Hardware Question Server 2003 Memory

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Again thanks to all with the /PAE advice and the boot.ini help. Server reboot over the weekend mae it take effect and "My Computer" properties screen now shows 8GB plus a note beneath that says "Physical Address Extension". Now I can go tune Vantage to try to utilize it as much as possible.
Thanks again,
-Todd C.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:43 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Hardware Question Server 2003 Memory


Hey Dan,

Microsoft has added a feature called Physical Address Extension (PAE) that will allow the 32 Bit Enterprise Edition of Windows Server 2003/2008 to utilize up to 64GB of RAM. Here are the instructions for enabling the feature:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc758228.aspx

This is great for people who want to utilize more system RAM without having to upgrade to 64 bit OS's.

Regards,

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
<http://www.aspacia.com/> http://www.aspacia.com/

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of dmaddox@...<mailto:dmaddox%40maine.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Hardware Question Server 2003 Memory

Todd,

I don't have all the MS OS's memorized as to whether they are 32-bit or 64-bit, but I can tell you that if the MS OS you're using is only 32-bit, you will only ever see 4GB (max) RAM. Only when you're running x64 will you be able to detect more than 4GB RAM. Even some of our Dell workstations (on 32-bit XP) only report 3.5GB due to hardware overhead.

Sorry about the abbreviated response earlier-I got sidetracked.

Dan

> ---- Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com> <mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com> > wrote:
> > One for the hardware gurus....
> > The discussion of server issues, memory and OS got me to looking at my setup and I've discovered a possible hardware failure on my Vantage 6.1 server. It is running Server 2003 R2 Enterprise and is supposed to have 8GB of RAM. Right clicking "My Computer" shows 3.25GB but I've seen this figure lie from time to time on other Windows systems. Running MSINFO32 shows physical memory of 3.32GB...so now I'm getting worried. Task Manager shows 3.4GB. When I pretend to want to change the virtual memory settings it recommends only 4.9GB.
> >
> > So....it looks like Windows is not seeing 8GB and I may have a memory failure issue. I believe the system was configured as 4 X 2GB meaning one pair or bank is missing. If I recall the memory must be in pairs on a HP DL380 G5 so losing one module would disable the second in that bank so this makes some sense.
> >
> > The questions I have are....
> > 1) Is there a good reliable (and free) memory reporting tool that will show me the true physical memory? Or are the above indicators reliable enough?
> > 2) Might there be a setting in Windows 2003 R2 Ent. that is throttling the memory at 4GB or so?
> > 3) Would the dual physical CPUs have anything to do with memory reporting....such as each seeing a different 4GB?
> >
> > If this is what I think it is I need to schedule downtime this weekend and also hit the vendor for a warranty replacement.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Todd Caughey
> > Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> > (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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One for the hardware gurus....
The discussion of server issues, memory and OS got me to looking at my setup and I've discovered a possible hardware failure on my Vantage 6.1 server. It is running Server 2003 R2 Enterprise and is supposed to have 8GB of RAM. Right clicking "My Computer" shows 3.25GB but I've seen this figure lie from time to time on other Windows systems. Running MSINFO32 shows physical memory of 3.32GB...so now I'm getting worried. Task Manager shows 3.4GB. When I pretend to want to change the virtual memory settings it recommends only 4.9GB.

So....it looks like Windows is not seeing 8GB and I may have a memory failure issue. I believe the system was configured as 4 X 2GB meaning one pair or bank is missing. If I recall the memory must be in pairs on a HP DL380 G5 so losing one module would disable the second in that bank so this makes some sense.

The questions I have are....
1) Is there a good reliable (and free) memory reporting tool that will show me the true physical memory? Or are the above indicators reliable enough?
2) Might there be a setting in Windows 2003 R2 Ent. that is throttling the memory at 4GB or so?
3) Would the dual physical CPUs have anything to do with memory reporting....such as each seeing a different 4GB?

If this is what I think it is I need to schedule downtime this weekend and also hit the vendor for a warranty replacement.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.


