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One thing that I noticed on the Red Dots is that if your Current
Inventory for a particular Stocked Material is less than the job
requirements, it'll be flagged as Red.

This is quite contrary to what we normally practice in our business,
as we'd like to keep stock levels minimum and we issues materials a
few times across the lifespan of the job.

In most of our cases we keep 2 week's worth of supply (100) for a job
that runs 3 to 4 months (600). And we replenish/PO and issues on a
weekly/bi weekly basis as the job goes along. Based on this, the Job
will have a Red Dot all across its lifespan until the final week of
material issues. Where our quantity on hand will actually exceeds what
the job needs.

I were expecting it to look into the Time Phase and the projected
materials delivery to mark a material as critical(red) or not. Seems
like it doesnt do that, but instead only looks at the Quantity On Hand.

Regards.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...> wrote:
>
> Yup... That covers it.
>
> All of those things are better communicated via Buyers workbench or
Planning workbench in an MRP environment.
>
> Your observation of the false red dot coming from a part that may
have had a receipt backed out and redone is interesting as it 'rings
true' with what I remember of what I referred to in the prior email as
a remaining rare bug.
>
> I think inspection failures (with eventual DMR acceptance) and
reverse ISSUES to jobs may also 'confuse' the logic.
>
> Rob
>
2
In job tracker, there are different icons for operations and materials.

If a operation or material has a constraint, there is Red dot in the middle of the icon. Does anybody know how to figure out what the constraint is?

Thanks,
Jasper


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Hi, this is an old thread, but I'd like to bring this up again if
anyone knows the answer, Vantage Help 6.1 just states
A material with a red dot as

"Material requirement that has a constraint
(i.e. it is in an overloaded work center)"

It tells you it's a constraint, but it doesn't say anything about how
it came to those constraint. It's like Epicor's dangling a carrot in
front of their customers with their help files!

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Jasper Recto" <jrecto@...> wrote:
>
> In job tracker, there are different icons for operations and materials.
>
> If a operation or material has a constraint, there is Red dot in the
middle of the icon. Does anybody know how to figure out what the
constraint is?
>
> Thanks,
> Jasper
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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I've been doing some testing on my own,
For example, if the stock balance for part A falls below 55 after a
job, it will be given the red DOT.

Why below 55? Is there a magic bullet to 55? Safety stock for this
part is set to zero, 55 is not related to the next job which requires
30. I don't see any reasons for vantage to decide marking the part A
as 'red dot' when it gets below 55 in balance, (time phase)

But for another part, the material can be well over 55 but it's still
labeled with the red dot. Can anyone help? Do I need to worry about
the Red Dots? How do I differentiate between Red Dots which are a
cause of concern compared with red dots which are a false positive?

In the case above, the materials on hand is sufficient for both active
jobs, and as such, I'd expect the material to be problem free.
And thus the question on the red dots arises. What did Vantage see
that indicates this material as problematic?


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "eltaria.foong" <eltaria.foong@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, this is an old thread, but I'd like to bring this up again if
> anyone knows the answer, Vantage Help 6.1 just states
> A material with a red dot as
>
> "Material requirement that has a constraint
> (i.e. it is in an overloaded work center)"
>
> It tells you it's a constraint, but it doesn't say anything about how
> it came to those constraint. It's like Epicor's dangling a carrot in
> front of their customers with their help files!
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Jasper Recto" <jrecto@> wrote:
> >
> > In job tracker, there are different icons for operations and
materials.
> >
> > If a operation or material has a constraint, there is Red dot in the
> middle of the icon. Does anybody know how to figure out what the
> constraint is?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jasper
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
5
Just wait until you go to v8 and the red dots mean: NOTHING.

A year of piloting (where we discovered within an hour the 'red dots' mean nothing in our process) and being live and our planners still can't resist wasting time trying to glean SOME usefull meaning from the color codes of the material tree view.

I guess they look good on a powerpoint scripted demo when selling the next sucker on vantage.

Rob Brown

--- On Wed, 9/24/08, eltaria.foong <eltaria.foong@...> wrote:
From: eltaria.foong <eltaria.foong@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Icons
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 11:36 PM











I've been doing some testing on my own,

For example, if the stock balance for part A falls below 55 after a

job, it will be given the red DOT.



