Update BoM Operation Standards

system · May 17, 2002, 8:45am

If you run the same part on the same workcenter every time, then common
standards would work for you. But in our "Job Shop" environment, a
workcenter, such as a drill press sees a variety of different parts and each
part has its own PPH (Pieces per Hour) for that operation. A mass change
for standards would not work for us.

John Rodewald
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-----Original Message-----
From: monicag@... [mailto:monicag@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 5:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Update BoM Operation Standards

The standards that are in the master table when the BoM is first created is
saved with that BoM. Engineering is the only ones allowed to create and
change BoMs. From one order/job to the next, they may have made a change in
the BoM if part results were not what they wanted. So when Production
Control creates a new job they have to copy from Methods of Manufacturing to
get the latest BoM.

I can see a mass replace for operations, workcenter, etc but not to update
the standards to what's currently in the master. This does not make sense
like you said, so I didn't know if I've been overlooking something.

Monica
******************************************************************

>Hello,
>
>We are still on Vantage 4.
>
>I've finally discovered why all our jobs do not have the same operation
>standards as in the master table. For some reason when a BoM is created for
>a part it will pull in the current operation standard, but then it actually
>saves it with that BoM. So, subsequently every new job created for that

part

>number uses that standard and not the newly updated standards in the master
>table.
>This then is throwing off our scheduling module.
>
>I cannot seem to find any way to automatically or massively update the
>standards that are stuck in the BoMs, other than to tell Engineering that
>they need to go through every operation in every BoM and type in the

updated

>standards. And they will need to do this every time we tweak the standards.
>They will definitely wring my neck.
>
>If anyone has any suggestions or comments "please" let me know. I do not
>understand why this works this way, because all the other modules just

saves

>the id and pulls in the current info each time.
>
>Thanks ahead,
>
>Monica Greybar
>System Info Mgr
>Colorado Crystal Corp
>
>
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system · May 16, 2002, 2:38pm

Hello,

We are still on Vantage 4.

I've finally discovered why all our jobs do not have the same operation
standards as in the master table. For some reason when a BoM is created for
a part it will pull in the current operation standard, but then it actually
saves it with that BoM. So, subsequently every new job created for that part
number uses that standard and not the newly updated standards in the master
table.
This then is throwing off our scheduling module.

I cannot seem to find any way to automatically or massively update the
standards that are stuck in the BoMs, other than to tell Engineering that
they need to go through every operation in every BoM and type in the updated
standards. And they will need to do this every time we tweak the standards.
They will definitely wring my neck.

If anyone has any suggestions or comments "please" let me know. I do not
understand why this works this way, because all the other modules just saves
the id and pulls in the current info each time.

Thanks ahead,

Monica Greybar
System Info Mgr
Colorado Crystal Corp

system · May 16, 2002, 3:35pm

So you are saying even after you tweak your operation standards you have
to go back to the old BOM's and tweak those standards? That doesn't
make any sense at all.

Ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: monicag@... [mailto:monicag@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:38 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Update BoM Operation Standards

Hello,

We are still on Vantage 4.

I've finally discovered why all our jobs do not have the same operation
standards as in the master table. For some reason when a BoM is created
for
a part it will pull in the current operation standard, but then it
actually
saves it with that BoM. So, subsequently every new job created for that
part
number uses that standard and not the newly updated standards in the
master
table.
This then is throwing off our scheduling module.

I cannot seem to find any way to automatically or massively update the
standards that are stuck in the BoMs, other than to tell Engineering
that
they need to go through every operation in every BoM and type in the
updated
standards. And they will need to do this every time we tweak the
standards.
They will definitely wring my neck.

If anyone has any suggestions or comments "please" let me know. I do not
understand why this works this way, because all the other modules just
saves
the id and pulls in the current info each time.

Thanks ahead,

Monica Greybar
System Info Mgr
Colorado Crystal Corp

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system · May 16, 2002, 4:12pm

You can save your job Bom back to the part master Bom. Look under Parts,
revision. you can get bom from jobs, quotes or another part methods.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Larkin [mailto:rlarkin@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 3:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Update BoM Operation Standards

So you are saying even after you tweak your operation standards you have
to go back to the old BOM's and tweak those standards? That doesn't
make any sense at all.

Ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: monicag@... [mailto:monicag@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:38 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Update BoM Operation Standards

Hello,

We are still on Vantage 4.

I've finally discovered why all our jobs do not have the same operation
standards as in the master table. For some reason when a BoM is created
for
a part it will pull in the current operation standard, but then it
actually
saves it with that BoM. So, subsequently every new job created for that
part
number uses that standard and not the newly updated standards in the
master
table.
This then is throwing off our scheduling module.

I cannot seem to find any way to automatically or massively update the
standards that are stuck in the BoMs, other than to tell Engineering
that
they need to go through every operation in every BoM and type in the
updated
standards. And they will need to do this every time we tweak the
standards.
They will definitely wring my neck.

If anyone has any suggestions or comments "please" let me know. I do not
understand why this works this way, because all the other modules just
saves
the id and pulls in the current info each time.

Thanks ahead,

Monica Greybar
System Info Mgr
Colorado Crystal Corp

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system · May 16, 2002, 6:49pm

The standards that are in the master table when the BoM is first created is
saved with that BoM. Engineering is the only ones allowed to create and
change BoMs. From one order/job to the next, they may have made a change in
the BoM if part results were not what they wanted. So when Production
Control creates a new job they have to copy from Methods of Manufacturing to
get the latest BoM.

I can see a mass replace for operations, workcenter, etc but not to update
the standards to what's currently in the master. This does not make sense
like you said, so I didn't know if I've been overlooking something.

Monica
******************************************************************

>Hello,
>
>We are still on Vantage 4.
>
>I've finally discovered why all our jobs do not have the same operation
>standards as in the master table. For some reason when a BoM is created for
>a part it will pull in the current operation standard, but then it actually
>saves it with that BoM. So, subsequently every new job created for that part
>number uses that standard and not the newly updated standards in the master
>table.
>This then is throwing off our scheduling module.
>
>I cannot seem to find any way to automatically or massively update the
>standards that are stuck in the BoMs, other than to tell Engineering that
>they need to go through every operation in every BoM and type in the updated
>standards. And they will need to do this every time we tweak the standards.
>They will definitely wring my neck.
>
>If anyone has any suggestions or comments "please" let me know. I do not
>understand why this works this way, because all the other modules just saves
>the id and pulls in the current info each time.
>
>Thanks ahead,
>
>Monica Greybar
>System Info Mgr
>Colorado Crystal Corp
>
>
>
>Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have