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Even with 'Enterprise' edition, server will not 'see' memory above
3.5 Gb unles /pae switch is included in boot.ini file AFAIK

bw

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:
>
> One for the hardware gurus....
> The discussion of server issues, memory and OS got me to looking at
my setup and I've discovered a possible hardware failure on my
Vantage 6.1 server. It is running Server 2003 R2 Enterprise and is
supposed to have 8GB of RAM. Right clicking "My Computer" shows
3.25GB but I've seen this figure lie from time to time on other
Windows systems. Running MSINFO32 shows physical memory of
3.32GB...so now I'm getting worried. Task Manager shows 3.4GB. When
I pretend to want to change the virtual memory settings it recommends
only 4.9GB.
>
> So....it looks like Windows is not seeing 8GB and I may have a
memory failure issue. I believe the system was configured as 4 X 2GB
meaning one pair or bank is missing. If I recall the memory must be
in pairs on a HP DL380 G5 so losing one module would disable the
second in that bank so this makes some sense.
>
> The questions I have are....
> 1) Is there a good reliable (and free) memory reporting tool that
will show me the true physical memory? Or are the above indicators
reliable enough?
> 2) Might there be a setting in Windows 2003 R2 Ent. that is
throttling the memory at 4GB or so?
> 3) Would the dual physical CPUs have anything to do with memory
reporting....such as each seeing a different 4GB?
>
> If this is what I think it is I need to schedule downtime this
weekend and also hit the vendor for a warranty replacement.
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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I do not know of a tool just for checking memory but I use NEWT Professional
by Komoto Laboratories which does a great job of both Hardware and Software
Inventory of both PCs and Servers. They have a Freeware version but I am not
sure what it exactly what it excludes versus the paid for version

Scott Litzau, MCP
Olympus Flag & Banner
Information Systems Manager
scott.litzau@...
P: 414-365-9732
F: 414-355-1931


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:07 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Hardware Question Server 2003 Memory

One for the hardware gurus....
The discussion of server issues, memory and OS got me to looking at my setup
and I've discovered a possible hardware failure on my Vantage 6.1 server.
It is running Server 2003 R2 Enterprise and is supposed to have 8GB of RAM.
Right clicking "My Computer" shows 3.25GB but I've seen this figure lie from
time to time on other Windows systems. Running MSINFO32 shows physical
memory of 3.32GB...so now I'm getting worried. Task Manager shows 3.4GB.
When I pretend to want to change the virtual memory settings it recommends
only 4.9GB.

So....it looks like Windows is not seeing 8GB and I may have a memory
failure issue. I believe the system was configured as 4 X 2GB meaning one
pair or bank is missing. If I recall the memory must be in pairs on a HP
DL380 G5 so losing one module would disable the second in that bank so this
makes some sense.

The questions I have are....
1) Is there a good reliable (and free) memory reporting tool that will show
me the true physical memory? Or are the above indicators reliable enough?
2) Might there be a setting in Windows 2003 R2 Ent. that is throttling the
memory at 4GB or so?
3) Would the dual physical CPUs have anything to do with memory
reporting....such as each seeing a different 4GB?

If this is what I think it is I need to schedule downtime this weekend and
also hit the vendor for a warranty replacement.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.


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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
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in windows 2003 enterprise, there is a switch you have to add to boot.ini to make it see more than 4GB ram. ms has a kb article on it, you can search it at support.microsoft.com.


Thanks,
Kunal



----- Original Message ----
From: Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...>
To: "vantage@yahoogroups.com" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:06:48 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Hardware Question Server 2003 Memory


One for the hardware gurus....
The discussion of server issues, memory and OS got me to looking at my setup and I've discovered a possible hardware failure on my Vantage 6.1 server. It is running Server 2003 R2 Enterprise and is supposed to have 8GB of RAM. Right clicking "My Computer" shows 3.25GB but I've seen this figure lie from time to time on other Windows systems. Running MSINFO32 shows physical memory of 3.32GB...so now I'm getting worried. Task Manager shows 3.4GB. When I pretend to want to change the virtual memory settings it recommends only 4.9GB.

So....it looks like Windows is not seeing 8GB and I may have a memory failure issue. I believe the system was configured as 4 X 2GB meaning one pair or bank is missing. If I recall the memory must be in pairs on a HP DL380 G5 so losing one module would disable the second in that bank so this makes some sense.

The questions I have are....
1) Is there a good reliable (and free) memory reporting tool that will show me the true physical memory? Or are the above indicators reliable enough?
2) Might there be a setting in Windows 2003 R2 Ent. that is throttling the memory at 4GB or so?
3) Would the dual physical CPUs have anything to do with memory reporting... .such as each seeing a different 4GB?