Why below 55? Is there a magic bullet to 55? Safety stock for this

part is set to zero, 55 is not related to the next job which requires

30. I don't see any reasons for vantage to decide marking the part A

as 'red dot' when it gets below 55 in balance, (time phase)



But for another part, the material can be well over 55 but it's still

labeled with the red dot. Can anyone help? Do I need to worry about

the Red Dots? How do I differentiate between Red Dots which are a

cause of concern compared with red dots which are a false positive?



In the case above, the materials on hand is sufficient for both active

jobs, and as such, I'd expect the material to be problem free.

And thus the question on the red dots arises. What did Vantage see

that indicates this material as problematic?



--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, "eltaria.foong" <eltaria.foong@ ...> wrote:

>

> Hi, this is an old thread, but I'd like to bring this up again if

> anyone knows the answer, Vantage Help 6.1 just states

> A material with a red dot as

>

> "Material requirement that has a constraint

> (i.e. it is in an overloaded work center)"

>

> It tells you it's a constraint, but it doesn't say anything about how

> it came to those constraint. It's like Epicor's dangling a carrot in

> front of their customers with their help files!

>

> --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, "Jasper Recto" <jrecto@> wrote:

> >

> > In job tracker, there are different icons for operations and

materials.

> >

> > If a operation or material has a constraint, there is Red dot in the

> middle of the icon. Does anybody know how to figure out what the

> constraint is?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Jasper

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>
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Rob I concur.

Thanks for the information, I'll tell the planners to just ignore the
dots then. But I'll have a hard time explaining it to some of our
customers who wants to look into how we manage our jobs/materials.

PS :)
I can't resist it either.
As a programmer myself, there must be a reason why it turned red!
Maybe some hot shot vantage programmer thinks it's funny and threw in
an easter egg in Vantage.

He'll laugh out loud now if he reads about us trying to find out what
his red dots means...
It really boggles my mind sometimes, on the way Vantage was programmed.


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...> wrote:
>
> Just wait until you go to v8 and the red dots mean: NOTHING.
>
> A year of piloting (where we discovered within an hour the 'red
dots' mean nothing in our process) and being live and our planners
still can't resist wasting time trying to glean SOME usefull meaning
from the color codes of the material tree view.
>
> I guess they look good on a powerpoint scripted demo when selling
the next sucker on vantage.
>
> Rob Brown
>
> --- On Wed, 9/24/08, eltaria.foong <eltaria.foong@...> wrote:
> From: eltaria.foong <eltaria.foong@...>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Icons
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 11:36 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I've been doing some testing on my own,
>
> For example, if the stock balance for part A falls below 55 after a
>
> job, it will be given the red DOT.
>
>
>
> Why below 55? Is there a magic bullet to 55? Safety stock for this
>
> part is set to zero, 55 is not related to the next job which requires
>
> 30. I don't see any reasons for vantage to decide marking the part A
>
> as 'red dot' when it gets below 55 in balance, (time phase)
>
>
>
> But for another part, the material can be well over 55 but it's still
>
> labeled with the red dot. Can anyone help? Do I need to worry about
>
> the Red Dots? How do I differentiate between Red Dots which are a
>
> cause of concern compared with red dots which are a false positive?
>
>
>
> In the case above, the materials on hand is sufficient for both active
>
> jobs, and as such, I'd expect the material to be problem free.
>
> And thus the question on the red dots arises. What did Vantage see
>
> that indicates this material as problematic?
>
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, "eltaria.foong" <eltaria.foong@
...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Hi, this is an old thread, but I'd like to bring this up again if
>
> > anyone knows the answer, Vantage Help 6.1 just states
>
> > A material with a red dot as
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
> > It tells you it's a constraint, but it doesn't say anything about how
>
> > it came to those constraint. It's like Epicor's dangling a carrot in
>
> > front of their customers with their help files!
>
> >
>
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Rob I'm curious when you've had the red dot mean nothing. I've found I can explain the red dot every time, much to the chagrin of purchasing. Red dot simply means there's a constraint of some sort, whether it be time or quantity. Most times when purchasing can't see why there's a red dot, it's because the job is scheduled to start in the past (aka, it's already started) and a material has been added. It doesn't matter what the PO Due Date is, the material will be red until it gets here, unless the job is rescheduled into the future.

