Employee Efficiencies and Splitting Burden

Also, I don't think I answered your question directly. Here is a
generic example to show how split burden is calculated;

5 employees working the same workcenter all day (8 hrs) = 40 labor
hours. The split would be equal to 40 hrs / 5 employees = 8 burden
hours.

Does this help?

Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

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Of Robert MacDonald
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Employee Efficiencies and Splitting Burden

Bruce,

We are trying to determine the best way to setup our work centers.

In this case, we have 6 workers working on the same job (sanding), with
a total of 14.86 labor hours.

We have the work center setup as you have indicated to split the burden.

One employee has 1.25 labors, and .77 earned hours. The burden in
Vantage is .29.

Calculating his efficiency .77/.29 *100 = 265%

His actual efficiency should be 80%.

How is the split burden calculated?

We are having discussions regarding changing this type of work center to
Labor=Burden as each worker is equivalent to a machine.

What do you think?

Rob

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The appropriate work center set up would be to check the box for split
burden.

Assuming an 8 hr day, this would give the following result;

2 Workers 1 Job / 1 Workcenter: Labor Hours = 16 Burden Hours = 8

This is the exception for the way we operate. I would love to have the
ability to control this on a job by job basis as we use our workcenters
in different scenerios based on job. As of 6.1, this is not possible.

Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

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Subject: [Vantage] Employee Efficiencies and Splitting Burden

Hi All,

Our supervisors/managers have started to use the labor edit report, and
they have complained that the efficiencies are incorrect.

After checking into the issue I found that the efficiency is calculated
as; earned hrs/burden hrs * 100. The problem is, if more than one person
works on the same job the burden is split, with the result that an
individual's efficiency is wrong.

I called support but they we not much help.

Does anyone know of the proper work center maintenance setup that would
allow splitting the burden and getting the correct individual employee
efficiencies correct?

Thanks,

Rob MacDonald

Ground Effects Ltd.

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Hi All,

Our supervisors/managers have started to use the labor edit report, and
they have complained that the efficiencies are incorrect.

After checking into the issue I found that the efficiency is calculated
as; earned hrs/burden hrs * 100. The problem is, if more than one person
works on the same job the burden is split, with the result that an
individual's efficiency is wrong.

I called support but they we not much help.

Does anyone know of the proper work center maintenance setup that would
allow splitting the burden and getting the correct individual employee
efficiencies correct?

Thanks,

Rob MacDonald

Ground Effects Ltd.

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Shouldn't the Employee efficiency be based on the Burden hours and
not the labor hours.

I am assuming you have someone running 2 machines at the same time ?
where labor hours would be 4 hours to each machine but burden hours
would be 8 hours on each machine..

if this isn't what you are doing..e-mail me
marty1325@...

marty rogers

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Robert MacDonald" <rmacdonald@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Our supervisors/managers have started to use the labor edit report,
and
> they have complained that the efficiencies are incorrect.
>
> After checking into the issue I found that the efficiency is
calculated
> as; earned hrs/burden hrs * 100. The problem is, if more than one
person
> works on the same job the burden is split, with the result that an
> individual's efficiency is wrong.
>
> I called support but they we not much help.
>
> Does anyone know of the proper work center maintenance setup that
would
> allow splitting the burden and getting the correct individual
employee
> efficiencies correct?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob MacDonald
>
> Ground Effects Ltd.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Shouldn't the Employee efficiency be based on the Burden hours and
> not the labor hours.

Resource (or machine) efficiency would be based upon the burden hours.
Employee efficiency would be based on the labor hours of the task. In
most cases you should be interested in the resource and not the
employee as that is what is doing the work.

Charlie
The appropriate work center set up would be to check the box for split
burden.

Assuming an 8 hr day, this would give the following result;

2 Workers 1 Job / 1 Workcenter: Labor Hours = 16 Burden Hours = 8

This is the exception for the way we operate. I would love to have the
ability to control this on a job by job basis as we use our workcenters
in different scenerios based on job. As of 6.1, this is not possible.

Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert MacDonald
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:41 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Employee Efficiencies and Splitting Burden

Hi All,

Our supervisors/managers have started to use the labor edit report, and
they have complained that the efficiencies are incorrect.

