Quality Module

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Does anyone on 6.0 use the Quality Module? We just went to 6.0 from 5.1 and are finding all the things that we used regularly and relied on heavily GONE!!!!! You no longer have a $ value on the non-conformance (if you don't check move cost to dmr) and now we find that when the DMR is disp. either rejected or accepted you can no longer tell that in the part tracker.... you can see that a DMR was created but you can't see that it was disp. at ALL!!!!
Anymore surprises from the Quality side????
Stephanie



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Is anyone using the Quality Module. If so how often do you clear the scrap
reported against the jobs?

Rich Schippers
Quality Assurance Manager
Wire Maid Manufacturing, Ltd.
Phone: 715-359-0545
Fax: 715-355-1353



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We have the Quality Module, but aren't really using it. We're having a hard
time understanding all the functions.


Wendy Bowen (Pursche)
Network Administrator
Schmald Tool & Die, Inc.
(810) 743-1600 ext.323
wpursche@...


----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schippers <RichS@...>
To: 'Vantage' <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:07 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Quality Module


> Is anyone using the Quality Module. If so how often do you clear the
scrap
> reported against the jobs?
>
> Rich Schippers
> Quality Assurance Manager
> Wire Maid Manufacturing, Ltd.
> Phone: 715-359-0545
> Fax: 715-355-1353
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We are using it. It took us probably 6 months to figure out what to do in
the variety of situations that come up. As far as i know we think we got it
down.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wendy Bowen (Pursche) [mailto:wpursche@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:32 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Quality Module


We have the Quality Module, but aren't really using it. We're having a hard
time understanding all the functions.


Wendy Bowen (Pursche)
Network Administrator
Schmald Tool & Die, Inc.
(810) 743-1600 ext.323
wpursche@...


----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schippers <RichS@...>
To: 'Vantage' <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:07 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Quality Module


> Is anyone using the Quality Module. If so how often do you clear the
scrap
> reported against the jobs?
>
> Rich Schippers
> Quality Assurance Manager
> Wire Maid Manufacturing, Ltd.
> Phone: 715-359-0545
> Fax: 715-355-1353
>
>
>
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We are using the Quality module. We have a report to show what scrap has
been reported via datacollection daily. We clear these out on a daily basis
other wise they would overwhelm the inpection processing que.

John Yohannan
BMC Inc.








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We have the Q Module turned on, but believe it is not very functional. This
is how we think it works: Any scrap entered will generate a line item in
"Inspection Processing", and if it is not cleared, a job will not be able to
be closed. If parts are rejected in "Inpection Processing", a line item is
generated in "DMR Processing". If parts are accepted (after rework, repair,
etc.) in either "Inspection/DMR Processing" they simply disappear. They
have to be manually entered as a job adjustment to show up in a job as
completed parts.

So at this point, we do scrap parts so scrap is visible, but in "Inpsection
Processing" we accept them all to avoid the troublesome additional DMR
processing time and clear the way for closing jobs.

Norm Watkins
ELECPAC


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We're using the Quality Module in 4.0. It is very complex.

We clear the "assemblies" queue (stuff scrapped from the floor) a couple of
times a week-for now. It has to be cleared on the last day of the month (or
so I was ordered by accounting), mainly because if there are mistakes that
must be corrected through labor entry, they are frozen after the capture
wip/cos is run (see yesterday's discussion on THAT).

It is also taking us a while to get our procedures nailed down-we've been
working on it since the new year. There is some good news: the scrap from
the shop floor is not going to automatically fall into inspection
processing/create a DMR that has to be dispositioned in eMFG 5.0 (or so I'm
told). I don't yet know exactly how that's done, since I haven't even
opened the 5.0 CD-been trying to get QM running.

Already seeing some positive results, though: people are beginning to
understand the real, true flow of parts through the Vantage system, so that
is a plus. And AP seems to think they're already spending less time
tracking down "unreceived" parts. Not to mention that we have less
confusion over where stuff is.

So you give and you get.

Just my opinions.

Lydia
Canyon Engineering Products, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Trzaska, Mark [mailto:mtrzaska@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 12:07 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Quality Module

We are using it. It took us probably 6 months to figure out what to do in
the variety of situations that come up. As far as i know we think we got it
down.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wendy Bowen (Pursche) [mailto:wpursche@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:32 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Quality Module


We have the Quality Module, but aren't really using it. We're having a hard
time understanding all the functions.


Wendy Bowen (Pursche)
Network Administrator
Schmald Tool & Die, Inc.
(810) 743-1600 ext.323
wpursche@...


