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So are you saying that it does not matter whether the revision is approved or unapproved? It will use the latest one?

Jasper

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For Vantage 8.00:

Engineering Workbench is the app that populates the PartMtl table. In
Eng workbench you can NOT specify the revision for child materials or
subassemblies. It takes the latest revision (notice I did NOT say
latest APPROVED revision). Costing follows the same logic (or illogic
as it seems). So although Epicor will tell you that they support
multiple approved revisions, in practice, they don't. We put in an
enhancement request to add this feature but I haven't seen it so far.
We had to add separate part numbers for different revisions as a
workaround.

Again, the above is for 8.00 so I don't know about 8.03+.

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> Hi, all
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> In the PartMtl table there is a revision number field for the
parent, but
> there this no revision number for the child, then how does vantage
decide
> which rev number to use for the child? And also I couldn't find
unit of
> measure field in this table either. Is there another table takes care of
> this?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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> Bill Wu
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Hi, all



In the PartMtl table there is a revision number field for the parent, but
there this no revision number for the child, then how does vantage decide
which rev number to use for the child? And also I couldn't find unit of
measure field in this table either. Is there another table takes care of
this?



Thanks.



Bill Wu



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 I would guess that the PartRev table would dictate the rev of the 'child' part , grabbing whichever is the most current approved Rev? However, when building a BOM you can specify which rev of a 'child' part you want, so now I'm not sure, there is a temp-Table 'PartBOM' in the Data Dictionary that has a rev field for the MtlpartNum that Vantage uses somehow. I'd bet the 'IUM' comes from the 'Part' table.

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From: Bill Wu <billw@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 27, 2008, 7:05 PM






Hi, all

In the PartMtl table there is a revision number field for the parent, but
there this no revision number for the child, then how does vantage decide
which rev number to use for the child? And also I couldn't find unit of
measure field in this table either. Is there another table takes care of
this?

Thanks.

Bill Wu

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Bill, It looks like, if in the Part maintenance  set-up (child part) if 'Use Rev' is checked, then the latest, approved revision will be defaulted to-when adding this part to a BOM - I'm guessing likewise for the PartMtl table.

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From: Bill Wu <billw@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 27, 2008, 7:05 PM






Hi, all

In the PartMtl table there is a revision number field for the parent, but
there this no revision number for the child, then how does vantage decide
which rev number to use for the child? And also I couldn't find unit of
measure field in this table either. Is there another table takes care of
this?

Thanks.

Bill Wu

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Then the question really becomes "Does Vantage really support more than one
active revision numbers". If I need to use rev B instead of rev A, I'm
expecting a row in partmtl to say that Model XXXX with Rev 01 has a part
YYYY with a rev B. There are four values, so you need at least four fields.
Am I correct? That was my question. I'm new to Vantage, so please help.



Thanks





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Bill Jackson
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM



Bill, It looks like, if in the Part maintenance set-up (child part) if 'Use
Rev' is checked, then the latest, approved revision will be defaulted
to-when adding this part to a BOM - I'm guessing likewise for the PartMtl
table.

--- On Sun, 4/27/08, Bill Wu <billw@libertypumps.
<mailto:billw%40libertypumps.com> com> wrote:

From: Bill Wu <billw@libertypumps. <mailto:billw%40libertypumps.com> com>
Subject: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Date: Sunday, April 27, 2008, 7:05 PM

Hi, all

In the PartMtl table there is a revision number field for the parent, but
there this no revision number for the child, then how does vantage decide
which rev number to use for the child? And also I couldn't find unit of
measure field in this table either. Is there another table takes care of
this?

Thanks.

Bill Wu

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Bill,

Referencing specific component Part Rev (and potentially alternate methods) in PartMtl would create an unwieldy BOM maintenance, EC Rev control and job detail generation model. (It would be a nightmare of detail to maintain.)

The component is assumed to be at the highest (alphanumerically highest) approved Rev (the default Rev) and to use the primary method (not alternates).

