OT / Network Switches

I think you are right...all the cliffs are owned by someone
or other....

It has been a while since I've been there...... :)

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Charles
Paluska - HPN
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches


Whose Cliff ?

Charles

:-)

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To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches


> >From a former Illinoian, there is a cliff in Winnetka,
IL,
> up north from you.....lots of rocks at the bottom! ;)
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
> ERP Specialist
> Crestview Aerospace Corporation
> Email: mmreddy@...
> Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thomas
Wojewoda
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:24 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
>
> I'm going to look for that cliff now. Too bad we're in
IL,
> it'll be a
> long walk.
>
> Thomas Wojewoda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Shirley Graver
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> I just may break out the old whip; I haven't been
jumpy in
> ... HOURS!!
>
> Shirley
>
> "1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" -
> it's like a
> woman,
> you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one
day
> in a woman's
> life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean
absolutely
> no offence to
> women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm
talking
> about)"
>
> _____
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Todd Hofert
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:55 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> Oh Boy!
>
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> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Thomas Wojewoda
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:53 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> Well my $.02 is this. Get a switch, if you don't see
the
> difference
> between managed and unmanaged get the cheaper one, and
> attach an AP to
> that. But use Wireless only for "complicated"
situations.
> Run wire where
> you can. Why? Well:
>
> 1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" -
it's
> like a woman,
> you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one
day
> in a woman's
> life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean
absolutely
> no offence to
> women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm
talking
> about)
>
> 2. backbone connectivity - fiber between switches,
means
> almost 0
> latency, communication between you servers and the
last
> hop before the
> WS is crucial.
>
> 3. the future of your phone system - there will come a
> day, where VIOP
> will become a subject in your company, and wireless,
even
> G, is not an
> answer. Maybe wi-max, but that has to get cheaper.
>
> 4. Vantage hates slow and unstable connections, I have
> wireless all over
> the company, but my laptop users look for cables when
they
> need to use
> Vantage. If the can't find one, they'll use citrix.
>
>
>
> Thomas Wojewoda
> IS Manager
> Principal Manufacturing Corp.
> 2800 South 19th Ave
> 60155 Broadview IL
> phone: (708) 865 7500 ext 544
> fax: (708) 865 7632
> cell: (708) 259 4864
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So I'll have to pay for my suicide? That sucks. I can't afford it, I'll
have to stay alive for a while.

Thomas Wojewoda


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

I think you are right...all the cliffs are owned by someone
or other....

It has been a while since I've been there...... :)

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Charles
Paluska - HPN
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches


Whose Cliff ?

Charles

:-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Manasa Reddy" <mmreddy@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches


> >From a former Illinoian, there is a cliff in Winnetka,
IL,
> up north from you.....lots of rocks at the bottom! ;)
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
> ERP Specialist
> Crestview Aerospace Corporation
> Email: mmreddy@...
> Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thomas
Wojewoda
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:24 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
>
> I'm going to look for that cliff now. Too bad we're in
IL,
> it'll be a
> long walk.
>
> Thomas Wojewoda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Shirley Graver
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> I just may break out the old whip; I haven't been
jumpy in
> ... HOURS!!
>
> Shirley
>
> "1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" -
> it's like a
> woman,
> you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one
day
> in a woman's
> life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean
absolutely
> no offence to
> women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm
talking
> about)"
>
> _____
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Todd Hofert
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:55 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> Oh Boy!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Thomas Wojewoda
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:53 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> Well my $.02 is this. Get a switch, if you don't see
the
> difference
> between managed and unmanaged get the cheaper one, and
> attach an AP to
> that. But use Wireless only for "complicated"
situations.
> Run wire where
> you can. Why? Well:
>
> 1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" -
it's
> like a woman,
> you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one
day
> in a woman's
> life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean
absolutely
> no offence to
> women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm
talking
> about)
>
> 2. backbone connectivity - fiber between switches,
means
> almost 0
> latency, communication between you servers and the
last
> hop before the
> WS is crucial.
>
> 3. the future of your phone system - there will come a
> day, where VIOP
> will become a subject in your company, and wireless,
even
> G, is not an
> answer. Maybe wi-max, but that has to get cheaper.
>
> 4. Vantage hates slow and unstable connections, I have
> wireless all over
> the company, but my laptop users look for cables when
they
> need to use
> Vantage. If the can't find one, they'll use citrix.
>
>
>
> Thomas Wojewoda
> IS Manager
> Principal Manufacturing Corp.
> 2800 South 19th Ave
> 60155 Broadview IL
> phone: (708) 865 7500 ext 544
> fax: (708) 865 7632
> cell: (708) 259 4864
> http://www.principalmfg.com
>
> Vantage ver. 6.10.526 05/09/05
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I'm sure the ladies on the board wouldn't mind taking up a collection
for you. Come up with an esitmate of how much you'll need. ;)

