[off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on network

system · April 17, 2001, 8:40am

Hope you're not getting too wet there. We're out east in Northwestern Pennsylvania. Thanks for the offer.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics
Franklin, Pa

----- Original Message -----
From: Darren Lucht
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 10:03 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on network .

Hello Troy, just wondering what city? I might be able to help if in
the Mpls,MN area...

send me an email if ya do.
-Darren Lucht
darrenlucht@...

--- In vantage@y..., "Troy Funte" <tfunte@e...> wrote:
> I'd love to find how to do fiber for a few hundred. Most fiber
options I've looked into require at least $1000 for the hubs on
either end of the fiber, plus a technician to hook it all up.
>
> Anyone have cheaper sources? If we could, I'm sure we would use it
far beyond 6 months.
>
> Troy

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system · April 12, 2001, 6:57am

I believe fiber will more than cover this distance

Scott Hildreth
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Funte [SMTP:tfunte@...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 12:22 AM
> To: Vantage
> Subject: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on
> network.
>
> We are moving to a new building soon, which is 600 -700ft. from our
> present building. The first thing to move in the process is production --
> along with their 5 Data Collection P.C's with touch screens, and 4
> manager's PC's.
>
> 1. What options do we have to connect the 9 PC's across a parking lot and
> connect to our network (and Vantage server)? This would be a temporary
> situation (couple months) until the offices and server get moved to the
> new building.
>
> 2. I believe 600ft. is beyond the capability of CAT5 wire. Can wireless
> connections handle the traffic and distance?
>
> 3. If we ran an aerial line that distance, what technology could go 600
> -700 feet?
>
> Troy Funte
> Liberty Electronics
>
>
>
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system · April 12, 2001, 8:48am

Troy,

Fiber is really the only way to go. It has gotten to be much less expensive
than it used to be and you don't have to worry about lightening or ground
potential differences (When the power in each building is not exactly the
same and it tries to equalize across your copper network lines! I have had
that problem before). You can now buy a Linksys 24 port switch for under
$400 and the fiber modules for it are about $115. This switch is a 10/100
switch and the fiber module is 100mb. We have fiber run between 4 buildings
here and have never had anything but the best of service from it. We put
ours in over 10 years ago.

Dave Cole
Reeder & Kline

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:22 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on network.

We are moving to a new building soon, which is 600 -700ft. from our present
building. The first thing to move in the process is production -- along
with their 5 Data Collection P.C's with touch screens, and 4 manager's PC's.

1. What options do we have to connect the 9 PC's across a parking lot and
connect to our network (and Vantage server)? This would be a temporary
situation (couple months) until the offices and server get moved to the new
building.

2. I believe 600ft. is beyond the capability of CAT5 wire. Can wireless
connections handle the traffic and distance?

3. If we ran an aerial line that distance, what technology could go 600 -700
feet?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

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system · April 12, 2001, 9:12am

We just connected two buildings with fiber under the parking lot. The
trench was the only expensive part. The fiber itself is cheaper than
wireless. Works flawlessly.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD
Milan, OH

-----Original Message-----
From: Cole, Dave [mailto:dave@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:49 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on
network .

Troy,

Fiber is really the only way to go. It has gotten to be much less expensive
than it used to be and you don't have to worry about lightening or ground
potential differences (When the power in each building is not exactly the
same and it tries to equalize across your copper network lines! I have had
that problem before). You can now buy a Linksys 24 port switch for under
$400 and the fiber modules for it are about $115. This switch is a 10/100
switch and the fiber module is 100mb. We have fiber run between 4 buildings
here and have never had anything but the best of service from it. We put
ours in over 10 years ago.

Dave Cole
Reeder & Kline

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:22 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on network.

We are moving to a new building soon, which is 600 -700ft. from our present
building. The first thing to move in the process is production -- along
with their 5 Data Collection P.C's with touch screens, and 4 manager's PC's.

1. What options do we have to connect the 9 PC's across a parking lot and
connect to our network (and Vantage server)? This would be a temporary
situation (couple months) until the offices and server get moved to the new
building.

2. I believe 600ft. is beyond the capability of CAT5 wire. Can wireless
connections handle the traffic and distance?

3. If we ran an aerial line that distance, what technology could go 600 -700
feet?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

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system · April 12, 2001, 9:51am

Is anyone using Cat5 Network Extenders to get up to 600ft? Specs say it is 1.5 MB, but seems much less expensive than fiber - especially for a temporary situation.

Troy

----- Original Message -----
From: Cole, Dave
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on network .