If this is what I think it is I need to schedule downtime this weekend and also hit the vendor for a warranty replacement.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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I usually go to www.crucial.com and run their memory scanner, shows what is installed, empty banks
and max memory for the system.Â



----- Original Message ----
From: Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...>
To: "vantage@yahoogroups.com" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:06:48 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Hardware Question Server 2003 Memory


One for the hardware gurus....
The discussion of server issues, memory and OS got me to looking at my setup and I've discovered a possible hardware failure on my Vantage 6.1 server. It is running Server 2003 R2 Enterprise and is supposed to have 8GB of RAM. Right clicking "My Computer" shows 3.25GB but I've seen this figure lie from time to time on other Windows systems. Running MSINFO32 shows physical memory of 3.32GB...so now I'm getting worried. Task Manager shows 3.4GB. When I pretend to want to change the virtual memory settings it recommends only 4.9GB.

So....it looks like Windows is not seeing 8GB and I may have a memory failure issue. I believe the system was configured as 4 X 2GB meaning one pair or bank is missing. If I recall the memory must be in pairs on a HP DL380 G5 so losing one module would disable the second in that bank so this makes some sense.

The questions I have are....
1) Is there a good reliable (and free) memory reporting tool that will show me the true physical memory? Or are the above indicators reliable enough?
2) Might there be a setting in Windows 2003 R2 Ent. that is throttling the memory at 4GB or so?
3) Would the dual physical CPUs have anything to do with memory reporting... .such as each seeing a different 4GB?

If this is what I think it is I need to schedule downtime this weekend and also hit the vendor for a warranty replacement.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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Thanks to all for the 4GB+ switch info and also Darren for the Crucial web site hardware scanner (very cool). The scanner shows 8GB in the 4X2GB config so it must be the /PAE switch. Not really happy that the VAR who configured the system did not know to set this or tell me to set it when the second 4GB arrived later after being backordered. Maybe the tech and the sales guy did not talk to each other about the final config.
Thanks again,
-Todd C.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darren Giordano
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Hardware Question Server 2003 Memory


I usually go to www.crucial.com and run their memory scanner, shows what is installed, empty banks
and max memory for the system.

----- Original Message ----
From: Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com>>
To: "vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>" <vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:06:48 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Hardware Question Server 2003 Memory

One for the hardware gurus....
The discussion of server issues, memory and OS got me to looking at my setup and I've discovered a possible hardware failure on my Vantage 6.1 server. It is running Server 2003 R2 Enterprise and is supposed to have 8GB of RAM. Right clicking "My Computer" shows 3.25GB but I've seen this figure lie from time to time on other Windows systems. Running MSINFO32 shows physical memory of 3.32GB...so now I'm getting worried. Task Manager shows 3.4GB. When I pretend to want to change the virtual memory settings it recommends only 4.9GB.

So....it looks like Windows is not seeing 8GB and I may have a memory failure issue. I believe the system was configured as 4 X 2GB meaning one pair or bank is missing. If I recall the memory must be in pairs on a HP DL380 G5 so losing one module would disable the second in that bank so this makes some sense.

The questions I have are....
1) Is there a good reliable (and free) memory reporting tool that will show me the true physical memory? Or are the above indicators reliable enough?
2) Might there be a setting in Windows 2003 R2 Ent. that is throttling the memory at 4GB or so?
3) Would the dual physical CPUs have anything to do with memory reporting... .such as each seeing a different 4GB?

If this is what I think it is I need to schedule downtime this weekend and also hit the vendor for a warranty replacement.