Ken

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Robert Brown
Sent: Thu 9/25/2008 3:34 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Icons



Just wait until you go to v8 and the red dots mean: NOTHING.

A year of piloting (where we discovered within an hour the 'red dots' mean nothing in our process) and being live and our planners still can't resist wasting time trying to glean SOME usefull meaning from the color codes of the material tree view.

I guess they look good on a powerpoint scripted demo when selling the next sucker on vantage.

Rob Brown

--- On Wed, 9/24/08, eltaria.foong <eltaria.foong@... <mailto:eltaria.foong%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
From: eltaria.foong <eltaria.foong@... <mailto:eltaria.foong%40yahoo.com> >
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Icons
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 11:36 PM

I've been doing some testing on my own,

For example, if the stock balance for part A falls below 55 after a

job, it will be given the red DOT.

Why below 55? Is there a magic bullet to 55? Safety stock for this

part is set to zero, 55 is not related to the next job which requires

30. I don't see any reasons for vantage to decide marking the part A

as 'red dot' when it gets below 55 in balance, (time phase)

But for another part, the material can be well over 55 but it's still

labeled with the red dot. Can anyone help? Do I need to worry about

the Red Dots? How do I differentiate between Red Dots which are a

cause of concern compared with red dots which are a false positive?

In the case above, the materials on hand is sufficient for both active

jobs, and as such, I'd expect the material to be problem free.

And thus the question on the red dots arises. What did Vantage see

that indicates this material as problematic?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, "eltaria.foong" <eltaria.foong@ ...> wrote:

>

> Hi, this is an old thread, but I'd like to bring this up again if

> anyone knows the answer, Vantage Help 6.1 just states

> A material with a red dot as

>

> "Material requirement that has a constraint

> (i.e. it is in an overloaded work center)"

>

> It tells you it's a constraint, but it doesn't say anything about how

> it came to those constraint. It's like Epicor's dangling a carrot in

> front of their customers with their help files!

>

> --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, "Jasper Recto" <jrecto@> wrote:

> >

> > In job tracker, there are different icons for operations and

materials.

> >

> > If a operation or material has a constraint, there is Red dot in the

> middle of the icon. Does anybody know how to figure out what the

> constraint is?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Jasper

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>
















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If you can show a copy of what Time Phase is showing (stock levels, on hand, demand, PO's, etc) I'd be happy to help identify where 55 is coming from on this particular part.

The help file (that in your case isn't quite so helpful) should have a better breakdown of constraints. Here's a few for reference that I can think of off the top of my head:

1. Stock item that is below or out of stock.
2. Stock item that will be below or out of stock with this demand.
3. Non-stock item with no PO cut
4. Non-stock item with a PO cut that has a due date after the job (or related operation) start date
5. Non-stock item with a PO cut with a lower quantity than the demand.

Very rarely I'll find a part where it should actually be green (fully issued), but it has a red dot. This seems to be a bug in the system that I haven't fully identified (it's an extremely rare case) stemming from what I believe is someone backing out a receipt and re-receiving it.

Ken

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com on behalf of eltaria.foong
Sent: Wed 9/24/2008 9:36 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Icons



I've been doing some testing on my own,
For example, if the stock balance for part A falls below 55 after a
job, it will be given the red DOT.

Why below 55? Is there a magic bullet to 55? Safety stock for this
part is set to zero, 55 is not related to the next job which requires
30. I don't see any reasons for vantage to decide marking the part A
as 'red dot' when it gets below 55 in balance, (time phase)

But for another part, the material can be well over 55 but it's still
labeled with the red dot. Can anyone help? Do I need to worry about
the Red Dots? How do I differentiate between Red Dots which are a
cause of concern compared with red dots which are a false positive?

