Vantage creating inconsistent job numbers

system · July 18, 2010, 6:13pm

I can confirm that the "Create Jobs" button and "Order Job Wizard" method produce inconsistent results i.e. one extra padded zero. I have had to restrict my users to the "Create Jobs" button method.

Dele

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "eivantage" <KYLEJ@...> wrote:
>
> You are not correct on one point: While the padding for our config is set up to be four, the quick ID either has a left-hand (sales order number) section of six characters or seven characters; not consistent AND not equal to the config setting of four.
>
> I'm trying to avoid talking about the method of creating jobs manually or as "next job" so as not to confuse. It is not the point here.
>
> The issue is the consistency (or lack of consistency). You are not addressing that lack of consisteny in your replies. Please, try creating a job from a sales order using the two methods... first use the button, then use the order job wizard. You should see the difference in the padding, and it shouldn't match what you have configured for your job number generation length, unless it is by coincidence. Oops, I forgot... ONE of the two results won't match what you have configured because they don't yield the same result!
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "CharlieSmith" <CSmith@> wrote:
> >
> > The Create Jobs button and the Order Job Wizard are going to use the
> > quick job ID setting (Next Job or Order Release). The Job number (next
> > Job Number or the Order portion of the job ID) will be padded to the
> > number in the company config.
> >
> > The Quick Job Entry will use the next Job number padded to the length in
> > the company config as the default job ID.
> >
> >
> >
> > Charlie Smith
> >
> > Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC
> >
> > www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
> > www.2WTech.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of eivantage
> > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 4:39 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: vantage creating inconsistent job numbers...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The length of the job ID is only controllable for a job number that uses
> > the "next" available job number. It is not configureable for a "quick
> > job," which is what the "create jobs" button and the order job wizard
> > create (within sales order entry).
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > "CharlieSmith" <CSmith@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The reason for this is that the job number is not really a number but
> > an
> > > alpha-numeric. Job ID's sort that way. The length of the Job ID is in
> > > the company config.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlie Smith
> > >
> > > Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC
> > >
> > > www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
> > > www.2WTech.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

system · July 16, 2010, 5:34pm

Another issue with this is when you understand what the job number means... the first section on the left is the sales order number, the second section is the sales order line number, and the last section is the release number. That makes the job number "002847-1-1" the job for order 2847, line 1, release 1. In Vantage 6, if you know the order and line number, you can easily figure out the job number. In Vantage 8, you are going to be guessing. Not a huge deal, but not right, nonetheless.

I like to explain to people who think little things are not a big deal... our inspection department and our planning department are both like assembly lines. What happens when you add one or two seconds on to a process in that assembly line? Well, it depends on how long the cycle time was, but you could essentially cut your production in half. These "little things" are not just production killers, but they are morale killers, too. Think about being stuck using a tedious system day in and day out. Think about it if you were smart enough to know it didn't have to be that way. Makes for a long day, every day.

system · July 16, 2010, 5:56pm

The reason for this is that the job number is not really a number but an
alpha-numeric. Job ID's sort that way. The length of the Job ID is in
the company config.

Charlie Smith

Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC

www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
www.2WTech.com

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of eivantage
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 5:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] vantage creating inconsistent job numbers...

There are two ways to let vantage autocreate a job number in vantage
sales order entry: use the "create jobs" button or use "order job
wizard" from the "actions" menu item. Has anyone else noticed that, if
you use the button, you get a job number like "0002847-1-1" and when you
use the wizard you get a job number like "002847-1-1"? Note the extra
preceding zero?

Is there a reason for this?

I have some code that is paying attention to the 6 characters before the
first dash, which is how Vantage 6 builds a job number. Yes, i can build
code to not care, but what about sorting job numbers where some contain
seven and some contain six?

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system · July 16, 2010, 6:03pm

Why would you be guessing in 8.0, 8.03, 9.x etc? The action is the same
as V6. If you auto assign the job ID as the Order-Line-Release in the
company config.

