Negative Inventory

>How does a job get finished, and its materials
>backflushed if you don't have the parts on hand
Things happening out of sequence.
It isn't as bad anymore.
Used to be common practice, left over from the previous system.

Assemblers see parts in the machine shop that are needed for their job and... take them, finish their job using them.
But... the child jobs weren't processed or inventory moved yet.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "c.krusen1" <ckrusen1@...> wrote:
>
> I understand your issue with costs and neg-QOH. We use precious metals in our products so the part costs are always fluctuating. So if a job "borrows" inventory before it is received, the job gets the "old" price (higher or lower), and the receipt generates a CST-ADJ to what's "on-hand" (the receipt qty minus the IOU qty).
>
> We don't currently track labor or operations, and hence don't do any backflushing. So I haven't experienced your issues regarding backlushing.
>
> Just out of curiousity... How does a job get finished, and its materials backflushed if you don't have the parts on hand?
>
> Calvin
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "cooner_55421" <cooner_55421@> wrote:
> >
> > In our case it causes cost issues but...
> > It depended several other things in the job(s), auto-receive non-stock, average cost.
> >
> > With the right combination and then parts backflush with a negative qty... it is a mess to clean it up and get the costs corrected.
> >
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "c.krusen1" <ckrusen1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm not being snarky, But what's wrong with a negative QOH?
> > >
> > > A negative QOH really just means that some other transaction that increments the QOH hasn't happened yet, and that you "owe" inventory.
> > >
> > > In the ideal world you'd never get a neg-QOH, as you wouldn't issue/ship/scrap parts that you don't have. But since you'll undoubtedly need to issue material before its receipt is processed, you'll need to accumulate those "IOU's".
> > >
> > > If your just doing it to force people to do their job properly (i.e., to keep the receiver from sitting on receipts), then it's going to cause more problems, that will result in required work arounds.
> > >
> > > Who is willing to hold up an end of month shipment that needs to go, because, the packing slip for a few screws got lost.
> > >
> > > Calvin
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "tchristie1" <tchristie@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I believe there is a place that I can check a box to prevent the company or plant from allowing negative OH balances. Is that correct or am I just dreaming?
> > > >
> > > > We are on 9.05.606
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
I believe there is a place that I can check a box to prevent the company or plant from allowing negative OH balances. Is that correct or am I just dreaming?

We are on 9.05.606
Thanks,


Tom
I forget off the top of my head, but either Part Class or Product Group has the option to "allow, warn or stop" negative transactions. There's probably a company config as well?

Ken

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tchristie1
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 3:23 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Negative Inventory



I believe there is a place that I can check a box to prevent the company or plant from allowing negative OH balances. Is that correct or am I just dreaming?

We are on 9.05.606
Thanks,

Tom



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>Part Class

One "gotcha" I've run into.
(at least up to 8.03.409C, I haven't check E9).

Backflushing does not honor the Part Class settings and will still drive inventory negative.

We asked Epicor for a customization to prevent backflushing from driving inventory negative.
They came back about a week alter & said they wouldn't even quote it.
I can't remember



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Ken Williams <kwilliams@...> wrote:
>
> I forget off the top of my head, but either Part Class or Product Group has the option to "allow, warn or stop" negative transactions. There's probably a company config as well?
>
> Ken
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tchristie1
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 3:23 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Negative Inventory
>
>
>
> I believe there is a place that I can check a box to prevent the company or plant from allowing negative OH balances. Is that correct or am I just dreaming?
>
> We are on 9.05.606
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Seems like a really simple BPM, a data directive on partbin.o nhandqty < 0 raise exception.



-----Original Message-----
From: cooner_55421 [cooner_55421@...]
Received: Friday, 26 Aug 2011, 4:17pm
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com [vantage@yahoogroups.com]
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Negative Inventory



>Part Class

One "gotcha" I've run into.
(at least up to 8.03.409C, I haven't check E9).

Backflushing does not honor the Part Class settings and will still drive inventory negative.

We asked Epicor for a customization to prevent backflushing from driving inventory negative.
They came back about a week alter & said they wouldn't even quote it.
I can't remember

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, Ken Williams <kwilliams@...> wrote:
>
> I forget off the top of my head, but either Part Class or Product Group has the option to "allow, warn or stop" negative transactions. There's probably a company config as well?
>
> Ken
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of tchristie1
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 3:23 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Negative Inventory
>
>
>
> I believe there is a place that I can check a box to prevent the company or plant from allowing negative OH balances. Is that correct or am I just dreaming?
>
> We are on 9.05.606
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Yes, you are probably correct - E9.
When I was trying to fix this, it was V8... no data directives.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Ken Williams <kwilliams@...> wrote:
>
> Seems like a really simple BPM, a data directive on partbin.o nhandqty < 0 raise exception.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cooner_55421 [cooner_55421@...]
> Received: Friday, 26 Aug 2011, 4:17pm
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com [vantage@yahoogroups.com]
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Negative Inventory
>
>
>
> >Part Class
>
> One "gotcha" I've run into.
> (at least up to 8.03.409C, I haven't check E9).
>
> Backflushing does not honor the Part Class settings and will still drive inventory negative.
>
> We asked Epicor for a customization to prevent backflushing from driving inventory negative.
> They came back about a week alter & said they wouldn't even quote it.
> I can't remember
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, Ken Williams <kwilliams@> wrote:
> >
> > I forget off the top of my head, but either Part Class or Product Group has the option to "allow, warn or stop" negative transactions. There's probably a company config as well?
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of tchristie1
> > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 3:23 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Negative Inventory
> >
> >
> >
> > I believe there is a place that I can check a box to prevent the company or plant from allowing negative OH balances. Is that correct or am I just dreaming?
> >
> > We are on 9.05.606
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
I'm not being snarky, But what's wrong with a negative QOH?