----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schippers <RichS@...>
To: 'Vantage' <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:07 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Quality Module


> Is anyone using the Quality Module. If so how often do you clear the
scrap
> reported against the jobs?
>
> Rich Schippers
> Quality Assurance Manager
> Wire Maid Manufacturing, Ltd.
> Phone: 715-359-0545
> Fax: 715-355-1353
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Any documentation you feel like sharing???? How you applied it to your
processes, etc.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trzaska, Mark [mailto:mtrzaska@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 2:07 PM
> To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Quality Module
>
>
> We are using it. It took us probably 6 months to figure out
> what to do in
> the variety of situations that come up. As far as i know we
> think we got it
> down.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wendy Bowen (Pursche) [mailto:wpursche@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:32 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Quality Module
>
>
> We have the Quality Module, but aren't really using it.
> We're having a hard
> time understanding all the functions.
>
>
> Wendy Bowen (Pursche)
> Network Administrator
> Schmald Tool & Die, Inc.
> (810) 743-1600 ext.323
> wpursche@...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Schippers <RichS@...>
> To: 'Vantage' <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:07 PM
> Subject: [Vantage] Quality Module
>
>
> > Is anyone using the Quality Module. If so how often do you
> clear the
> scrap
> > reported against the jobs?
> >
> > Rich Schippers
> > Quality Assurance Manager
> > Wire Maid Manufacturing, Ltd.
> > Phone: 715-359-0545
> > Fax: 715-355-1353
> >
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Correct we do the same thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: John [mailto:JYohann@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 2:41 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Quality Module


We are using the Quality module. We have a report to show what scrap has
been reported via datacollection daily. We clear these out on a daily basis
other wise they would overwhelm the inpection processing que.

John Yohannan
BMC Inc.








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Don't forget that in Version 5.0 one of the changes deals directly with this
"non-inspected" scrap issue. In 5.0 the Data Collection operator will have
choice to report the parts in question as scrap or as discrepant. If it is
reported as Scrap then Vantage will behave as it did before the QA module
was around. If the quantity is reported as discrepant then it will go to
the QA inspection queue. This should eliminate the administrative headache
for most scenarios.

Regards,

John Frost
Vantage Customer Account Manager.

-----Original Message-----
From: Norm Watkins [mailto:nwatkins@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 3:01 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Quality Module

We have the Q Module turned on, but believe it is not very functional. This
is how we think it works: Any scrap entered will generate a line item in
"Inspection Processing", and if it is not cleared, a job will not be able to
be closed. If parts are rejected in "Inpection Processing", a line item is
generated in "DMR Processing". If parts are accepted (after rework, repair,
etc.) in either "Inspection/DMR Processing" they simply disappear. They
have to be manually entered as a job adjustment to show up in a job as
completed parts.

So at this point, we do scrap parts so scrap is visible, but in "Inpsection
Processing" we accept them all to avoid the troublesome additional DMR
processing time and clear the way for closing jobs.

Norm Watkins
ELECPAC


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Unfortunately this leaves the decision to the operator to
report as scrap or discrepant. Many businesses don't want the
operator making that decision. What epicor needs to do is
add OPTIONS in the system configuration to let us choose how
to do it. We are expecting this change to create administrative
headaches when operators start using this new feature that we
have no control over.

John Frost wrote:
>
> Don't forget that in Version 5.0 one of the changes deals directly with this
> "non-inspected" scrap issue. In 5.0 the Data Collection operator will have
> choice to report the parts in question as scrap or as discrepant. If it is
> reported as Scrap then Vantage will behave as it did before the QA module
> was around. If the quantity is reported as discrepant then it will go to
> the QA inspection queue. This should eliminate the administrative headache
> for most scenarios.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Frost
> Vantage Customer Account Manager.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norm Watkins [mailto:nwatkins@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 3:01 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Quality Module
>
> We have the Q Module turned on, but believe it is not very functional. This
> is how we think it works: Any scrap entered will generate a line item in
> "Inspection Processing", and if it is not cleared, a job will not be able to
> be closed. If parts are rejected in "Inpection Processing", a line item is
> generated in "DMR Processing". If parts are accepted (after rework, repair,
> etc.) in either "Inspection/DMR Processing" they simply disappear. They
> have to be manually entered as a job adjustment to show up in a job as
> completed parts.
>
> So at this point, we do scrap parts so scrap is visible, but in "Inpsection
> Processing" we accept them all to avoid the troublesome additional DMR
> processing time and clear the way for closing jobs.
>
> Norm Watkins
> ELECPAC
>
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Who is responsible for clearing out the scrap?