Charlie Smith

Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC

www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
www.2WTech.com

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of eivantage
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 5:33 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: vantage creating inconsistent job numbers...

Another issue with this is when you understand what the job number
means... the first section on the left is the sales order number, the
second section is the sales order line number, and the last section is
the release number. That makes the job number "002847-1-1" the job for
order 2847, line 1, release 1. In Vantage 6, if you know the order and
line number, you can easily figure out the job number. In Vantage 8, you
are going to be guessing. Not a huge deal, but not right, nonetheless.

I like to explain to people who think little things are not a big
deal... our inspection department and our planning department are both
like assembly lines. What happens when you add one or two seconds on to
a process in that assembly line? Well, it depends on how long the cycle
time was, but you could essentially cut your production in half. These
"little things" are not just production killers, but they are morale
killers, too. Think about being stuck using a tedious system day in and
day out. Think about it if you were smart enough to know it didn't have
to be that way. Makes for a long day, every day.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · July 17, 2010, 4:43pm

If I understand you, there is a radio button in the company config where you can choose to have a "quick job" take the next available job number or take the order/release type of job number like my post discusses.

There are no other options there (that I see as being relevant).

My complaint says that the two different methods available to us for creating this type of job number yield different results. The user would have to guess whether the first section of the job number contains six characters or whether it contains seven. Sorting job numbers that are varied like this is an issue as well.

Vantage 6 only had the Order Job Wizard, not the "Create Jobs" button as Vantage 8 has. It therefore is not the same.

system · July 17, 2010, 4:53pm

The length of the job ID is only controllable for a job number that uses the "next" available job number. It is not configureable for a "quick job," which is what the "create jobs" button and the order job wizard create (within sales order entry).

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "CharlieSmith" <CSmith@...> wrote:
>
> The reason for this is that the job number is not really a number but an
> alpha-numeric. Job ID's sort that way. The length of the Job ID is in
> the company config.
>
>
>
> Charlie Smith
>
> Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC
>
> www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
> www.2WTech.com

system · July 17, 2010, 6:02pm

The Create Jobs button is just an automation of job number creation
which is the same as the order job wizard job creation. They both use
the same process. You just didn't have the button in V6.

You have 3 basic options. System created job based on
order/line/release, system created job based on next job id (sequential
padded to the size in the company config) and self-identified job ID
which can be anything you want. Many companies prefix the job ID for
different reasons. Others remove the line and release because the job
relates to a single line - single release order. And many other
combinations are done. One of mine uses the consecutive job number with
an STK prefix for the MTS jobs.

Just put together a business process that makes sense to your
organization and use it.

Charlie Smith

Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC

www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
www.2WTech.com

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of eivantage
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 4:34 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: vantage creating inconsistent job numbers...

If I understand you, there is a radio button in the company config where
you can choose to have a "quick job" take the next available job number
or take the order/release type of job number like my post discusses.

There are no other options there (that I see as being relevant).

My complaint says that the two different methods available to us for
creating this type of job number yield different results. The user would
have to guess whether the first section of the job number contains six
characters or whether it contains seven. Sorting job numbers that are
varied like this is an issue as well.

Vantage 6 only had the Order Job Wizard, not the "Create Jobs" button as
Vantage 8 has. It therefore is not the same.

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system · July 17, 2010, 6:28pm

The Create Jobs button and the Order Job Wizard are going to use the
quick job ID setting (Next Job or Order Release). The Job number (next
Job Number or the Order portion of the job ID) will be padded to the
number in the company config.

The Quick Job Entry will use the next Job number padded to the length in
the company config as the default job ID.

Charlie Smith

Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC

www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
www.2WTech.com

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of eivantage
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 4:39 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: vantage creating inconsistent job numbers...