Troy,

Fiber is really the only way to go. It has gotten to be much less expensive
than it used to be and you don't have to worry about lightening or ground
potential differences (When the power in each building is not exactly the
same and it tries to equalize across your copper network lines! I have had
that problem before). You can now buy a Linksys 24 port switch for under
$400 and the fiber modules for it are about $115. This switch is a 10/100
switch and the fiber module is 100mb. We have fiber run between 4 buildings
here and have never had anything but the best of service from it. We put
ours in over 10 years ago.

Dave Cole
Reeder & Kline

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:22 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on network.

We are moving to a new building soon, which is 600 -700ft. from our present
building. The first thing to move in the process is production -- along
with their 5 Data Collection P.C's with touch screens, and 4 manager's PC's.

1. What options do we have to connect the 9 PC's across a parking lot and
connect to our network (and Vantage server)? This would be a temporary
situation (couple months) until the offices and server get moved to the new
building.

2. I believe 600ft. is beyond the capability of CAT5 wire. Can wireless
connections handle the traffic and distance?

3. If we ran an aerial line that distance, what technology could go 600 -700
feet?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

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system · April 12, 2001, 10:02am

We have one run to a PC almost that long (540' ) but there is a switch at
about 320' along the way. I was told we could have another 300' (OK 100m)
beyond the switch and it does work fine at 100Mb. This is all inside our
plant so this might not be practical for you to have a switch hanging over
the street ;) . I think fiber is really the way to go now that costs are
similar to copper (within 10% I think) and fiber will have other benefits
elsewhere over the long term. Example; a good way to segment one section of
network from another for lightning protection.
-Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on network .

Is anyone using Cat5 Network Extenders to get up to 600ft? Specs say it is
1.5 MB, but seems much less expensive than fiber - especially for a
temporary situation.

Troy

----- Original Message -----
From: Cole, Dave
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on network
.

Troy,

Fiber is really the only way to go. It has gotten to be much less
expensive
than it used to be and you don't have to worry about lightening or ground
potential differences (When the power in each building is not exactly the
same and it tries to equalize across your copper network lines! I have
had
that problem before). You can now buy a Linksys 24 port switch for under
$400 and the fiber modules for it are about $115. This switch is a 10/100
switch and the fiber module is 100mb. We have fiber run between 4
buildings
here and have never had anything but the best of service from it. We put
ours in over 10 years ago.

Dave Cole
Reeder & Kline

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:22 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on network.

We are moving to a new building soon, which is 600 -700ft. from our
present
building. The first thing to move in the process is production -- along
with their 5 Data Collection P.C's with touch screens, and 4 manager's
PC's.

1. What options do we have to connect the 9 PC's across a parking lot and
connect to our network (and Vantage server)? This would be a temporary
situation (couple months) until the offices and server get moved to the
new
building.

2. I believe 600ft. is beyond the capability of CAT5 wire. Can wireless
connections handle the traffic and distance?

3. If we ran an aerial line that distance, what technology could go 600
-700
feet?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

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system · April 12, 2001, 10:41am

You could use Thin Ethernet (coaxial cable - 10Base2) which has a maximum
distance of 607 feet. The you are limited to 10-mbps. Hubs need the BNC
connectors and must have 50-ohm terminator at each end of cable.
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The main thing to be concerned about with 10-Base2 is the possiblity of
ground problems and 10-mpbs limit (bandwidth).

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on
network .

> Is anyone using Cat5 Network Extenders to get up to 600ft? Specs say it

is 1.5 MB, but seems much less expensive than fiber - especially for a
temporary situation.

Troy

system · April 12, 2001, 11:30am

If this is truly temperary sollution throw two or three hubs in between to
use solely as repeaters and that should get you through. I know that it is
totally out of spec. but we've done that in the past with a fair share of
success. (Expect a daily crash or two on the remote systems)

Oleg Tumarkin
Systems Administrator

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [SMTP:tfunte@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on network
.

Is anyone using Cat5 Network Extenders to get up to 600ft? Specs say it is
1.5 MB, but seems much less expensive than fiber - especially for a
temporary situation.

Troy

----- Original Message -----
From: Cole, Dave
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on
network .

Troy,

Fiber is really the only way to go. It has gotten to be much less
expensive
than it used to be and you don't have to worry about lightening or ground
potential differences (When the power in each building is not exactly the
same and it tries to equalize across your copper network lines! I have
had
that problem before). You can now buy a Linksys 24 port switch for under
$400 and the fiber modules for it are about $115. This switch is a
10/100
switch and the fiber module is 100mb. We have fiber run between 4
buildings
here and have never had anything but the best of service from it. We put
ours in over 10 years ago.

Dave Cole
Reeder & Kline

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:22 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on network.