In the case above, the materials on hand is sufficient for both active
jobs, and as such, I'd expect the material to be problem free.
And thus the question on the red dots arises. What did Vantage see
that indicates this material as problematic?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "eltaria.foong" <eltaria.foong@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, this is an old thread, but I'd like to bring this up again if
> anyone knows the answer, Vantage Help 6.1 just states
> A material with a red dot as
>
> "Material requirement that has a constraint
> (i.e. it is in an overloaded work center)"
>
> It tells you it's a constraint, but it doesn't say anything about how
> it came to those constraint. It's like Epicor's dangling a carrot in
> front of their customers with their help files!
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Jasper Recto" <jrecto@> wrote:
> >
> > In job tracker, there are different icons for operations and
materials.
> >
> > If a operation or material has a constraint, there is Red dot in the
> middle of the icon. Does anybody know how to figure out what the
> constraint is?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jasper
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>






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I was being somewhat facetious Ken.

Back on one of the .3 releases, the object determing 'red dot' status was buggy and just was nto reliable at all. (Epicor verified this to be true.)

Somewhere in .4, they fixed it (although not entirely - it still seemed to have a rarely encountered bug) - but the logic used is worthless (from a practical standpoint).

It simply doesn't mesh with what seasoned planners & buyers 'expect' it to mean. I haven't done so on 405, but on 404 I too could 'explain' why a job material would have a red dot. Far too often, it for things that drive a planner/buyer to look at a material for no pertinent reason (and wastes their time).

Unless your operation has a one person planning department (in which case they might do everything 'on the fly' - long term planning adjustment, order/job promising, buying, identification of resource bottlenecks or 'stalled' jobs requiring additional info from operations, etc.,) - all a planner is typically needing to see from job entry is if they have any shortages that prevent release of the job and production to commence.

Typical job in our system (scheduled to start within a day or two and thus about to be traveler printed and released) - shows 4-8 materials (out of an average of 15-20 required per job) with 'red dots'.

98% of the time, only 2 of those parts will have more allocations than our current on-hand (meaning the rest may have some issue going on that needs addressed at another time - but are noit in any way shape or form possible onstraints preventing release of the job).

Of the 2 parts where allocations exceed on-hand, 70% of the time, neither is a 'real' problem as we have sufficient supply scheduled to arrive in time to fulfill the future portion of those allocations (in a time phase view).

The red dots simply waste people's time. There are other tools better suited to communicate the other (non-critical) conditions that cause a 'red dot'. Tools that are used in a different frequency than job-detail review.

Rob



--- On Sat, 9/27/08, Ken Williams <ken@...> wrote:

From: Ken Williams <ken@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Icons
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 12:09 AM






Rob I'm curious when you've had the red dot mean nothing. I've found I can explain the red dot every time, much to the chagrin of purchasing. Red dot simply means there's a constraint of some sort, whether it be time or quantity. Most times when purchasing can't see why there's a red dot, it's because the job is scheduled to start in the past (aka, it's already started) and a material has been added. It doesn't matter what the PO Due Date is, the material will be red until it gets here, unless the job is rescheduled into the future.

Ken

____________ _________ _________ __

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com on behalf of Robert Brown
Sent: Thu 9/25/2008 3:34 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Icons

Just wait until you go to v8 and the red dots mean: NOTHING.

A year of piloting (where we discovered within an hour the 'red dots' mean nothing in our process) and being live and our planners still can't resist wasting time trying to glean SOME usefull meaning from the color codes of the material tree view.

I guess they look good on a powerpoint scripted demo when selling the next sucker on vantage.

Rob Brown

--- On Wed, 9/24/08, eltaria.foong <eltaria.foong@ yahoo.com <mailto:eltaria. foong%40yahoo. com> > wrote:
From: eltaria.foong <eltaria.foong@ yahoo.com <mailto:eltaria. foong%40yahoo. com> >
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Icons
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 11:36 PM

I've been doing some testing on my own,

For example, if the stock balance for part A falls below 55 after a

job, it will be given the red DOT.

Why below 55? Is there a magic bullet to 55? Safety stock for this

part is set to zero, 55 is not related to the next job which requires

30. I don't see any reasons for vantage to decide marking the part A

as 'red dot' when it gets below 55 in balance, (time phase)

But for another part, the material can be well over 55 but it's still

labeled with the red dot. Can anyone help? Do I need to worry about

the Red Dots? How do I differentiate between Red Dots which are a

cause of concern compared with red dots which are a false positive?