The length of the job ID is only controllable for a job number that uses
the "next" available job number. It is not configureable for a "quick
job," which is what the "create jobs" button and the order job wizard
create (within sales order entry).

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"CharlieSmith" <CSmith@...> wrote:

>
> The reason for this is that the job number is not really a number but

an

> alpha-numeric. Job ID's sort that way. The length of the Job ID is in
> the company config.
>
>
>
> Charlie Smith
>
> Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC
>
> www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
> www.2WTech.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · July 17, 2010, 7:14pm

You are not correct on one point: While the padding for our config is set up to be four, the quick ID either has a left-hand (sales order number) section of six characters or seven characters; not consistent AND not equal to the config setting of four.

I'm trying to avoid talking about the method of creating jobs manually or as "next job" so as not to confuse. It is not the point here.

The issue is the consistency (or lack of consistency). You are not addressing that lack of consisteny in your replies. Please, try creating a job from a sales order using the two methods... first use the button, then use the order job wizard. You should see the difference in the padding, and it shouldn't match what you have configured for your job number generation length, unless it is by coincidence. Oops, I forgot... ONE of the two results won't match what you have configured because they don't yield the same result!

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "CharlieSmith" <CSmith@...> wrote:
>
> The Create Jobs button and the Order Job Wizard are going to use the
> quick job ID setting (Next Job or Order Release). The Job number (next
> Job Number or the Order portion of the job ID) will be padded to the
> number in the company config.
>
> The Quick Job Entry will use the next Job number padded to the length in
> the company config as the default job ID.
>
>
>
> Charlie Smith
>
> Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC
>
> www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
> www.2WTech.com
>
>
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of eivantage
> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 4:39 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: vantage creating inconsistent job numbers...
>
>
>
>
>
> The length of the job ID is only controllable for a job number that uses
> the "next" available job number. It is not configureable for a "quick
> job," which is what the "create jobs" button and the order job wizard
> create (within sales order entry).
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "CharlieSmith" <CSmith@> wrote:
> >
> > The reason for this is that the job number is not really a number but
> an
> > alpha-numeric. Job ID's sort that way. The length of the Job ID is in
> > the company config.
> >
> >
> >
> > Charlie Smith
> >
> > Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC
> >
> > www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
> > www.2WTech.com
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

system · July 17, 2010, 9:35pm

What version/release are you on? (This padding behavior seems to change willy-nilly release to release.)

What is it about your business process driving you to create jobs in multiple ways? (I think you need to ask yourself that &, since no system is a perfect fit - and Vantage can't possibly be as it tries to be all things - not always well - to all potential customers - you're going to have to make some concessions and play by its paradigms.)

Bar coding, customizations & BPMs can take the pain out of the people impact from inconsistent padding & alphanumeric job numbers.

Slow down & think it thru.

Rob

--- Original Message ---
From:"eivantage" <KYLEJ@...>
Sent:Sat 7/17/10 7:14 pm
To:vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subj:[Vantage] Re: vantage creating inconsistent job numbers...

You are not correct on one point: While the padding for our config is set up to be four, the quick ID either has a left-hand (sales order number) section of six characters or seven characters; not consistent AND not equal to the config setting of four.

I'm trying to avoid talking about the method of creating jobs manually or as "next job" so as not to confuse. It is not the point here.

The issue is the consistency (or lack of consistency). You are not addressing that lack of consisteny in your replies. Please, try creating a job from a sales order using the two methods... first use the button, then use the order job wizard. You should see the difference in the padding, and it shouldn't match what you have configured for your job number generation length, unless it is by coincidence. Oops, I forgot... ONE of the two results won't match what you have configured because they don't yield the same result!