Brian


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Wojewoda" <twojewoda@p...>
wrote:
> So I'll have to pay for my suicide? That sucks. I can't afford it,
I'll
> have to stay alive for a while.
>
> Thomas Wojewoda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Manasa Reddy
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:19 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> I think you are right...all the cliffs are owned by someone
> or other....
>
> It has been a while since I've been there...... :)
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
> ERP Specialist
> Crestview Aerospace Corporation
> Email: mmreddy@c...
> Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Charles
> Paluska - HPN
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:11 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
>
> Whose Cliff ?
>
> Charles
>
> :-)
>
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> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:29 AM
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
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> IL,
> > up north from you.....lots of rocks at the bottom! ;)
> >
> > M. Manasa Reddy
> > ERP Specialist
> > Crestview Aerospace Corporation
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> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thomas
> Wojewoda
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:24 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
> >
> >
> > I'm going to look for that cliff now. Too bad we're in
> IL,
> > it'll be a
> > long walk.
> >
> > Thomas Wojewoda
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of Shirley Graver
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:04 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
> >
> > I just may break out the old whip; I haven't been
> jumpy in
> > ... HOURS!!
> >
> > Shirley
> >
> > "1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" -
> > it's like a
> > woman,
> > you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one
> day
> > in a woman's
> > life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean
> absolutely
> > no offence to
> > women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm
> talking
> > about)"
> >
> > _____
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> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > Todd Hofert
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> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
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> > Oh Boy!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of Thomas Wojewoda
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:53 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
> >
> > Well my $.02 is this. Get a switch, if you don't see
> the
> > difference
> > between managed and unmanaged get the cheaper one, and
> > attach an AP to
> > that. But use Wireless only for "complicated"
> situations.
> > Run wire where
> > you can. Why? Well:
> >
> > 1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" -
> it's
> > like a woman,
> > you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one
> day
> > in a woman's
> > life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean
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> > no offence to
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> talking
> > about)
> >
> > 2. backbone connectivity - fiber between switches,
> means
> > almost 0
> > latency, communication between you servers and the
> last
> > hop before the
> > WS is crucial.
> >
> > 3. the future of your phone system - there will come a
> > day, where VIOP
> > will become a subject in your company, and wireless,
> even
> > G, is not an
> > answer. Maybe wi-max, but that has to get cheaper.
> >
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> > the company, but my laptop users look for cables when
> they
> > need to use
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> >
> >
> >
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> > phone: (708) 865 7500 ext 544
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Yep, and considering it is a wealthy area you may have to
pay top dollar. ;)

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:31 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches


So I'll have to pay for my suicide? That sucks. I can't
afford it, I'll
have to stay alive for a while.

Thomas Wojewoda


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

I think you are right...all the cliffs are owned by
someone
or other....

It has been a while since I've been there...... :)

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Charles
Paluska - HPN
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches


Whose Cliff ?

Charles

:-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Manasa Reddy" <mmreddy@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches


