We do both: on traditional jobs, NC'ed labor qty (inspect failed/DMR rejected) has no path back to a job as a labor qty.
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KanBan receipts we have learned to report full qty produced as good and immediately scrap the inventory if all pc's bad. (You're right: it doesn't like ONLY a scrap qty being reported.)
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KanBan receipts we have learned to report full qty produced as good and immediately scrap the inventory if all pc's bad. (You're right: it doesn't like ONLY a scrap qty being reported.)
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>To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 3:19 AM
>Subject: [Vantage] Re: Scrap question Vantage 8.03
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>Can I just ask if you are reporting your scrap via Labor Entry or Kanban Receipts? There is a bug in the system where if you enter a scrap quantity via Kanban Receipts without a Production Quantity the LaborDtl table is not updated.
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>--- In mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...> wrote:
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>> Charlie is right on.
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>> The only caveat to using NC labor qty's entered (to ultimately get the scrap out of job and funneled through the DMR path) is if you utilize the Job Qty Yield Process to have our job prodqty reduced as labor scrap is reported (so downstream OPs complete when reported short of original job full qty, loading adjusts for losses, job completion batch processing encounters many less exceptions that require manual review & action, etc.,).
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>> NC qty (if inspect PASSED), goes back into the job as a labor qty - but if inspect failed/DMR rejected, never hits the job as a scrap qty that would trigger the Job Qty Yield process to reduce the jobprod qty.
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>> You are also doing more data entry to go the NC to DMR reject route - but it may be of value if you are truly using your QC processing as a proactive tool to continuously improve processes.
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>> I would like to the inspectors would spend the time to clearly determine root causes and use that information (perhaps over time via Pareto analysis) to also work towards eliminating the causes of scrap.
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>> Production people - who for either NC or Scrap qty entry have to enter a Reason Code - tend to be (but this is certainly not always true) less likely to expose their own performance lapses (or others they work with or rely on to succeed).
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>> You have to make a determination on the pain vs gain reality of where you are now as a company (understanding that the equation may change as skills increase & processes improve in the future).
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>> The costs are captured in either case.
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>> Rob BÂÂ
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>> >________________________________
>> >From: CharlieSmith <CSmith@...>
>> >To: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com
>> >Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 1:19 PM
>> >Subject: RE: [Vantage] Scrap question Vantage 8.03
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>> >As said, but the other important item is notification for production issues in V8.03. By reporting scrap, a decision can be made to:
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>> >- issue additional materials and create additional parts.
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>> >- create a new job or increase an existing job to make up for the decrease in finished parts.
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>> >- ignore the scrap as production was preprogrammed for scrap.
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>> >As said, the cost for scrap stays in the job. With a non-conformance, you have the ability to remove those costs to DMR and record the “Cost of qualityâ€.
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>> >Charlie Smith
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>> >From: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Restivo
>> >Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 1:08 PM
>> >To: mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com
>> >Subject: Re: [Vantage] Scrap question Vantage 8.03
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>> >Mike, we report scrap. This drops material inventory and keeps the cost of finished goods accurate. You can see the scrap in Job Tracker, labor transactions. Also, if you print out Production Detail reports, the scrap is on there as well.
>> >Using the Non-conformance creates DMR's which puts the questionable material into QC. Good if it needs to be re addressed by QC. Scrap is garbage.
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>> >________________________________
>> >From: Mike Abell <mailto:mabell%40flexial.com <mailto:mabell%40flexial.com> >
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>> >Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 12:48 PM
>> >Subject: [Vantage] Scrap question Vantage 8.03
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>> >All,
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>> >We have went around and around trying to figure out how to calculate "on the job" reported scrap costs but have had no luck doing this in Vantage 8.03. Can someone tell me what is the purpose of claiming manufactured scrap at the end of the day? We can find no transactions that deal with anything related to scrap. I would love to find out what other companies do in this regard. We know that if we claim non corformance instead of scrap, we will get transactions and costs which we like but we would love to have the same capability just "scrapping" the stuff instead of having to do this. Again, what "benefit" if any is there for reporting actual "scrap". Please let me know! Thanks!
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>> >Mike Abell
>> >Information Technology Manager
>> >Flexial - BOA Group - Cookeville, Tennessee
>> >Office: 931.432.1853 ext 302
>> >Mobile: 615.418.3055
>> >email: mailto:MAbell%40flexial.com
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