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "CharlieSmith" <CSmith@...> wrote:
>
> The Create Jobs button and the Order Job Wizard are going to use the
> quick job ID setting (Next Job or Order Release). The Job number (next
> Job Number or the Order portion of the job ID) will be padded to the
> number in the company config.
>
> The Quick Job Entry will use the next Job number padded to the length in
> the company config as the default job ID.
>
>
>
> Charlie Smith
>
> Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC
>
> www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
> www.2WTech.com
>
>
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of eivantage
> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 4:39 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: vantage creating inconsistent job numbers...
>
>
>
>
>
> The length of the job ID is only controllable for a job number that uses
> the "next" available job number. It is not configureable for a "quick
> job," which is what the "create jobs" button and the order job wizard
> create (within sales order entry).
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "CharlieSmith" <CSmith@> wrote:
> >
> > The reason for this is that the job number is not really a number but
> an
> > alpha-numeric. Job ID's sort that way. The length of the Job ID is in
> > the company config.
> >
> >
> >
> > Charlie Smith
> >
> > Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC
> >
> > www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
> > www.2WTech.com
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

system · July 18, 2010, 12:23pm

Vantage 8.03.409a.

I am not the one deciding to create jobs in multiple ways... Vantage 8 has two ways within the same interface that yield different results. When more than one person uses an interface, it is tough to ensure that only one method will be used.

Please, don't answer my question about Vantage inconsistencies with a question about how or why my company does things the way it does. My original question was, "Is there a reason?"

Vantage has been horribly frustrating, and it isn't less frustrating when someone tells me to slow down and think it through. What does that mean in regards to my original question?

I have removed the button from the interface, which is the method that was the most obvious for the user but, unfortunately, yields the result not consistent with Vantage 6. Since I am not certain that I could remove the order job wizard from the menu, I guess it is lucky the button was the screwed up method.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, robertb_versa@... wrote:
>
> What version/release are you on? (This padding behavior seems to change willy-nilly release to release.)
>
> What is it about your business process driving you to create jobs in multiple ways? (I think you need to ask yourself that &, since no system is a perfect fit - and Vantage can't possibly be as it tries to be all things - not always well - to all potential customers - you're going to have to make some concessions and play by its paradigms.)
>
> Bar coding, customizations & BPMs can take the pain out of the people impact from inconsistent padding & alphanumeric job numbers.
>
> Slow down & think it thru.
>
> Rob
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From:"eivantage" <KYLEJ@...>
> Sent:Sat 7/17/10 7:14 pm
> To:vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subj:[Vantage] Re: vantage creating inconsistent job numbers...
>
> You are not correct on one point: While the padding for our config is set up to be four, the quick ID either has a left-hand (sales order number) section of six characters or seven characters; not consistent AND not equal to the config setting of four.
>
> I'm trying to avoid talking about the method of creating jobs manually or as "next job" so as not to confuse. It is not the point here.
>
> The issue is the consistency (or lack of consistency). You are not addressing that lack of consisteny in your replies. Please, try creating a job from a sales order using the two methods... first use the button, then use the order job wizard. You should see the difference in the padding, and it shouldn't match what you have configured for your job number generation length, unless it is by coincidence. Oops, I forgot... ONE of the two results won't match what you have configured because they don't yield the same result!
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "CharlieSmith" <CSmith@> wrote:
> >
> > The Create Jobs button and the Order Job Wizard are going to use the
> > quick job ID setting (Next Job or Order Release). The Job number (next
> > Job Number or the Order portion of the job ID) will be padded to the
> > number in the company config.
> >
> > The Quick Job Entry will use the next Job number padded to the length in
> > the company config as the default job ID.
> >
> >
> >
> > Charlie Smith
> >
> > Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC
> >
> > www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
> > www.2WTech.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of eivantage
> > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 4:39 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: vantage creating inconsistent job numbers...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The length of the job ID is only controllable for a job number that uses
> > the "next" available job number. It is not configureable for a "quick
> > job," which is what the "create jobs" button and the order job wizard
> > create (within sales order entry).
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > "CharlieSmith" <CSmith@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The reason for this is that the job number is not really a number but
> > an
> > > alpha-numeric. Job ID's sort that way. The length of the Job ID is in
> > > the company config.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlie Smith
> > >
> > > Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC
> > >
> > > www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
> > > www.2WTech.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

system · July 18, 2010, 12:49pm

1st: My reply last night was my 1st on this thread you started (and has gone on so long I no longer had your original post - so I asked some questions).

