Rev Level changes in Engineering Workbook

system · June 30, 2010, 1:57pm

Not usually. But even before I approved the new rev at the subassembly, it updated on my old rev for the FG part.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Vic Drecchio" <vic.drecchio@...> wrote:
>
> Cindy, you want to keep multiple rev's of the same Part Number in an
> approved status simultaneously?
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Cindy House
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:42 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Rev Level changes in Engineering Workbook
>
>
>
>
>
> That is very disappointing! That basically defeats being able to use Rev
> levels at all, other than the top level part.
>
> I played around a little bit with the effective dates, but maybe I will
> look
> at that again. It was the end of a long day, so I should do that again
> with
> a fresh brain.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cindy
>
> __________________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________________
>
> Cynthia A. House | Corporate Controller | GTech Precision Industries |
> 900 N. Walnut Creek Dr. | Suite 100 #1A | Mansfield, TX 76012 | Phone:
> 817-539-8014 | Cell: 817-832-8933 | Fax: 817-539-8018 | China cell:
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> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of
> Mark Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:34 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Rev Level changes in Engineering Workbook
>
> I have found that to be able to keep older revisions with older sub
> assemblies we have had to change the part number.
>
> So using your example I would create part 9000-C with sub assembly
> 5000-B if you want to be able to build both old and new at the same
> time.
>
> The other option I can think of would be to play around with the
> effective dates
>
> Mark Taylor
> Senior Document Controller
>
> Hansatech EMS provides value manufacturing through engineering and
> quality
>
> ________________________________
>
> Hansatech EMS Limited
> Benson Road
> Nuffield Industrial Estate
> Poole
> Dorset BH17 0RY
> United Kingdom
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> Behalf
> Of chouse1000
> Sent: 29 June 2010 19:26
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Rev Level changes in Engineering Workbook
>
> We are using V8.03.408B, and I am trying to add one Rev level to two
> different parts on my MOM(s), one that is a sub-assembly of the other. I
> want to leave the original Rev level for the FG with the original Rev
> level for the sub-assembly. I want to add a new Rev level for the FG
> that includes the new Rev level for the sub-assembly. However, once I
> add the new Rev level in Engineering for the sub-assembly, even though I
> have not approved it, the old rev on the FG gets updated with the new
> Rev level.
>
> For example, let's say my FG is part 9000 Rev B, and in that MOM there
> is a sub-assembly part 5000 Rev A. I want to add a Rev B to part 5000
> and add a Rev C to part 9000. I have no problem with that, but what I
> find is that now, on part 9000 Rev B, the sub-assembly now shows part
> 5000 with a Rev B instead of the Rev A that it should be.
>
> So, how do I keep the integrity of the original MOM (9000 Rev B) and
> still add new Rev levels?
>
> Thanks,
> Cindy
>
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system · June 29, 2010, 2:26pm

We are using V8.03.408B, and I am trying to add one Rev level to two different parts on my MOM(s), one that is a sub-assembly of the other. I want to leave the original Rev level for the FG with the original Rev level for the sub-assembly. I want to add a new Rev level for the FG that includes the new Rev level for the sub-assembly. However, once I add the new Rev level in Engineering for the sub-assembly, even though I have not approved it, the old rev on the FG gets updated with the new Rev level.

For example, let's say my FG is part 9000 Rev B, and in that MOM there is a sub-assembly part 5000 Rev A. I want to add a Rev B to part 5000 and add a Rev C to part 9000. I have no problem with that, but what I find is that now, on part 9000 Rev B, the sub-assembly now shows part 5000 with a Rev B instead of the Rev A that it should be.

So, how do I keep the integrity of the original MOM (9000 Rev B) and still add new Rev levels?

Thanks,
Cindy

system · June 30, 2010, 3:34am

I have found that to be able to keep older revisions with older sub
assemblies we have had to change the part number.

So using your example I would create part 9000-C with sub assembly
5000-B if you want to be able to build both old and new at the same
time.

The other option I can think of would be to play around with the
effective dates

Mark Taylor
Senior Document Controller

Hansatech EMS provides value manufacturing through engineering and
quality

________________________________

Hansatech EMS Limited
Benson Road
Nuffield Industrial Estate
Poole
Dorset BH17 0RY
United Kingdom

Tel:
Fax:
DDI:

+44 (0)1202 338200
+44 (0)1202 338202
+44 (0)1202 338228

Mark.Taylor@...
www.HansatechEMS.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of chouse1000
Sent: 29 June 2010 19:26
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Rev Level changes in Engineering Workbook

We are using V8.03.408B, and I am trying to add one Rev level to two
different parts on my MOM(s), one that is a sub-assembly of the other. I
want to leave the original Rev level for the FG with the original Rev
level for the sub-assembly. I want to add a new Rev level for the FG
that includes the new Rev level for the sub-assembly. However, once I
add the new Rev level in Engineering for the sub-assembly, even though I
have not approved it, the old rev on the FG gets updated with the new
Rev level.

