Hi Anton,
I almost missed this post. This e-groups list has changed so much
since I first used it. I finally figured out how to thread it *lol*
Thanks for your input. I think that after reading all the responses
here that we are already a bit too large for the SBS - especially if
I am projecting out 5+ years on the hardware. Ahhh the perfect
system... one that runs itself with few problems.
I will LAO be following responses to your questions regarding
requirements for a primary domain running Exchange.
Dorothy
Mid-West Spring Mfg.
Mentone, In
I almost missed this post. This e-groups list has changed so much
since I first used it. I finally figured out how to thread it *lol*
Thanks for your input. I think that after reading all the responses
here that we are already a bit too large for the SBS - especially if
I am projecting out 5+ years on the hardware. Ahhh the perfect
system... one that runs itself with few problems.
I will LAO be following responses to your questions regarding
requirements for a primary domain running Exchange.
Dorothy
Mid-West Spring Mfg.
Mentone, In
--- In vantage@egroups.com, it <it@d...> wrote:
> We also have Vantage 4 running on an NT server with SBS 4.5. The
server is
> a twin Xeon Pentium II, 512Mb RAM, mirrored hard disks etc..
>
> We're currently looking at getting everyone in the office connected
to
> e-mail and the internet. I figure I need to separate the primary
domain
> from Vantage, for both performance and security reasons.
>
> I was thinking about getting in a new server to run Vantage, and
using the
> old one to continue to be the primary domain, host Exchange, and
add more
> storage and just let it run the network basically.
>
> My questions are as follows:
>
> What are the requirements for a dedicated Vantage server?
> and the requirements for the primary domain running Exchange and
being the
> main 'storage' device?
>
> Bearing in mind our current configuration and the fact that I'm
willing to
> start from scratch (i.e. shift SBS over to the new server) if need
be...
>
> any help greatly appreciated as I'm going into this sliiiightly in
the
> dark.... ;-)
>
>
> In response to Dorothy's question regarding SBS:
>
> I've been running our SBS network for about a year now. It pretty
much runs
> itself day-to-day, I just do my backups and leave it to itself.
Vantage
> runs fine. SBS likes to think it does all the network admin for
you but
> doesn't quite manage it, so you're still using the NT admin tools
also, when
> setting up new users etc...
>
> SBS also, apparently, will allow you to run an intranet and various
other
> things, but I damaged that part of the software ;-)
> Still got to re-install that actually.....
>
> Anton Wilson,
> Systems Analyst
> Deanestor Healthcare
>
>
>
>
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:44:05 -0500
> > From: Todd Caughey <caugheyt@h...>
> > Subject: RE: Small Business Server 4.5 Delimna
> >
> > We had WIN-NT SBS 4.5 prior to implementing Vantage but added a
second
> > server running straight NT for Vantage. A lot depends on the
size of your
> > organization and number of clients. SBS, as of last year, now
allows a
> > maximum of 50 users. It also restricts you to one NT domain with
the SBS
> > machine as the primary domain controller. But there are
significant cost
> > benefits for small companies especially for MS-Exchange Server.
Speaking
> of
> > "server" I would inquire deeply at Epicor about the SBS version
of SQL
> > server being able to handle Vantage in the future running on SQL
server
> > instead of Progress. At the moment I like being able to have
Exchange on
> > one server and devote the other (Netfinity 5500, RAID-mirroring,
hot swap
> > drives, dual power supply) to Vantage. But I can see the day
coming where
> > company growth will force us over 50 users and I am not sure how
bad
> > switching from SBS to NT (probably Win-2000 by then) will be. I
suspect I
> > will need to add a seperate domain for our engineering department
to
> > segregate their CAD traffic on the network and give them their
own server.
> > I am extremely happy with the Netfinity server and will very
likely
> upgrade
> > to another when we move off of SBS. Another thought - SBS is
cheaper up
> > front but I wonder if there is any migration or upgrade pricing
to regular
> > NT. If you can't get credit for the SBS costs then in the long
run it
> will
> > be a lot more expensive.
> >
> > The 486 PCs will have to be upgraded for Vantage. I am having a
lot of
> > trouble with Pentium-75s not allowing Progress Client to be
installed. On
> > some it works and some it does not. The ones with 64MB RAM seem
to work
> > more often so memory may be the key more than CPU but I am sure
486s will
> > not work. The P-75 systems are agonizingly slow so I bought a
bunch of
> > Celeron 566 systems for $480 each (incl. Win-98 but no monitor or
CD) from
> a
> > local components supplier to replace our old PCs.
> >
> > I run several other Aps on the SBS server including the database
for ADP
> PC
> > Payroll for Windows and sharing several Access .MDB databases.
Also
> Norton
> > Antivirus Corporate Edition and Veritas BackupExec (SBS version
though).
> So
> > I don't think the SBS version is very restrictive of other
software. Deep
> > down it is just NT with a license limit. The book from Microsoft
Press
> > "Running BackOffice Small Business Server" states "you'll have a
fully
> > operation NT network" which indicates to me there are no
restrictions
> other
> > than number of users. Because of the overhead of all the SBS
server
> > products (Exchange, Proxy, SQL, etc...) if you try to run Vantage
too I
> > would get LOTS of extra memory. Our dedicated Vantage server has
512MB so
> > on a SBS system I would not go with less than 768MB or maybe two
512MB
> > modules and limp by if one ever fails.
> >
> > Good luck,
> > -Todd C.
> > Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
> > Woodbury, MN
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: D. Enderle [mailto:denderle@r...]
> > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 6:56 PM
> > To: vantage@egroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Small Business Server 4.5 Delimna
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > My name is Dorothy and I work for a small spring manufacturing job
> > shop with about 40 nodes. At present, we are still running
Classic on
> > a Novell server. Many of our machines are 486 DOS based PCs. The
rest
> > of them are running Win 95 or 98.
> >
> > We are in the process of migrating to Vantage 4.0 and in the final
> > stages of selecting our server. I have almost lived here in the
> > Vantage E-groups while researching all the possible ways to do
this
> > migration by reading what you have all posted on topics such as
RAID
> > 5, yes or no. Windows 2000, yes or no. What we have decided to do
is
> > to go with NT 4 and mirroring, as Epicor does not
> > currently "formally" support either Windows 2000 or RAID 5.
> >
> > Now that we are down to the wire in the selection process, another
> > obstacle has come up and I could use some input from anyone who
can
> > help.
> >
> > Since the decision to stay with NT 4 has been made, another
> > alternative for us has come up that I need some input on...
whether
> > or not to go with Microsoft Small Business Server 4.5. It seems to
> > have many of the features we need both now and within the next few
> > years for our type of operation.
> >
> > Does the Vantage software have any problems with MS Small Business
> > Server? I have had one PC support place not even let me get SBS
4.5
> > out of my mouth before telling me that I am heading in the wrong
> > direction and another service center who takes the postion that it
> > will run fine.
> >
> > Does purchasing SBS mean that it has to be a server of its own?
Can
> > other apps be installed on the SBS other than MS Office (i.e. 3rd
> > party software)?
> >
> > I can use any tips and suggestions anybody can provide :-)
> >
> > Thanks, Dorothy
> > Systems Administrator
> > Mid-West Spring Mfg.
> > mailto:denderle@r...
> >
> >
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