Outsource Payroll

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1
I knew that eventually a patch would probably overwrite the code (we
had been warned about this when we bought Vantage), but management
still insisted on doing it. It just kind of surprised me that the
very next patch I installed overwrote it. Oh well...hopefully
eventually they'll make the check a Crystal form.

Ryan

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Troy Funte" <tfunte@e...> wrote:
> Custom Programming will has 'clauses' in their contract which state
that patches can affect Custom programming and it may require
additional $$ to keep the code current. They say you should always
check with C.P. before installing a patch to see how it affects their
code.
>
> We did Custom Programming once, and won't do it again.
>
> Troy Funte
> Liberty Electronics
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wmc20@x...
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Outsource Payroll
>
>
> At 01:28 PM 1/8/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >We have the same complaint that the check is not a Crystal
Form. ... We
> >had Epicor custom programming modify the check for us just to
have all of
> >the modifications "wiped out" in the next patch that was
released. What a
> >waste of money!
>
> Ryan, the Vantage patches will blindly overwrite any code that
was put in
> place of a standard Vantage program. I've never dealt with any
products
> from Custom Programming, but didn't they give you a copy of the
mods on CD
> or disk, or any instructions on how to deal with patches? I'd
guess they
> would also still have a copy at their place they could provide.
Or at
> least tell you which files to try to retrieve from a backup?
>
> -Wayne
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Just curious how many people are using Vantage to process payroll
versus using an outside payroll company.

Also, what outside payroll companies are people using and how has
your experience been with them.

Cheryl Mertz
Milford Enterprises, Inc.
cmertz@...
3
We use Vantage payroll. We have 190 employees and run payroll weekly (a
union thing).


-----Original Message-----
From: cmertzus <cmertz@...>
[mailto:cmertz@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:20 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll

Just curious how many people are using Vantage to process
payroll versus using an outside payroll company.
Also, what outside payroll companies are people using and
how has your experience been with them.
Cheryl Mertz
Milford Enterprises, Inc.
cmertz@...
<mailto:cmertz@...>
4
We use some minor elements of the payroll module, and we are leased
employees. IE Management "sold" us to another company which "leases" us
back to them. Theory being cost saving in Workers Comp other areas.
(unrealized cost savings I might add)

Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: cmertzus <cmertz@...>
[mailto:cmertz@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:20 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll

Just curious how many people are using Vantage to process payroll
versus using an outside payroll company.

Also, what outside payroll companies are people using and how has
your experience been with them.

Cheryl Mertz
Milford Enterprises, Inc.
cmertz@...




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We use Paychex. We have 180 emplyess the yearly cost is under $21,000 for
everything.

-----Original Message-----
From: cmertzus <cmertz@...>
[mailto:cmertz@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:20 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


Just curious how many people are using Vantage to process payroll
versus using an outside payroll company.

Also, what outside payroll companies are people using and how has
your experience been with them.

Cheryl Mertz
Milford Enterprises, Inc.
cmertz@...



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6
Wow! do you use data collection? What a cost savings to bring payroll in
house would be for you!!

Deb Wilmoth
Controller
Reeder & Kline Machine Company, Inc.
Vantage 5.0


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Meschini [mailto:tmeschini@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:37 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


We use Paychex. We have 180 emplyess the yearly cost is under $21,000 for
everything.

-----Original Message-----
From: cmertzus <cmertz@...>
[mailto:cmertz@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:20 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


Just curious how many people are using Vantage to process payroll
versus using an outside payroll company.

Also, what outside payroll companies are people using and how has
your experience been with them.

Cheryl Mertz
Milford Enterprises, Inc.
cmertz@...



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Ah, but our issue was the need for a person to run payroll and handle all the regulatory reporting. We used to figure that 1/2 of a person dedicated to payroll cost us $20K a year (pay, benefits, etc...). We switched to ADP (for 130 employees) 4 years ago and have been happy with it. I haven't looked at the costs lately but we figured then that our breakeven to do our own payroll processing would be somewhere closer to 200 employees.
-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wilmoth, Deb [mailto:Deb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:07 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


Wow! do you use data collection? What a cost savings to bring payroll in
house would be for you!!