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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Todd,

I don't have all the MS OS's memorized as to whether they are 32-bit or 64-bit, but I can tell you that if the MS OS you're using is only 32-bit, you will only ever see 4GB (max) RAM. Only when you're running x64

---- Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:
> One for the hardware gurus....
> The discussion of server issues, memory and OS got me to looking at my setup and I've discovered a possible hardware failure on my Vantage 6.1 server. It is running Server 2003 R2 Enterprise and is supposed to have 8GB of RAM. Right clicking "My Computer" shows 3.25GB but I've seen this figure lie from time to time on other Windows systems. Running MSINFO32 shows physical memory of 3.32GB...so now I'm getting worried. Task Manager shows 3.4GB. When I pretend to want to change the virtual memory settings it recommends only 4.9GB.
>
> So....it looks like Windows is not seeing 8GB and I may have a memory failure issue. I believe the system was configured as 4 X 2GB meaning one pair or bank is missing. If I recall the memory must be in pairs on a HP DL380 G5 so losing one module would disable the second in that bank so this makes some sense.
>
> The questions I have are....
> 1) Is there a good reliable (and free) memory reporting tool that will show me the true physical memory? Or are the above indicators reliable enough?
> 2) Might there be a setting in Windows 2003 R2 Ent. that is throttling the memory at 4GB or so?
> 3) Would the dual physical CPUs have anything to do with memory reporting....such as each seeing a different 4GB?
>
> If this is what I think it is I need to schedule downtime this weekend and also hit the vendor for a warranty replacement.
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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Todd,

I don't have all the MS OS's memorized as to whether they are 32-bit or 64-bit, but I can tell you that if the MS OS you're using is only 32-bit, you will only ever see 4GB (max) RAM. Only when you're running x64 will you be able to detect more than 4GB RAM. Even some of our Dell workstations (on 32-bit XP) only report 3.5GB due to hardware overhead.

Sorry about the abbreviated response earlier-I got sidetracked.

Dan

> ---- Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:
> > One for the hardware gurus....
> > The discussion of server issues, memory and OS got me to looking at my setup and I've discovered a possible hardware failure on my Vantage 6.1 server. It is running Server 2003 R2 Enterprise and is supposed to have 8GB of RAM. Right clicking "My Computer" shows 3.25GB but I've seen this figure lie from time to time on other Windows systems. Running MSINFO32 shows physical memory of 3.32GB...so now I'm getting worried. Task Manager shows 3.4GB. When I pretend to want to change the virtual memory settings it recommends only 4.9GB.
> >
> > So....it looks like Windows is not seeing 8GB and I may have a memory failure issue. I believe the system was configured as 4 X 2GB meaning one pair or bank is missing. If I recall the memory must be in pairs on a HP DL380 G5 so losing one module would disable the second in that bank so this makes some sense.
> >
> > The questions I have are....
> > 1) Is there a good reliable (and free) memory reporting tool that will show me the true physical memory? Or are the above indicators reliable enough?
> > 2) Might there be a setting in Windows 2003 R2 Ent. that is throttling the memory at 4GB or so?
> > 3) Would the dual physical CPUs have anything to do with memory reporting....such as each seeing a different 4GB?
> >
> > If this is what I think it is I need to schedule downtime this weekend and also hit the vendor for a warranty replacement.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Todd Caughey
> > Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> > (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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All 32 bit XP systems with 4GB of memory will report less than that because of hardware resources. I have never had an Enterprise Edition of Windows Server but from what I have read you must use the /PAE switch in the boot.ini file if you need to access more than 4 GB of memory. .

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dmaddox@...
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Hardware Question Server 2003 Memory


Todd,

I don't have all the MS OS's memorized as to whether they are 32-bit or 64-bit, but I can tell you that if the MS OS you're using is only 32-bit, you will only ever see 4GB (max) RAM. Only when you're running x64 will you be able to detect more than 4GB RAM. Even some of our Dell workstations (on 32-bit XP) only report 3.5GB due to hardware overhead.

Sorry about the abbreviated response earlier-I got sidetracked.

Dan

> ---- Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com>> wrote:
> > One for the hardware gurus....
> > The discussion of server issues, memory and OS got me to looking at my setup and I've discovered a possible hardware failure on my Vantage 6.1 server. It is running Server 2003 R2 Enterprise and is supposed to have 8GB of RAM. Right clicking "My Computer" shows 3.25GB but I've seen this figure lie from time to time on other Windows systems. Running MSINFO32 shows physical memory of 3.32GB...so now I'm getting worried. Task Manager shows 3.4GB. When I pretend to want to change the virtual memory settings it recommends only 4.9GB.
> >
> > So....it looks like Windows is not seeing 8GB and I may have a memory failure issue. I believe the system was configured as 4 X 2GB meaning one pair or bank is missing. If I recall the memory must be in pairs on a HP DL380 G5 so losing one module would disable the second in that bank so this makes some sense.
> >
> > The questions I have are....
> > 1) Is there a good reliable (and free) memory reporting tool that will show me the true physical memory? Or are the above indicators reliable enough?
> > 2) Might there be a setting in Windows 2003 R2 Ent. that is throttling the memory at 4GB or so?
> > 3) Would the dual physical CPUs have anything to do with memory reporting....such as each seeing a different 4GB?
> >
> > If this is what I think it is I need to schedule downtime this weekend and also hit the vendor for a warranty replacement.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Todd Caughey
> > Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> > (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