U/M is assumed to be your stocking U/M.

Rob Brown

--- On Sun, 4/27/08, Bill Wu <billw@...> wrote:

From: Bill Wu <billw@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 27, 2008, 7:05 PM






Hi, all

In the PartMtl table there is a revision number field for the parent, but
there this no revision number for the child, then how does vantage decide
which rev number to use for the child? And also I couldn't find unit of
measure field in this table either. Is there another table takes care of
this?

Thanks.

Bill Wu

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PartBOM is a temp table used to generate the indented BOM report (and nothing else).

--- On Mon, 4/28/08, Bill Jackson <fujijapman@...> wrote:

From: Bill Jackson <fujijapman@...>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 28, 2008, 8:35 AM






 I would guess that the PartRev table would dictate the rev of the 'child' part , grabbing whichever is the most current approved Rev? However, when building a BOM you can specify which rev of a 'child' part you want, so now I'm not sure, there is a temp-Table 'PartBOM' in the Data Dictionary that has a rev field for the MtlpartNum that Vantage uses somehow. I'd bet the 'IUM' comes from the 'Part' table.

--- On Sun, 4/27/08, Bill Wu <billw@libertypumps. com> wrote:

From: Bill Wu <billw@libertypumps. com>
Subject: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Date: Sunday, April 27, 2008, 7:05 PM

Hi, all

In the PartMtl table there is a revision number field for the parent, but
there this no revision number for the child, then how does vantage decide
which rev number to use for the child? And also I couldn't find unit of
measure field in this table either. Is there another table takes care of
this?

Thanks.

Bill Wu

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Bill,

Multi-Rev's can be active and it is up to the planner to decide what Rev to use when generating Job Details. By default, the 'highest' (aphanumeric) Rev will be used & pulled into the Part Rev field of the Job Header. This Rev will also be suggested for use when you 'Get Details" (but you can select an alternate method - or an entirely different approved Rev). If you do select a different rev method, the Job Header Rev will not change so it can get confusing unless you immediately update the header to match the rev you actually are using. (You could create a small customization to facilitate this if it is a big issue for you).

MRP uses the 'default rev'.

The only time this model will possibly create difficulties for you is if you use non-stock/phantom/Use-Part-Rev components in your methods that are flagged as View and Pull as Assembly.

When creating a job against such a multi-level phantom structure, you have little (if any) control of the rev pulled into the job details for the phantom sub assemblies flagged as View/Pull as assembly.

It takes some getting used to. The big 'mind shift' (paradigm change) for useis having effectivity/discontinue dating at the top level Rev instead of in the BOM at each component(as many/most other systems support).

Rob Brown


--- On Mon, 4/28/08, Bill Wu <billw@...> wrote:

From: Bill Wu <billw@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 28, 2008, 9:28 AM






Then the question really becomes "Does Vantage really support more than one
active revision numbers". If I need to use rev B instead of rev A, I'm
expecting a row in partmtl to say that Model XXXX with Rev 01 has a part
YYYY with a rev B. There are four values, so you need at least four fields.
Am I correct? That was my question. I'm new to Vantage, so please help.

Thanks

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of
Bill Jackson
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM

Bill, It looks like, if in the Part maintenance set-up (child part) if 'Use
Rev' is checked, then the latest, approved revision will be defaulted
to-when adding this part to a BOM - I'm guessing likewise for the PartMtl
table.

--- On Sun, 4/27/08, Bill Wu <billw@libertypumps .
<mailto:billw% 40libertypumps. com> com> wrote:

From: Bill Wu <billw@libertypumps . <mailto:billw% 40libertypumps. com> com>
Subject: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> .com
Date: Sunday, April 27, 2008, 7:05 PM

Hi, all

In the PartMtl table there is a revision number field for the parent, but
there this no revision number for the child, then how does vantage decide
which rev number to use for the child? And also I couldn't find unit of
measure field in this table either. Is there another table takes care of
this?

