalties. Disseminate in accordance with provisions of DoD Directive 5230.25.

From: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Wagner
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:38 AM
To: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies



Well, it was kind of a challenge from a user! They want the purchased part to drive the demand for the filters, even though we are still purchasing those and then shipping them to the supplier. So basically I want to issue the filters we buy to the purchased assembly so we can manage the inventory and cost of the filters. When the purchase assembly arrives we then want to receive it to inventory. I was wondering if I could do that without having to create a subassembly containing the purchased assembly and the filters and then having to receive that subassembly to inventory

________________________________
From: Manasa Reddy <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>>
To: "mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>" <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies


You will never get PO suggestions for a manufactured part which is what a subassembly would be...

So I guess I am not understanding why you would want to create a purchased part as a subassembly?

M. Manasa Reddy
mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com<mailto:mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com%3cmailto:mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>>
630.806.2000 x1515

From: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Wagner
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:59 PM
To: Vantage User Group
Subject: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies

We have circuit board assemblies which we purchase complete, except for two filters we purchase directly and then send to our supplier to be added to the board. We want the Purchased item to act like an assembly so we can issue the two filters as materials, but we want to be able to purchase the assembly to stock so we have it in inventory. I thought I could set it up where the purchased part is a sub-assembly including the two filters, but I have not been able to generate PO suggestions for either the purchased assembly or the filters.

Anyone else doing something similar?

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Good Day Mark:

Do you Stock the first-board? Then send it back to Vendor; or send
to a different Vendor?
Or, does the Vendor never deliver the first-board to you and holds
it until he gets the filters?
Does the vendor supply all the parts for the first-Board?

If the company that inserts the filters is the same as the one who makes
the First-Board:
A. Make the final part a manufactured part with filters as material
and Outplant operation for the first-board including insert of the
filters.
( no need for the first-board to be material
since they make it in the first place) .
The JOB for the final part will create the demand for both
the filters and the Outplant PO.
Vendor gets one PO. for the first-board ( like now) and add
the filters at the same time (the Outplant for the JOB).
B. I assume there is some reason you do not want the vendor to
supply the filters. Then it all goes away.
C. Hybrid - Vendor buys the filters from you - you buy the Board
complete as a purchased part.
PO- to Vendor will cause them to buy the filter from you.

If the Vendor who adds the filters is different:
A. Two PO's - one for first-board and then second for Job Outplant
operation.
JOB will create the demand for; First-Board, Filters, and
Outplant-PO
First-Board is simple PO like now; second PO is for the
Outplant for the JOB that has filters as Material
B. Vendor1 gets PO for first-board.
Vendor2 gets Outplant PO to insert filters for the JOB that has
First-board and filters as material.
C. Vendor1 gets PO for first-board.
. Vendor2 buys the filters from you and then a simple PO to him
for complete part.


len.hartka@...
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Wagner
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:38 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies




Well, it was kind of a challenge from a user! They want the purchased
part to drive the demand for the filters, even though we are still
purchasing those and then shipping them to the supplier. So basically I
want to issue the filters we buy to the purchased assembly so we can
manage the inventory and cost of the filters. When the purchase assembly
arrives we then want to receive it to inventory. I was wondering if I
could do that without having to create a subassembly containing the
purchased assembly and the filters and then having to receive that
subassembly to inventory

________________________________
From: Manasa Reddy <manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> >
To: "vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> "
<vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies


You will never get PO suggestions for a manufactured part which is what
a subassembly would be...

So I guess I am not understanding why you would want to create a
purchased part as a subassembly?

M. Manasa Reddy
mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com<mailto:mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
630.806.2000 x1515

From: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Wagner
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:59 PM
To: Vantage User Group
Subject: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies

We have circuit board assemblies which we purchase complete, except for
two filters we purchase directly and then send to our supplier to be
added to the board. We want the Purchased item to act like an assembly
so we can issue the two filters as materials, but we want to be able to
purchase the assembly to stock so we have it in inventory. I thought I
could set it up where the purchased part is a sub-assembly including the
two filters, but I have not been able to generate PO suggestions for
either the purchased assembly or the filters.