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It is 32-bit Enterprise edition so should support up to 64GB although I believe the HP specs max out at 32GB (8 X 4GB modules) on the motherboard and BIOS.

I tried setting the /PAE switch last night but found accessing the boot.ini file is more difficult than expected. I could not seem to get an option for this in BOOTCFG and did not attempt to directly Notepad edit the file itself...yet. Because rebooting the Vantage server is so disruptive it will now wait for the weekend. In the mean time I am researching the need for and use of the /3GB switch and if that has any bearing on Vangate/Progress 9.1d being able to use more of the memory.

Thanks (and to Charles too),
-Todd C.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dmaddox@...
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Hardware Question Server 2003 Memory


Todd,

I don't have all the MS OS's memorized as to whether they are 32-bit or 64-bit, but I can tell you that if the MS OS you're using is only 32-bit, you will only ever see 4GB (max) RAM. Only when you're running x64 will you be able to detect more than 4GB RAM. Even some of our Dell workstations (on 32-bit XP) only report 3.5GB due to hardware overhead.

Sorry about the abbreviated response earlier-I got sidetracked.

Dan

> ---- Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com>> wrote:
> > One for the hardware gurus....
> > The discussion of server issues, memory and OS got me to looking at my setup and I've discovered a possible hardware failure on my Vantage 6.1 server. It is running Server 2003 R2 Enterprise and is supposed to have 8GB of RAM. Right clicking "My Computer" shows 3.25GB but I've seen this figure lie from time to time on other Windows systems. Running MSINFO32 shows physical memory of 3.32GB...so now I'm getting worried. Task Manager shows 3.4GB. When I pretend to want to change the virtual memory settings it recommends only 4.9GB.
> >
> > So....it looks like Windows is not seeing 8GB and I may have a memory failure issue. I believe the system was configured as 4 X 2GB meaning one pair or bank is missing. If I recall the memory must be in pairs on a HP DL380 G5 so losing one module would disable the second in that bank so this makes some sense.
> >
> > The questions I have are....
> > 1) Is there a good reliable (and free) memory reporting tool that will show me the true physical memory? Or are the above indicators reliable enough?
> > 2) Might there be a setting in Windows 2003 R2 Ent. that is throttling the memory at 4GB or so?
> > 3) Would the dual physical CPUs have anything to do with memory reporting....such as each seeing a different 4GB?
> >
> > If this is what I think it is I need to schedule downtime this weekend and also hit the vendor for a warranty replacement.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Todd Caughey
> > Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> > (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>




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Todd,
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Here is how I edited my boot.ini
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1.
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2.
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3.
Under System Startup, click Edit.
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--- On Thu, 8/14/08, Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:

From: Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Hardware Question Server 2003 Memory
To: "vantage@yahoogroups.com" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 2:15 PM






It is 32-bit Enterprise edition so should support up to 64GB although I believe the HP specs max out at 32GB (8 X 4GB modules) on the motherboard and BIOS.

I tried setting the /PAE switch last night but found accessing the boot.ini file is more difficult than expected. I could not seem to get an option for this in BOOTCFG and did not attempt to directly Notepad edit the file itself...yet. Because rebooting the Vantage server is so disruptive it will now wait for the weekend. In the mean time I am researching the need for and use of the /3GB switch and if that has any bearing on Vangate/Progress 9.1d being able to use more of the memory.

Thanks (and to Charles too),
-Todd C.

____________ _________ _________ __
From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of dmaddox@maine. rr.com
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Hardware Question Server 2003 Memory

Todd,

I don't have all the MS OS's memorized as to whether they are 32-bit or 64-bit, but I can tell you that if the MS OS you're using is only 32-bit, you will only ever see 4GB (max) RAM. Only when you're running x64 will you be able to detect more than 4GB RAM. Even some of our Dell workstations (on 32-bit XP) only report 3.5GB due to hardware overhead.