Deb Wilmoth
Controller
Reeder & Kline Machine Company, Inc.
Vantage 5.0


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Meschini [mailto:tmeschini@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:37 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


We use Paychex. We have 180 emplyess the yearly cost is under $21,000 for
everything.

-----Original Message-----
From: cmertzus <cmertz@...>
[mailto:cmertz@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:20 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


Just curious how many people are using Vantage to process payroll
versus using an outside payroll company.

Also, what outside payroll companies are people using and how has
your experience been with them.

Cheryl Mertz
Milford Enterprises, Inc.
cmertz@...



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Interesting, we use Vantage payroll, and run weekly. Although we don't have
a union situation. I am told our AR/AP person spends at most 5 or 6 hours
per week dealing with adjusting times, printing checks, folding checks and
everything else payroll for our 110-120 employees.
Not that I am trying to get anyone to change, but more to address the
original question of how we use payroll.
Our single biggest issue is the lack of a Crystal check keeping us from
modifying the placement of the address to match our banks checks and
envelope windows.

Aaron Hoyt
Design Standards

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


Ah, but our issue was the need for a person to run payroll and handle all
the regulatory reporting. We used to figure that 1/2 of a person dedicated
to payroll cost us $20K a year (pay, benefits, etc...). We switched to ADP
(for 130 employees) 4 years ago and have been happy with it. I haven't
looked at the costs lately but we figured then that our breakeven to do our
own payroll processing would be somewhere closer to 200 employees.
-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wilmoth, Deb [mailto:Deb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:07 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


Wow! do you use data collection? What a cost savings to bring payroll in
house would be for you!!

Deb Wilmoth
Controller
Reeder & Kline Machine Company, Inc.
Vantage 5.0


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Meschini [mailto:tmeschini@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:37 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


We use Paychex. We have 180 emplyess the yearly cost is under $21,000 for
everything.

-----Original Message-----
From: cmertzus <cmertz@...>
[mailto:cmertz@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:20 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


Just curious how many people are using Vantage to process payroll
versus using an outside payroll company.

Also, what outside payroll companies are people using and how has
your experience been with them.

Cheryl Mertz
Milford Enterprises, Inc.
cmertz@...


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
9
Aaron, are you signed on to the enhancement request (I believe started by
Nora Story) to have the PR check a Crystal form? If not the number is
3127MPS. We have been trying for several versions now to get this.
Hopefully some day we will have enough support. It doesn't seem like it
should require as much as it must for such a simple but very useful
enhancement.

Jerry Boyle
Sipco Molding Technologies
Meadville, PA. 16335
p 814.724.2243 x53
f 814.724.2244
vantage 5.10.132

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:aaron@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:37 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll
Interesting, we use Vantage payroll, and run weekly. Although we don't have
a union situation. I am told our AR/AP person spends at most 5 or 6 hours
per week dealing with adjusting times, printing checks, folding checks and
everything else payroll for our 110-120 employees.
Not that I am trying to get anyone to change, but more to address the
original question of how we use payroll.
Our single biggest issue is the lack of a Crystal check keeping us from
modifying the placement of the address to match our banks checks and
envelope windows.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
10
We use ADP. It works very well with Vantage. Our hours are accumulated and
adjusted in Vantage and then entered into ADP. I think the primary
advantages to a payroll service are that the service handles all the
compliance issues such as taxes (Fed, state, FUTA), garnishments, new hire
reporting and reporting to the government entities. It is hard for an
individual company to keep track of all the tax laws and compliance issues.
A payroll service will significantly reduce your risk of noncompliance with
laws. If you have a simple system in one state or can afford a dedicated
payroll person, you could probably use Vantage cost effectively. Having
said this, I think the Vantage payroll module works well, but it doesn't
provide the other services of a company dedicated to payroll processing and
compliance. You have to choose what is important and if you are willing to
pay for it.