> >From a former Illinoian, there is a cliff in
Winnetka,
IL,
> up north from you.....lots of rocks at the bottom! ;)
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
> ERP Specialist
> Crestview Aerospace Corporation
> Email: mmreddy@...
> Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thomas
Wojewoda
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:24 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
>
> I'm going to look for that cliff now. Too bad we're
in
IL,
> it'll be a
> long walk.
>
> Thomas Wojewoda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Shirley Graver
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> I just may break out the old whip; I haven't been
jumpy in
> ... HOURS!!
>
> Shirley
>
> "1. stability - wireless is very, lets say,
"jumpy" -
> it's like a
> woman,
> you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one
day
> in a woman's
> life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean
absolutely
> no offence to
> women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm
talking
> about)"
>
> _____
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Todd Hofert
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:55 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> Oh Boy!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Thomas Wojewoda
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:53 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> Well my $.02 is this. Get a switch, if you don't see
the
> difference
> between managed and unmanaged get the cheaper one,
and
> attach an AP to
> that. But use Wireless only for "complicated"
situations.
> Run wire where
> you can. Why? Well:
>
> 1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" -
it's
> like a woman,
> you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one
day
> in a woman's
> life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean
absolutely
> no offence to
> women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm
talking
> about)
>
> 2. backbone connectivity - fiber between switches,
means
> almost 0
> latency, communication between you servers and the
last
> hop before the
> WS is crucial.
>
> 3. the future of your phone system - there will come
a
> day, where VIOP
> will become a subject in your company, and wireless,
even
> G, is not an
> answer. Maybe wi-max, but that has to get cheaper.
>
> 4. Vantage hates slow and unstable connections, I
have
> wireless all over
> the company, but my laptop users look for cables
when
they
> need to use
> Vantage. If the can't find one, they'll use citrix.
>
>
>
> Thomas Wojewoda
> IS Manager
> Principal Manufacturing Corp.
> 2800 South 19th Ave
> 60155 Broadview IL
> phone: (708) 865 7500 ext 544
> fax: (708) 865 7632
> cell: (708) 259 4864
> http://www.principalmfg.com
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Yeah, well, I'd rather, if you have it, give it to the New Orleans
hurricane victims and I'll just wait till I'm stink 'n rich and buy that
cliff :D

Thomas Wojewoda

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Yep, and considering it is a wealthy area you may have to
pay top dollar. ;)

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:31 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches


So I'll have to pay for my suicide? That sucks. I can't
afford it, I'll
have to stay alive for a while.

Thomas Wojewoda


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

I think you are right...all the cliffs are owned by
someone
or other....

It has been a while since I've been there...... :)

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Charles
Paluska - HPN
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches


Whose Cliff ?

Charles

:-)

----- Original Message -----
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To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches


> >From a former Illinoian, there is a cliff in
Winnetka,
IL,
> up north from you.....lots of rocks at the bottom! ;)
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
> ERP Specialist
> Crestview Aerospace Corporation
> Email: mmreddy@...
> Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thomas
Wojewoda
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:24 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
>
> I'm going to look for that cliff now. Too bad we're
in
IL,
> it'll be a
> long walk.
>
> Thomas Wojewoda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Shirley Graver
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> I just may break out the old whip; I haven't been
jumpy in
> ... HOURS!!
>
> Shirley
>
> "1. stability - wireless is very, lets say,
"jumpy" -
> it's like a
> woman,
> you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one
day
> in a woman's
> life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean
absolutely
> no offence to
> women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm
talking
> about)"
>
> _____
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Todd Hofert
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:55 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> Oh Boy!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Thomas Wojewoda
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:53 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> Well my $.02 is this. Get a switch, if you don't see
the
> difference
> between managed and unmanaged get the cheaper one,
and
> attach an AP to
> that. But use Wireless only for "complicated"
situations.
> Run wire where
> you can. Why? Well:
>
> 1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" -
it's
> like a woman,
> you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one
day
> in a woman's
> life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean
absolutely
> no offence to
> women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm
talking
> about)
>
> 2. backbone connectivity - fiber between switches,
means
> almost 0
> latency, communication between you servers and the
last
> hop before the
> WS is crucial.
>
> 3. the future of your phone system - there will come
a
> day, where VIOP
> will become a subject in your company, and wireless,
even
> G, is not an
> answer. Maybe wi-max, but that has to get cheaper.
>
> 4. Vantage hates slow and unstable connections, I
have
> wireless all over
> the company, but my laptop users look for cables
when
they
> need to use
> Vantage. If the can't find one, they'll use citrix.
>
>
>
> Thomas Wojewoda
> IS Manager
> Principal Manufacturing Corp.
> 2800 South 19th Ave
> 60155 Broadview IL
> phone: (708) 865 7500 ext 544
> fax: (708) 865 7632
> cell: (708) 259 4864
> http://www.principalmfg.com
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I think you have actually redeemed yourself, Tom.....

