FOB Survey Question - Please respond direct to Mpl a

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I think we are doing it right, here in Illinois because the SHIPping co.
backs their SHIPping container (truck) up to our loadingDOCK and we take the
guardRAIL down and transfer the goods onboard the SHIPping container at
which time they are FREE to deport our loading DOCK.
Marc Durre
Durre Bros

----Original Message-----
From: Keith . Mailloux [mailto:kmailloux@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 9:28 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] FOB Survey Question - Please respond direct to
Mpl adson@epicor.c om

Mark,

We would like the use of a seperate table with records selected via drop
down but request a change to reflect proper use of this field. I suggest
Epicor review the proper terminology of transfer/ownership terms. The term
FOB is improperly used by most all American companies. There is no such
thing as FOB terms, trade terms are defined internationally by the ICC
International Chamber of Commerce. These terms are referred to as Incoterms.
The terms specified on a sales order form a contractual obligation on the
terms of sale and should be reviewed carefully.

FOB for instance is a term which would only be specified should ownership
transfer at a ship's rail. Shipping "FOB factory" implies you have a ship in
your factory. While we are located in RI, we do not have such a condition.

Ideally two fields are required, one a drop down box which offers the
Incoterms and a second field which could be filled in to show the physical
location where transfer takes place.
Example: Exworks Philadelphia
FAS New York
DDU Tokyo

I suggest that prior to making any changes, someone review the ICC Incoterms
and promote proper use and application of these terms. There are 13
different terms the ICC recognizes. It may save someone legal fees
regarding transfer of title.

You can find a great handbook on this from ICC Publishing at
www.iccbooks.com called Incoterms 2000.

Hope this is useful.

Keith
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Mark,

We only use our city name for FOB. Put us down as a

> 2) Small number of variations (2-4) very generic like
> destination, origin
> or my city name

Darren Mann
IS Manager
Miller Products Co.
Osceola, IA
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Mark,

We would like the use of a seperate table with records selected via drop
down but request a change to reflect proper use of this field. I suggest
Epicor review the proper terminology of transfer/ownership terms. The term
FOB is improperly used by most all American companies. There is no such
thing as FOB terms, trade terms are defined internationally by the ICC
International Chamber of Commerce. These terms are referred to as Incoterms.
The terms specified on a sales order form a contractual obligation on the
terms of sale and should be reviewed carefully.

FOB for instance is a term which would only be specified should ownership
transfer at a ship's rail. Shipping "FOB factory" implies you have a ship in
your factory. While we are located in RI, we do not have such a condition.

Ideally two fields are required, one a drop down box which offers the
Incoterms and a second field which could be filled in to show the physical
location where transfer takes place.
Example: Exworks Philadelphia
FAS New York
DDU Tokyo

I suggest that prior to making any changes, someone review the ICC Incoterms
and promote proper use and application of these terms. There are 13
different terms the ICC recognizes. It may save someone legal fees
regarding transfer of title.

You can find a great handbook on this from ICC Publishing at
www.iccbooks.com called Incoterms 2000.

Hope this is useful.

Keith

I am looking at possible complications of implementing a request that
Vantage validate the current FOB field. With this enhancement we would add
a table with the possible FOB descriptions and let the user only choose from
that list. Since this is the point at which legal title transfers to the
buyer it makes sense to control the contents of the field. As you know this
field has always been free form and this change would force the description
to come from a table which would have to be entered by someone before you
could ship or invoice.

I have seen many customers with very simple descriptions in this field like
our plant, your plant, origin, destination or the city of the plant you are
shipping from. I have not personally seen hundreds of FOB descriptions
corresponding to all the possible destinations of the product worldwide.

So please let me know where your company stands on FOB

1) Never filled it in and don't care

2) Small number of variations (2-4) very generic like destination, origin
or my city name

3) Moderate number of variations (4-10) based on my plant locations
Minneapolis, Chicago, New Munich etc.

4) Large number of variations, one for every city that Target, Wal-Mart or
K-Mart has a store

5) I have no clue where the product is going until the customer calls for
release and must have the ability to maintain a free form field

Thanks in advance for your response. I will provide feedback to one list
members on your responses in one-two weeks.


> Mark Pladson
> Product Manager / Vantage
> Epicor Software Corporation
> www.epicor.com
> Phone # 952-417-5187
> Fax # 952-582-5478
> email address MPladson@...
>
>

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