Alex Neutgens
Controller
Synovis Interventional Solutions
Phone: 651-792-2869
Fax: 651-792-2801
aneutgens@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:aaron@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:37 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll

Interesting, we use Vantage payroll, and run weekly. Although we don't have
a union situation. I am told our AR/AP person spends at most 5 or 6 hours
per week dealing with adjusting times, printing checks, folding checks and
everything else payroll for our 110-120 employees.
Not that I am trying to get anyone to change, but more to address the
original question of how we use payroll.
Our single biggest issue is the lack of a Crystal check keeping us from
modifying the placement of the address to match our banks checks and
envelope windows.

Aaron Hoyt
Design Standards

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


Ah, but our issue was the need for a person to run payroll and handle all
the regulatory reporting. We used to figure that 1/2 of a person dedicated
to payroll cost us $20K a year (pay, benefits, etc...). We switched to ADP
(for 130 employees) 4 years ago and have been happy with it. I haven't
looked at the costs lately but we figured then that our breakeven to do our
own payroll processing would be somewhere closer to 200 employees.
-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wilmoth, Deb [mailto:Deb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:07 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


Wow! do you use data collection? What a cost savings to bring payroll in
house would be for you!!

Deb Wilmoth
Controller
Reeder & Kline Machine Company, Inc.
Vantage 5.0


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Meschini [mailto:tmeschini@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:37 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


We use Paychex. We have 180 emplyess the yearly cost is under $21,000 for
everything.

-----Original Message-----
From: cmertzus <cmertz@...>
[mailto:cmertz@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:20 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


Just curious how many people are using Vantage to process payroll
versus using an outside payroll company.

Also, what outside payroll companies are people using and how has
your experience been with them.

Cheryl Mertz
Milford Enterprises, Inc.
cmertz@...


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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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11
Ouch. Feel a bit smacked there Alex. We do not spend 100% of our time on
payroll issues, but do keep up to date with the annual tax changes and
compliance issues. Granted we only have one out of state employee, but that
State sends us info just like Indiana does.

Deb Wilmoth
Controller
Reeder & Kline Machine Company, Inc.
Vantage 5.0


-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Neutgens (IS) [mailto:aneutgens@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:42 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


We use ADP. It works very well with Vantage. Our hours are accumulated and
adjusted in Vantage and then entered into ADP. I think the primary
advantages to a payroll service are that the service handles all the
compliance issues such as taxes (Fed, state, FUTA), garnishments, new hire
reporting and reporting to the government entities. It is hard for an
individual company to keep track of all the tax laws and compliance issues.
A payroll service will significantly reduce your risk of noncompliance with
laws. If you have a simple system in one state or can afford a dedicated
payroll person, you could probably use Vantage cost effectively. Having
said this, I think the Vantage payroll module works well, but it doesn't
provide the other services of a company dedicated to payroll processing and
compliance. You have to choose what is important and if you are willing to
pay for it.

Alex Neutgens
Controller
Synovis Interventional Solutions
Phone: 651-792-2869
Fax: 651-792-2801
aneutgens@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:aaron@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:37 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll

Interesting, we use Vantage payroll, and run weekly. Although we don't have
a union situation. I am told our AR/AP person spends at most 5 or 6 hours
per week dealing with adjusting times, printing checks, folding checks and
everything else payroll for our 110-120 employees.
Not that I am trying to get anyone to change, but more to address the
original question of how we use payroll.
Our single biggest issue is the lack of a Crystal check keeping us from
modifying the placement of the address to match our banks checks and
envelope windows.