Thanks.

Bill Wu

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It's my understanding that Vantage uses the latest approved revision based on the effective date.

However, if the latest revision is unapproved, does Vantage actually skip to the next revision? I've had experience to suggest that it does not care if the revision is approved or unapproved, it only looks at the effective date.

Also, when you do a cost roll up, Vantage looks at the latest effective date and does not care if it's approved or unapproved.

Has anybody else experience this or am I just seeing things. (In Version 6.1)

Thanks,
Jasper



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Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 10:18 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM



Bill,

Multi-Rev's can be active and it is up to the planner to decide what Rev to use when generating Job Details. By default, the 'highest' (aphanumeric) Rev will be used & pulled into the Part Rev field of the Job Header. This Rev will also be suggested for use when you 'Get Details" (but you can select an alternate method - or an entirely different approved Rev). If you do select a different rev method, the Job Header Rev will not change so it can get confusing unless you immediately update the header to match the rev you actually are using. (You could create a small customization to facilitate this if it is a big issue for you).

MRP uses the 'default rev'.

The only time this model will possibly create difficulties for you is if you use non-stock/phantom/­Use-Part-­Rev components in your methods that are flagged as View and Pull as Assembly.

When creating a job against such a multi-level phantom structure, you have little (if any) control of the rev pulled into the job details for the phantom sub assemblies flagged as View/Pull as assembly.

It takes some getting used to. The big 'mind shift' (paradigm change) for useis having effectivity/­discontinue dating at the top level Rev instead of in the BOM at each component(as many/most other systems support).

Rob Brown

--- On Mon, 4/28/08, Bill Wu < billw@libertypumps.­com<mailto:billw%40libertypumps.com>> wrote:

From: Bill Wu < billw@libertypumps.­com<mailto:billw%40libertypumps.com>>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM
To: vantage@yahoogroups­.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, April 28, 2008, 9:28 AM

Then the question really becomes "Does Vantage really support more than one
active revision numbers". If I need to use rev B instead of rev A, I'm
expecting a row in partmtl to say that Model XXXX with Rev 01 has a part
YYYY with a rev B. There are four values, so you need at least four fields.
Am I correct? That was my question. I'm new to Vantage, so please help.

Thanks

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@­yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of
Bill Jackson
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM

Bill, It looks like, if in the Part maintenance set-up (child part) if 'Use
Rev' is checked, then the latest, approved revision will be defaulted
to-when adding this part to a BOM - I'm guessing likewise for the PartMtl
table.

--- On Sun, 4/27/08, Bill Wu <billw@libertypumps .
<mailto:billw% 40libertypumps. com> com> wrote:

From: Bill Wu <billw@libertypumps . <mailto:billw% 40libertypumps. com> com>
Subject: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> .com
Date: Sunday, April 27, 2008, 7:05 PM

Hi, all

In the PartMtl table there is a revision number field for the parent, but
there this no revision number for the child, then how does vantage decide
which rev number to use for the child? And also I couldn't find unit of
measure field in this table either. Is there another table takes care of
this?

Thanks.

Bill Wu

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In v8 (404) Job Entry, MRP, Order Job Wizard (Order Entry) & Job Manager all respect the approved flag and skip over unapproved rev's.

PO Entry does no checking as to whether the Rev is approved and simply grabs the 'highest' alphanumeric Rev. I create a customization to warn the buyer if an unapproved Rev is default selected and also adjusted the combo box default Rev pull down selection control to utilize an 'Approved=True' Filter-seclection parameter so it only shows approved Rev's when they reselect.

RFQ Entry does not respect approved Rev flags either (perhaps by design as it is not unheard of to request preliminary pricing on a revised part before it is actually approved by engineering).

I customized RFQ entry similarly to PO Entry but the 'Approved=True' Rev control parameter didn't work and I simply display whether the reselected rev is approved via a textbox pointing at PartRev.Approved (pulled into the app via a Foreign Key View).

