Couldn’t really find an answer on this, at least a current answer and I know it’s been a feature request for years… But when a single employee is clocked in on multiple jobs is their labor still divided equally across those jobs? Or is the qty of pieces completed taken into consideration? Or is there an ability to enable that option?
Example is a QC person is inspecting trays of parts that are made up of 3 jobs… some of those jobs have complete qty’s on the tray and others may be incomplete, say one job only has 15 of 20 pcs. Will their labor just be divided equally?
If the operations they are concurrently working on are Qty Reporting defined, no split of labor occurs as the labor (and burden rate) is defined at the resource group/resource level.
If they are Time and Qty reporting method operations (requiring Start Activity/End Activity reporting), direct labor is split - although I’ve never seen it split properly with more than 2 concurrent operations in-process. The labor rate is based on the employee record labor rate in this case.
For T&Q reporting, burden rates are still is defined at the Resource Group/Resource levels & you can configure each to either split burden or not.
Labor time is split and it’s weighted based on the total number of hours the operation is supposed to take. So if op A is a total of 3 hours and op B is a total of 1 hour, the labor will be split 75% 25%. So if the user clocks in for 1 hour, op A will get 45 mins and op will get 15 mins.
These are time and qty operations, and honestly, to me the rate and burden stuff doesn’t matter, right now I’m solely interested in the labor time and how it would be divided if they clocked onto say 3 jobs at once, all 20pc jobs, and after 3hrs completed 2 jobs at 20pc and the last one at only 15pcs, would it be a straight 1hr per job split? Or would it take into consideration the qty’s and divide it up by qty and give two jobs 1.09 hr’s and the last one 49min?
They would be clocking in on the same operation on different jobs, not multiple operations on one job. The operations are equal between the two jobs as well as the jobs are all for the same PN.
I don’t think it takes into account the quantities. It takes into account the number of hours expected to be spent on the job though and pro-rates it.
So in your case, if they are the same, then yes it would be an even split.
For this scenario, just make sure they are clocking into all three jobs the whole time, and then all of the labor will be split evenly. So even if they finished job 1 and 2 and are only working on 3, since they were logged into 3 while working on 1 and 2, they should still log into 1 and 2 while working on 3.
Yeah the hope was that it would consider QTY’s since they wanted a proper split of time across the three jobs. Even time across jobs that are not having the same number of assemblies completed is not the best labor time to collect.
Thanks for the verification. I was hoping it would have changed over the years, but I guess the amount of possible configurations of job/operations and qty’s that someone could be logging into probably makes that nearly impossible to work out correctly every time.
If you clock into all of the jobs, all of the time, it will be split correctly. Why does that not work?
If you want the job tracked individually, why not have the users clock into one job at a time?
The reason it doesn’t work the way you want, is because you can clock in and out of jobs without reporting any quantity. Or only one worker reporting quantity when multiple people are working on the same operation. There’s no way to split time then.
One person clocking onto three 20pc jobs for 3 hours total, two jobs they are fully completing at 20pcs and the last one there were only 15pc to inspect, the time is not split evenly across all three jobs. The amount of time per piece is the same yes, so that means they spent more time on the first two jobs than the last one. 1hr per job is not accurate.
I agree 100% the correct solution is to have them clock on to each job individually so it’s properly recorded but the issue they have with that is the time it takes the employee to walk over to a data collector and clock on and off each job consumes too much time.
I’ve recommended more stations, but that increases the load on MES licenses and we already are using 25+ stations with MES but only have 16 seats so we bank on the session time out so we don’t exceeded seats. Yes I’ve also recommended increasing our licensing but 3yrs ago they had me remove 12 DC seats because they didn’t like the maintenance cost, so I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
As I thought, there are too many scenarios where the calculation would not work or would not be possible so there is no way to force it to consider the qty, and that makes perfect sense now that you’ve described it that way. I didn’t think of that situation when I was pondering it.
But if you clock into all three when go to finish the last 5, that time will also be split among all 3 jobs. So 1 hour per job for the first 55, then if they clock in for another 15 minutes for the last 5 on all 3 jobs, then the total time on each job is 1 hour and 5 minutes. Is that wrong?
If the operations are the same, who’s to say they didn’t do 18, 18, and 17 instead of 20, 20, and 15?
As noted way too many variables… I can assure that they would not clock on to all 3 jobs again to finish just 5 pieces for a single job. That would be way too confusing for them to remember all the jobs they were on when some of them had shortages at the time of inspection.
Because they have trays for each job that would be filled at 20pcs (IF complete) and they are serial tracked parts so they would only put in the qty’s that they completed for that specific job.
I’m just an IT guy stuck in the middle of this because my father who retired from here use to be the cost accountant, so they think I know what he did which is complete BS. They never hired another cost accountant so they are constantly struggling with this stuff.
I’ve been at this company for 25 years and have built their entire IT system from the ground up, but unfortunately I honestly don’t know how this stuff works, I was never involved in the building of Epicor or involved with decisions on how to use it, and I do not invest the time to learn it either because I have enough responsibilities on my plate as it is. They started asking me about backflushing and I was like um nope, I have no clue, that’s a question for your CFO since you don’t have a cost accountant.
In addition to my father retiring they also lost their materials manager and never officially replaced them… the CFO just absorbed their responsibilities.