Aaron Hoyt
Design Standards

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


Ah, but our issue was the need for a person to run payroll and handle all
the regulatory reporting. We used to figure that 1/2 of a person dedicated
to payroll cost us $20K a year (pay, benefits, etc...). We switched to ADP
(for 130 employees) 4 years ago and have been happy with it. I haven't
looked at the costs lately but we figured then that our breakeven to do our
own payroll processing would be somewhere closer to 200 employees.
-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wilmoth, Deb [mailto:Deb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:07 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


Wow! do you use data collection? What a cost savings to bring payroll in
house would be for you!!

Deb Wilmoth
Controller
Reeder & Kline Machine Company, Inc.
Vantage 5.0


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Meschini [mailto:tmeschini@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:37 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


We use Paychex. We have 180 emplyess the yearly cost is under $21,000 for
everything.

-----Original Message-----
From: cmertzus <cmertz@...>
[mailto:cmertz@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:20 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


Just curious how many people are using Vantage to process payroll
versus using an outside payroll company.

Also, what outside payroll companies are people using and how has
your experience been with them.

Cheryl Mertz
Milford Enterprises, Inc.
cmertz@...


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(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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12
Thank you,
Yes I believe I am. I also started a request, and got them to group several
requests into one. This has been an issue since 3.0 for us, and I start at
least one thread to gain support annually. This was another such attempt.
Someday our numbers will be sufficient. :)

Aaron Hoyt
Design Standards

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Boyle [mailto:jboyle@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:30 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll


Aaron, are you signed on to the enhancement request (I believe started by
Nora Story) to have the PR check a Crystal form? If not the number is
3127MPS. We have been trying for several versions now to get this.
Hopefully some day we will have enough support. It doesn't seem like it
should require as much as it must for such a simple but very useful
enhancement.

Jerry Boyle
Sipco Molding Technologies
Meadville, PA. 16335
p 814.724.2243 x53
f 814.724.2244
vantage 5.10.132

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:aaron@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:37 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll
Interesting, we use Vantage payroll, and run weekly. Although we don't have
a union situation. I am told our AR/AP person spends at most 5 or 6 hours
per week dealing with adjusting times, printing checks, folding checks and
everything else payroll for our 110-120 employees.
Not that I am trying to get anyone to change, but more to address the
original question of how we use payroll.
Our single biggest issue is the lack of a Crystal check keeping us from
modifying the placement of the address to match our banks checks and
envelope windows.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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We use Vantage 5.1 payroll (used since 4.0 1999)
We find it very useful, since it ties to the data collection.

We also use Abra for tracking personnel reviews, and other records.



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Babette Welch
MIS Director
Argonics
1110 Wright
Marquette MI 49855
906.226.9747 ext 235
906.228.0951 fax




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We also do our own payroll for about 225 employees using Data
Collection. It is a pretty simple process.

We have the same complaint that the check is not a Crystal Form. One
of the owners insisted that the check be modified. We had Epicor
custom programming modify the check for us just to have all of the
modifications "wiped out" in the next patch that was released. What
a waste of money!