Costing concerns me as I have no idea (yet) how the cost workbench will handle revision approvals during rolls.

Rob Brown

--- On Mon, 4/28/08, Jasper Recto <jrecto@...> wrote:

From: Jasper Recto <jrecto@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM
To: "'vantage@yahoogroups.com'" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, April 28, 2008, 10:27 AM






It's my understanding that Vantage uses the latest approved revision based on the effective date.

However, if the latest revision is unapproved, does Vantage actually skip to the next revision? I've had experience to suggest that it does not care if the revision is approved or unapproved, it only looks at the effective date.

Also, when you do a cost roll up, Vantage looks at the latest effective date and does not care if it's approved or unapproved.

Has anybody else experience this or am I just seeing things. (In Version 6.1)

Thanks,
Jasper

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From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com]On Behalf Of Robert Brown
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 10:18 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM

Bill,

Multi-Rev's can be active and it is up to the planner to decide what Rev to use when generating Job Details. By default, the 'highest' (aphanumeric) Rev will be used & pulled into the Part Rev field of the Job Header. This Rev will also be suggested for use when you 'Get Details" (but you can select an alternate method - or an entirely different approved Rev). If you do select a different rev method, the Job Header Rev will not change so it can get confusing unless you immediately update the header to match the rev you actually are using. (You could create a small customization to facilitate this if it is a big issue for you).

MRP uses the 'default rev'.

The only time this model will possibly create difficulties for you is if you use non-stock/phantom/­ Use-Part-­ Rev components in your methods that are flagged as View and Pull as Assembly.

When creating a job against such a multi-level phantom structure, you have little (if any) control of the rev pulled into the job details for the phantom sub assemblies flagged as View/Pull as assembly.

It takes some getting used to. The big 'mind shift' (paradigm change) for useis having effectivity/­ discontinue dating at the top level Rev instead of in the BOM at each component(as many/most other systems support).

Rob Brown

--- On Mon, 4/28/08, Bill Wu < billw@libertypumps.­ com<mailto: billw%40libertyp umps.com> > wrote:

From: Bill Wu < billw@libertypumps.­ com<mailto: billw%40libertyp umps.com> >
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM
To: vantage@yahoogroups­ .com<mailto: vantage%40yahoog roups.com>
Date: Monday, April 28, 2008, 9:28 AM

Then the question really becomes "Does Vantage really support more than one
active revision numbers". If I need to use rev B instead of rev A, I'm
expecting a row in partmtl to say that Model XXXX with Rev 01 has a part
YYYY with a rev B. There are four values, so you need at least four fields.
Am I correct? That was my question. I'm new to Vantage, so please help.

Thanks

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@­ yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of
Bill Jackson
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM

Bill, It looks like, if in the Part maintenance set-up (child part) if 'Use
Rev' is checked, then the latest, approved revision will be defaulted
to-when adding this part to a BOM - I'm guessing likewise for the PartMtl
table.

--- On Sun, 4/27/08, Bill Wu <billw@libertypumps .
<mailto:billw% 40libertypumps. com> com> wrote:

From: Bill Wu <billw@libertypumps . <mailto:billw% 40libertypumps. com> com>
Subject: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> .com
Date: Sunday, April 27, 2008, 7:05 PM

Hi, all

In the PartMtl table there is a revision number field for the parent, but
there this no revision number for the child, then how does vantage decide
which rev number to use for the child? And also I couldn't find unit of
measure field in this table either. Is there another table takes care of
this?

Thanks.

Bill Wu

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The one thing I have not seen listed in this thread is mentioned in the 803.400 MRP manual, which is better than any of the past manuals.
MRP or Job Creation will consider the latest approved revision by default if the USE PART REV flag is checked in the part master.
It goes on to say that if this flag is not checked in the part master, MRP/Job creation will use the revision that was specified on the sales order/etc, provided that it is approved.

I have no idea how this works with RFQ, PO entry...but it is a thought.