Sorry about the abbreviated response earlier-I got sidetracked.

Dan

> ---- Todd Caughey <caugheyt@harveyvoge l.com<mailto:caugheyt% 40harveyvogel. com>> wrote:
> > One for the hardware gurus....
> > The discussion of server issues, memory and OS got me to looking at my setup and I've discovered a possible hardware failure on my Vantage 6.1 server. It is running Server 2003 R2 Enterprise and is supposed to have 8GB of RAM. Right clicking "My Computer" shows 3.25GB but I've seen this figure lie from time to time on other Windows systems. Running MSINFO32 shows physical memory of 3.32GB...so now I'm getting worried. Task Manager shows 3.4GB. When I pretend to want to change the virtual memory settings it recommends only 4.9GB.
> >
> > So....it looks like Windows is not seeing 8GB and I may have a memory failure issue. I believe the system was configured as 4 X 2GB meaning one pair or bank is missing. If I recall the memory must be in pairs on a HP DL380 G5 so losing one module would disable the second in that bank so this makes some sense.
> >
> > The questions I have are....
> > 1) Is there a good reliable (and free) memory reporting tool that will show me the true physical memory? Or are the above indicators reliable enough?
> > 2) Might there be a setting in Windows 2003 R2 Ent. that is throttling the memory at 4GB or so?
> > 3) Would the dual physical CPUs have anything to do with memory reporting... .such as each seeing a different 4GB?
> >
> > If this is what I think it is I need to schedule downtime this weekend and also hit the vendor for a warranty replacement.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Todd Caughey
> > Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > ------------ --------- --------- ------
> >
> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vantage/ files/.
> > (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vantage/ messages
> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vantage/ linksYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vantage/ files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vantage/ messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vantage/ linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Hey Dan,



Microsoft has added a feature called Physical Address Extension (PAE) that will allow the 32 Bit Enterprise Edition of Windows Server 2003/2008 to utilize up to 64GB of RAM. Here are the instructions for enabling the feature:



http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc758228.aspx



This is great for people who want to utilize more system RAM without having to upgrade to 64 bit OS’s.



Regards,



Michael



Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
<http://www.aspacia.com/> http://www.aspacia.com/




From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dmaddox@...
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Hardware Question Server 2003 Memory



Todd,

I don't have all the MS OS's memorized as to whether they are 32-bit or 64-bit, but I can tell you that if the MS OS you're using is only 32-bit, you will only ever see 4GB (max) RAM. Only when you're running x64 will you be able to detect more than 4GB RAM. Even some of our Dell workstations (on 32-bit XP) only report 3.5GB due to hardware overhead.

Sorry about the abbreviated response earlier-I got sidetracked.

Dan

> ---- Todd Caughey <caugheyt@... <mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com> > wrote:
> > One for the hardware gurus....
> > The discussion of server issues, memory and OS got me to looking at my setup and I've discovered a possible hardware failure on my Vantage 6.1 server. It is running Server 2003 R2 Enterprise and is supposed to have 8GB of RAM. Right clicking "My Computer" shows 3.25GB but I've seen this figure lie from time to time on other Windows systems. Running MSINFO32 shows physical memory of 3.32GB...so now I'm getting worried. Task Manager shows 3.4GB. When I pretend to want to change the virtual memory settings it recommends only 4.9GB.
> >
> > So....it looks like Windows is not seeing 8GB and I may have a memory failure issue. I believe the system was configured as 4 X 2GB meaning one pair or bank is missing. If I recall the memory must be in pairs on a HP DL380 G5 so losing one module would disable the second in that bank so this makes some sense.
> >
> > The questions I have are....
> > 1) Is there a good reliable (and free) memory reporting tool that will show me the true physical memory? Or are the above indicators reliable enough?
> > 2) Might there be a setting in Windows 2003 R2 Ent. that is throttling the memory at 4GB or so?
> > 3) Would the dual physical CPUs have anything to do with memory reporting....such as each seeing a different 4GB?
> >
> > If this is what I think it is I need to schedule downtime this weekend and also hit the vendor for a warranty replacement.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Todd Caughey
> > Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> > (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>





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