Ryan Rindler
Network Administrator
Norwood Tool Company


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Wilmoth, Deb" <Deb@r...> wrote:
> Ouch. Feel a bit smacked there Alex. We do not spend 100% of our
time on
> payroll issues, but do keep up to date with the annual tax changes
and
> compliance issues. Granted we only have one out of state employee,
but that
> State sends us info just like Indiana does.
>
> Deb Wilmoth
> Controller
> Reeder & Kline Machine Company, Inc.
> Vantage 5.0
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Neutgens (IS) [mailto:aneutgens@s...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:42 PM
> To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll
>
>
> We use ADP. It works very well with Vantage. Our hours are
accumulated and
> adjusted in Vantage and then entered into ADP. I think the primary
> advantages to a payroll service are that the service handles all the
> compliance issues such as taxes (Fed, state, FUTA), garnishments,
new hire
> reporting and reporting to the government entities. It is hard for
an
> individual company to keep track of all the tax laws and compliance
issues.
> A payroll service will significantly reduce your risk of
noncompliance with
> laws. If you have a simple system in one state or can afford a
dedicated
> payroll person, you could probably use Vantage cost effectively.
Having
> said this, I think the Vantage payroll module works well, but it
doesn't
> provide the other services of a company dedicated to payroll
processing and
> compliance. You have to choose what is important and if you are
willing to
> pay for it.
>
> Alex Neutgens
> Controller
> Synovis Interventional Solutions
> Phone: 651-792-2869
> Fax: 651-792-2801
> aneutgens@s...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:aaron@d...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:37 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll
>
> Interesting, we use Vantage payroll, and run weekly. Although we
don't have
> a union situation. I am told our AR/AP person spends at most 5 or
6 hours
> per week dealing with adjusting times, printing checks, folding
checks and
> everything else payroll for our 110-120 employees.
> Not that I am trying to get anyone to change, but more to address
the
> original question of how we use payroll.
> Our single biggest issue is the lack of a Crystal check keeping us
from
> modifying the placement of the address to match our banks checks and
> envelope windows.
>
> Aaron Hoyt
> Design Standards
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:12 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll
>
>
> Ah, but our issue was the need for a person to run payroll and
handle all
> the regulatory reporting. We used to figure that 1/2 of a person
dedicated
> to payroll cost us $20K a year (pay, benefits, etc...). We
switched to ADP
> (for 130 employees) 4 years ago and have been happy with it. I
haven't
> looked at the costs lately but we figured then that our breakeven
to do our
> own payroll processing would be somewhere closer to 200 employees.
> -Todd C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wilmoth, Deb [mailto:Deb@r...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:07 AM
> To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll
>
>
> Wow! do you use data collection? What a cost savings to bring
payroll in
> house would be for you!!
>
> Deb Wilmoth
> Controller
> Reeder & Kline Machine Company, Inc.
> Vantage 5.0
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Meschini [mailto:tmeschini@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:37 AM
> To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll
>
>
> We use Paychex. We have 180 emplyess the yearly cost is under
$21,000 for
> everything.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cmertzus <cmertz@m...>
> [mailto:cmertz@m...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:20 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Outsource Payroll
>
>
> Just curious how many people are using Vantage to process payroll
> versus using an outside payroll company.
>
> Also, what outside payroll companies are people using and how has
> your experience been with them.
>
> Cheryl Mertz
> Milford Enterprises, Inc.
> cmertz@m...
>
>
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>
>
>
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At 01:28 PM 1/8/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>We have the same complaint that the check is not a Crystal Form. ... We
>had Epicor custom programming modify the check for us just to have all of
>the modifications "wiped out" in the next patch that was released. What a
>waste of money!

Ryan, the Vantage patches will blindly overwrite any code that was put in
place of a standard Vantage program. I've never dealt with any products
from Custom Programming, but didn't they give you a copy of the mods on CD
or disk, or any instructions on how to deal with patches? I'd guess they
would also still have a copy at their place they could provide. Or at
least tell you which files to try to retrieve from a backup?

-Wayne
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Custom Programming will has 'clauses' in their contract which state that patches can affect Custom programming and it may require additional $$ to keep the code current. They say you should always check with C.P. before installing a patch to see how it affects their code.

We did Custom Programming once, and won't do it again.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: wmc20@...
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Outsource Payroll


At 01:28 PM 1/8/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>We have the same complaint that the check is not a Crystal Form. ... We
>had Epicor custom programming modify the check for us just to have all of
>the modifications "wiped out" in the next patch that was released. What a
>waste of money!

Ryan, the Vantage patches will blindly overwrite any code that was put in
place of a standard Vantage program. I've never dealt with any products
from Custom Programming, but didn't they give you a copy of the mods on CD
or disk, or any instructions on how to deal with patches? I'd guess they
would also still have a copy at their place they could provide. Or at
least tell you which files to try to retrieve from a backup?

-Wayne


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