Carey


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In v8 (404) Job Entry, MRP, Order Job Wizard (Order Entry) & Job Manager all respect the approved flag and skip over unapproved rev's.PO Entry does no checking as to whether the Rev is approved and simply grabs the 'highest' alphanumeric Rev. I create a customization to warn the buyer if an unapproved Rev is default selected and also adjusted the combo box default Rev pull down selection control to utilize an 'Approved=True' Filter-seclection parameter so it only shows approved Rev's when they reselect.RFQ Entry does not respect approved Rev flags either (perhaps by design as it is not unheard of to request preliminary pricing on a revised part before it is actually approved by engineering).I customized RFQ entry similarly to PO Entry but the 'Approved=True' Rev control parameter didn't work and I simply display whether the reselected rev is approved via a textbox pointing at PartRev.Approved (pulled into the app via a Foreign Key View).Costing concerns me as I have no idea (yet) how the cost workbench will handle revision approvals during rolls.Rob Brown --- On Mon, 4/28/08, Jasper Recto <jrecto@...> wrote:From: Jasper Recto <jrecto@...>Subject: RE: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOMTo: "'vantage@yahoogroups.com'" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>Date: Monday, April 28, 2008, 10:27 AMIt's my understanding that Vantage uses the latest approved revision based on the effective date.However, if the latest revision is unapproved, does Vantage actually skip to the next revision? I've had experience to suggest that it does not care if the revision is approved or unapproved, it only looks at the effective date.Also, when you do a cost roll up, Vantage looks at the latest effective date and does not care if it's approved or unapproved.Has anybody else experience this or am I just seeing things. (In Version 6.1)Thanks,Jasper-----Original Message-----From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com]On Behalf Of Robert BrownSent: Monday, April 28, 2008 10:18 AMTo: vantage@yahoogroups .comSubject: RE: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOMBill,Multi-Rev's can be active and it is up to the planner to decide what Rev to use when generating Job Details. By default, the 'highest' (aphanumeric) Rev will be used & pulled into the Part Rev field of the Job Header. This Rev will also be suggested for use when you 'Get Details" (but you can select an alternate method - or an entirely different approved Rev). If you do select a different rev method, the Job Header Rev will not change so it can get confusing unless you immediately update the header to match the rev you actually are using. (You could create a small customization to facilitate this if it is a big issue for you).MRP uses the 'default rev'.The only time this model will possibly create difficulties for you is if you use non-stock/phantom/­ Use-Part-­ Rev components in your methods that are flagged as View and Pull as Assembly.When creating a job against such a multi-level phantom structure, you have little (if any) control of the rev pulled into the job details for the phantom sub assemblies flagged as View/Pull as assembly.It takes some getting used to. The big 'mind shift' (paradigm change) for useis having effectivity/­ discontinue dating at the top level Rev instead of in the BOM at each component(as many/most other systems support).Rob Brown--- On Mon, 4/28/08, Bill Wu < billw@libertypumps.­ com<mailto: billw%40libertyp umps.com> > wrote:From: Bill Wu < billw@libertypumps.­ com<mailto: billw%40libertyp umps.com> >Subject: RE: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOMTo: vantage@yahoogroups­ .com<mailto: vantage%40yahoog roups.com>Date: Monday, April 28, 2008, 9:28 AMThen the question really becomes "Does Vantage really support more than oneactive revision numbers". If I need to use rev B instead of rev A, I'mexpecting a row in partmtl to say that Model XXXX with Rev 01 has a partYYYY with a rev B. There are four values, so you need at least four fields.Am I correct? That was my question. I'm new to Vantage, so please help.Thanks_____From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@­ yahoogroups .com] On Behalf OfBill JacksonSent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:00 AMTo: vantage@yahoogroups .comSubject: Re: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOMBill, It looks like, if in the Part maintenance set-up (child part) if 'UseRev' is checked, then the latest, approved revision will be defaultedto-when adding this part to a BOM - I'm guessing likewise for the PartMtltable.--- On Sun, 4/27/08, Bill Wu <billw@libertypumps .<mailto:billw% 40libertypumps. com> com> wrote:From: Bill Wu <billw@libertypumps . <mailto:billw% 40libertypumps. com> com>Subject: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOMTo: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> .comDate: Sunday, April 27, 2008, 7:05 PMHi, allIn the PartMtl table there is a revision number field for the parent, butthere this no revision number for the child, then how does vantage decidewhich rev number to use for the child? 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I can't think of too many manufacturing environments (complex enough to justify an ERP system in Vantage's class) that could get away with not setting up their parts to Use Part Rev.