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:04 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches


Yeah, well, I'd rather, if you have it, give it to the New
Orleans
hurricane victims and I'll just wait till I'm stink 'n
rich and buy that
cliff :D

Thomas Wojewoda

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Yep, and considering it is a wealthy area you may have to
pay top dollar. ;)

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thomas
Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:31 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches


So I'll have to pay for my suicide? That sucks. I can't
afford it, I'll
have to stay alive for a while.

Thomas Wojewoda


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

I think you are right...all the cliffs are owned by
someone
or other....

It has been a while since I've been there...... :)

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Charles
Paluska - HPN
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches


Whose Cliff ?

Charles

:-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Manasa Reddy" <mmreddy@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches


> >From a former Illinoian, there is a cliff in
Winnetka,
IL,
> up north from you.....lots of rocks at the bottom!
;)
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
> ERP Specialist
> Crestview Aerospace Corporation
> Email: mmreddy@...
> Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thomas
Wojewoda
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:24 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
>
> I'm going to look for that cliff now. Too bad
we're
in
IL,
> it'll be a
> long walk.
>
> Thomas Wojewoda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Shirley Graver
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> I just may break out the old whip; I haven't been
jumpy in
> ... HOURS!!
>
> Shirley
>
> "1. stability - wireless is very, lets say,
"jumpy" -
> it's like a
> woman,
> you love her 29 days of the month, but come that
one
day
> in a woman's
> life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean
absolutely
> no offence to
> women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm
talking
> about)"
>
> _____
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Todd Hofert
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:55 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> Oh Boy!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Thomas Wojewoda
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:53 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> Well my $.02 is this. Get a switch, if you don't
see
the
> difference
> between managed and unmanaged get the cheaper one,
and
> attach an AP to
> that. But use Wireless only for "complicated"
situations.
> Run wire where
> you can. Why? Well:
>
> 1. stability - wireless is very, lets say,
"jumpy" -
it's
> like a woman,
> you love her 29 days of the month, but come that
one
day
> in a woman's
> life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean
absolutely
> no offence to
> women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm
talking
> about)
>
> 2. backbone connectivity - fiber between switches,
means
> almost 0
> latency, communication between you servers and the
last
> hop before the
> WS is crucial.
>
> 3. the future of your phone system - there will
come
a
> day, where VIOP
> will become a subject in your company, and
wireless,
even
> G, is not an
> answer. Maybe wi-max, but that has to get cheaper.
>
> 4. Vantage hates slow and unstable connections, I
have
> wireless all over
> the company, but my laptop users look for cables
when
they
> need to use
> Vantage. If the can't find one, they'll use
citrix.
>
>
>
> Thomas Wojewoda
> IS Manager
> Principal Manufacturing Corp.
> 2800 South 19th Ave
> 60155 Broadview IL
> phone: (708) 865 7500 ext 544
> fax: (708) 865 7632
> cell: (708) 259 4864
> http://www.principalmfg.com
>
> Vantage ver. 6.10.526 05/09/05
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'goodies',
> please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage
services
> goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS Membership database software
Database
> mortgage software Pda database software
> Database management software Database
marketing
> software Online database software
>
>






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>
> a.. Visit your group "vantage" on the web.
>
> b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an
email
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> vantage-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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Note: You must
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enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group
for
Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage
services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: (
Note: You must have already linked your email address
to
a
yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for
Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies',
please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage
services
goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links



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YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

a.. Visit your group "vantage" on the web.

b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
to:
vantage-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
Yahoo!
Terms of Service.


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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: (
Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to
enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for
Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage
services
goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links








Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: (
Note: You must have already linked your email address to
a
yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for
Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies',
please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage
services
goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links



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YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

a.. Visit your group "vantage" on the web.

b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
vantage-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
Yahoo!
Terms of Service.


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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: (
Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to
enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for
Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services
goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links









Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: (
Note: You must have already linked your email address to a
yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for
Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies',
please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services
goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links



SPONSORED LINKS Membership database software Database
mortgage software Pda database software
Database management software Database marketing
software Online database software


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YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

a.. Visit your group "vantage" on the web.

b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
vantage-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
Terms of Service.


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