We are moving to a new building soon, which is 600 -700ft. from our
present
building. The first thing to move in the process is production -- along
with their 5 Data Collection P.C's with touch screens, and 4 manager's
PC's.

1. What options do we have to connect the 9 PC's across a parking lot and
connect to our network (and Vantage server)? This would be a temporary
situation (couple months) until the offices and server get moved to the
new
building.

2. I believe 600ft. is beyond the capability of CAT5 wire. Can wireless
connections handle the traffic and distance?

3. If we ran an aerial line that distance, what technology could go 600
-700
feet?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

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system · April 12, 2001, 11:34am

WE USED RF WORKS GREAT AA LITTLE SLOW AT TIMES

----- Original Message -----
From: "Oleg Tumarkin" <otumarkin@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:20 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on network .

>
> If this is truly temperary sollution throw two or three hubs in between to
> use solely as repeaters and that should get you through. I know that it is
> totally out of spec. but we've done that in the past with a fair share of
> success. (Expect a daily crash or two on the remote systems)
>
> Oleg Tumarkin
> Systems Administrator
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Funte [SMTP:tfunte@...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:50 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on network
> .
>
> Is anyone using Cat5 Network Extenders to get up to 600ft? Specs say it
is
> 1.5 MB, but seems much less expensive than fiber - especially for a
> temporary situation.
>
> Troy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cole, Dave
> To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:48 AM
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on
> network .
>
>
> Troy,
>
> Fiber is really the only way to go. It has gotten to be much less
> expensive
> than it used to be and you don't have to worry about lightening or
ground
> potential differences (When the power in each building is not exactly
the
> same and it tries to equalize across your copper network lines! I have
> had
> that problem before). You can now buy a Linksys 24 port switch for
under
> $400 and the fiber modules for it are about $115. This switch is a
> 10/100
> switch and the fiber module is 100mb. We have fiber run between 4
> buildings
> here and have never had anything but the best of service from it. We
put
> ours in over 10 years ago.
>
>
> Dave Cole
> Reeder & Kline
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:22 PM
> To: Vantage
> Subject: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on network.
>
>
> We are moving to a new building soon, which is 600 -700ft. from our
> present
> building. The first thing to move in the process is production -- along
> with their 5 Data Collection P.C's with touch screens, and 4 manager's
> PC's.
>
> 1. What options do we have to connect the 9 PC's across a parking lot
and
> connect to our network (and Vantage server)? This would be a temporary
> situation (couple months) until the offices and server get moved to the
> new
> building.
>
> 2. I believe 600ft. is beyond the capability of CAT5 wire. Can wireless
> connections handle the traffic and distance?
>
> 3. If we ran an aerial line that distance, what technology could go 600
> -700
> feet?
>
> Troy Funte
> Liberty Electronics
>
>
>
>
>
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system · April 16, 2001, 8:27pm

It would be cheaper and less problems with fiber. Only a few hundred
bucks, and works well.

-Darren Lucht MCSE,CSN
-Paper, Calmenson & Co.
-darrenlucht@...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@e...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:50 AM
> To: vantage@y...
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on
> network .
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> > Is anyone using Cat5 Network Extenders to get up to 600ft? Specs

say it

> is 1.5 MB, but seems much less expensive than fiber - especially

for a

> temporary situation.
>
> Troy

system · April 16, 2001, 9:50pm

I'd love to find how to do fiber for a few hundred. Most fiber options I've looked into require at least $1000 for the hubs on either end of the fiber, plus a technician to hook it all up.

Anyone have cheaper sources? If we could, I'm sure we would use it far beyond 6 months.

Troy

----- Original Message -----
From: Darren Lucht
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 8:26 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on network .

It would be cheaper and less problems with fiber. Only a few hundred
bucks, and works well.

-Darren Lucht MCSE,CSN
-Paper, Calmenson & Co.
-darrenlucht@...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@e...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:50 AM
> To: vantage@y...
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] [off topic] 600 foot distance for 9 PC's on
> network .
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> > Is anyone using Cat5 Network Extenders to get up to 600ft? Specs
say it
> is 1.5 MB, but seems much less expensive than fiber - especially
for a
> temporary situation.
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> Troy

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system · April 16, 2001, 10:03pm

Hello Troy, just wondering what city? I might be able to help if in
the Mpls,MN area...

send me an email if ya do.
-Darren Lucht
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--- In vantage@y..., "Troy Funte" <tfunte@e...> wrote:
> I'd love to find how to do fiber for a few hundred. Most fiber
options I've looked into require at least $1000 for the hubs on
either end of the fiber, plus a technician to hook it all up.
>
> Anyone have cheaper sources? If we could, I'm sure we would use it
far beyond 6 months.
>
> Troy

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