I can't picture how often a multicomponent BOM (let alone a multi-level product structure) would happen to have all components at the same valid approved Rev level (making use of sales order Part Rev a valid driver).

We are assemble to order... 7,000+ stocked components supporting several billion combo's of top level configured/sold assemblies.

The Rev's will never be the same for us (or any manufacturer I've worked for in 30 years).

I took the .400 MRP manual's description as more sales schmooz capability than real world practical/useable function.

Rob Brown

--- On Mon, 4/28/08, Carey S <rotary1@...> wrote:

From: Carey S <rotary1@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 28, 2008, 1:22 PM






The one thing I have not seen listed in this thread is mentioned in the 803.400 MRP manual, which is better than any of the past manuals.
MRP or Job Creation will consider the latest approved revision by default if the USE PART REV flag is checked in the part master.
It goes on to say that if this flag is not checked in the part master, MRP/Job creation will use the revision that was specified on the sales order/etc, provided that it is approved.

I have no idea how this works with RFQ, PO entry...but it is a thought.

Carey

To: vantage@yahoogroups .comFrom: robertb_versa@ yahoo.comDate: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:28:00 -0700Subject: RE: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM

In v8 (404) Job Entry, MRP, Order Job Wizard (Order Entry) & Job Manager all respect the approved flag and skip over unapproved rev's.PO Entry does no checking as to whether the Rev is approved and simply grabs the 'highest' alphanumeric Rev. I create a customization to warn the buyer if an unapproved Rev is default selected and also adjusted the combo box default Rev pull down selection control to utilize an 'Approved=True' Filter-seclection parameter so it only shows approved Rev's when they reselect.RFQ Entry does not respect approved Rev flags either (perhaps by design as it is not unheard of to request preliminary pricing on a revised part before it is actually approved by engineering) .I customized RFQ entry similarly to PO Entry but the 'Approved=True' Rev control parameter didn't work and I simply display whether the reselected rev is approved via a textbox pointing at PartRev.Approved (pulled into the app via a Foreign Key View).Costing concerns
me as I have no idea (yet) how the cost workbench will handle revision approvals during rolls.Rob Brown --- On Mon, 4/28/08, Jasper Recto <jrecto@locper. com> wrote:From: Jasper Recto <jrecto@locper. com>Subject: RE: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOMTo: "'vantage@yahoogroup s.com'" <vantage@yahoogroups .com>Date: Monday, April 28, 2008, 10:27 AMIt's my understanding that Vantage uses the latest approved revision based on the effective date.However, if the latest revision is unapproved, does Vantage actually skip to the next revision? I've had experience to suggest that it does not care if the revision is approved or unapproved, it only looks at the effective date.Also, when you do a cost roll up, Vantage looks at the latest effective date and does not care if it's approved or unapproved.Has anybody else experience this or am I just seeing things. (In Version 6.1)Thanks,Jasper- ----Original Message----- From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@
yahoogroups .com]On Behalf Of Robert BrownSent: Monday, April 28, 2008 10:18 AMTo: vantage@yahoogroups .comSubject: RE: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOMBill,Multi- Rev's can be active and it is up to the planner to decide what Rev to use when generating Job Details. By default, the 'highest' (aphanumeric) Rev will be used & pulled into the Part Rev field of the Job Header. This Rev will also be suggested for use when you 'Get Details" (but you can select an alternate method - or an entirely different approved Rev). If you do select a different rev method, the Job Header Rev will not change so it can get confusing unless you immediately update the header to match the rev you actually are using. (You could create a small customization to facilitate this if it is a big issue for you).MRP uses the 'default rev'.The only time this model will possibly create difficulties for you is if you use non-stock/phantom/­ Use-Part-­ Rev components in your methods
