For cost, backflush will eventually account for it. If you are dispatching these OPs or finite scheduling, the delay can cause problems as they ARE open OPs/load until backflushed. (Depends on your environment: Your call.)
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From: bartsmit01 <bartsmit01@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:30 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Scheduling Misc Non-Touch time
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Rob;
"- If it is an OP within an Assembly leg within a job, when the leg is finally
reported as complete & WIP moved (or automoved) to next job level - or if a flat
job (not multi-assy legs) when the job is inventory received: Depending upon the
total job content & typical time span, that may be too long to wait for a labor
backflush. (Your call to make).Â"
-Since I am not concerned with costs of the part laying there to dry, but only want to indicate on the schedule the additional drying time, should I be worried about when it backflushes? There are no $$ involved. The schedule will account for the drying Operation's length, correct? If so, then my goal has been met. I am only backflushing to get the Operation to complete.
Just trying to keep all this straight in my head,
Thanks!
Bart
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Rob
________________________________
From: bartsmit01 <bartsmit01@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:30 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Scheduling Misc Non-Touch time
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Rob;
"- If it is an OP within an Assembly leg within a job, when the leg is finally
reported as complete & WIP moved (or automoved) to next job level - or if a flat
job (not multi-assy legs) when the job is inventory received: Depending upon the
total job content & typical time span, that may be too long to wait for a labor
backflush. (Your call to make).Â"
-Since I am not concerned with costs of the part laying there to dry, but only want to indicate on the schedule the additional drying time, should I be worried about when it backflushes? There are no $$ involved. The schedule will account for the drying Operation's length, correct? If so, then my goal has been met. I am only backflushing to get the Operation to complete.
Just trying to keep all this straight in my head,
Thanks!
Bart
--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...> wrote:
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> 'Also, I will set the Production Standard to whatever I need my drying time to be, and set it for "Fixed Hours". I am guessing this means that no matter what qty of parts I run through this operation, it will always take a "fixed number of hours". Not sure on that one, maybe anyone here knows what it stands for? '
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> - You understand it correctly.
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> 'And finally, I am setting this "Scheduling" Operation to run from Start-to-Start, hoping that it will start together with the actual "labor Operation.'
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> - Simple solution unless your feeder OPs can routinely overwhelm the capacity of your drying operation. (Vantage does not support a Min move qty - but there are other ways to handle simple non-attended washing/drying OPs where there may be physical space limits to how many can be processed per sub-lot within jobs.)
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> 'I am not sure at what point it will backflush, but I guess there is only one way of finding out.'
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> - If it is an OP within an Assembly leg within a job, when the leg is finally reported as complete & WIP moved (or automoved) to next job level - or if a flat job (not multi-assy legs) when the job is inventory received: Depending upon the total job content & typical time span, that may be too long to wait for a labor backflush. (Your call to make).ÂÂ
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> From: bartsmit01 <bartsmit01@...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:48 AM
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Scheduling Misc Non-Touch time
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> Valuable info; thanks to all of the responders!
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> The parts are air-drying out in the open, and the drying time incurs no labor or oven cost. Another complication is that each part will take a different time to dry, and drying times can be substantial.
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> I am building a separate drying operation, no costs connected to it. Connected to this operation will be a separate Resource Group with infinite Resources, again with $0 cost.
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> As was suggested in the emails before; I will make it a Back Flush Operation. Also, I will set the Production Standard to whatever I need my drying time to be, and set it for "Fixed Hours". I am guessing this means that no matter what qty of parts I run through this operation, it will always take a "fixed number of hours". Not sure on that one, maybe anyone here knows what it stands for?
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> And finally, I am setting this "Scheduling" Operation to run from Start-to-Start, hoping that it will start together with the actual "labor Operation. I am not sure at what point it will backflush, but I guess there is only one way of finding out.
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> Bart
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> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "greg_clauser" <gclauser@> wrote:
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> > I agree that move or queue time won't work well if different parts have different drying times. The added operation suggestion looks like it's the most flexible and will do what you want if it's just air drying. Just set it up so that you don't need to report (backflush).
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> > If you need it to be in a drying oven for this drying time, you should be picking up that cost from machine time. Vibratory finishing and heat treating are examples where labor is needed to load and unload only yet the process takes considerable machine time.
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> > Having said that, I see something under operation maintenance (9.05.607) called "Send Ahead Offset" that sounds like it could work here but I really don't know anything about it.
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> > Greg
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> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Steven Gotschall <sgotschall@> wrote:
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> > > What about setting up an operation after the paint operation for the drying time? That way the paint resources are available after the part has finished being painted but the job "pauses" at the paint drying operation until the paint is dry.
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> > > From: bartsmit01 <bartsmit01@>
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:22 PM
> > > Subject: [Vantage] Scheduling Misc Non-Touch time
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> > > How would one set up an operation and allow for required idle time for a part? I am already using Queue and Move Times, and Setup is not an option either. I would simply want to tell Vantage that touch time might be 1 hour on an operation, yet paint needs to dry 2 hours before the part is ready for the next operation. Ofcourse, the drying time greatly varies with each part. Is there a way to show on the schedule the exact length of this operation including the idle time?
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