For example, let's say my FG is part 9000 Rev B, and in that MOM there
is a sub-assembly part 5000 Rev A. I want to add a Rev B to part 5000
and add a Rev C to part 9000. I have no problem with that, but what I
find is that now, on part 9000 Rev B, the sub-assembly now shows part
5000 with a Rev B instead of the Rev A that it should be.

So, how do I keep the integrity of the original MOM (9000 Rev B) and
still add new Rev levels?

Thanks,
Cindy

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system · June 30, 2010, 9:05am

I'm not sure you can get what you want without using a separate part number unless you have Product Configuator. And although I wish Vantage effectively supported multiple approved revisions, most of the time I'm glad it automatically updates the revisions. It saves a lot of time not having to update all the methods to the latest subassembly rev every time there is an update.

Chris Clunn

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "chouse1000" <cindy.house@...> wrote:
>
> We are using V8.03.408B, and I am trying to add one Rev level to two different parts on my MOM(s), one that is a sub-assembly of the other. I want to leave the original Rev level for the FG with the original Rev level for the sub-assembly. I want to add a new Rev level for the FG that includes the new Rev level for the sub-assembly. However, once I add the new Rev level in Engineering for the sub-assembly, even though I have not approved it, the old rev on the FG gets updated with the new Rev level.
>
> For example, let's say my FG is part 9000 Rev B, and in that MOM there is a sub-assembly part 5000 Rev A. I want to add a Rev B to part 5000 and add a Rev C to part 9000. I have no problem with that, but what I find is that now, on part 9000 Rev B, the sub-assembly now shows part 5000 with a Rev B instead of the Rev A that it should be.
>
> So, how do I keep the integrity of the original MOM (9000 Rev B) and still add new Rev levels?
>
> Thanks,
> Cindy
>

system · June 30, 2010, 12:40pm

That is very disappointing! That basically defeats being able to use Rev
levels at all, other than the top level part.

I played around a little bit with the effective dates, but maybe I will look
at that again. It was the end of a long day, so I should do that again with
a fresh brain.

Thanks,

Cindy

____________________________________________________________________________
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Cynthia A. House | Corporate Controller | GTech Precision Industries |
900 N. Walnut Creek Dr. | Suite 100 #1A | Mansfield, TX 76012 | Phone:
817-539-8014 | Cell: 817-832-8933 | Fax: 817-539-8018 | China cell:
86-137-7103-4124 | <mailto:cindy.house@...>
cindy.house@... | <http://www.gtechprecision.com/>
www.gtechprecision.com

Alternate contact: Aundria Blackstone |
<mailto:aundria.blackstone@...>
aundria.blackstone@...

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mark Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:34 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Rev Level changes in Engineering Workbook

I have found that to be able to keep older revisions with older sub
assemblies we have had to change the part number.

So using your example I would create part 9000-C with sub assembly
5000-B if you want to be able to build both old and new at the same
time.

The other option I can think of would be to play around with the
effective dates

Mark Taylor
Senior Document Controller

Hansatech EMS provides value manufacturing through engineering and
quality

________________________________

Hansatech EMS Limited
Benson Road
Nuffield Industrial Estate
Poole
Dorset BH17 0RY
United Kingdom

Tel:
Fax:
DDI:

+44 (0)1202 338200
+44 (0)1202 338202
+44 (0)1202 338228

Mark.Taylor@... <mailto:Mark.Taylor%40HansatechEMS.com>
www.HansatechEMS.com

________________________________

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[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of chouse1000
Sent: 29 June 2010 19:26
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Rev Level changes in Engineering Workbook

We are using V8.03.408B, and I am trying to add one Rev level to two
different parts on my MOM(s), one that is a sub-assembly of the other. I
want to leave the original Rev level for the FG with the original Rev
level for the sub-assembly. I want to add a new Rev level for the FG
that includes the new Rev level for the sub-assembly. However, once I
add the new Rev level in Engineering for the sub-assembly, even though I
have not approved it, the old rev on the FG gets updated with the new
Rev level.

For example, let's say my FG is part 9000 Rev B, and in that MOM there
is a sub-assembly part 5000 Rev A. I want to add a Rev B to part 5000
and add a Rev C to part 9000. I have no problem with that, but what I
find is that now, on part 9000 Rev B, the sub-assembly now shows part
5000 with a Rev B instead of the Rev A that it should be.

So, how do I keep the integrity of the original MOM (9000 Rev B) and
still add new Rev levels?

Thanks,
Cindy

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system · June 30, 2010, 12:47pm

Cindy, you want to keep multiple rev's of the same Part Number in an
approved status simultaneously?