A negative QOH really just means that some other transaction that increments the QOH hasn't happened yet, and that you "owe" inventory.

In the ideal world you'd never get a neg-QOH, as you wouldn't issue/ship/scrap parts that you don't have. But since you'll undoubtedly need to issue material before its receipt is processed, you'll need to accumulate those "IOU's".

If your just doing it to force people to do their job properly (i.e., to keep the receiver from sitting on receipts), then it's going to cause more problems, that will result in required work arounds.

Who is willing to hold up an end of month shipment that needs to go, because, the packing slip for a few screws got lost.

Calvin


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "tchristie1" <tchristie@...> wrote:
>
> I believe there is a place that I can check a box to prevent the company or plant from allowing negative OH balances. Is that correct or am I just dreaming?
>
> We are on 9.05.606
> Thanks,
>
>
> Tom
>
part class has that, just found it the hard way today...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Williams" <kwilliams@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:24:21 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Negative Inventory

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I forget off the top of my head, but either Part Class or Product Group has the option to "allow, warn or stop" negative transactions. There's probably a company config as well?

Ken

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of tchristie1
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 3:23 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Negative Inventory

I believe there is a place that I can check a box to prevent the company or plant from allowing negative OH balances. Is that correct or am I just dreaming?

We are on 9.05.606
Thanks,

Tom

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In our case it causes cost issues but...
It depended several other things in the job(s), auto-receive non-stock, average cost.

With the right combination and then parts backflush with a negative qty... it is a mess to clean it up and get the costs corrected.


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "c.krusen1" <ckrusen1@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not being snarky, But what's wrong with a negative QOH?
>
> A negative QOH really just means that some other transaction that increments the QOH hasn't happened yet, and that you "owe" inventory.
>
> In the ideal world you'd never get a neg-QOH, as you wouldn't issue/ship/scrap parts that you don't have. But since you'll undoubtedly need to issue material before its receipt is processed, you'll need to accumulate those "IOU's".
>
> If your just doing it to force people to do their job properly (i.e., to keep the receiver from sitting on receipts), then it's going to cause more problems, that will result in required work arounds.
>
> Who is willing to hold up an end of month shipment that needs to go, because, the packing slip for a few screws got lost.
>
> Calvin
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "tchristie1" <tchristie@> wrote:
> >
> > I believe there is a place that I can check a box to prevent the company or plant from allowing negative OH balances. Is that correct or am I just dreaming?
> >
> > We are on 9.05.606
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
>
I understand your issue with costs and neg-QOH. We use precious metals in our products so the part costs are always fluctuating. So if a job "borrows" inventory before it is received, the job gets the "old" price (higher or lower), and the receipt generates a CST-ADJ to what's "on-hand" (the receipt qty minus the IOU qty).

We don't currently track labor or operations, and hence don't do any backflushing. So I haven't experienced your issues regarding backlushing.

Just out of curiousity... How does a job get finished, and its materials backflushed if you don't have the parts on hand?

Calvin

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "cooner_55421" <cooner_55421@...> wrote:
>
> In our case it causes cost issues but...
> It depended several other things in the job(s), auto-receive non-stock, average cost.
>
> With the right combination and then parts backflush with a negative qty... it is a mess to clean it up and get the costs corrected.
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "c.krusen1" <ckrusen1@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not being snarky, But what's wrong with a negative QOH?
> >
> > A negative QOH really just means that some other transaction that increments the QOH hasn't happened yet, and that you "owe" inventory.
> >
> > In the ideal world you'd never get a neg-QOH, as you wouldn't issue/ship/scrap parts that you don't have. But since you'll undoubtedly need to issue material before its receipt is processed, you'll need to accumulate those "IOU's".
> >
> > If your just doing it to force people to do their job properly (i.e., to keep the receiver from sitting on receipts), then it's going to cause more problems, that will result in required work arounds.
> >
> > Who is willing to hold up an end of month shipment that needs to go, because, the packing slip for a few screws got lost.
> >
> > Calvin
> >
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "tchristie1" <tchristie@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I believe there is a place that I can check a box to prevent the company or plant from allowing negative OH balances. Is that correct or am I just dreaming?
> > >
> > > We are on 9.05.606
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> >
>
The negative action stop or warn is held under each individual "Part Class
Maintenance".



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Calvin,

I don't see an issue with creating a negative on hand if the system is not
"real time" but in a "real time" system it should not happen. It let's you
know that there is an issue that needs to be addressed. If you allow these
transactions it snowballs into a bigger issue. I like to stop the problem
before it gets out of control.



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