Displace your anger @ Epicor providing shoddy support @ others besides those of us in the group that made an effort (on our own time) to perhaps help.

(I seethe about Vantage & Epicor at times as well: I get it.)

We upgraded to 409a 2 mo's ago and encountered the same issue - so I feel your pain. I was asking about your processes (& suggesting @ same time to step back & examine them for wants, or people issue bandaids versus needs) as not all solutions are technical. (People executing efficient processes make a company succeed - not ERP systems: Go ask GM.)

We were fortunate. We didn't have to disable quick jobs as our shop planners never used them to begin with - and aren't tempted to do so now (& haven't: not even once).

Now that I have a better understanding, what you did is similar to what I would suggest: I would have used BO method security to completely prevent quick job specific methods from executing (as it is then easier to re-enable versus form changes that can be forgotten over time).

Someday, you may find a use for quick jobs (or not).

Glad you found a solution that is good enough for now.

Rob Brown

--- Original Message ---
From:"eivantage" <KYLEJ@...>
Sent:Sun 7/18/10 12:07 pm
To:vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subj:[Vantage] Re: vantage creating inconsistent job numbers...

All right, now you are telling ME to slow down and think it through? How many replies did you write before you stopped and considered what the issue really was?

It is not me deciding to create jobs in multiple ways, it is the fact that Vantage has offered two ways within the same interface to create jobs. And, if there are two ways and several people using the interface, it is likely that some will use one way and some will use the other way.

Now, how about you go back to my original post and look at the question asked?

I would like to know if there is a reason for the two different results in Vantage 8.03.409a. I would not like to have my question about Vantage inconsistencies answered by a question about how or why we are doing things the way we are.

I have removed the button from the interface. Fortunately the order job wizard, which I don't know if I can remove since it is in a menu, yields a job number that matches what Vantage 6 currently outputs for us.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, robertb_versa@... wrote:
>
> What version/release are you on? (This padding behavior seems to change willy-nilly release to release.)
>
> What is it about your business process driving you to create jobs in multiple ways? (I think you need to ask yourself that &, since no system is a perfect fit - and Vantage can't possibly be as it tries to be all things - not always well - to all potential customers - you're going to have to make some concessions and play by its paradigms.)
>
> Bar coding, customizations & BPMs can take the pain out of the people impact from inconsistent padding & alphanumeric job numbers.
>
> Slow down & think it thru.
>
> Rob
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From:"eivantage" <KYLEJ@...>
> Sent:Sat 7/17/10 7:14 pm
> To:vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subj:[Vantage] Re: vantage creating inconsistent job numbers...
>
> You are not correct on one point: While the padding for our config is set up to be four, the quick ID either has a left-hand (sales order number) section of six characters or seven characters; not consistent AND not equal to the config setting of four.
>
> I'm trying to avoid talking about the method of creating jobs manually or as "next job" so as not to confuse. It is not the point here.
>
> The issue is the consistency (or lack of consistency). You are not addressing that lack of consisteny in your replies. Please, try creating a job from a sales order using the two methods... first use the button, then use the order job wizard. You should see the difference in the padding, and it shouldn't match what you have configured for your job number generation length, unless it is by coincidence. Oops, I forgot... ONE of the two results won't match what you have configured because they don't yield the same result!
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "CharlieSmith" <CSmith@> wrote:
> >
> > The Create Jobs button and the Order Job Wizard are going to use the
> > quick job ID setting (Next Job or Order Release). The Job number (next
> > Job Number or

system · July 18, 2010, 1:37pm

Rob, I realized that MINUTES after I posted the reply... and I deleted it. I sincerely apologize that you saw it. Not sure how...