After checking into the issue I found that the efficiency is calculated
as; earned hrs/burden hrs * 100. The problem is, if more than one person
works on the same job the burden is split, with the result that an
individual's efficiency is wrong.

I called support but they we not much help.

Does anyone know of the proper work center maintenance setup that would
allow splitting the burden and getting the correct individual employee
efficiencies correct?

Thanks,

Rob MacDonald

Ground Effects Ltd.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Bruce,

We are trying to determine the best way to setup our work centers.

In this case, we have 6 workers working on the same job (sanding), with
a total of 14.86 labor hours.

We have the work center setup as you have indicated to split the burden.

One employee has 1.25 labors, and .77 earned hours. The burden in
Vantage is .29.

Calculating his efficiency .77/.29 *100 = 265%

His actual efficiency should be 80%.

How is the split burden calculated?

We are having discussions regarding changing this type of work center to
Labor=Burden as each worker is equivalent to a machine.

What do you think?

Rob

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bruce Butler
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spam:RE: [Vantage] Employee Efficiencies and Splitting Burden

The appropriate work center set up would be to check the box for split
burden.

Assuming an 8 hr day, this would give the following result;

2 Workers 1 Job / 1 Workcenter: Labor Hours = 16 Burden Hours = 8

This is the exception for the way we operate. I would love to have the
ability to control this on a job by job basis as we use our workcenters
in different scenerios based on job. As of 6.1, this is not possible.

Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Robert MacDonald
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:41 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Employee Efficiencies and Splitting Burden

Hi All,

Our supervisors/managers have started to use the labor edit report, and
they have complained that the efficiencies are incorrect.

After checking into the issue I found that the efficiency is calculated
as; earned hrs/burden hrs * 100. The problem is, if more than one person
works on the same job the burden is split, with the result that an
individual's efficiency is wrong.

I called support but they we not much help.

Does anyone know of the proper work center maintenance setup that would
allow splitting the burden and getting the correct individual employee
efficiencies correct?

Thanks,

Rob MacDonald

Ground Effects Ltd.

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We generally look at burden as the machine + overhead, and labor as
labor. In your case it sounds like the workers are the machines. When I
recommended splitting the burden I was assuming, from your previous
entry, you had multiple workers on one "machine."

From what you say it sounds like Burden should equal labor.
Financially, your burden is going to multiply by 6 which from your
example sounds right. This should also correct the efficiency.

I have two documents we generated to keep this somewhat straight in our
heads. If interested email me, and I will send it to you.

Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Employee Efficiencies and Splitting Burden

Bruce,

We are trying to determine the best way to setup our work centers.

In this case, we have 6 workers working on the same job (sanding), with
a total of 14.86 labor hours.

We have the work center setup as you have indicated to split the burden.

One employee has 1.25 labors, and .77 earned hours. The burden in
Vantage is .29.

Calculating his efficiency .77/.29 *100 = 265%

His actual efficiency should be 80%.

How is the split burden calculated?

We are having discussions regarding changing this type of work center to
Labor=Burden as each worker is equivalent to a machine.

What do you think?

Rob

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Bruce Butler
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Spam:RE: [Vantage] Employee Efficiencies and Splitting Burden

The appropriate work center set up would be to check the box for split
burden.

Assuming an 8 hr day, this would give the following result;

2 Workers 1 Job / 1 Workcenter: Labor Hours = 16 Burden Hours = 8

This is the exception for the way we operate. I would love to have the
ability to control this on a job by job basis as we use our workcenters
in different scenerios based on job. As of 6.1, this is not possible.

Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
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Of Robert MacDonald
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:41 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Employee Efficiencies and Splitting Burden

Hi All,

Our supervisors/managers have started to use the labor edit report, and
they have complained that the efficiencies are incorrect.

After checking into the issue I found that the efficiency is calculated
as; earned hrs/burden hrs * 100. The problem is, if more than one person
works on the same job the burden is split, with the result that an
individual's efficiency is wrong.

I called support but they we not much help.

Does anyone know of the proper work center maintenance setup that would
allow splitting the burden and getting the correct individual employee
efficiencies correct?

Thanks,

Rob MacDonald

Ground Effects Ltd.

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