that are flagged as View and Pull as Assembly.When creating a job against such a multi-level phantom structure, you have little (if any) control of the rev pulled into the job details for the phantom sub assemblies flagged as View/Pull as assembly.It takes some getting used to. The big 'mind shift' (paradigm change) for useis having effectivity/­ discontinue dating at the top level Rev instead of in the BOM at each component(as many/most other systems support).Rob Brown--- On Mon, 4/28/08, Bill Wu < billw@libertypumps.­ com<mailto: billw%40libertyp umps.com> > wrote:From: Bill Wu < billw@libertypumps.­ com<mailto: billw%40libertyp umps.com> >Subject: RE: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOMTo: vantage@yahoogroups­ .com<mailto: vantage%40yahoog roups.com>Date: Monday, April 28, 2008, 9:28 AMThen the question really becomes "Does Vantage really support more than oneactive revision numbers". If I need to use rev B instead of rev A, I'mexpecting a row in
partmtl to say that Model XXXX with Rev 01 has a partYYYY with a rev B. There are four values, so you need at least four fields.Am I correct? That was my question. I'm new to Vantage, so please help.Thanks_ ____From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@­ yahoogroups .com] On Behalf OfBill JacksonSent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:00 AMTo: vantage@yahoogroups .comSubject: Re: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOMBill, It looks like, if in the Part maintenance set-up (child part) if 'UseRev' is checked, then the latest, approved revision will be defaultedto- when adding this part to a BOM - I'm guessing likewise for the PartMtltable. --- On Sun, 4/27/08, Bill Wu <billw@libertypumps .<mailto:billw% 40libertypumps. com> com> wrote:From: Bill Wu <billw@libertypumps . <mailto:billw% 40libertypumps. com> com>Subject: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOMTo: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> .comDate: Sunday, April 27, 2008, 7:05 PMHi, allIn
the PartMtl table there is a revision number field for the parent, butthere this no revision number for the child, then how does vantage decidewhich rev number to use for the child? And also I couldn't find unit ofmeasure field in this table either. Is there another table takes care ofthis?Thanks. Bill Wu[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]____ ________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Be a better friend, newshound, andknow-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.< http://mobile. yahoo.com/ ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ>yahoo.com/ ;_ ylt=Ahu06i62sR8H DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ[ Non-text portions of this message have been removed]____ ________­ _________­ _________­ _________­ _________­ _________­ _Be a better friend, newshound, andknow-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.­yahoo.com/­;_ ylt=Ahu06i62sR­ 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA­ cJ<http://mobile. yahoo.com/ ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA
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For Vantage 8.00:

Engineering Workbench is the app that populates the PartMtl table. In
Eng workbench you can NOT specify the revision for child materials or
subassemblies. It takes the latest revision (notice I did NOT say
latest APPROVED revision). Costing follows the same logic (or illogic
as it seems). So although Epicor will tell you that they support
multiple approved revisions, in practice, they don't. We put in an
enhancement request to add this feature but I haven't seen it so far.
We had to add separate part numbers for different revisions as a
workaround.

Again, the above is for 8.00 so I don't know about 8.03+.


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Wu" <billw@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, all
>
>
>
> In the PartMtl table there is a revision number field for the
parent, but
> there this no revision number for the child, then how does vantage
decide
> which rev number to use for the child? And also I couldn't find
unit of
> measure field in this table either. Is there another table takes care of
> this?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Bill Wu
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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If the Use Revisions check box is checked on the 1st panel in Part
Maintenance then the system will automatically select an approved revision
based on the effective date. If the current revision is not approved and
there is a prior approved revision it will use the prior revision. If there
is no prior approved revision then a job cannot be created nor will the part
cost correctly in the costing workbench. It will not use a revision that
has an effective date in the future. A part with a single unapproved,
effective revision will generate problems everywhere in Vantage.