Kathy Hambleton
Electron Energy Corporation



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From: John [mailto:JYohann@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 3:41 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Quality Module


We are using the Quality module. We have a report to show what scrap has
been reported via datacollection daily. We clear these out on a daily basis
other wise they would overwhelm the inpection processing que.

John Yohannan
BMC Inc.








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We clear the scrap weekly and then make sure it's clear before we
run End of Month programs and reports.

We got the quality module because we had the RMA or vendor
retunrs module. We have not fully implemented this module. We are
in the middle of ISO 9002 certification and didn't want to change our
procedures. It seems to be an excellent why to track quality within
Vantage/Emfg.

RRD


On 31 Jan 2001, at 12:07, Richard Schippers wrote:

Is anyone using the Quality Module. If so how often
do you clear the scrap
reported against the jobs?

Rich Schippers
Quality Assurance Manager
Wire Maid Manufacturing, Ltd.
Phone: 715-359-0545
Fax: 715-355-1353



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Russ Dover
IS Manager
Weaver Industries, Inc.
717 336 7507 phone
717 336 4182 fax
rdover@...
www.weaverind.com
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Ok, people, here is what we are trying to do:

Part A is manufactured up to sequence 50 and it goes out to a subcontract
operation to be painted. After it returns it goes to the next sequence
where it is discovered that it was painted incorrectly. It is determined
that it was our fault not the fault of the vendor. So, we want to send it
back to the vendor at our cost to be repainted.
Do we scrap at the subcontract operation and create a DMR, create a new
purchase order or what. We need to show the cost twice but need an audit
trail to show why this happened. How do you handle this. Thanks!
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Insert a new subcontract operation for painting which creates a new
requirement and a new purchase order. I would show your reject as a
rework (repaint).

-----Original Message-----
From: Sandy Morse [SMTP:smorse@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 2:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Quality Module

Ok, people, here is what we are trying to do:

Part A is manufactured up to sequence 50 and it goes out to a
subcontract
operation to be painted. After it returns it goes to the next
sequence
where it is discovered that it was painted incorrectly. It is
determined
that it was our fault not the fault of the vendor. So, we want
to send it
back to the vendor at our cost to be repainted.
Do we scrap at the subcontract operation and create a DMR,
create a new
purchase order or what. We need to show the cost twice but need
an audit
trail to show why this happened. How do you handle this.
Thanks!


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We add an "ADDED Operation" only to that job. The thought is that this way
you can see
that you sent it on the intended operation and pay that vendor for his work.
Then later you see the added operation and will see the appropriate comments
as to why it went there again. Some users don't like it, but from the cost
and paper trail aspect it works. Two purchase orders then are distinctly
separate for that job.

If the problem is caused by the Vendor, then we use the reject (DMR) route
so they know
what they've done and are required to fix at their expense.

Rhonda Sherer, Purchasing
Reeder & Kline Machine Co.


Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:50:36 -0500
From: "Sandy Morse" <smorse@...>
Subject: Quality Module

Ok, people, here is what we are trying to do:

Part A is manufactured up to sequence 50 and it goes out to a subcontract
operation to be painted. After it returns it goes to the next sequence
where it is discovered that it was painted incorrectly. It is determined
that it was our fault not the fault of the vendor. So, we want to send it
back to the vendor at our cost to be repainted.
Do we scrap at the subcontract operation and create a DMR, create a new
purchase order or what. We need to show the cost twice but need an audit
trail to show why this happened. How do you handle this. Thanks!




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I cannot seem to get the right sequence of events for rejecting subcontract
work, and where to go after that. I see where we can reject all or part of
the
lot. You can create a packslip to send it back, for rework or what ever.
And you
can create a debit or choose not to. That is pretty obvious. Then what?
How do you get it back on your dock, back to the job, what's the best way to
handle the various charges?

The only thing I can see is to reject, return and consider the transaction
complete.
Then start a new transaction, with a new PO and new subcontract op. (The
problem is,
if you ask for rework against a particular order, the vendors would rather
keep the
whole transaction under one PO. So would I, really.) This gets messy as it
goes down the payment road, and history tracking. And I question if there's
a better way. (?)

The other thing is, there does not seem to be a way to change your mind and
accept
something that has already been rejected.

I am, of course, wanting Vantage work scope, not work around solutions.

Thanks.
Rhonda Sherer
Reeder & Kline Machine
317-846-6591


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