Anyone else doing something similar?

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Here is one suggestion with a BOM change -



Circuit Board Assembly with 2 filters - set this up as a Manufactured Part.



Add Materials - Purchased Circuit Board

Purchased Filters (2)



Add a Subcontract Operation for vendor to add the 2 filters





You should get PO suggestions for all the Material and a PO suggestion for
the Subcontract Operation.





From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manasa Reddy
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies





You will never get PO suggestions for a manufactured part which is what a
subassembly would be...

So I guess I am not understanding why you would want to create a purchased
part as a subassembly?

M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> <mailto:manasa@...
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> >
630.806.2000 x1515

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Mark Wagner
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:59 PM
To: Vantage User Group
Subject: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies

We have circuit board assemblies which we purchase complete, except for two
filters we purchase directly and then send to our supplier to be added to
the board. We want the Purchased item to act like an assembly so we can
issue the two filters as materials, but we want to be able to purchase the
assembly to stock so we have it in inventory. I thought I could set it up
where the purchased part is a sub-assembly including the two filters, but I
have not been able to generate PO suggestions for either the purchased
assembly or the filters.

Anyone else doing something similar?

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I was going to say something similar...create a manufactured item to drive all of it...with a subcontract op since you are sending the items to a vendor.





M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...<mailto:manasa@...>
630.806.2000 x1515

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cathy
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:16 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies



Here is one suggestion with a BOM change -

Circuit Board Assembly with 2 filters - set this up as a Manufactured Part.

Add Materials - Purchased Circuit Board

Purchased Filters (2)

Add a Subcontract Operation for vendor to add the 2 filters

You should get PO suggestions for all the Material and a PO suggestion for
the Subcontract Operation.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
Manasa Reddy
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies

You will never get PO suggestions for a manufactured part which is what a
subassembly would be...

So I guess I am not understanding why you would want to create a purchased
part as a subassembly?

M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> <mailto:manasa@...<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> >
630.806.2000 x1515

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Mark Wagner
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:59 PM
To: Vantage User Group
Subject: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies

We have circuit board assemblies which we purchase complete, except for two
filters we purchase directly and then send to our supplier to be added to
the board. We want the Purchased item to act like an assembly so we can
issue the two filters as materials, but we want to be able to purchase the
assembly to stock so we have it in inventory. I thought I could set it up
where the purchased part is a sub-assembly including the two filters, but I
have not been able to generate PO suggestions for either the purchased
assembly or the filters.

Anyone else doing something similar?

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Thanks Len and Cathy, I'll be reviewing both and see what makes sense for us


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From: Cathy <cathy@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies

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Here is one suggestion with a BOM change -

Circuit Board Assembly with 2 filters - set this up as a Manufactured Part.

Add Materials - Purchased Circuit Board

Purchased Filters (2)

Add a Subcontract Operation for vendor to add the 2 filters

You should get PO suggestions for all the Material and a PO suggestion for
the Subcontract Operation.

From: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manasa Reddy
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:28 PM
To: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies

You will never get PO suggestions for a manufactured part which is what a
subassembly would be...

So I guess I am not understanding why you would want to create a purchased
part as a subassembly?

M. Manasa Reddy
mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> <mailto:mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> >
630.806.2000 x1515

From: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Mark Wagner
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:59 PM
To: Vantage User Group
Subject: [Vantage] E9 - Purchased Assemblies

We have circuit board assemblies which we purchase complete, except for two
filters we purchase directly and then send to our supplier to be added to
the board. We want the Purchased item to act like an assembly so we can
issue the two filters as materials, but we want to be able to purchase the
assembly to stock so we have it in inventory. I thought I could set it up
where the purchased part is a sub-assembly including the two filters, but I
have not been able to generate PO suggestions for either the purchased
assembly or the filters.

Anyone else doing something similar?

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