Not checking the Use Revisions check box does not mean you cannot have
multiple revisions per part, however, the revision selection will become a
manual process, i.e. you will need to specify the revision when ever a part
number is needed, i.e. Engineering Work Bench, Job Entry, Sales Order Entry,
etc. This is the only way I am aware of to have multiple revisions for a
part effective at the same time. At least, this is the way it was explained
to us. We do not use it this way.



_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jasper Recto
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:28 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM



It's my understanding that Vantage uses the latest approved revision based
on the effective date.

However, if the latest revision is unapproved, does Vantage actually skip to
the next revision? I've had experience to suggest that it does not care if
the revision is approved or unapproved, it only looks at the effective date.

Also, when you do a cost roll up, Vantage looks at the latest effective date
and does not care if it's approved or unapproved.

Has anybody else experience this or am I just seeing things. (In Version
6.1)

Thanks,
Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com]On
Behalf Of Robert Brown
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 10:18 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM

Bill,

Multi-Rev's can be active and it is up to the planner to decide what Rev to
use when generating Job Details. By default, the 'highest' (aphanumeric) Rev
will be used & pulled into the Part Rev field of the Job Header. This Rev
will also be suggested for use when you 'Get Details" (but you can select an
alternate method - or an entirely different approved Rev). If you do select
a different rev method, the Job Header Rev will not change so it can get
confusing unless you immediately update the header to match the rev you
actually are using. (You could create a small customization to facilitate
this if it is a big issue for you).

MRP uses the 'default rev'.

The only time this model will possibly create difficulties for you is if you
use non-stock/phantom/-Use-Part--Rev components in your methods that are
flagged as View and Pull as Assembly.

When creating a job against such a multi-level phantom structure, you have
little (if any) control of the rev pulled into the job details for the
phantom sub assemblies flagged as View/Pull as assembly.

It takes some getting used to. The big 'mind shift' (paradigm change) for
useis having effectivity/-discontinue dating at the top level Rev instead of
in the BOM at each component(as many/most other systems support).

Rob Brown

--- On Mon, 4/28/08, Bill Wu <
billw@libertypumps.-com<mailto:billw%40libertypumps.com>> wrote:

From: Bill Wu < billw@libertypumps.-com<mailto:billw%40libertypumps.com>>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM
To: vantage@...<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, April 28, 2008, 9:28 AM

Then the question really becomes "Does Vantage really support more than one
active revision numbers". If I need to use rev B instead of rev A, I'm
expecting a row in partmtl to say that Model XXXX with Rev 01 has a part
YYYY with a rev B. There are four values, so you need at least four fields.
Am I correct? That was my question. I'm new to Vantage, so please help.

Thanks

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@-yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
Of
Bill Jackson
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM

Bill, It looks like, if in the Part maintenance set-up (child part) if 'Use
Rev' is checked, then the latest, approved revision will be defaulted
to-when adding this part to a BOM - I'm guessing likewise for the PartMtl
table.

--- On Sun, 4/27/08, Bill Wu <billw@libertypumps .
<mailto:billw% 40libertypumps. com> com> wrote:

From: Bill Wu <billw@libertypumps . <mailto:billw% 40libertypumps. com> com>
Subject: [Vantage] Revision Number in a BOM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> .com
Date: Sunday, April 27, 2008, 7:05 PM

Hi, all

In the PartMtl table there is a revision number field for the parent, but
there this no revision number for the child, then how does vantage decide
which rev number to use for the child? And also I couldn't find unit of
measure field in this table either. Is there another table takes care of
this?

Thanks.

Bill Wu

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