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, robertb_versa@... wrote:
>
> 1st: My reply last night was my 1st on this thread you started (and has gone on so long I no longer had your original post - so I asked some questions).
>
> Displace your anger @ Epicor providing shoddy support @ others besides those of us in the group that made an effort (on our own time) to perhaps help.
>
> (I seethe about Vantage & Epicor at times as well: I get it.)
>
> We upgraded to 409a 2 mo's ago and encountered the same issue - so I feel your pain. I was asking about your processes (& suggesting @ same time to step back & examine them for wants, or people issue bandaids versus needs) as not all solutions are technical. (People executing efficient processes make a company succeed - not ERP systems: Go ask GM.)
>
> We were fortunate. We didn't have to disable quick jobs as our shop planners never used them to begin with - and aren't tempted to do so now (& haven't: not even once).
>
> Now that I have a better understanding, what you did is similar to what I would suggest: I would have used BO method security to completely prevent quick job specific methods from executing (as it is then easier to re-enable versus form changes that can be forgotten over time).
>
> Someday, you may find a use for quick jobs (or not).
>
> Glad you found a solution that is good enough for now.
>
> Rob Brown
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From:"eivantage" <KYLEJ@...>
> Sent:Sun 7/18/10 12:07 pm
> To:vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subj:[Vantage] Re: vantage creating inconsistent job numbers...
>
> All right, now you are telling ME to slow down and think it through? How many replies did you write before you stopped and considered what the issue really was?
>
> It is not me deciding to create jobs in multiple ways, it is the fact that Vantage has offered two ways within the same interface to create jobs. And, if there are two ways and several people using the interface, it is likely that some will use one way and some will use the other way.
>
> Now, how about you go back to my original post and look at the question asked?
>
> I would like to know if there is a reason for the two different results in Vantage 8.03.409a. I would not like to have my question about Vantage inconsistencies answered by a question about how or why we are doing things the way we are.
>
> I have removed the button from the interface. Fortunately the order job wizard, which I don't know if I can remove since it is in a menu, yields a job number that matches what Vantage 6 currently outputs for us.
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, robertb_versa@ wrote:
> >
> > What version/release are you on? (This padding behavior seems to change willy-nilly release to release.)
> >
> > What is it about your business process driving you to create jobs in multiple ways? (I think you need to ask yourself that &, since no system is a perfect fit - and Vantage can't possibly be as it tries to be all things - not always well - to all potential customers - you're going to have to make some concessions and play by its paradigms.)
> >
> > Bar coding, customizations & BPMs can take the pain out of the people impact from inconsistent padding & alphanumeric job numbers.
> >
> > Slow down & think it thru.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > --- Original Message ---
> > From:"eivantage" <KYLEJ@>
> > Sent:Sat 7/17/10 7:14 pm
> > To:vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subj:[Vantage] Re: vantage creating inconsistent job numbers...
> >
> > You are not correct on one point: While the padding for our config is set up to be four, the quick ID either has a left-hand (sales order number) section of six characters or seven characters; not consistent AND not equal to the config setting of four.
> >
> > I'm trying to avoid talking about the method of creating jobs manually or as "next job" so as not to confuse. It is not the point here.
> >
> > The issue is the consistency (or lack of consistency). You are not addressing that lack of consisteny in your replies. Please, try creating a job from a sales order using the two methods... first use the button, then use the order job wizard. You should see the difference in the padding, and it shouldn't match what you have configured for your job number generation length, unless it is by coincidence. Oops, I forgot... ONE of the two results won't match what you have configured because they don't yield the same result!
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "CharlieSmith" <CSmith@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The Create Jobs button and the Order Job Wizard are going to use the
> > > quick job ID setting (Next Job or Order Release). The Job number (next
> > > Job Number or
>