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cindy House
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Rev Level changes in Engineering Workbook

That is very disappointing! That basically defeats being able to use Rev
levels at all, other than the top level part.

I played around a little bit with the effective dates, but maybe I will
look
at that again. It was the end of a long day, so I should do that again
with
a fresh brain.

Thanks,

Cindy

__________________________________________________________
__________________________________________________________

Cynthia A. House | Corporate Controller | GTech Precision Industries |
900 N. Walnut Creek Dr. | Suite 100 #1A | Mansfield, TX 76012 | Phone:
817-539-8014 | Cell: 817-832-8933 | Fax: 817-539-8018 | China cell:
86-137-7103-4124 | <mailto:cindy.house@...
<mailto:cindy.house%40gtechglobal.com> >
cindy.house@... <mailto:cindy.house%40gtechglobal.com> |
<http://www.gtechprecision.com/>
www.gtechprecision.com

Alternate contact: Aundria Blackstone |
<mailto:aundria.blackstone@...
<mailto:aundria.blackstone%40gtechglobal.com> >
aundria.blackstone@...
<mailto:aundria.blackstone%40gtechglobal.com>

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[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
Mark Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:34 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Rev Level changes in Engineering Workbook

I have found that to be able to keep older revisions with older sub
assemblies we have had to change the part number.

So using your example I would create part 9000-C with sub assembly
5000-B if you want to be able to build both old and new at the same
time.

The other option I can think of would be to play around with the
effective dates

Mark Taylor
Senior Document Controller

Hansatech EMS provides value manufacturing through engineering and
quality

________________________________

Hansatech EMS Limited
Benson Road
Nuffield Industrial Estate
Poole
Dorset BH17 0RY
United Kingdom

Tel:
Fax:
DDI:

+44 (0)1202 338200
+44 (0)1202 338202
+44 (0)1202 338228

Mark.Taylor@... <mailto:Mark.Taylor%40HansatechEMS.com>
<mailto:Mark.Taylor%40HansatechEMS.com>
www.HansatechEMS.com

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Sent: 29 June 2010 19:26
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Rev Level changes in Engineering Workbook

We are using V8.03.408B, and I am trying to add one Rev level to two
different parts on my MOM(s), one that is a sub-assembly of the other. I
want to leave the original Rev level for the FG with the original Rev
level for the sub-assembly. I want to add a new Rev level for the FG
that includes the new Rev level for the sub-assembly. However, once I
add the new Rev level in Engineering for the sub-assembly, even though I
have not approved it, the old rev on the FG gets updated with the new
Rev level.

For example, let's say my FG is part 9000 Rev B, and in that MOM there
is a sub-assembly part 5000 Rev A. I want to add a Rev B to part 5000
and add a Rev C to part 9000. I have no problem with that, but what I
find is that now, on part 9000 Rev B, the sub-assembly now shows part
5000 with a Rev B instead of the Rev A that it should be.

So, how do I keep the integrity of the original MOM (9000 Rev B) and
still add new Rev levels?

Thanks,
Cindy

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system · June 30, 2010, 12:53pm

Well, I think that I agree with only having one approved revision, because it is usually critical to use the most current revision level. You can always do a job with an old revision level, if you really need to, but I am surprised that when you add a new rev at the top level, and then change the lower level rev, then vantage goes back and changes the previous top level rev with that change. Seems like it would update only the current rev. Or at least allow you to reopen the old rev and change to the old subassembly rev, but you can only choose the part, not the rev. Very strange.

Thanks,
Cindy

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "saab_barracuda" <chris.clunn@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure you can get what you want without using a separate part number unless you have Product Configuator. And although I wish Vantage effectively supported multiple approved revisions, most of the time I'm glad it automatically updates the revisions. It saves a lot of time not having to update all the methods to the latest subassembly rev every time there is an update.
>
>
> Chris Clunn
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "chouse1000" <cindy.house@> wrote:
> >
> > We are using V8.03.408B, and I am trying to add one Rev level to two different parts on my MOM(s), one that is a sub-assembly of the other. I want to leave the original Rev level for the FG with the original Rev level for the sub-assembly. I want to add a new Rev level for the FG that includes the new Rev level for the sub-assembly. However, once I add the new Rev level in Engineering for the sub-assembly, even though I have not approved it, the old rev on the FG gets updated with the new Rev level.
> >
> > For example, let's say my FG is part 9000 Rev B, and in that MOM there is a sub-assembly part 5000 Rev A. I want to add a Rev B to part 5000 and add a Rev C to part 9000. I have no problem with that, but what I find is that now, on part 9000 Rev B, the sub-assembly now shows part 5000 with a Rev B instead of the Rev A that it should be.
> >
> > So, how do I keep the integrity of the original MOM (9000 Rev B) and still add new Rev levels?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Cindy
> >
>