In the case above, the materials on hand is sufficient for both active

jobs, and as such, I'd expect the material to be problem free.

And thus the question on the red dots arises. What did Vantage see

that indicates this material as problematic?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, "eltaria.foong" <eltaria.foong@ ...> wrote:

>

> Hi, this is an old thread, but I'd like to bring this up again if

> anyone knows the answer, Vantage Help 6.1 just states

> A material with a red dot as

>

> "Material requirement that has a constraint

> (i.e. it is in an overloaded work center)"

>

> It tells you it's a constraint, but it doesn't say anything about how

> it came to those constraint. It's like Epicor's dangling a carrot in

> front of their customers with their help files!

>

> --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, "Jasper Recto" <jrecto@> wrote:

> >

> > In job tracker, there are different icons for operations and

materials.

> >

> > If a operation or material has a constraint, there is Red dot in the

> middle of the icon. Does anybody know how to figure out what the

> constraint is?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Jasper

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Yup... That covers it.

All of those things are better communicated via Buyers workbench or Planning workbench in an MRP environment.

Your observation of the false red dot coming from a part that may have had a receipt backed out and redone is interesting as it 'rings true' with what I remember of what I referred to in the prior email as a remaining rare bug.

I think inspection failures (with eventual DMR acceptance) and reverse ISSUES to jobs may also 'confuse' the logic.

Rob


--- On Sat, 9/27/08, Ken Williams <ken@...> wrote:

From: Ken Williams <ken@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Icons
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 12:32 AM






If you can show a copy of what Time Phase is showing (stock levels, on hand, demand, PO's, etc) I'd be happy to help identify where 55 is coming from on this particular part.

The help file (that in your case isn't quite so helpful) should have a better breakdown of constraints. Here's a few for reference that I can think of off the top of my head:

1. Stock item that is below or out of stock.
2. Stock item that will be below or out of stock with this demand.
3. Non-stock item with no PO cut
4. Non-stock item with a PO cut that has a due date after the job (or related operation) start date
5. Non-stock item with a PO cut with a lower quantity than the demand.

Very rarely I'll find a part where it should actually be green (fully issued), but it has a red dot. This seems to be a bug in the system that I haven't fully identified (it's an extremely rare case) stemming from what I believe is someone backing out a receipt and re-receiving it.

Ken

____________ _________ _________ __

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com on behalf of eltaria.foong
Sent: Wed 9/24/2008 9:36 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Icons

I've been doing some testing on my own,
For example, if the stock balance for part A falls below 55 after a
job, it will be given the red DOT.

Why below 55? Is there a magic bullet to 55? Safety stock for this
part is set to zero, 55 is not related to the next job which requires
30. I don't see any reasons for vantage to decide marking the part A
as 'red dot' when it gets below 55 in balance, (time phase)

But for another part, the material can be well over 55 but it's still
labeled with the red dot. Can anyone help? Do I need to worry about
the Red Dots? How do I differentiate between Red Dots which are a
cause of concern compared with red dots which are a false positive?

In the case above, the materials on hand is sufficient for both active
jobs, and as such, I'd expect the material to be problem free.
And thus the question on the red dots arises. What did Vantage see
that indicates this material as problematic?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> , "eltaria.foong" <eltaria.foong@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi, this is an old thread, but I'd like to bring this up again if
> anyone knows the answer, Vantage Help 6.1 just states
> A material with a red dot as
>
> "Material requirement that has a constraint
> (i.e. it is in an overloaded work center)"
>
> It tells you it's a constraint, but it doesn't say anything about how
> it came to those constraint. It's like Epicor's dangling a carrot in
> front of their customers with their help files!
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> , "Jasper Recto" <jrecto@> wrote:
> >
> > In job tracker, there are different icons for operations and
materials.
> >
> > If a operation or material has a constraint, there is Red dot in the
> middle of the icon. Does anybody know how to figure out what the
> constraint is?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jasper
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

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